My major concern is battery.
What do you think about this 1350 battery on this big, large screen... we will have the same problem of the diamond?? Will we reach to dinner??
Its a good question and one that will be difficult to answer until we get to use it, but if I had to guess I would say it will not be strong enough, but again it would depend on how you use the device. HSDPA and push email can really tax the battery add to that music and videos and of course web surfing and you would need a huge battery to last the day. I think with all these devices battery life will always be a problem.
its actually quite a easy question to answer, the HD will suck more power, it will drain a battery with "average" usage around two hours quicker than the Touch Pro, this by an large is due to the fact that the screen is around 30% larger, which obviously means that its backlight will be larger, the rest of the hardware is essentially the same, its going to suck.
Cracking phone i agree, but there is physically no way it will be better than a Pro, and will infact be significantly worse due to 30% more power usage on the screen alone.
extended battery will more than likely be a must, even if its just for emergencies
anyone know if its the SAME battery as the pro?
The PRO is Mah 1340...
dazza9075 said:
its actually quite a easy question to answer, the HD will suck more power, it will drain a battery with "average" usage around two hours quicker than the Touch Pro, this by an large is due to the fact that the screen is around 30% larger, which obviously means that its backlight will be larger, the rest of the hardware is essentially the same, its going to suck.
Cracking phone i agree, but there is physically no way it will be better than a Pro, and will infact be significantly worse due to 30% more power usage on the screen alone.
extended battery will more than likely be a must, even if its just for emergencies
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actually, noone can say that at the moment. the kind of battery used in a device doesn't say how long it will be able to operate (ofcourse, a more powerfull battery is always stronger). Software is very very importand. just look at the diamond. it has a better or equal battery than some other phones with same kind of specs. but still drains battery life like nothing.
improving the software can make a huge differents and it could even be possible that the battery life of the HD is better than that of the Touch pro.
Oh, before i forget. some german reviews allready stated, that the battery life seems to be quiet good and that they were pretty surprised when they found out that the screen light doesn't need much power.
the 1340 refers to the maximum amount of power available on one charge, in this case its the same as the touch pro, doesnt matter what type of battery it is, (although admitidly some batteries are designed for high current, some for low current high duration)
anyhow, the average current draw is specified by HTC, so yes software tweaks can helps this but its important to note that it wont be an average if you do, as features will be disabled or reduced in performance.
its also important to not that those stame tweaks that have helped the Pro would be the same tweaks used on teh HD since its essentially the same phone, but applying the tweaks to BOTH phones will still give you a significant difference against the HD, and that difference will be for the most part the increase in power consumption needed to power a 30% larger screen.
The only way the HD can be better than the Pro or equal at the very least is if it has a bigger battery
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the 1340 refers to the maximum amount of power available on one charge, in this case its the same as the touch pro, doesnt matter what type of battery it is, (although admitidly some batteries are designed for high current, some for low current high duration)
anyhow, the average current draw is specified by HTC, so yes software tweaks can helps this but its important to note that it wont be an average if you do, as features will be disabled or reduced in performance.
its also important to not that those stame tweaks that have helped the Pro would be the same tweaks used on teh HD since its essentially the same phone, but applying the tweaks to BOTH phones will still give you a significant difference against the HD, and that difference will be for the most part the increase in power consumption needed to power a 30% larger screen.
The only way the HD can be better than the Pro or equal at the very least is if it has a bigger battery
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Hmmm i'm not sure if you guys are missing the point. sure the display takes a good bit of power but its the processor thats the juicy bit. HTC have said that they have spent a fair amount of time tweaking the processor in the HD to make it more efficient. Sure its the same processor as the touch pro but different firmware software etc. Only time wil tell but its unlikely they're going to ruin a superb device by using underspec componants.
if they have changed the CPU then you maybe right, there is nothing to have stopped them i suppose, but i would still imagin that the back light is the most significant power drawing function bar some wireless connections that is.
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the 1340 refers to the maximum amount of power available on one charge, in this case its the same as the touch pro, doesnt matter what type of battery it is, (although admitidly some batteries are designed for high current, some for low current high duration)
anyhow, the average current draw is specified by HTC, so yes software tweaks can helps this but its important to note that it wont be an average if you do, as features will be disabled or reduced in performance.
its also important to not that those stame tweaks that have helped the Pro would be the same tweaks used on teh HD since its essentially the same phone, but applying the tweaks to BOTH phones will still give you a significant difference against the HD, and that difference will be for the most part the increase in power consumption needed to power a 30% larger screen.
