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i now many universal owners found that the HTC HD will be their new replacement for their old universal (me too) and i was wondering which realy has a better CPU since we already have intel PXA270 624Mhz on universal after clocking but i dont know weather the Qualcomm MSM7201A will have a potential to over clock it to at least the same extent?
i also hate that the HD has no hardkeys or joypad which is real helppfull in many games!!
so guys any cons or pros between the 2 will be realy benefitial?(i think i wrote it right).
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cenarius said:
i now many universal owners found that the HTC HD will be their new replacement for their old universal (me too) and i was wondering which realy has a better CPU since we already have intel PXA270 624Mhz on universal after clocking but i dont know weather the Qualcomm MSM7201A will have a potential to over clock it to at least the same extent?
i also hate that the HD has no hardkeys or joypad which is real helppfull in many games!!
so guys any cons or pros between the 2 will be realy benefitial?(i think i wrote it right).
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Hi
I am not an expert in processors but if you read here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2742307#post2742307
Maybe your question can be solved.
About HD vs. Universal I think the only 2 bad points on where HD is not the winner are:
1. NO KEYBOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. Too similar to iphoney..........
I dream with HTC HD with a very nice slim and well designed physical keyboard!!!
That would be an ultimate device and the ONLY real succesor for our fantastic Uni
Cheers,
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Hi
I am not an expert in processors but if you read here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2742307#post2742307
Maybe your question can be solved.
About HD vs. Universal I think the only 2 bad points on where HD is not the winner are:
1. NO KEYBOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. Too similar to iphoney..........
I dream with HTC HD with a very nice slim and well designed physical keyboard!!!
That would be an ultimate device and the ONLY real succesor for our fantastic Uni
Cheers,
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I'm absolutely with you, I really need a qwerty keyboard, I hope so soon will be released Uni successor, HD is great device, but it's not for me...
orb3000 said:
Hi
I am not an expert in processors but if you read here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2742307#post2742307
Maybe your question can be solved.
wow how did I not see that thread!!!!!!!!!
About HD vs. Universal I think the only 2 bad points on where HD is not the winner are:
1. NO KEYBOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. Too similar to iphoney..........
I dream with HTC HD with a very nice slim and well designed physical keyboard!!!
That would be an ultimate device and the ONLY real succesor for our fantastic Uni
Cheers,
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I agree with you,in addition I have concerns about the manufacture quality of the screen which seems to be similar to that of diamond and the touch pro which with time sites of increase pressure would have reduce sensitivity and I didn't understood this phrase "it become oil point"?
cenarius said:
I agree with you,in addition I have concerns about the manufacture quality of the screen which seems to be similar to that of diamond and the touch pro which with time sites of increase pressure would have reduce sensitivity and I didn't understood this phrase "it become oil point"?
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Yes the quality of the screen does not looks very nice, too shinny I think.
I can imagine if I am trying to read a mail on HD with some bright light on my back I´m sure I wont be able to see a s....t on the screen
Hope I am wrong, I am thinking seriously to wait a little bit to see if HD makes a keyboard model, instead of running to buy the HD.
I am not tired about my Uni but we have to be honest, it feels nice to buy a new device! and I haven´t made that since Aug 05 when I got my Uni.
I wouldn't hold my breath for a keyboard HD anytime soon. The Pro is there and there seems to be a smaller market for the Pro than for the Diamond for example. Besides that, plans for the Pro were well known before the Diamond was even released, and the HD is just around the corner and there isn't even the slightest rumor of a keyboard HD, afaik.
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I agree with you,in addition I have concerns about the manufacture quality of the screen which seems to be similar to that of diamond and the touch pro which with time sites of increase pressure would have reduce sensitivity and I didn't understood this phrase "it become oil point"?
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wait, let me get this straight...are you saying what I think you're saying?
That the screens of the devices like Diamond and HD will lose it's functionality after a while???
Diamond wasn't released that long ago and people are already saying that the screen is losing its functionality after just, what, 2 or 3 months?
This can't be true...
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wait, let me get this straight...are you saying what I think you're saying?
That the screens of the devices like Diamond and HD will lose it's functionality after a while???
Diamond wasn't released that long ago and people are already saying that the screen is losing its functionality after just, what, 2 or 3 months?
