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Just wanted to know what service plans would be good for JasJar in the USA.
I use T-Mobile but of course we americans are lagging behind on mobile technology communications. I find I cannot use half of the features and it doesnt even have EDGE support. So wondering if any of you have T-Mobile in the USA and what service/internet plans are you using? :?:
I find I cannot use half of the features
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That's a bit of an exageration. The only thing you cannot use is 2100MHz UTMS. Everything else works fine.
You really only have Cingular and T-Mobile from which to pick in the US. Cingular has more coverage, but there are some 850MHz areas where the JasJar will not function as a phone. The TMo $20 unlimited gprs plan is pretty sweet. As others have lamented, the only thing this phone is missing (mostly for those of us on this side of the pond) is a quad-band radio, and EDGE or 1900MHz UTMS.
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The TMo $20 unlimited gprs plan is pretty sweet.
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I definitely have to second this. I've looked at other plans, Cingular as well as going something "non-sim" before I got the Jasjar, and nothing seemed to come close to the $20 unlimited data with TMo. My minutes and data combined with TMo are less than the unlimited data alone with some others.
It all depends on your needs though. I don't spend a lot of time in areas that aren't covered by TMo, so that issue is moot and price can play a larger factor for me.
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ahh I see your point. I just got the $20.00 unlimited data plan. Is there anything special needed to get it started. Does anybody know if Tmo will start coming out with 3G networks?
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xda_dev said:
ahh I see your point. I just got the $20.00 unlimited data plan. Is there anything special needed to get it started. Does anybody know if Tmo will start coming out with 3G networks?
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Unfortunately, the news on 3G networks in the USA is not very good for us Universal owners. Cingular has already started to implement their 3G service in a few markets in the US and will be expanding their 3G service in 2006. I haven't heard anything about T-Mobile's 3G plans yet. Unfortunately, however, Cingular's 3G network works at 1900MHz and T-Mobile's most likely will as well. This means that even if Cingular or T-Mobile provide 3G service the Universal won't work with it, because the Universal only supports 3G at 2100MHz.
In the US, the 2100MHz band currently belongs to the US Military and there are rumors that that band may be made available to cell phone providers in 2007, but even if that happens, but the time the band is available and the service providers start using it I'm sure that my universal will be obsolete.
I'm using a Universal in the USA right now, but I don't expect to ever be able to use it on a 3G network here.
Brett
EDGE on MDA Pro/JasJar
So you're saying EDGE won't work on the MDA Pro? According to T-Mobile, EDGE is already in place in most of its US network. Also, GPRS to EDGE from the providers standpoint basically involved a software update. Can this be done on the MDA Pro as well?
One final question. Anyone know how I can find out if my MDA Pro has the latest rom and where to get updates. My phone came from Germany (T-Mobile)?
The Universal does not do Edge afaik. The HTC Wizzard does do edge. So the only difference between the two for US users (who cant use 2100MHz UMTS) is the low res screen on the wizzard, and the fact that the wizzard is a whole lot more portable. Oh and the mini SD port!
Here in the UK, none of the networks support edge, which is a bit of a pain for wizzard owners! I would have had a wizzard for the smaller size if edge were available in UK, or if wizzard was 3G !
Nigel
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If I choose then to sell may MDA Pro, what would you recommend as being the most comparable item that will at least work with EDGE and UMTS @ 1900 in the USA. I am otherwise very satisfied but one reason why I paid a premium price was to have something that would not be obsolete too soon, be able to work with the next generation (3G) and be downward compatible (EDGE, GPRS).
I am happily using T-Mobile in the USA. I bought the jasjar knowing that I would be limited to GPRS on the data side. Its many other advantages make the compromise worth it to me.
I am happily using T-Mobile in the USA. I bought the jasjar knowing that I would be limited to GPRS on the data side. Its many other advantages make the compromise worth it to me.
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I too am using my JasJar with T-Mobile in the US and am quite happy with the service. I recognize that I will not be able to use 3G with this device, but I'm OK with that. For me the features of the device far outweigh that single drawback.