The only way the HD can be better than the Pro or equal at the very least is if it has a bigger battery
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you are right, but on the other hand we don't know what changes have been made on the software. Like Touchflow3d beeing much faster than before, even if its the same specs. You cand take a 900 battery and it cann run longer than a 1340 battery if you do it right with the software. Ofcourse, we can compare the HD to the Diamond or the touch pro, as they have got the same OS and the same Interface. But tweaks in this siystem can reduce the power consumption allot, and i am not talking about thos tweak we, as users can do. The easiest way to find out will be to compare the standby times for example. when the display is off. Or when tweaks to the chips are made which enhace the battery life when connected to UMTS or other things. (such tweaks happpend to many phones, and sometimes meant an increase of around 50-60 percent of battery life!!) Its true that a bigger screen normaly means hiigher power consumption, but most of the power drained comes from the backlight. And even here you can do much.
I hope the things reviewers and testers said so far were right. like the backlight surprisingly using just a glimps of power and the good battery life. they also stated that HTC made improvements to their chipset and thats one of the reasons why its faster and even runs longer with UMTS than with GSM
Could be that its not, but i hope for the best.
ps: on the other hand, i have got an Lg Viewty here. It is a phone, which is said to have a pretty bad battery life, lasting for less than two days with normal usage, and less with heavy one. Strangely i get a battery life of around a week on normal usage and 3 days with heavy use. (normal means: checking mails at least 2 -3 times a day with HSDPA, doing quick surfing on the net and writing around 5 sms a day and answering call and so on..)
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Suppose you had a choice, the Note as it is with 2500ma battery, or my imaginary 6000ma Note. (see attachement).
2500ma to get you through a day with moderate use, or 6000ma for a day of unworried heavy use. (or two or three with normal use)
Kind of difficult without knowing the thickness of your imaginary Note. In any case, one of the reasons the Note's size is so manageable is because of how thin it is.
Considering that I get a full day (~12hrs) out of even heavy use with my note and 35+ hours with normal use, I cant really think why anyone would want to make this have a larger battery...
Using juice defender ultimate and 15% screen brightness.
Also, I cant believe most people dont realize that those crap mugen and other extended batteries are ususally nowhere near their advertised mAh rating. http://batteryboss.org/
A total scam and making people use bigger phones for practically a placebo effect battery life increase.
Aside from the scams...
I would like an official larger battery, fitting in a bit thicker case, this would make it really my dream phone.
My day lasts a bit longer than 12hrs...
I also use Juice Defender, but this just helps when you are not using the phone....
Interesting, but I use an external USB battery pack. This means the phone doesn't have any extra weight. Sure, I have to carry an extra gadget, but it's only when I need it and they make them in all sorts of sizes so it's not much of a compromise.
I think, there is certainly space for a bigger battery, considering it is almost same hardware inside on the S2 it should be plenty of room for a bigger battery. Maybe they could used a bigger battery which was thinner...anyway..if you could always have two batteries an extra battery in your pocket... the battery does not cost much..
But yeah I like if you had the choose to buy a bigger battery like on your picture, and then buy a new back case..
I am happy with the thickness as is and wouldn't want to increase it. I can always use titanium to freeze any apps that I require for little extra reach anyways.
I don't need a 6000mah battery
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Interesting, but I use an external USB battery pack. This means the phone doesn't have any extra weight. Sure, I have to carry an extra gadget, but it's only when I need it and they make them in all sorts of sizes so it's not much of a compromise.
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and so far I would say the Note has better power consumption vs. battery size than my SGSII did.
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Considering that I get a full day (~12hrs) out of even heavy use with my note and 35+ hours with normal use, I cant really think why anyone would want to make this have a larger battery...
Using juice defender ultimate and 15% screen brightness.
Also, I cant believe most people dont realize that those crap mugen and other extended batteries are ususally nowhere near their advertised mAh rating. http://batteryboss.org/
A total scam and making people use bigger phones for practically a placebo effect battery life increase.
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Is that really true? I don't get the impression from the other battery life thread that the Note can last an entire working day without dying. If that's possible then great, but I would appreciate if you can provide just a bit more details about your usage. Let's put it like this, will the Galaxy Note last from 8 AM to 8 PM with my defined usage pattern listed below.
I don't need a battery that will last 2 or more days. I need a phone that will work permit hours of web browsing, 4 push e-mail accounts, and instant messaging running in the background. My iPhone 4 will easily last the entire day thank to the battery case. If it wasn't for my Mophie case, then I wouldn't be able to do it.
Is 15% brightness adequate?
Right.
I had a mophie for my iPhones, a battery pack for my S2, and would like a longer lasting Note. Especially for the Note, since its size invites to keep my desktop turned off.