This can't be true...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2731291&postcount=6
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2731291&postcount=6
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That post was not exclusive to Diamond (including Pro) and HD devices. From what I understood, what he's saying is that all pressure sensitive screens are susceptible to wear over a period of time, and I quote: "(not immediately, but over time it loses its accuracy/sensitivity)"
So it could happen to Kaiser, Universal, Hermes, well, just about any other pressure sensitive touch screen devices.
I believe that's possible but it would take quite a while before the screen loses it's functionability.
When I initially read your post, it gave me quite a scare. I thought that this was a problem exclusive to Diamond and HD. lol
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That post was not exclusive to Diamond (including Pro) and HD devices. From what I understood, what he's saying is that all pressure sensitive screens are susceptible to wear over a period of time, and I quote: "(not immediately, but over time it loses its accuracy/sensitivity)"
So it could happen to Kaiser, Universal, Hermes, well, just about any other pressure sensitive touch screen devices.
I believe that's possible but it would take quite a while before the screen loses it's functionability.
When I initially read your post, it gave me quite a scare. I thought that this was a problem exclusive to Diamond and HD. lol
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Agree meckah
I have my Universal since Aug 05 as my main PDA/Phone and I don´t feel any accuracy/sensitivity loss at all.
So I´m going for HD with no doubt!
Well if you took good care of the phone you wouldn't notice the difference even if it were there. It is only very, very minor loss of accuracy/sensitivity and it would occur so gradually it's hardly noticeable unless holding it next to a new version of the same phone.
The problem: the Diamond and its siblings invite for heavy finger pressure since they respond better to sharp objects such as a nail or a stylus. This is because the finger itself spreads the pressure over such a big area that the screen will not respond, while you are still applying a lot of net pressure to it. This may cause the screen on the Diamond, or the Pro, or the HD to damage much faster than older PDA screens which were only controlled with a stylus.
I use a stylus rather often on my Diamond since it many winmo features are so small it's hard to use a finger.
Now, early HD beta owners specifically pointed out that the HD seems to feel more responsive (see the French vid on youtube as well), making it more finger friendly.
This brings yet another issue: The Touch HD is a screen which appeals much more to finger gesture control than stylus control. Since the PPI is slightly lower than that of the Diamond all winmo user interface elements will be bigger, they can more easily be controlled using a fingertip. Also, it will be easier to depress and thus bend the screen since it is much bigger than that of the Diamond. If the screen isn't more sensitive than its siblings, the HD will be more likely to show oil patch and decreased sensitivity problems than the Diamond and the Pro.
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Well if you took good care of the phone you wouldn't notice the difference even if it were there. It is only very, very minor loss of accuracy/sensitivity and it would occur so gradually it's hardly noticeable unless holding it next to a new version of the same phone.
The problem: the Diamond and its siblings invite for heavy finger pressure since they respond better to sharp objects such as a nail or a stylus. This is because the finger itself spreads the pressure over such a big area that the screen will not respond, while you are still applying a lot of net pressure to it. This may cause the screen on the Diamond, or the Pro, or the HD to damage much faster than older PDA screens which were only controlled with a stylus.
I use a stylus rather often on my Diamond since it many winmo features are so small it's hard to use a finger.
Now, early HD beta owners specifically pointed out that the HD seems to feel more responsive (see the French vid on youtube as well), making it more finger friendly.
This brings yet another issue: The Touch HD is a screen which appeals much more to finger gesture control than stylus control. Since the PPI is slightly lower than that of the Diamond all winmo user interface elements will be bigger, they can more easily be controlled using a fingertip. Also, it will be easier to depress and thus bend the screen since it is much bigger than that of the Diamond. If the screen isn't more sensitive than its siblings, the HD will be more likely to show oil patch and decreased sensitivity problems than the Diamond and the Pro.
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Good explanation.
So it seems that if HD is more sensitive, then it also means that the screen will wear off quicker? I guess we'll never know until the phone comes out and people start using it....but the answer to this question might have a great impact on my decision of whether to buy the phone or not.
I have a Kaiser...Diamond never really impressed me with the 2.8screen, I marked the HD as my next device, but I'm hearing a lot of doubts about this phone even before it's released.
Going back on the thread subject
I insist, what are the options on having a new model in a few months based on HD with keyboard?
Or any succesor that you can think for the Universal? (No G1!!!)
How about the only disadvantage I can see on the HD? KEYBOARD
How easy is going to type on HD comparing to the beautyfull and usefull kb of Uni?