Soon it's time for me to get a phone upgrade for one of the two HTC vogues on my contract, so Bell called me and asked me if I thought about it and I told them I was putting the upgrade credit towards an iPhone. They told me I need to upgrade my plan to a data plan. I told them I had a smartphone already and they said the HTC Touch was designed to look and act like a smartphone but Bell doesn't count it as a smartphone
Now to get my a new phone I have to be on atleast a 500mb a month data plan. 500MB a month?! I don't know but I think I would use that in like a day. I use the internet on my phone quite a bit, I use the last.fm app and push email is on 24/7. To make things worse I can't check how much transfer I use a month now, because Bell's data checker is wrong, it says I only use 15mb, when I've downloaded files larger than 50mb on my phone.
I have no idea what to do
Well,
If you like what your phone does. Why not keep it. You can use the latest WinMo builds on it. I don't know. Just my thoughts.
Don't change it. Data charges will go through the roof.
I'm torn, because the htc dream I'm looking at has tons of nice features, but I don't know how fast I would consume 500mb.
Then i suggest going with the dream but disabling the "cellular network data connection". That way you'll be able to use calendar, email and such (yay for cache-ing data!)... but not google maps. That f'in sucks, i know.
well if there data counter s wrong then get the 500mb plan they will only say you used like 40mb right lol. j/k
it seems you are in a situation.....
Download a data monitoring program. Look at what you use after a month and decide if 500mb will suffice.
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Download a data monitoring program. Look at what you use after a month and decide if 500mb will suffice.
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That is a brilliant suggestion, but unfortunately the 2 I tried netcounter and rocket data aren't compatible with my vogue
I'm not sure what to do, really! I would LOVE to have a larger screen and hardware keyboard, but if I need more than 500mb, well, I need more than 500mb. Ah!
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I'm torn, because the htc dream I'm looking at has tons of nice features, but I don't know how fast I would consume 500mb.
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Wait - Bell has the HTC Dream??
Ok checked their site mid post and they do not have the HTC dream...
Also for the HTC Vogue - the reason it isn't considered a PDA by Bell (from what I've heard) is more marketing than anything. The wanted to release a PDA with cheap data to get customers in contracts during the just-pre-ipone era.
I am on Bell and got my Touch on release day. Bell does consider it a smart phone. However, they allow a customer with a Touch to add the Unlimited Mobile Browser which is normally limited to dumbphones with WAP browsers only.
The reason they did this was because Rogers was releasing the iPhone a few days after the Touch release( in Canada ). The Touch, being the closest thing to an iPhone hardware wise at the time ( all screen, no keyboard ). Bell decided to sell the Touch for cheap AND give it a VERY cheap unlimited data plan. 5$. Yes, unlimited data on the Vogue with Bell was 5 $. and it worked. The Touch was sold out all over the place here and there are many, many Bell Touch owners because of this.
It has since been raised to $7 and $10 data plans, depending if you're on contract or not. This was a one time shot and in the 2 years since Bell has done this, they have never done it again with any other smart device.
So, if you get rid of the vogue, you have to go to their new absurd data plans. IMO stick with your vogue, it is still the best phone that BEll carries with a 7$ Unlimited Data Plan; you can't beat that.
Also, in reagrds to the incorrect data usage displaying on your bill; Bell caps each data session at 0.0391MB. So even if you DL 100mb file, it sill still only show 0.0391MB for that session. Why? I don't know, but I'm sure someone much smarter then me can tell you why carriers do this. If you want to track your data usage, use SPB Wireless Monitor as it does work on the Touch.
EDIT: These are the devices that Bell carries that allow the 5, 7 and 10 dollar unlimited data plans.
AUDIOVOX
8930
HTC
Touch
KYOCERA
3245
LG
150, 325, 385, 6200, Bliss, Chocolate, Fusic, Musiq, Reveal / Shimmer, Rumour, Rumour 2, Shine, Vantage, Voyager, Wine, Xenon
MOTOROLA
e815, Hint, KRZR, RAZR v3c, RAZR2 v9m, ROKR Z6m
NOKIA
2730, 2855i, 6350
SAMSUNG
a580 ,a640 ,a900, a920, m230 (Phoenix), m300, m320, m500, m510, m530, m610, m620, r610, r651 (Vice), u740, Cleo, Impact, Instinct, Link, Reclaim
SANYO
2300, 2400, 7000, 7050, 7500, 8300, Katana, Katana LX, Katana Eclipse, Pro 200, Pro 700, S1
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I am on Bell and got my Touch on release day. Bell does consider it a smart phone. However, they allow a customer with a Touch to add the Unlimited Mobile Browser which is normally limited to dumbphones with WAP browsers only.