But the battery included with the Note doesn't survive a whole day of heavy use, just moderate use.
So you have to revert to Juice defenders, mophies and keep an eye on the battery, carry chargers etc.
It would be, at least for me, very convenient and relaxing to have a phone where you don't need to think about power management.
And I think I am not alone.
It would be easy for Samsung to make a longer lasting phone, and it would sell.
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Make 2 versions, 2500 and 5000 for instance....let the people decide !!!
I use my note alot during my workdays. And it last my 8 hour day easy with realy heavy use.
But like today when ive been busy with my machine at work ive just had radio on the whole day and maby got around 1-2 hour of browsing, watching movie, gaming, etc. And after 8 hours my battery is on 75%.
Whats draining most of my battery is the connection with the 3g network and syncing. Using my msn app the whole day will make it drain alot more.
And the screen. If you have the screen on alot it will drain the battery realy fast with high brightness. So the lower you can have the better. The difference between 75% and 25% is huge for me.
And for those that will have more battery power i think a external batterypack is pretty good solution. Ive one for backup for times when i know im going to use my phone much during a long time without the possibility to charge.
Can have my batterypack in my pocket while i use and charge my phone.
a little too thick from the picture but would be nice if the same thickness then i'd go for the 6000ma one or just get another spare battery for the heavy use .
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Is that really true? I don't get the impression from the other battery life thread that the Note can last an entire working day without dying. If that's possible then great, but I would appreciate if you can provide just a bit more details about your usage. Let's put it like this, will the Galaxy Note last from 8 AM to 8 PM with my defined usage pattern listed below.
I don't need a battery that will last 2 or more days. I need a phone that will work permit hours of web browsing, 4 push e-mail accounts, and instant messaging running in the background. My iPhone 4 will easily last the entire day thank to the battery case. If it wasn't for my Mophie case, then I wouldn't be able to do it.
Is 15% brightness adequate?
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It's completely true, once you set the phone up right it has incredible battery life. I'm not talking setting the phone up to be crippled like I have had to do with previous android phones either, this thing just goes. After a day (9hrs) of normal use in my office (texting, surfing and using reddit is fun) My battery was at 80%
People dont set up their phones right, and/or complain about the battery life after spending all the first day with the phone downloading apps and gazing at the beautiful screen are the ones misleading saying this phone has bad battery.
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I use my note alot during my workdays. And it last my 8 hour day easy with realy heavy use.
But like today when ive been busy with my machine at work ive just had radio on the whole day and maby got around 1-2 hour of browsing, watching movie, gaming, etc. And after 8 hours my battery is on 75%.
Whats draining most of my battery is the connection with the 3g network and syncing. Using my msn app the whole day will make it drain alot more.
And the screen. If you have the screen on alot it will drain the battery realy fast with high brightness. So the lower you can have the better. The difference between 75% and 25% is huge for me.
And for those that will have more battery power i think a external batterypack is pretty good solution. Ive one for backup for times when i know im going to use my phone much during a long time without the possibility to charge.
Can have my batterypack in my pocket while i use and charge my phone.
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I agree that using 3G will drain the battery faster, but I didn't subscribe to adapts connection and then exclusively use wifi.
Is 25% screen brightness adequate for outside viewing?
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SNiiPE_DoGG said:
It's completely true, once you set the phone up right it has incredible battery life. I'm not talking setting the phone up to be crippled like I have had to do with previous android phones either, this thing just goes. After a day (9hrs) of normal use in my office (texting, surfing and using reddit is fun) My battery was at 80%
People dont set up their phones right, and/or complain about the battery life after spending all the first day with the phone downloading apps and gazing at the beautiful screen are the ones misleading saying this phone has bad battery.
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I totally appreciate your feedback here, but can you be specific about the settings that you're using to achieve such great battery life?
Is 15% brightness enough for outside viewing?
Also interested in what "set the phone up right" means
All of above that, you need to find a good kernel to be developed.
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The Samsung Galaxy S2 has horrible battery life. The 1650mah battery will not suffice to anyone but light users.
In my eyes, there are many unacceptable solutions:
- Disabling battery hungry features (lowering screen brightness, undervolting CPU, uninstalling certains apps, disabling real-time sync, etc.) - I find this compromise unacceptable, I bought this device to use it with all its glory.
- Using a larger extended battery - I find this solution unacceptable, since in order for a poweruser to get through the day, at least a 3000mah battery is required. Such a battery, although exist for the S2, adds significant weight and bulk. The device becomes ugly and uncomfortable to carry around.
- Upgrading to a device with much better battery life - currently there are two, the Motorola Maxx, which I find ugly, and the Samsung Note 2, which is realy big to handle...
