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OK I see that some of you already got the device. My wife wants to replace her Nokia N80 for the white version. Now I previously had an Orange SPV M3100 (HTC Hermes) & had no end of problems with that sold it & now happily using an Asus P525. So how about the the Trinity.
-Is it stable?
-Does A2DP & AVCRP work properly as in having proper stereo output?
-Does the A2DP reconnect automatically to WMP after receiving a call (the -Hermes never did, had to restart everything).
-How's wifi reception (the Hermes was crap). She uses wifi a lot as we have 250mins free BTOpenzone minutes a month.
-I looked at the HTC website but it seems they do not supply firmware upgrade support for their devices. So where can you get them officially?
Fill me in guys. Thanks
Is it stable?
I don't feel it's very stable when coming to the phone part. If I've used the device for a while, I often have to hard-reboot it for the phone part to work again(it just stands "calling", and nothing happends)
-How's wifi reception (the Hermes was crap). She uses wifi a lot as we have 250mins free BTOpenzone minutes a month.
The WiFI reception on my phone is very good. I've actually managed to connect to hot-spots which my laptop didn't manage to connect... *me like*
-I looked at the HTC website but it seems they do not supply firmware upgrade support for their devices. So where can you get them officially?
In Norway you get the official firmware updates/rom from the local distributor.(Dangaard and Brightpoint)
What about other features, like those related to the cameras?
How is visiophony with the front camera?
How is the picture quality of the back camera? Most of the reviews are made with good light conditions. What about the pictures in low light condition?
Movies? Are they correct?
Battery life with that 400 MHz processor compared to Prophet?
Could anyone post pictures/movies made with Trinity?
The wifes P3600 arrived this morning. Been playing with it all for a while & here's my 1st impressions.
Good
Looks nice & shiny
Small size
Excellent loud clear external speaker
Nice & responsive
Phone reception & general operation is fine
3G works well
Bad
Shiny surface = fingerprint magnet
MS bluetooth stack, better than before but still lacking
A2DP implementation. Not real stereo, only mono out from each channel
Also when disconnectd from WMP it doesn't auto reconnect.
In summary if you used previous HTC devices before then you'll be familiar with this one. When used as a pda & phone it does most things as expected, the menus & general operation are same as before.
But its going back, one of the main reasons being the crap A2DP. Wifey uses music player a lot on her 1 hour daily commute & the fact that sound quality is rubbish (low volume & no stereo) & no option to connect a wired headphones as theres no headphone jack. The same problem as the Hermes in that once disconnected from WMP it doesn't auto reconnect. Have to go into Bluetooth manger to re establish the connection.
Also comparing it to my Asus P525 other than the smaller size, 3G, louder external speaker & looks a bit nicer, in all other depts the Asus is as good & some areas much much better.
Well, my opinion is that the camera sucks... Was on a party this weekend _with_ good lighting, all the picutures came out blurry *argh* (could be it was too much light tough?...)
The videotelephony-part on the other hands is quite good(for videotelephone, NOT for taking still-pictures).
And I also don't like the 2-7 sec. delay when you try to call someone... *argh*
neofix said:
Well, my opinion is that the camera sucks... Was on a party this weekend _with_ good lighting, all the picutures came out blurry *argh* (could be it was too much light tough?...)
The videotelephony-part on the other hands is quite good(for videotelephone, NOT for taking still-pictures).
And I also don't like the 2-7 sec. delay when you try to call someone... *argh*
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2 to 7 second delay? It sounds like a ROM upgrade will probably be coming to fix these issues...same story different cover.
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A2DP implementation. Not real stereo, only mono out from each channel
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This sounds new to me. I am using a SonyEricsson stereo BT thingy with my Qtek S200 (with A2DP hack) and as far as I can hear the output is stereo not mono from each channel.
I love mine compared to my Exec! Quicker and sleeker.
And got my 4GB miniSD this morning and it works fine
anonimo said:
This sounds new to me. I am using a SonyEricsson stereo BT thingy with my Qtek S200 (with A2DP hack) and as far as I can hear the output is stereo not mono from each channel.
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Yes, proper stereo could be possible with a registry hack but how many end users are to know that? Only the hardcore users frequent forums such as this & get to learn a lot about their devices. Assuming it can be done then why didn't HTC enable it in the first place? Mention a registry hack to the vast majority of users out there & I'm pretty sure you'll be met with a lot of blank expressions & ??????
With the aesthetic design of the trinity I think HTC are trying to market it to more mainstream audience, thats why my wife likes the look of it, but in all honesty how many of these new users will know how to exploit the device to the full. My wife never visits these forums & even her 8 month old Nokia N80 is still out of the box stock.