The reason they did this was because Rogers was releasing the iPhone a few days after the Touch release( in Canada ). The Touch, being the closest thing to an iPhone hardware wise at the time ( all screen, no keyboard ). Bell decided to sell the Touch for cheap AND give it a VERY cheap unlimited data plan. 5$. Yes, unlimited data on the Vogue with Bell was 5 $. and it worked. The Touch was sold out all over the place here and there are many, many Bell Touch owners because of this.
It has since been raised to $7 and $10 data plans, depending if you're on contract or not. This was a one time shot and in the 2 years since Bell has done this, they have never done it again with any other smart device.
So, if you get rid of the vogue, you have to go to their new absurd data plans. IMO stick with your vogue, it is still the best phone that BEll carries with a 7$ Unlimited Data Plan; you can't beat that.
Also, in reagrds to the incorrect data usage displaying on your bill; Bell caps each data session at 0.0391MB. So even if you DL 100mb file, it sill still only show 0.0391MB for that session. Why? I don't know, but I'm sure someone much smarter then me can tell you why carriers do this. If you want to track your data usage, use SPB Wireless Monitor as it does work on the Touch.
EDIT: These are the devices that Bell carries that allow the 5, 7 and 10 dollar unlimited data plans.
AUDIOVOX
8930
HTC
Touch
KYOCERA
3245
LG
150, 325, 385, 6200, Bliss, Chocolate, Fusic, Musiq, Reveal / Shimmer, Rumour, Rumour 2, Shine, Vantage, Voyager, Wine, Xenon
MOTOROLA
e815, Hint, KRZR, RAZR v3c, RAZR2 v9m, ROKR Z6m
NOKIA
2730, 2855i, 6350
SAMSUNG
a580 ,a640 ,a900, a920, m230 (Phoenix), m300, m320, m500, m510, m530, m610, m620, r610, r651 (Vice), u740, Cleo, Impact, Instinct, Link, Reclaim
SANYO
2300, 2400, 7000, 7050, 7500, 8300, Katana, Katana LX, Katana Eclipse, Pro 200, Pro 700, S1
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Wow, thanks for telling me this If I am doing something, such as having background data (with google sync) would that be affected by the maximum session rule? I don't know what exactly a session is
plemen said:
Wait - Bell has the HTC Dream??
Ok checked their site mid post and they do not have the HTC dream...
Also for the HTC Vogue - the reason it isn't considered a PDA by Bell (from what I've heard) is more marketing than anything. The wanted to release a PDA with cheap data to get customers in contracts during the just-pre-ipone era.
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No, I got the device from ebay
There is no actual data limit per session or a "maximum session rule". It's just how its recorded by the system and displayed backto you. Even if you call TCARE or text TCARE it will show this deflated value. Session is when your phone dials #777 to connect to data. Under WinMo you can see this by clicking on your data icon on the status bar. It will show you that you're connected and the current session time. Now, don't be fooled thinking that the system does not fully register your total usage and expect to get away with tehering etc ( on a non safe ROM ) cause you will indeed be billed for actual usage.
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There is no actual data limit per session or a "maximum session rule". It's just how its recorded by the system and displayed backto you. Even if you call TCARE or text TCARE it will show this deflated value. Session is when your phone dials #777 to connect to data. Under WinMo you can see this by clicking on your data icon on the status bar. It will show you that you're connected and the current session time. Now, don't be fooled thinking that the system does not fully register your total usage and expect to get away with tehering etc ( on a non safe ROM ) cause you will indeed be billed for actual usage.
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But I mean, if I have background data in Android running, with the gmail sync, is that going to eat up my 500mb
Yes it will.
argh, I have no idea what I'm going to do then.
