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TyTn tft screen not transflective, should it be??

Hello
I have wondered that tytn tft screen should be in specs transflective but at least my tytn screen is not, becouse i cannot see anything on sunny day. Should it be transflective or not?
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It is transflective. You just have to get the sun angle right to see it. Angle the screen so that if your hermes was a mirror then the sun would be reflected right into your eyes.

If i compare the screen to nokia E61i screen, that is tranflective but my tytn screen is not, do i have some different model or can you see something in bright sun light?

I cant see mine on a sunny day either...

Sleuth255 said:
It is transflective. You just have to get the sun angle right to see it. Angle the screen so that if your hermes was a mirror then the sun would be reflected right into your eyes.
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I tried that. Now I can't see anything! At all! (Cause I was blinded, see?)

Yeah the screen is pretty sucky in sunlight. My Universal was so much better. The colours washed out a little, but everything was perfectly clear. The backlight was not needed at all.

yeah the screen isn't so great during the sunlight.. thank goodness I'm inside most of the time..
oh well, the days are getting shorter here in Tokyo, so the transflective screen won't be needed

I heard about this as well.. it is quite weird that still there are screen these days that are non-transflective. Not that it is very useful to me, but it does save me couple of times. In my Wizard (i.e. not TyTn) when some of the programs that I've installed, causes the backlight to drop to 0, and if it weren't the transflective screen, it would be very very difficult to get it back.

Outdoor under direct sun light?

Does anyone have a clue how the new screen behaves outdoor, especially under direct sun light. My current HD "sucks" on that matter, espaecially when using GPS navigation during day time .
Thanks

yeah, HD sucks under the sun lol.

indoor comparision..

The HD 2 has a light sensor which will control the backlight based on the light in the environment you in. I have seen it on a Rodium and i must say it works very nice!

SNL said:
The HD 2 has a light sensor which will control the backlight based on the light in the environment you in. I have seen it on a Rodium and i must say it works very nice!
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If I'm not misstaken, even the Touch Diamond had that...
still doesn't answer the "question"

The Touch HD had this too but still sucks under sunlight. Even if you manually set to maximum brightness it was pretty bad under sunlight.

I thinks this is a hard question to answer till the device is in the market

Normally, it is the glass protection of a capacitive screen which gives good readability under the direct sun, while the resistive needs a plastic cover able to catch up the points of pressure filtering a lot of brightness.
In my experience (Samsung Omnia HD), the capacitive is very readable even under the sunlight, BUT, I'm not sure if the 65K colors Vs. 16M colors could affect the result.

I agree dfulgo. Although I'm not sure but I think this might really be the case.
If you have seen this video in youtube (link below) where they compared 7 different phones, even the Omnia2 AMOLED screen cannot compare to the Iphone's sunlight legibility. I think this is really mainly because of the strong reflection on the glass for the Omnia2, and not just the brightness of the screen. And the Omnia HD with capacitive screen looks better in sunlight than Omnia2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8b5Jb_dB3M
I'm hoping this is the case, so we might have good sunlight legibility for the HD2!

warnold007 said:
I think this is really mainly because of the strong reflection on the glass for the Omnia2, and not just the brightness of the screen.
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I am pretty sure it's because of it being an AMOLED screen. Those always have bad sunlight readability.
I think I read somewhere, that the HD2 was ok outdoors, but I am not really sure. Well, we will know for sure when it's out.

So, "Nothing new under the sun"?

Glass Cover
If Leo have glass cover (like Iphone) outdoor on direct sun light - OK
But if have plastic cover , we must wait for next phone
I hope HTC to use glass screen !!!

Answer???
If anybody have in new HTC HD2 , lets tell us about outdoor properties!!!

if anybody can use search utility, use it
it has glass screen, under sun light it is no problem...
once againt, search utility -> 3rd from right on that brown upper panel... click on search, and add a point of your question...