So, after much thought and experimentation, I finally want to report my success story (yes it's an old solution, but somehow most don't understand its enourmous power): I'm using a secondary battery. I bought another original 1650mah battery (with a seperate charger). The 1650mah battery is very light and small, so it easily fits inside my very small wallet. When I need to switch (middle day), I clocked the switch at just under 60 seconds (from pressing the power off button, to being able to fully use the device again with a fresh battery including the rubber case installed).
This is such a simple solution, it has practically zero drawbacks (If you don't mind losing 60 seconds of your life everyday...), it gives you the equivalent of a 3300mah battery (which is much more than any extended battery advertized as being 3300mah, even Mugen's), yet so few people use it...
wowwww you wrote all this just to tell us you have a secondary battery.
I know, it seems like an overkill but really, I spent 1.5 years trying to solve the S2 battery problem without huge compromises (and everything else apart from a secondary battery is a huge compromise), and I can only regret I didn't read a post like mine...
u wasted ur 1,5 years for just a secondary batt??? do u know how funny u're...
how about having a micro USB powerbank??
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S 2's battery actually doesn't suck. It is better than most of android phones.
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Noam23 said:
I know, it seems like an overkill but really, I spent 1.5 years trying to solve the S2 battery problem without huge compromises (and everything else apart from a secondary battery is a huge compromise), and I can only regret I didn't read a post like mine...
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samsungs 2000mah extended battery iis realy good its just pricey
Don't see how this 'sollution' is from a different category than the other ones you've stated.. It all depends on the user, and what he/she knows about saving battery without UC and stuff.
Maybe you would last longer with one battery if your stories would be shorter
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Donnie Sins said:
Don't see how this 'sollution' is from a different category than the other ones you've stated.. It all depends on the user, and what he/she knows about saving battery without UC and stuff.
Maybe you would last longer with one battery if your stories would be shorter
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I thought I made it clear why the extra battery is a solution of a different category
- It allows you to have all the phone's features ON.
- It allows you to enjoy its comfortable, light and slick original design.
- It allows you to enjoy the equivalent of a *true* 3300mah battery.
- Minimal fuss (60 sec battery switch).
Nothing can come close to such a solution (for a power user who needs a long lasting phone). Practically no drawbacks, only benefits (in comparison to any other solution, which always present a severe compromise).
I think it's rather a good advice, than a "solution". And indeed, this is a feature you will miss whent it's gone: The replaceable battery. I've bought the 2000 mAh battery by Samsung. So I have the greater battery plus a secondary one, if needed.
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I think it's rather a good advice, than a "solution". And indeed, this is a feature you will miss whent it's gone: The replaceable battery. I boght the 2000 mAh battery by Samsung. So I have the greater battery plus a secondary one, if needed.
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I agree, the word "advice" is more appropriate
Btw, are the 1650mah and 2000mah batteries interchangeable ? I thought they use different battery cover...
Noam23 said:
The Samsung Galaxy S2 has horrible battery life. The 1650mah battery will not suffice to anyone but light users.
In my eyes, there are many unacceptable solutions:
- Disabling battery hungry features (lowering screen brightness, undervolting CPU, uninstalling certains apps, disabling real-time sync, etc.) - I find this compromise unacceptable, I bought this device to use it with all its glory.
- Using a larger extended battery - I find this solution unacceptable, since in order for a poweruser to get through the day, at least a 3000mah battery is required. Such a battery, although exist for the S2, adds significant weight and bulk. The device becomes ugly and uncomfortable to carry around.
- Upgrading to a device with much better battery life - currently there are two, the Motorola Maxx, which I find ugly, and the Samsung Note 2, which is realy big to handle...
So, after much thought and experimentation, I finally want to report my success story (yes it's an old solution, but somehow most don't understand its enourmous power): I'm using a secondary battery. I bought another original 1650mah battery (with a seperate charger). The 1650mah battery is very light and small, so it easily fits inside my very small wallet. When I need to switch (middle day), I clocked the switch at just under 60 seconds (from pressing the power off button, to being able to fully use the device again with a fresh battery including the rubber case installed).
This is such a simple solution, it has practically zero drawbacks (If you don't mind losing 60 seconds of your life everyday...), it gives you the equivalent of a 3300mah battery (which is much more than any extended battery advertized as being 3300mah, even Mugen's), yet so few people use it...
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you still have to carry the cover everywhere too.
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you really cant notice the samsung extended battery is any bigger, especially if you have a case on your phone then it is impossible to tell. Much better than carrying and charging two batteries imo!