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Yes, proper stereo could be possible with a registry hack but how many end users are to know that?
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I thought the registry hack was only to enable A2DP on those devices where the manufacturer had disabled it and the end result of a hacked S200 would be the same of a standard TyTn or a standard P3600... Are you sure the P3600 output is not stereo?
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I thought the registry hack was only to enable A2DP on those devices where the manufacturer had disabled it and the end result of a hacked S200 would be the same of a standard TyTn or a standard P3600... Are you sure the P3600 output is not stereo?
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Pretty sure its not stereo, either that or the stereo separation is really poor because it sounded like mon to me. In saying that though when I paired my iTech R35 stereo bluetooth clip with it there was the option to tick headset mode & stereo mode but its too late now I've sent it back today.
The only dislike on my new P3600 is the position of penon the bottom! . I've used many pda, and the pen was on top! But for the rest I love it!!!!
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Pretty sure its not stereo, either that or the stereo separation is really poor because it sounded like mon to me. In saying that though when I paired my iTech R35 stereo bluetooth clip with it there was the option to tick headset mode & stereo mode but its too late now I've sent it back today.
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You are right the stereo bluetooth output is not stereo. This is ridiculous. I hope this can be fixed with some registry hacking otherwise HTC has really screwed this device big time.
One more thing, the smooth black coating is comming of from the bottom where the stylus is placed.... That's s REAL bad thing, since this will eventually tear up more and more of the coating... And I've only had it for two weeks
default A2DP registry settings for Trinity is:
UseJointStereo = 1
please change to:
UseJointStereo = 0
that will fix the "mono sound" issue.
Question
So far what i read, the software for this phone 3600 is not fully stable,
Camera still delay..
Some bugs
additional question following,
Delay of standard programs opening?
How about the sounds quality (loudness and clearness) is it very good?
which one is really better if compare 3600 and 3300(GPS enabled), which should i buy... -_-"
Thank you in advance..
fantastic device
Got my Trinity since yesterday. I had several phones and pda before (Dell Axim x51v was the last one) but the Trinity is the best until now. small enough, fast enough... if I only could get MMS to work for vodafone germany...
saminegm said:
Got my Trinity since yesterday. I had several phones and pda before (Dell Axim x51v was the last one) but the Trinity is the best until now. small enough, fast enough... if I only could get MMS to work for vodafone germany...
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Did you try these (manual entry and cab for Vodafone):
https://shop.dangaard.de/files/Qtek/Qtek.htm
Tytn and Trinity 3G/UMTS should be the same
So far...the trinity is my new favorite thing..very stable (have had to soft reset twice to get the Wifi signal running after a sync while wifi was on) and lots of fun. Phone is great and signal with one bar or less is still usable - where my old motorola was no good with a weak signal...and i can now make and take calls from my office - where previously there was no chance with the motorola. This device does everything I bought it for -combine my PDA and phone into one device...
where to buy
DaveUK said:
I love mine compared to my Exec! Quicker and sleeker.
And got my 4GB miniSD this morning and it works fine
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Can you please said where did you buy the miniSD? Thanks
Hi guys,
I am wondering about the happiness of the union X7500 - Jabra 8010. Sometimes people I talk to tell me that they barely understand me because they hear disruptions/discontinuance in a voice coming from my side. This almost never happens for voice coming from other party. I am not saying the "couple" is responsible for this but it gets me thinking... What could be the reason for this? Why voice is not corrupted in both direction (up&downlinK)? Ohh, I have the BT configured to Stereo, but I think there is no difference in case of mono…
Is there any way I could test the voice quality coming from/to Jabra? Resco Audio Recorder? Anything else….?
jabra 8010 promblem with athena
i have the same problem.
This problem not only happens with my Jabra BT8010, but also with my other bluetooth headset i.Tech Clip D.
I have the same problem too, but not always happen this. Sometimes the quality is good, sometimes bad. If the headset properties on Athena is hands free the outcoming voice is clear. If you're connecting the Jabra with Athena and there aren't any stereo icon on taskbar coming up, the problem dont ocure.
I have WM5 on athena. Perhaps WM6 will solve this bug (Or a new Jabra update).
I tried it with another phones and it worked good.
Hi!
I have contacted HTC support for this and just received their reply. Man, they are "really quick" - 2.5hours - for the bullsh#!#t answer they provided...
Her is the reply:
"Good morning
We are very sorry to hear you are having problems with Bluetooth. You may find that Windows Mobile 6 may cure this problem when it is released for your device on the HTC eClub.