Please pose a photo of the screen, at least.
Thank's

the hd2 is very good in sunlight ... de best HTC device (screen) untill now.
still the iphone is a little better.

i saw hd2 in real under the sun light. difference with iphone? NO! hd2 perfectly shows its display in any condition. just 2 differences: 1) hd2's glass is more reflecting in comparison with the iphone one, but this doesn't affect its usability 2) the tft-panel adopted in hd2 has got more contrast, black is blacker!

gsmarena
Well, what you say makes me a little bit happier, because there is a preview on gsmarena.com and they say HD2 sucks under the sunlight (though the overall preview is very positive, they say sun light legibility is poor)

I also read a post by xmoo who owns a HD2 said sunlight legibility sucked. :confused
Still no conclusive answer. I guess we need a photo comparison between iPhone, Touch HD and HD2.

mobile-review
According to some pictures from mobile-review (there is a review in russian, google translate is not 100 procent), it looks not so bad (they say it´s better than on previous HTC devices)...problem is the screen reflects too much, but it looks to me colours are not washed out

n1 in a sunlight

This is a big concern of mine. I love the specs of the n1 but I've read that nothing can be seen on the screen in direct sunlight. I'd buy an HTC HD2 because I can even read books in sunlight with it but they stick with the win mobile and I like to have an android phone. So what do you say about n1 screen quality in comparison to the htc hd2 screen?

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This is a big concern of mine. I love the specs of the n1 but I've read that nothing can be seen on the screen in direct sun light. I'd buy an HTC HD2 because I can even read books in sunlight with it but they stick with the win mobile and I like to have an android phone. So what do you say about n1 screen quality?
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The only people who say this are people who don't know how to use the phone. Basically there is an automatic brightness option that changes the brightness based on how bright it is around the phone. Unfortunately, it seems like this feature always keeps the screen fairly dim, so I don't like it.
I have this feature disabled at all times and keep my phone at maximum brightness. It looks perfectly fine in sunlight.
People who say the screen doesn't work in sunlight don't know how to disable this feature (ie don't know how to use Android / change simple settings).

Paul22000 said:
I have this feature disabled at all times and keep my phone at maximum brightness. It looks perfectly fine in sunlight.
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I've seen an app on an htc hd2 that changes the brightness automatically but one can adjust the brightness for specific surround conditions (i.e it looks like a graphical equalizer). I do not own the phone but I was told that this app works quite good. Is there something similar for the n1?

I can attest the screen pretty much sucks in sunligh at full brightness. The beaming sun in south florida is relentless.

Yeah, the N1 is hard to read in the bright sun and its not just pooping on stupid people that dont understand computerz or a simple setting that fixes it, it just gives glare in the sun.

Most phones/screens, regardless of their technology, are difficult to see in direct sunlight. But then, why are you trying to read the screen in direct sunlight? Just turn the other way, or shield it with your hand. Not that hard to figure out, really.
I use the automatic light sensor all the time. The only time is gets confused is is in a dim room, bright source (window, lamp) directly in front of the sensor. You have to realize what the sensor is seeing. Often times it's seeing light reflected off your face, hence the up/down/up/down of the screen brightness.
I honestly don't see either as issues with the phone, but the users rather.

I've had no problems using my Nexus One in direct sunlight.

Raymond77 said:
I've had no problems using my Nexus One in direct sunlight.
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really? i will be honest, i cannot see **** in direct sunlight unless i have the brightness all the way up... and that screen on full brightness is a battery hog...

I have no major probs with mine in direct sunlight, it's not that much different to the G1. I'm sure there are phones with better screens for direct sunlight but it's far from unusable.
The auto brightness feature works fine, you just have to wait a couple of seconds for it to adjust. Only people who don't know how to use the phone disable it and waste all their battery.

JHaste said:
really? i will be honest, i cannot see **** in direct sunlight unless i have the brightness all the way up... and that screen on full brightness is a battery hog...
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Really. I usually leave the screen set to auto, on the odd occasion I've had to turn it up to the brightest setting, but as the last poster said usually it'll catch up and turn the brightness up itself.

snoopstah said:
I have no major probs with mine in direct sunlight, it's not that much different to the G1. I'm sure there are phones with better screens for direct sunlight but it's far from unusable.
The auto brightness feature works fine, you just have to wait a couple of seconds for it to adjust. Only people who don't know how to use the phone disable it and waste all their battery.
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Or people who don't have any problem with the battery? With my use the battery lasts for 20+ hours, which is more than enough time for me to get to a charger again.
I always have the brightness at max and have had it that way for all the phones I've had (where you can set the brightness). If I'm gonna be more than a day without charging it I'll of course turn it down, but it's far from a neccesity for day to day use.
Just checked my phone and it's been off the charger for 16 hours and I still have 53% left on the battery.