For me,
HTC Universal is the first big VGA PDA Phone about 2 years ago. It succeeded the big non VGA BlueAngel.
It was follow by next big VGA PDA Phone about a year back, O2 XDA Flame.
Now of course, HTC Touch HD will be the next big VGA PDA Phone.
I've been using the Universal since August 2005 and I'm still using it and I'm very satisfied with it. However after 3 years I would like something new...
However, the thing I use most of all is Terminal Services/Remote Desktop/LogMeIn.com.
The problem is that when I maximize this to full screen I won't be able to use a good Virtual Keyboard anymore. So I really need a hardware keyboard. I'm afraid I'll have to go with the Touch PRO or stick with the Universal if HTC doesn't release a HD with keyboard.
And I'm not about to carry around a seperate keyboard with me.
Hi Folks,
as we all know the Touch HD hasn´t any Video Output. But the Touch Pro has one, and the Chipset should be the same. So is there anybody who has ever looked inside the two devices to find out what are the hardware-differences especially in graphic chipsets and peripherical parts?Are there Photos of the PCB´s to compare?
I really don´t think that its a Software issue to get Video-Output...
This is the answer! forget messing about with drivers and reg entries, we dont even know it had the ability to do it!
we need chipset pictures of both devices, id actually suggest comparing the Diamond and the Pro rather than the HD since it is almost identical in many more ways with the same question regarding its TV out abilites.
My thoughts are that there is going to be a nice wee bit of silicon sitting there doing the hard work for the PRO and it will be missing on the Diamond and HD.
hi all, im relativly new to all this having had an n95 for the last year or so.
I have the choice of the samsung omnia white 8gb or the htc touch hd. With the omnia ill be on a 12 month contract, with the hd an 18.
Anywya, its driving me insane trying to decide, so id appreciate any advice you could offer.
the way im looking at it at th emoment, i like the fact that the omnia has a flash, built in memory and seems to be faster (reading on here there seems to be a driver issue with the hd).
The worrys i have about the hd are the driver situation(reading on here people seem to have delay issues with tomtom and i use gps quite alot, and weather without the device will be powerfull enough to run heavier apps and the lack of a flash and inbuilt memory.
However, what i love about the hd are the community you guys have. Looking at the forum (i may be totally wrong) but itlooks like you guys are not far away from getting android working on it, which would be cool as. Also, i like the way you can use the features from the other phones such as touchwiz and the xperia squares thingy.
Anywya, i dont know much atall having used symbian for the last 6 years or so , so please give me your honest advice.
Everyone looks at their phones differently.
It is decision that others can't make for you.
Evaluated the facts and make a choice.
tkalli said:
Everyone looks at their phones differently.
It is decision that others can't make for you.
Evaluated the facts and make a choice.
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Couldn't have put it better!!
Only you know what you are looking for in a phone. Look at both specs, read up on both of them and evaluate which one is best for you.
Both have pros & cons, but you are right, xda developers is an awesome community to be part of and the tweaking & roms available are of great use!!
Is there likley to be any resolution to the driver situation. Im hoping that with the release of the magic mabey we will also have android running perfectly on the touch hd.
But then if i go for the omnia, its only 12 months i have to stay and i get the flash camera.
The omnia techinically looks just as powerfull as the hd touch, but with a lesser community of devs.
Grrr, descisions descisions!
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Is there likley to be any resolution to the driver situation. Im hoping that with the release of the magic mabey we will also have android running perfectly on the touch hd.
But then if i go for the omnia, its only 12 months i have to stay and i get the flash camera.
The omnia techinically looks just as powerfull as the hd touch, but with a lesser community of devs.
Grrr, descisions descisions!
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Camera on the Omnia is superior to the HD's, but I don't really use the camera function as I have a 10MP camera anyhow. I stated before, it all depends on your usage. If your looking for an Android phone, there is other options out there as Android on the HD appears to still be a long way off!
thanks guys, i think ill go for the omnia. I use gps and camera alot, so with the lag and no flash of the HD i think that just sways it for me.
And the omnia is only 12 months, so i can upgrade in 10 at xmas. Hopefully by then the htc will have resolved problems with the drivers and mabey have android running.
Omnia looks like it can do pretty much most of the things the hd can do and only downside is the smaller screen and resolution .. am i right in thinking this?