I dont have the extended battery and when using my phone hard over the day i can get 5 hours screen time on standard size anker battery. Have you tried using BBS to workout why your battery life is soo poor?
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you still have to carry the cover everywhere too.
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What do you mean "carry the cover everywhere" ? which cover ? I only carry the additional 1650mah battery in my wallet...
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you really cant notice the samsung extended battery is any bigger, especially if you have a case on your phone then it is impossible to tell. Much better than carrying and charging two batteries imo!
I dont have the extended battery and when using my phone hard over the day i can get 5 hours screen time on standard size anker battery. Have you tried using BBS to workout why your battery life is soo poor?
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But you can't compare two 1650mah batteries to one 2000mah battery... the 3300mah solution gives you 65% more juice...
Regarding carrying an additional 1650mah battery, it's so small and light (30 grams) that after putting it in my wallet I forget about it completely. Charging two batteries is no fuss at all, if you have a seperate battery charger.
You are getting 5 hours screen time on 1650mah battery ? for me this is impossible, while every feature is ON (real time sync, auto brightness, facebook app, normal volt, constant 3G connection) I get this amount from two batteries (but the phone operates much more than 5 hours, more like 20). I do have bad reception at my work, which might drain the battery more.
2000+1650 battery is better than your solution, lol
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2000+1650 battery is better than your solution, lol
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And 2000 + 2000 is even better
But really, 3300mah is more than anyone would require in 1 day. It's really an overkill in itself (it's more than the Note 2 battery, and for a much smaller screen...).
you forgot the 1650 battery that came with the phone & money spent in vain?!
How do you charge both of the batteries? I mean you have one s2, or you use external charger to charge extra battery?
And My S2 lasts a day with 3hour of music, 4hour of screentime! No undervolting or compromise, Wifi n Data mostly on, I even use Google Now! Stweaks settings for best performance!
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How do you charge both of the batteries? I mean you have one s2, or you use external charger to charge extra battery?
And My S2 lasts a day with 3hour of music, 4hour of screentime! No undervolting or compromise, Wifi n Data mostly on, I even use Google Now! Stweaks settings for best performance!
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Yes, I use external charger to charge the extra battery ($10 on ebay), and another $25 for the extra original 1650mah battery.
I think the battery life has a lot to do with the signal quality, and the signal sucks at my workplace (also, if you are using WIFI instead of 3G you'll again save a lot in battery, but I'm using 3G...).
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Yes, I use external charger to charge the extra battery ($10 on ebay), and another $25 for the extra original 1650mah battery.
I think the battery life has a lot to do with the signal quality, and the signal sucks at my workplace (also, if you are using WIFI instead of 3G you'll again save a lot in battery, but I'm using 3G...).
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I use both, but mostly Wifi.
Edit: And I don't like keeping it on minimum brightness, it kinda changes colors in S Amoled. White seems yellowish, grey becomes something else, so I keep it around 35-40%
I had the note 3 the battery was terrible and i really thought we'd be getting atleast 4000mah as some websites stated but 3220mah aren't you guys concern? Seems like a joke to me.
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I was under the impression that the Note 3 had pretty good battery life... at least that was what I was able to discern from reviews.
Can someone else who also owned the Note 3 chime in?
Watch this and you won't be concerned about battery any more:
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&sour...Ot9BGMeI02GwNY_Zw&sig2=jB_BFvUf5EMKyJdT_ZwXOw
This video shows that the Galaxy S5 with Snapdragon 805 and QHD Display doesn't use more battery than the "old" Galaxy S5. So Samsung seems to have found good ways for battery saving.
I am not concern. I plan to get 2 extra battery and a external charger. The Note 3 version was like $30. Whick brand is good? Anker?
pcman2000 said:
I was under the impression that the Note 3 had pretty good battery life... at least that was what I was able to discern from reviews.
Can someone else who also owned the Note 3 chime in?
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You would be correct. The Note 3 Battery life was pretty damn good. I never had issues with it, and if you look over the N3 forum you'll see some pretty outstanding results :good:
I expect the N4 to have been tweaked a little and the battery to be either on par or at least very very similar to the N3.
sofia-captivate said:
I had the note 3 the battery was terrible and i really thought we'd be getting atleast 4000mah as some websites stated but 3220mah aren't you guys concern? Seems like a joke to me.
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The Note 3 was widely regarded as having some of the best battery life for any phone of that time.
If anything wall hugging iphone users have something to be worried about with their copycat device, "Retina HD" welcome to 2012 Apple and the battery size, hardly a mention because we KNOW its smaller than Samsungs.
My note 3 has pretty decent battery life. Just make sure to disable a bunch of stuff that you don't need for best results.