For now we would recommend using a compatible recommended Bluetooth headset as below:
http://www.expansys.com/htc/p_htc_item.aspx?i=150737
Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html
"
I shall install Resco Audio Rec and try to record one of these problematic calls. Maybe it will make a difference presenting direct "evidence"...
Any other ideas?
I've got an X7501 Advantage with WM6 on it. I'll be getting the BT8010 in a week or so. I could test this out if that would help.
I have X7500 WM6 Jabra BT8010.
It just disconnects at random times. I will go back to my Jabra BT500 and use the BT8010 only when I want stereo music or other audio output.
Hopefully Jabra will take a look at this problem.
Bluetooth priority patch?
Just curious, have you guys tried installing the Bluetooth priority patch?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=262119
I believe it increases the priority given CPU wise for the bluetooth audio. It actually resolved a problem I was having with my BT8010 and the Universal, the audio during a call was a little choppy and callers reported that my voice was frequently dropping out no matter how close the device and headset were. After downloading and installing the registry edit in the 1st post of the thread I linked to above, problem is gone.
Please let me know if this works, I'm considering purchasing an Advantage and would want to know if it works with my Jabra BT8010.
Thanks,
Galt
hi guys
i've got the same problem.
but not only when using my jabra bt250v
but also when using the wired headset, or no headset at all
so imho this is not a bluetooth related problem
after installing wm6 the problem didn't improve at all.
HTC produce the best WM devices out there
and the Advantage is their flagship device.
These problems with the most basic function shouldn't happen.
And HTC's answer is just poor!
I'm sure they know about this problem and also know that WM6 doen't fix it
(or at least not the ROMs available until today).
I'm still waiting for another RadioROM to fix this fault.
hi galt,
Thanks for your post. I have manually entered the fix form your link:
"Make a new Dword value and name is Priority256 and then for the DWORD Data value make that 60 save and reboot. Presto no more lag, cuts or audio drop outs." since the attached reg file did not have the contents the author has been talking about. I made this reg file with a fix and would like to share with you...
I will test it and let you know how it goes...
Uros
Could someone monitor battery consumption with this fix?
There was a similar fix with A2DP and the current consumption was crazy, so I uninstalled it...
Good news so far
1. With the fix installed and the X7500 "at rest", there is no additional current drain = 90 mA.
2. With BT on playing music throught the Jabra BT8010 the current drain is about normal = 320 mA.
3. With BT off, the current drain returns to normal "at rest" current of 90 mA. With A2DPfix the current drain remainded at 400+ mA.
Good news so far!
NOW: the remaining question: Does it solve the problem of dropout?
I'll try it for a day or so and report back.
GREAT news so far
After 4 hours of listening to music (X7500 WM6 BT8010) with Priority256 installed, I can report:
1. One BT dropout that lasted less than 1 second!
2. Normal battery drain!
I have not used the phone enough to know if there will be and BT disconnects or voice issues, but I will report back on these issues soon.
Looks very good at this point.
So far so good
Hi,
It worked for me as well . Almost completely gone, except some tiny/small discontinuance from time to time... GREAT!
I've been using this fix for 3 days and so far having no complain from the people I talked to. Good fix indeed.
Thanks for posting the zip file, makes installation painless. Testing right now!
Well, so far so good. I did experience 2 or 3 drop outs during music play, but I can not contribute them to the device as I was in my office and an ambulance put on their sirens, somehow there must of been some interference.
The best thing about music play was that when the player switched to each successive song, there used to be an audible click or bump, that just isn't there now!
Did anyone ever confirm if this fixes outgoing audio problems? I've had several callers complain of noise/breakups coming from me, when they sounded normal. I know it wasn't a signal issue since this happens when the Advantage is next to me, and I've used my 8010 from 50 feet away through multiple cube walls plus one real wall...
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Did anyone ever confirm if this fixes outgoing audio problems? I've had several callers complain of noise/breakups coming from me, when they sounded normal. I know it wasn't a signal issue since this happens when the Advantage is next to me, and I've used my 8010 from 50 feet away through multiple cube walls plus one real wall...
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Try to upgrade your Radio ROM to v1.50. That'll solve most of your bluetooth problems.
Hi guys,
i recently received my iTech R35 A2DP Bluetooth Headset for my Touch HD which is identical to HTC BH S100 since its only rebranded.
Pairing, controls and everything works fine, but when playing music the connection constantly gets lost for short terms regardless of the distance between the phone and the Headset.
The weird thing about it is, that the headset works perfectly with my friends HD. He even could go away like 10m without any kind of interruption.