I think I need to hear what other people do with android and how much data they consume
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But I mean, if I have background data in Android running, with the gmail sync, is that going to eat up my 500mb
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If you are asking will just background data and emails and casually surfing the net eat up 500mb, then no not even close.
But if your a "power user" and your downloading MP3's watching youtube and streaming lastfm, then yes you will definitely go over.
As well the original reason for the Vogue to be non smartphone was because it did not have a keyboard. The Vogue was the first phone in NA (I believe) to be an entirely touch interface with no physical keyboard/dialpad. It was this reasoning that they did not believe it to be a true smart phone, and honestly given one WinMo 6.0 they were pretty much right lol
The iPhone was not available until July 11 2008 from Rogers, the touch has been out since July 2007 and was released to Bell sometime in the fall of 2007.
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If you are asking will just background data and emails and casually surfing the net eat up 500mb, then no not even close.
But if your a "power user" and your downloading MP3's watching youtube and streaming lastfm, then yes you will definitely go over.
As well the original reason for the Vogue to be non smartphone was because it did not have a keyboard. The Vogue was the first phone in NA (I believe) to be an entirely touch interface with no physical keyboard/dialpad. It was this reasoning that they did not believe it to be a true smart phone, and honestly given one WinMo 6.0 they were pretty much right lol
The iPhone was not available until July 11 2008 from Rogers, the touch has been out since July 2007 and was released to Bell sometime in the fall of 2007.
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I think I could give up last.fm for the larger screen and hardware keyboard
Thanks for your reply
Now I just have to figure out how to make the dream work with Bell software wise, I think I have to make it dial 777 or something
As far as I know, Bell now has a full GSM network... no extra config should be needed to get a GPRS/EGDE/HSPA connection... should just work outta the box with a Bell SIM card
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As far as I know, Bell now has a full GSM network... no extra config should be needed to get a GPRS/EGDE/HSPA connection... should just work outta the box with a Bell SIM card
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Bell does have a new network, however it is not GSM. It does however use sim cards. The new network is HSPA+/UMTS and only supports dual band of 850/1900. This is different then the GSM/GPRS/EDGE Quad-band (850/900/1800/1900 MHz) and any devices that use these bands will not work on the new Telus and Bell network.
Example:
A GSM (850/1900 MHz) device will not work on Bell/Telus
A HSPA/UMTS (850/1900 MHz) will work on Bell/Telus.
The NA version of the HTC Dream that rogers carries happens to support HSDPA/UMTS dual-band (850/1900 MHZ) and will work on Bell and Telus' new network. However, popping a bell sim card into a Rogers HTC dream will not make it work. You will need to have the device unlocked and then you will need to contact Bell and give them the ESN to activate on your account, or do it online though your account services. Bell will unlock a device for you for a $75 charge. I suggest doing it yourself for free by looking up how to get your unlock code and how to unlock your device, in the usual places.
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Bell does have a new network, however it is not GSM. It does however use sim cards. The new network is HSPA+/UMTS and only supports dual band of 850/1900. This is different then the GSM/GPRS/EDGE Quad-band (850/900/1800/1900 MHz) and any devices that use these bands will not work on the new Telus and Bell network.
Example:
A GSM (850/1900 MHz) device will not work on Bell/Telus
A HSPA/UMTS (850/1900 MHz) will work on Bell/Telus.
The NA version of the HTC Dream that rogers carries happens to support HSDPA/UMTS dual-band (850/1900 MHZ) and will work on Bell and Telus' new network. However, popping a bell sim card into a Rogers HTC dream will not make it work. You will need to have the device unlocked and then you will need to contact Bell and give them the ESN to activate on your account, or do it online though your account services. Bell will unlock a device for you for a $75 charge. I suggest doing it yourself for free by looking up how to get your unlock code and how to unlock your device, in the usual places.