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sofia-captivate said:
I had the note 3 the battery was terrible and i really thought we'd be getting atleast 4000mah as some websites stated but 3220mah aren't you guys concern? Seems like a joke to me.
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since 4.4.2 update WiFi battery usage increased. so i got battery drain...
But i change setting to turn off WiFi when screen off and Battery Life became normal
On Note 4 they claimed for more optimization for power + UltraPower Saving mode...
so we have to wait for reviews and our experiences...
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Even though I was disappointed they didn't include a bigger battery, I'm not concerned about battery usage on Note 4. I don't think they would've made a big deal about battery usage the and better performance on the Note 4, if they didn't have something to back that up. It would've been much simpler to not mention the 7% improvement, or just say they increased the battery by 20mAh. I'm expecting a somewhat better performance compared to the Note 3, which is fine.
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Even though I was disappointed they didn't include a bigger battery, I'm not concerned about battery usage on Note 4. I don't think they would've made a big deal about battery usage the and better performance on the Note 4, if they didn't have something to back that up. It would've been much simpler to not mention the 7% improvement, or just say they increased the battery by 20mAh. I'm expecting a somewhat better performance compared to the Note 3, which is fine.
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The battery is still bigger than the iphone 6+'s and you can always swap it out and with quick charge feature 0-50% in 30 minutes, how long does an iphone take?
It's not how big the battery is, but how it's used. I have Note 3 and I saw as much as 40% drain overnight, when phone was not used at all, right after updating to KitKat and I also managed to have as little as 1% drain overnight, after killing some of bloatware. I can't pinpoint anything in particular, but it could be more than one program. Right now for example Google search is draining my battery more than all other programs combined and I'm not doing anything with the phone at all. I don't want to kill it, since I use it sometimes, but if it keeps doing it I may have no choice. Anyhow if Note 3 is working properly it can have fantastic battery life.
According to what I read so far Note 4 screen should be something like 14% more efficient than older version, despite having higher resolution, CPU and rest of hardware should be at last as good as older models and there should be ultra power saving mode, so I wouldn't worry about power that much, unless some program or programs crash and go bananas, but at least software issues can be fixed, just a matter of effort. For example many claim factory reset fixes excessive battery drain right after firmware update, which I had personally.
If you are concerned, you could always buy a ZeroLemon battery.
Here's the report on Note 4 screen. Remember display consumes the most energy of anything.
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note4_ShootOut_1.htm
Comparison with the Galaxy Note 3:
The Galaxy Note 4 is 14 percent more power efficient than the Galaxy Note 3. This is due primarily to a 19 percent improvement
in the power efficiency of the Green Primary channel (materials and electronics). The results are scaled for the same Luminance.
Comparison with LCDs:
While LCDs remain more power efficient for images with mostly white content (like text screens, for example), OLEDs are now
more power efficient for mixed image content because they are emissive displays so their power varies with the Average Picture
Level (average Brightness) of the image content. For LCDs the display power is independent of image content. OLEDs have
been rapidly improving in their power efficiency. In fact, the Galaxy Note 4 is 40 percent more power efficient than the
Full HD LCD Smartphones we tested for mixed image content (that includes photos, videos, and movies, for example)
with a typical 50 percent Average Picture Level, APL.
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SOC should use the same power as other Snapdragon 805 powered devices (hint: Qualcomm generally makes pretty power efficient smartphones).
Hi,
I recently bought the Moto X Pure Edition. Overall I am very pleased with it however there is one thing that constantly bugs me. The battery life is absolutely terrible. I'd seen no mention of this before I bought the device but having bought it, I'm realizing how terrible it is. I only get around 2-2.5 hours of screen on time. This is even worse than the moto g 2014 I owned before which i could easily get 3 hours with. Are other people having similar experiences and are there any potential solutions?
Also, can you guys suggest some custom ROMs for me with great battery life and very stable? Thanks!
Try TruPureXMM, it has the best battery life among other roms, AFAIK. Well, that's because it is based on stock. Try it out for yourself.
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Am on stock and battery life is terrible. Can hardly end with 3h max with a full charge. And am one of those that stops most of the moto actions, low brightness, no wi-fi all time etc but still its worst battery life I've seen on a mobile. I think it has to do with the big screen it has!
xxhunterxx11 said:
Try TruPureXMM, it has the best battery life among other roms, AFAIK. Well, that's because it is based on stock. Try it out for yourself.
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What changes does it have from stock?
BruceWayne54 said:
What changes does it have from stock?
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It is debloated (forgot the others lol). Check the thread to see all the information you need.