I already tried some different settings with HD Tweak but no improvement.
Besides I noticed that overall bluetooth performance with my phone, as it once took about 30 minutes to send a 50MB file, isn't that good.
Thanks for any help!
Update:
I tested the Headset today with two other phones (SE W950i and some Nokia). It worked perfectly so I figure something has to be wrong with my phone. I'll perform a hard reset on the weekend and see if it changes anything. Otherwise I'll have to contact the customer service.
Has anybody here experience with german support. If I had to send the phone in, how does it usually take til u get your phone back?
Well, I just performed the hard reset and it solved the issue. Very strange since I hadn't installed that much programs.
Well, the problem returned and I now figured it out in detail.
There's no correlation with the programs installed.
Once the Bluetooth headset is in the Bluetooth-Device-List as it was connected before the constant lags are there.
If I delete it and re-pair the headset the lags are gone for this one time until the headset got disconnected. Even if I get out of range and return in reach connection is crappy from then on.
Didn't anybody recognize such a strange behaviour too?
I have a similar issue with my Sony Ericsson HBH-IS800 phones.
I thought I'd solved it by re-pairing with the handset, and initially that pairing seemed to last for a while, but now it seems I have to re-pair at least once a day to avoid the stuttering (it's really bad, isn't it?)
Frankly, I'm getting pretty disenchanted with my HD. Every time I discover a tweak which sorts an issue, another issue raises its head. I've lost count of the many hours I've spent trrying to get it to work as it ought to.
Wishing I'd got an iPhone. Okay it's not as good on paper, but at least everything works....
I have to agree the bluetooth is dodgy for me at the best of times in trying to connect to any computer.
Surprisingly, Ive had a good file transfer between my HD and MaxOSX, I can't say the same for Windows XP or Vista where on both accounts it has failed to connect via bluetooth to perform an active sync.
Petee said:
I have a similar issue with my Sony Ericsson HBH-IS800 phones.
I thought I'd solved it by re-pairing with the handset, and initially that pairing seemed to last for a while, but now it seems I have to re-pair at least once a day to avoid the stuttering (it's really bad, isn't it?)
Frankly, I'm getting pretty disenchanted with my HD. Every time I discover a tweak which sorts an issue, another issue raises its head. I've lost count of the many hours I've spent trrying to get it to work as it ought to.
Wishing I'd got an iPhone. Okay it's not as good on paper, but at least everything works....
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Thanks for your information. At least I'm not the only one with this issue.
Meanwhile I tested this behaviour with my buddies HD and it's the same pattern with his one.
I contacted german support today and will report after their answer.
i've been having the exact same problems with my hd. i would be able to pair it with my landrover, but then the connection would be lost. (there's another thread on this somewhere).
anyway, i tried installing BTRestore and BTRestart along with Mortscript and a custom script to help keep the bluetooth active. however, my problem was not that the bluetooth was turning off, but that the connection would not stay active.
so i installed a custom rom, Dutty's version 1.7, and also installed jetware bluetooth program (www.jetwaremobile.com); so far so good (*fingers crossed*). this is my 3rd day and the bluetooth works great. the phone connects with the car instantly, my phonebook works and i can make and receive calls without losing the connection.
so maybe updating the rom will help you too.
Sorry, it's been a while since HTC answered my questions but since their answer was quite disappointing I had no rush to post it.
Summarized they told me the HTC BH S100 was not compatible with the Touch HD even though I pointed out that it's in compatibility-list of the Diamond and both are running the same Chipset and OS and that it works fine after the first pairing.
As I'm tired of reconfiguring my phone I'll wait some time to flash another ROM. I hope WM 6.5 will be released soon and fix this problem, too.
There are a lot of problems with carkit connections & the HD2.
I tried several things to get it working without success.
When I try to connect to the JVC KD-AVX44 it connects but give no sound at all. (making 2 connections, handsfree & stereo audio)
Then I tried the registry tweak mentioned into this forum and had success once. I was very happy because also the title track was shown onto the JVC display and also the phone was functioning ok both ways.
The sound trough AD2P was perfect. Only one time.
After that i get a lot of disconnects.
Then I tried to make only connection with the phone function and this is working ok now. When I want to make the connection trough AD2P then the problem is back. Also when you make it without making the phone connection
So I think the problem lies into the stereo connection. For instance when you skip a track onto the JVC then the connection will be lost and reconect again and giving 2 seconds of sound and then it's quiet again.
Also when to 2 connections exists the phone is blocked by incomming calls because it's thinking it's connected so the earpiece & mic are dead at that time. And also the radio.