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thanks guys, i think ill go for the omnia. I use gps and camera alot, so with the lag and no flash of the HD i think that just sways it for me.
And the omnia is only 12 months, so i can upgrade in 10 at xmas. Hopefully by then the htc will have resolved problems with the drivers and mabey have android running.
Omnia looks like it can do pretty much most of the things the hd can do and only downside is the smaller screen and resolution .. am i right in thinking this?
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What you could do, which is a bit risky, is trial them both, i.e. get the HD and try it out for a couple days then return it saying you aren't happy, then get the Omnia and do the same thing. If you prefer the Omnia, just keep it etc
I had an Omnia for a few days and returned it as soon as possible for a Touch Pro (now have HD).
Omnia was rubbish, screen is poor, especially in sun light. The Op/sys was extremely unreliable - they've probably fixed this by now. There is no stylus except on a string and the interface is just a simple overlay on top of windows (bit like TF3D) so you need a stylus. Sound was excellent, camera was OK but I'm not a big photo maker with PDA.
The sensitivity of the Omnia acceleration detector is either too sensitive or not enough, I was not able to get it right. The touch screen sensitivity is poor - it needs a hard tap to make things happen.
What else? memory was not so big as on HD, screen resolution is not as good as HD, HD is just way way better.
BUT, it's a personal choice. However, I would highly recommend waiting for the new Omnia now and not buying the old one.
how do you find theHD though? In videos i have seen it seems to stutter alot and lag.
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I got the touch HD , as I fell in love with the Orginal Touch .. I use PC's alott and starsted getting thumb strain with Nokia phone .. so went to the Touch .. loved this .. then went to the HD ... bigger screen etc.. I love it .. what It cant do .. is not worth it ..
i had the same dilema myself and i ended with the HD
if you want a brilliant display, cool factor and xda community go with the HD
if you want a decent camera, snappy interface, huge memory and avi movies with no conversion go with omnia
all other things are more or less the same and more or less acceptable
good luck!
thanks alot guys
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thanks guys, i think ill go for the omnia. I use gps and camera alot, so with the lag and no flash of the HD i think that just sways it for me.
And the omnia is only 12 months, so i can upgrade in 10 at xmas. Hopefully by then the htc will have resolved problems with the drivers and mabey have android running.
Omnia looks like it can do pretty much most of the things the hd can do and only downside is the smaller screen and resolution .. am i right in thinking this?
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I got the HD, my wife the omnia.
The HD has a much, much!, better screen. I don't see much difference between the camera's (except for the flash I suppose, but I don't think she ever used it).
As for GPS:
We tried it, driving with both telephones running Garmin software.
I didn't see any difference, the voice directions came mostly simultanious or at most within tenth of seconds from each other and to be honest, I have no idea if the omnia or the HD was the echo
No way I would ever want to swap my HD for her omnia
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I got the HD, my wife the omnia.
The HD has a much, much!, better screen. I don't see much difference between the camera's (except for the flash I suppose, but I don't think she ever used it).
As for GPS:
We tried it, driving with both telephones running Garmin software.
I didn't see any difference, the voice directions came mostly simultanious or at most within tenth of seconds from each other and to be honest, I have no idea if the omnia or the HD was the echo
No way I would ever want to swap my HD for her omnia
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what about playing movies. It seems the touch hd with the lack of hardware drives is sluggish in comparrison
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how do you find theHD though? In videos i have seen it seems to stutter alot and lag.
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I don't use videos much but I do use the youtube application and it's fine, I never get a stutter.
It probably depends on the coding/format being used.
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I don't use videos much but I do use the youtube application and it's fine, I never get a stutter.
It probably depends on the coding/format being used.
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Agreed, don't use videos, but I do find it annoying that when playing music you get an occasional stutter/blip with no apparent fix yet!!
How do you find the data charges when using youtube a lot?
cheers guys, orderd the omnia now in white.
thanks
Someone found the right thing to do with an omnia:
http://www.wmexperts.com/torture-phone-heaven-blogger
As to data charges for YouTube, I use this over wifi and not GPRS so I use it for free!
I get no noticeable GPS lag in either TomTom or Google Maps.
Hi all,
contract is up on my current phone in 20 days, have to option of either:
getting a Touch HD NOW on a 12 months contract.
or waiting for a few months to get the Pro2
What would be your advice?
p.s. the last winmo device i had was the i-Mate kJam
I guess this isn't an easy decision .