Brightness in the direct Thai sunlight is fully adequate. The only problem I've had is that in direct sunlight, everything else is well lit, and so reflects off the screen.
Brightness: no problem
Reflection off the screen: annoying.

Paul22000 said:
The only people who say this are people who don't know how to use the phone. Basically there is an automatic brightness option that changes the brightness based on how bright it is around the phone. Unfortunately, it seems like this feature always keeps the screen fairly dim, so I don't like it.
I have this feature disabled at all times and keep my phone at maximum brightness. It looks perfectly fine in sunlight.
People who say the screen doesn't work in sunlight don't know how to disable this feature (ie don't know how to use Android / change simple settings).
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False. I know this phone well and disabled the auto brightness within 20 minutes of owning the phone. As much as I love my N1, and would not trade it for any phone, the amazing OMLED screen is one of the worst screens I've used as far as clarity in direct sunlight. This is not an N1 problem, but a problem with OLED screens in general. Assuming the new iPhone that should be released in June will have an OLED screen, it will have the same problem in direct sunlight.
You can buy anti-glare screen protectors that help this problem, but you do sacrifice some of the stunning brightness and clarity of the N1 screen in regular viewing conditions.
There is no way I would trade the N1 screen for the likes of the iPhone screen as the benefits of the OLED screen in non-direct sunlight viewing far outweighs the difficulty seeing the screen in direct sunlight. In fact, the N1 screen is probably its most impressive feature (aside from its blazing speed).

irishrally said:
the amazing OMLED screen is one of the worst screens I've used as far as clarity in direct sunlight. This is not an N1 problem, but a problem with OLED screens in general. Assuming the new iPhone that should be released in June will have an OLED screen, it will have the same problem in direct sunlight.
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of cause this is the n1 problem and yours in the end! How are you suppose to take pictures with the n1 if you see nothing on the screen? How you suppose to dial a number if you see nothing on the screen? Saying this is not the phone to blame but the screen manufacturing process sounds stupid to me.

I have never in my life encountered an electronic device with a screen that was perfectly readable in direct sunlight, that is to say, as readable as indoors (not even my laptop plugged in the mains and set to full brightness). Reason: no screen technology can provide as much brightness as the sun. Solution: accept it, and cover the screen with one hand while you use the device with the other....
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of cause this is the n1 problem and yours in the end! How are you suppose to take pictures with the n1 if you see nothing on the screen? How you suppose to dial a number if you see nothing on the screen? Saying this is not the phone to blame but the screen manufacturing process sounds stupid to me.
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take pictures: look over the device and hit the shutter button..
input: open you jacket and form the number while providing shadow with it, or provide shadow with one hand while forming the number with the other. It's a fact that you need to accept, period.

Video sunlight test
Here is a video I found, it basically compares the N1's screen in sunlight to the Droid's screen at three different brightness levels. Enjoy.
youtube. com/watch?v=YwyJq6oF4wE
note, since I'm new I can't post links... just remove the space

The screen is really nice in normal light but yeah it sucks in the sunlight LOL Probably depends where you live but in sunny South Florida it's a pain sometimes. Doesn't matter which direction you turn definitely have to shield it with your hand and it's still pretty hard to read. I'm looking into getting an anti glare screen protector for it to see how that helps. The display is absolutely beautiful but i'm starting to think maybe oled isn't the best technology for cell phone screens

Oled
The main difference between the screen technology in the N1 and most other phones is that on the N1, as I understand it, each pixel emits its own light (OLED = Organic Light Emitting Diode) as opposed to a 'liquid' film lighted from the back (LCD = Liquid Crystal Display). The only technology that I know of that will work well in direct sunlight is e-ink.
It is not likely that a pixel or a backlight could ever reasonably compete with direct sunlight, but on an LCD screen it is possible for the sunlight to reflect off the back layer or to hold the device is a certain angle to 'perhap's see the image better in sunlight then on the OLED type display.
However, having the N1 myself, I have found that I am able to shade the display in full Southern California Sunlight well enough to function with the device. The OLED display is much too gorgious to give up for LCD in my opinion.