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check out frankenkernel. I get 5Hrs of SoT
I have a brand-new XT 1572 (on stock) and would not call its battery life terrible. I'm getting 5 hours continuous SoT on WiFi (not sure people are using the term "SoT" consistently - if the phone is on for 24 hours, I'd expect to get less than 5 hours SoT; same when I'm on a 4G connection, particularly a bad one). Not great, but acceptable (and not unexpected in light of XT 157x reviews).
I have a shortcut to Settings - battery on my home screen which I check frequently (while I'm in the process of getting familiar with the phone), I have OS Monitor on my home screen, and I occasionally check "running services" under "Developer Options". I use Nova Launcher which makes it very easy to force-stop an app just by long-tapping it, hitting "App info" and then stopping it.
All of this has caused me to uninstall a few power-hogging apps which I probably did not need in the first place; I also find I need to occasionally force-stop apps such as Neutron.
In an average day, from 6am-10pm of mixed WiFi/LTE usage I get about 3 hours total screen on time, and the majority of the time I have good-excellect signal strength... If I have average to poor signal strength, 2-2.5 hours SOT is normal. On WiFi with continuous usage I get 4+ hours. This is normal.
Sorry, but the battery life of this phone, especially if used in bright light or outdoors, is just not good. The display is gorgeous, but it is an unbelievable battery hog.
I have tried many ROMs and all have worse batter then stock... TruPureXMM is debloated stock but the battery life isn't much different because it's the screen that takes 80-90% of the power, no rom can change that.
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In an average day, from 6am-10pm of mixed WiFi/LTE usage I get about 3 hours total screen on time, and the majority of the time I have good-excellect signal strength... If I have average to poor signal strength, 2-2.5 hours SOT is normal. On WiFi with continuous usage I get 4+ hours. This is normal.
Sorry, but the battery life of this phone, especially if used in bright light or outdoors, is just not good. The display is gorgeous, but it is an unbelievable battery hog.
I have tried many ROMs and all have worse batter then stock... TruPureXMM is debloated stock but the battery life isn't much different because it's the screen that takes 80-90% of the power, no rom can change that.
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I don't disagree with you - I call it "acceptable", you call it "just not good". I'd stop (far) short of calling it "terrible, terrible" though - and let's face it, this is why the device sells at the price point it does - which, to me, right now, is (a) close to the limit of what I'm prepared to pay for a smartphone and (b) great value for money. I'd rather be close to a charger or battery pack (in fact, I ordered a slim battery pack when I ordered the phone) with this phone at all times than owning a different phone (in this price range) with better battery life but other challenges/compromises I need to take. This devices's predecessor (for me) was the LG G3 - same thing, except that this device actually works.
acejavelin said:
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I have tried many ROMs and all have worse batter then stock... TruPureXMM is debloated stock but the battery life isn't much different because it's the screen that takes 80-90% of the power, no rom can change that.
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I completely agree with the above. Thats main reason I havent used a custom Rom yet and still waiting for Stock 7 realease (hopefully we see it within the next 2 months) before trying a custom rom yet.
But i wanted to ask a question about the screen taking all that ℅ in the battery drain:
I remember i read somewhere in another thread an option that changes the screen resolution to FHD 1080 instead of QHD. You think that really makes the screen battery drain lighter or it doesnt matter !?
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I don't disagree with you - I call it "acceptable", you call it "just not good". I'd stop (far) short of calling it "terrible, terrible" though - and let's face it, this is why the device sells at the price point it does - which, to me, right now, is (a) close to the limit of what I'm prepared to pay for a smartphone and (b) great value for money. I'd rather be close to a charger or battery pack (in fact, I ordered a slim battery pack when I ordered the phone) with this phone at all times than owning a different phone (in this price range) with better battery life but other challenges/compromises I need to take. This devices's predecessor (for me) was the LG G3 - same thing, except that this device actually works.
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My prior phones were an LG G2 and an LG G4 and I was thinking that my 6 month old 2015 MXPE had good battery life. I'm not sure I have ever had a phone that lasted all day. I need to stop buying sub par phones I guess. My Pixel XL (once it gets here) will hopefully fix that.
This is from stock 6.0 - May 2016 Patches - using it on Verizon network
From GSam Battery Monitor, since August 15, 2016:
Averages Per Complete Charge -
Battery Life: 1d 5.3h (8h 29m Active)
Screen On: 3h 56m (5h 11m Max)
I pretty much just charge my phone for 45 - 50 minutes a day at work and do not leave it on the charger any longer than it has to be.
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I completely agree with the above. Thats main reason I havent used a custom Rom yet and still waiting for Stock 7 realease (hopefully we see it within the next 2 months) before trying a custom rom yet.