First thing to do is to look through the specifications (here and here).
I think the biggest difference is the hardware keyboard, as the Touch HD hasn't got one.
All other things are (more or less) equal, but the Touch HD has a bigger screen (although 0.2 inch aren't much at all).
Another important thing to consider is the support of custom roms. Whereas the Blackstone is fully supported (HSPL, USPL, Kitchen, many roms), there is nothing for the Rhodium so far, and it will probably take some weeks after the device is released.
So, if you aren't happy with the stock rom, you can't change anything about it in the beginning .
Since we are all Blackstone owners in this forum here, nobody would actually tell that it is a bad device, and you should take the Rhodium, as the Blackstone is just great, but probably the Rhodium will be also.
But: You should make sure that you will be happy with HTC itself. There are a few people, who regret their purchase of a HTC device, as they aren't happy with Windows Mobile, with the HTC support policy, and some things, like the video playback, which isn't really good so far.
I think the best thing to do, is to read through the forum, and to try the Blackstone in a shop next to you.
hi,
cheers for your comprehensive reply.
With regard to being happy about HTC in itself i see no problem there, i had a succession of smartphones for a few years (around the C500 era) and really enjoyed fiddling with them and customising them to how i liked.
The main decision for me was whether i would be jealous of the Pro2 when it comes out becuase it is so much better, but looking at the specs i dont see vast differences.
The exclusion of a hardware keyboard doesn't really bother me too much, although i can't say for certain as i haven't had the chance to use the Blackstone yet (2 phone shops near me have it on display, both are non-working models). I'd be progressing from an N95 and the main draw is the screen real estate, as i use the internet a lot.
The one thing that did worry me slightly is the touch screen element (resistive v capacitive) however i've barely touched an iphone since they've been around (not an apple fan) and my last touch screen experience was a k-jam so it much be an improvement on that?
Cheers
Mundo
The lack of a hardware keyboard doesn't bother me at all, as SPB keyboard makes input really easy. This makes the Blackstone really handy, it has the right dimensions, whereas the Touch Pro (and probably the Touch Pro 2), will be a little too thick, but thats just my impression.
Using Opera to browse the internet makes really fun and works just great with the touch screen. Maybe you'll find some videos on youtube or so.
The disadvantages of this kind of touchscreen is that there is no multitouch, so you can just touch the display at one point at each time, but for me its just ok.
Customizing the device with the tools flying around here, is really great, so if you are keen on tinkering with your device, its just right for you .
I would go for the black stone ..... Hands down
It's really gotta come down to how you intend to use the device.
I'm not a big emailer from my phone (I've got a work blackberry), but the focus of the Touch HD has to be the huge screen. It is bigger and better than the iphone, but it comes at the expense of the dpad and buttons.
If you can live without the keyboard, IMHO the Touch HD is the best device around right now.
However, aren't you tempted by the Pre? You could convert your contract to a PAYG and wait until you see what's coming. New iphones and possibly the pre are a few weeks away, apparently.
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I have read dozens of reviews of the htc touch hd which really got me interested after ditching my iphone for an xperia. The xperia is quite fun but have many bad and good experience with it. Its really getting on my nerve about how slow it is sometimes and not much of a keyboard user except sometimes where its really useful. I want to know is the responsiveness on the htc touch hd any good compare to the iphone or xperia i have no troubles typing on a touch screen except those few grammar errors. The htc touch pro 2 really got me with the tilting action which is great for videos but has no fm radio nor does it have 3.5mm so please give me some opinions
Simply answer Touch HD is better choice for hard keyboard haters like me... HTC is very smart company, they produces for different customer profiles
xperia and hd share the same hardware so its the same old story, you wont get a hyperfast machine if u aint into tweaking and possibly rom flashing (eg kwbr's topix unleashed is a really fast rom, and duttys 3.4)
for tp2, i would never ever use a device like ours without a 3.5mm jack
maybe it's personal view and getting used to it but i type on hd better than on iphone
Not sure if you have seen this but someone has posted a comparison of Blackstone and TP2 in the Rhodium Forums. For me personally I don't like the bulk of the Rhodium. It's about 30 grams heavier than a Blackstone and more than 50 grams heavier than a Topaz. Suppose it's good to have choice of different form factors though
Sorry... should of read before posting...