HTC HD2 Screen Brightness

Am I the only one having trouble with HD2's screen brightness ?
I work in a very shiny-sunny environment (I'm a ski instructor) and I can barely use the phone when I'm working. I manage to use the basic functions, but watching a video is impossible, I just cannot see a thing !
I compared with a friend's Iphone a few days ago and it seems Iphone screen's brigthness is much better. (or is it the material used for the screen itself?) Even though it's sunny, the Iphone shows nice colors and images, when the HTC darken everything, coupled with reflects making the whole thing unusable...
I'm already using a 100% brightness all the time but it doesn't help much when the light is strong. Though it helps draining the battery quicker...
I don't want to start any sterile debate Iphone-HD2, I'm very happy with my HD2. Indoor the screen is just great. I just have that one big problem in my everyday life with that phone...

I have no problem looking at the screen under direct sunlight with auto-adjusted screen brightness setting. 100% screen brightness should not be a problem for me.
Did you use any screen protector? Perhaps different type of screen protector might affect the brightness of the screen, at least by minimal amount.

Mmmh
Maybe the snow reflection and the very high luminosity around here is responsible for this I don't know.
I've always had that problem with my HD2. Yesterday I installed a Zagg Full Body Shield, and it's even worse ! Though there are less reflects (the screen is not so shiny anymore), the screen protector make it even darker.
I'll remove that screen protector, see why here if you're interested : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6255312&postcount=57

podrob said:
Maybe the snow reflection and the very high luminosity around here is responsible for this I don't know.
I've always had that problem with my HD2. Yesterday I installed a Zagg Full Body Shield, and it's even worse ! Though there are less reflects (the screen is not so shiny anymore), the screen protector make it even darker.
I'll remove that screen protector, see why here if you're interested : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6255312&postcount=57
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i agreee. 10 char

myth1001 said:
I have no problem looking at the screen under direct sunlight with auto-adjusted screen brightness setting. 100% screen brightness should not be a problem for me.
Did you use any screen protector? Perhaps different type of screen protector might affect the brightness of the screen, at least by minimal amount.
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Of course you don't have a problem with viewing your phone outdoors - you live in England.

try an antiglare screen protector, do you have your brightness set to 100%?

Light sensor and screen protector question.

Hello,
I just bought a samsung note 10.1, and for now I just put on a makeshift screen protector which is covering both the camera and the light sensor. This is just until I can buy on to fit it. Anyway my question is, it seems like the auto brightness isn't working or working well. I have it on and the screen seems very dark, and I don't have the power settings on either. Would the screen protector covering the light sensor cause this?? or is there some other kind of issue?
Thanks all.

I can't recall how the auto brightness worked before I installed a screen protector so I can't comment on its direct impact but I wouldn't think it should matter. I do find th auto brightness a bit too dark in almost all situations and I think that is a Note 10.1 issue in general.
I just did some test in varying light conditions and the sensor was quick to respond and went quite bright when I was in a very bright room. I just think it over compensates in dark situations.
Sent from my Galaxy Note 10.1

Thanks for the reply. I am sure it's ok, but it's been awhile since I had a android tab, so I wasn't sure.

flippingout said:
I can't recall how the auto brightness worked before I installed a screen protector so I can't comment on its direct impact but I wouldn't think it should matter. I do find th auto brightness a bit too dark in almost all situations and I think that is a Note 10.1 issue in general.
I just did some test in varying light conditions and the sensor was quick to respond and went quite bright when I was in a very bright room. I just think it over compensates in dark situations.
Sent from my Galaxy Note 10.1
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One more question. Do you slide the slider for brightness all the way to the right then click on auto? I heard some say you put the slider all the way to the right, then click on the auto brightness, and that it wont clock lower then the max or something?