But i wanted to ask a question about the screen taking all that ℅ in the battery drain:
I remember i read somewhere in another thread an option that changes the screen resolution to FHD 1080 instead of QHD. You think that really makes the screen battery drain lighter or it doesnt matter !?
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If you read thread I believe that only worked on Lollipop... People who did it on Marshmallow claimed it made no difference.
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If you read thread I believe that only worked on Lollipop... People who did it on Marshmallow claimed it made no difference.
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Yea, I was trying that method on Marshmallow. No positive changes on battery life, but got negative impact on Moto Display, it was to ugly for me to use.
phony_user said:
I don't disagree with you - I call it "acceptable", you call it "just not good". I'd stop (far) short of calling it "terrible, terrible" though - and let's face it, this is why the device sells at the price point it does - which, to me, right now, is (a) close to the limit of what I'm prepared to pay for a smartphone and (b) great value for money. I'd rather be close to a charger or battery pack (in fact, I ordered a slim battery pack when I ordered the phone) with this phone at all times than owning a different phone (in this price range) with better battery life but other challenges/compromises I need to take. This devices's predecessor (for me) was the LG G3 - same thing, except that this device actually works.
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Eh, to each there own... My previous phone was a Moto G 2015, it easily got 5 hours SOT in a day with battery to spare, so to me the battery life on the X is poor, but not terrible... I also carry mini power stick for charging on the go, and a QC adapter.
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In an average day, from 6am-10pm of mixed WiFi/LTE usage I get about 3 hours total screen on time, and the majority of the time I have good-excellect signal strength... If I have average to poor signal strength, 2-2.5 hours SOT is normal. On WiFi with continuous usage I get 4+ hours. This is normal.
Sorry, but the battery life of this phone, especially if used in bright light or outdoors, is just not good. The display is gorgeous, but it is an unbelievable battery hog.
I have tried many ROMs and all have worse batter then stock... TruPureXMM is debloated stock but the battery life isn't much different because it's the screen that takes 80-90% of the power, no rom can change that.
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How about frankenclark with ghostpepper?
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How about frankenclark with ghostpepper?
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What about it? Kernels, roms, etc, can't do anything about how much power the display uses, it's like trying to make a 100w light bulb use 40 watts... they can only effect other things like SOC, syncing, etc.
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What about it? Kernels, roms, etc, can't do anything about how much power the display uses, it's like trying to make a 100w light bulb use 40 watts... they can only effect other things like SOC, syncing, etc.
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I agree here. A 5.7" screen will require more power just to light up. As far as changing resolution, you are still powering a 5.7" display. You might notice some slight difference in battery (and maybe fps) when playing games, but it is really related to going a little easier on the chips.
I'm still on true pure, not even the most recent build, and I could always get a day and a half of battery use, or at least a full day with moderate use.
Hey folks, just wanted to chime in on this. I had the phone since it's release and got around 5 to 6 hours of SoT with WiFi, GPS enabled (but not while using maps lol) and brightness set to about 50%. Battery life has gotten worse with each update and now I am waiting for Android 7 and I will reset my phone after it's installed.
Btw I disable any build in app that I don't use and uninstall apps that use to much battery in the background.
Am on Telsa 03/02 Build. And the battery life is as good as Stock. 3hrs SOT on LTE with Data ON the whole time and 4hrs SOT on WiFi. All the while keeping GPS ON High Accuracy and Ambient display.
No Greenify or any other battery booster.
The performance is better than Stock and all the features working near perfectly. It's a good choice, you get to use Nougat without really compromising the battery much.
Here is the post: https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...ms-validus-t3561477/post71196401#post71196401
Also I have recently changed the resolution to 1080p. It doesn't increase battery life much but definitely boosts the performance.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...ing-screen-t3190234/post71194289#post71194289
All I can say is, despite the battery life being poor, you have TurboPower charger which definitely saves the day. The phone charges from 10% to 100% within half n hour.
Are there any current generation (17/18+) phones that allow you to easily change the battery?
It seems crazy to buy a phone you know will need replacing in two years when the battery starts to sag.
I occasionally wish my Note 3 had a better camera but aside from that it seems like it beats any modern equivalent. Good screen size, great CPU / RAM. Stylus (not that I use it much) and most important of all, the ability to easily hotswap a new battery! I always carry a spare battery with me in case I feel like an extended heavy use session (with light use the battery will easily last 1.5 days).
Maybe modern phones would do it better but I can't believe heavy use wouldn't still result in a dead battery before the day is out (and then having to rely on bulky power packs to recharge if you're out and about).
Not the place to ask about other models.