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True, except tha dream "and any GSM only device" uses an IMEI number not ESN.. "besides phones like tha touch pro2 for telus witch has an ESN & IMEI as it suppots CDMA & GSM" im shure bell wouldnt need tha IMEI or even be able use it for that matter as they can not have every IMEI in there data base, only with one of there devices would you be able to register tha IMEI on your account.. allthough like skydirt said if its unlocked and support NA HSPA bands it should work.. most new devices may auto configure your carrier settings (for data) but you may need to get settings from bell for some phones to work - at least that how it works with rogers/fido "were i am a beloved customer service Rep"
PS: im in tha same boat as tha creator of this thread and it sucks! im kicking my own ass for not upgrading my phone wen they still offered unlimited data, sms, calldisplay, voicemail etc for $45 a month.. i no i would go well over even with 1GB on any other device... i did put tha wife on tha $45 unlimited plan while it was still offered though,,, now if i can just get her to switch accounts with me lol i have herd bell will allow you to keep old data plans switching to there HSPA network? ?
We just bought the T8585 touch HD2. Of course it's an amazing device and I know it has always been said to be limited to Edge here in the states unless you buy the new T9xxx HD2. I'm just looking to verify this though because I've read for days now and want to see some real world responses. So:
CAN THE HD2 T8585 WORK WITH AT&T 3G IN THE UNITED STATES? What radio/rom/rilphone.dll combination would I use to make this work or can it just not be done?
Thanks so much in advance!!!
-Josh
connexion2005 said:
We just bought the T8585 touch HD2. Of course it's an amazing device and I know it has always been said to be limited to Edge here in the states unless you buy the new T9xxx HD2. I'm just looking to verify this though because I've read for days now and want to see some real world responses. So:
CAN THE HD2 T8585 WORK WITH AT&T 3G IN THE UNITED STATES? What radio/rom/rilphone.dll combination would I use to make this work or can it just not be done?
Thanks so much in advance!!!
-Josh
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HD2 T8585 will not work with AT&T 3G since AT&T 3G is running 850MHz and the HD2 T8585 only supports 900 / 2100 MHz.
Yes, the Aussie version T9xxx WORKS with AT&T 3G.
Thanks a lot. That's the response I was looking for to validate my thoughts. If anyone has a different experience, please share.
The T9193 does work. Any rom with complementary radio should do the trick. Does not need special radio. I have sea wwe 1.66 installed on mine. No issues at the moment. At my home I pull in speeds of 1600kbps on H (3G+). You might want to check with ATT to see if your area has 850UMTS as not all 3G areas do. The T9193 will not give you 3G on the 1900UMTS band.
so agoattamer your sayin that if i got an t8585 changed the radio and all tha other stuff that i can get 3g if my area pulls the 1900umts BAND?
No I never said anything close to that. The Telstra T9193 is UMTS850+2100. The European T8585 is UMTS900+2100. Nothing can change or takeaway the bands.
I said the T9193 can get UMTS850 for ATT in the US. But only if ATT has that band available in your area. Niether phone has the UMTS1900 band.
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Thanks a lot. That's the response I was looking for to validate my thoughts. If anyone has a different experience, please share.
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Hey there,
Just wanted to let you know that although "we" have a T8585, don't feel left behind by the T9393 just because we can't use 3G for U.S. At&t.
there is a known and proven workaround to tweak the EDGE speed if you are using U.S. At&t. I get about 750kbps - 900kbps using my T8585 using this tweak.
Please read this thread --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627318
in my case, since my last device was a 2g iphone, im only paying $20 bucks with 200 text messages for the EDGE unlimited plan, compare if i have a T9393 which i will be required to purchase the $30 bucks data only plan (and not all places here in East coast has 3G, so i think it's a better choice for me to have a T8585) and having this tweak, makes my HD2 experience more exciting.
I have been using this tweak for over a month and reviewed my most recent bill to make sure im not going to be charge off by doing this.
So,..... enjoy!!!!
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No I never said anything close to that. The Telstra T9193 is UMTS850+2100. The European T8585 is UMTS900+2100. Nothing can change or takeaway the bands.
I said the T9193 can get UMTS850 for ATT in the US. But only if ATT has that band available in your area. Niether phone has the UMTS1900 band.
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okay well i gave att a lil call today and asked her about what bands my area has and she told me my area has 900 umts so would it still be good if i got the t8585?