Did you try the LineSpeed setting to 256 in the AV key of the Widcomm registry settings ?
Don't know if it could help in your case but it did for me, I don't have disconnects with my Sony headphones anymore and sound is better.
Bluetooth
Ok thx I will give it a try and post the results.
which registry tweak did you applied first, cause i too keep having issues...?
tweak
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone
Do I have to add this line somewhere? I found the AV key into widcomm but the line was not there
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After that i get a lot of disconnects.
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Try turning WiFi off on the phone, it makes a big difference on my IO Play system.
valos said:
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone
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Ok i make this in my BMW X5 and one of problems is solved - HD2 working correct when i am on call and power the car, but i have another problem - after 5 - 6 min on call Bluetooth connections is droped and i can't lisen nothing from Car or for Phone - i must to press Menu and switch off Hands free to continue conversation.
Ok but are you also making stereo connection. I only have the handsfree conected at this time and then the connection is stable. Only with the A2DP it goes wrong.
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Do I have to add this line somewhere? I found the AV key into widcomm but the line was not there
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Yes, you have to add the key, sorry not have said that.
kmeta said:
Ok i make this in my BMW X5 and one of problems is solved - HD2 working correct when i am on call and power the car, but i have another problem - after 5 - 6 min on call Bluetooth connections is droped and i can't lisen nothing from Car or for Phone - i must to press Menu and switch off Hands free to continue conversation.
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Strange, so far I didn't experience any disconnection.
I have conversations during more than 20 minutes daily and line quality is far better than with my Diamond, with no drops.
With the Diamond I had the BT stopping regularily on the phone, it was very annoying because I always discovered it when receiving a call and not being able to answer.
So far it didn't happen on the HD2, but it is really too soon to jump to any conclusion.
I don't use A2DP in the car as I didn't order the option, which I viewed as useless because the hard disk capacity of the iDrive is sufficient to hold a good collection, the audio quality and functionality is much better and I can still connect the phone to the USB plug as mass storage if I want to play or transfer something from it or any memory stick or external HD.
So maybe not having the A2DP profile active may help also.
I also not any problem with my old HTD HD and Cruize ... but with HD2 i have this issue.
Today i receive answer of my ticket from HTC: they offer me to contact with BMW and to ask them why they not support HD2 ... I think this is stupid becouse every new device must support old protocols and older devices.
Now the choice is to change Car or Phone ... sorry but HD2 not have any chance to survive.
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I also not any problem with my old HTD HD and Cruize ... but with HD2 i have this issue.
Today i receive answer of my ticket from HTC: they offer me to contact with BMW and to ask them why they not support HD2 ... I think this is stupid becouse every new device must support old protocols and older devices.
Now the choice is to change Car or Phone ... sorry but HD2 not have any chance to survive.
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Yes how lousy is that
Got the same answer first, but they realised that BMW coudn't recall thousands of vehicles to do a BT upgrade just because HTC decided to adopt the crapy Widcomm BT stack.
So they say they are working on a fix, but given how many issues there are with this stack, they better switch back to the old MS stack instead.
To be clear, it is the Widcomm stack at fault here, not BMW. Every single phone not equipped with this stack, I could try on the BMW, worked flawlesly.
I hope they will recognise this officialy and not blame the others each time a customer opens a ticket about these flaws.
In the meantime, the registry hack works perfectly for handsfree profile, but it seems it doesn't fix everything when the A2DP profile is activated.
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Yes how lousy is that
Got the same answer first, but they realised that BMW coudn't recall thousands of vehicles to do a BT upgrade just because HTC decided to adopt the crapy Widcomm BT stack.
So they say they are working on a fix, but given how many issues there are with this stack, they better switch back to the old MS stack instead.
To be clear, it is the Widcomm stack at fault here, not BMW. Every single phone not equipped with this stack, I could try on the BMW, worked flawlesly.
I hope they will recognise this officialy and not blame the others each time a customer opens a ticket about these flaws.
In the meantime, the registry hack works perfectly for handsfree profile, but it seems it doesn't fix everything when the A2DP profile is activated.
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After much playing around - I found a linespeed of 300 works best for the HD2. 256 still has questionable quality and 320 for some reason skips a lot. Reducing it to 300 seems to be a workable equilibrium!
Hello all,
I have the same problems like other users with A2DP sound quality which you can read here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=600752
But today I found out another thing. If I transfer data via bluetooth it takes so much time. That is unbelievable.
I have a Nokia N95 and a Sony K850i as well. To transfer some MB takes only seconds with this two phones. But with the HD2 it takes minutes. How can this be? Any solution?