You must not have heard right or she answered a different question. ATT does NOT have UMTS on 900MHz. ONLY on 850 or 1900, and by the end of the year it will be ALL 850.
din0_22 said:
Hey there,
Just wanted to let you know that although "we" have a T8585, don't feel left behind by the T9393 just because we can't use 3G for U.S. At&t.
there is a known and proven workaround to tweak the EDGE speed if you are using U.S. At&t. I get about 750kbps - 900kbps using my T8585 using this tweak.
Please read this thread --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627318
in my case, since my last device was a 2g iphone, im only paying $20 bucks with 200 text messages for the EDGE unlimited plan, compare if i have a T9393 which i will be required to purchase the $30 bucks data only plan (and not all places here in East coast has 3G, so i think it's a better choice for me to have a T8585) and having this tweak, makes my HD2 experience more exciting.
I have been using this tweak for over a month and reviewed my most recent bill to make sure im not going to be charge off by doing this.
So,..... enjoy!!!!
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Why in the world would you run the old edge unlimited plan on a device who's IMEI isn't in atts data bank?
If one is using a device att doesn't have on their network, you can get the media net unlimited plan for $10-15, which gives you unlimited access to 3g, tethering, and all other features for much cheaper without any risk for att adding a $30+ a month smart phone plan.
Honestly I ran that same plan on my Tilt, Tilt2 and fuze without issue.
Paying more for edge just doesn't make sense to me.
Att + HD2 9193 + Media Net = Gold
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Att + HD2 9193 + Media Net = Gold
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Word of the wise.
I love my $15/mo MediaNet. Unlimited EDGE/3G/HSPA to do everything your heart desires
Scrtcwlvl said:
Why in the world would you run the old edge unlimited plan on a device who's IMEI isn't in atts data bank?
If one is using a device att doesn't have on their network, you can get the media net unlimited plan for $10-15, which gives you unlimited access to 3g, tethering, and all other features for much cheaper without any risk for att adding a $30+ a month smart phone plan.
Honestly I ran that same plan on my Tilt, Tilt2 and fuze without issue.
Paying more for edge just doesn't make sense to me.
Att + HD2 9193 + Media Net = Gold
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why? because 1st, its like i have a choice coming from an iphone 2g plan? 2nd, att still have my phone listed as the iphone 2g and FYI, if i try to register another phone, they would then need an IMEI., and if i ever provide a regular old flip phone and sign up for the $5-$15 EDGE MEDIA NET ulimited plan and GOT A RANDOM AUDIT CHECK??? how will you explain almost or more than 1GB of data used in a month having a registered device that transmit cant even transmit 20mb a day???
have you ever read the Att terms and condition? a relative of mine in this case got charged off for 5 months of unrestricted use of data using YOUR IDEA and ended up paying for it. 11.xxx GB to be exact.
imagine At&t charge 1cent per kilobyte????
Besides, iphone 2g would be the closest and cheapest plan that can transmit such amount of data without question.
lets just say, "i would rather be safe, than sorry", and besides???? who will jump from a regular flip phone with unlimited plan to an expensive HD2???
all pda or smartphones plan alone from att cost $30 bucks and paying $20 bucks with a whopping 200 free text message and unlimited data is a true golden!
ATT data plans are $30? I thought I was getting screwed for being legacy. [email protected]$25 woot!
Some people are just so paranoid and scared to stick it to the "man"
Had an iphone 2g 3 years ago then i got me an unlocked g1 downgraded my att net plan to media net and been paying 10 bucks for all access internet with my corp discount.
and even used a samsung blackjack as a 3g modem for my pc's.
Where there is a will theres a way.
3 years and counting.
This might sound like a stupid question
Im from the UK, so if i came to the USA with my HD2 and UK Sim for a holiday i couldnt use 3g data on any network?
You would likely roam on ATT so no, you would only have EDGE. Plus, data would be bloody expensive anyways
Ok so I am confused now. I was just at Fry's and they have an HD2 GSM Unlocked for roughly $600.
But on the box it shows the 850 and 1900 bands..... It says its the T8585, will this connect to AT&T 3G
GSM bands are not the same as 3G bands, though the numbering is the same
hey all, i was wondering if anyone had any information on the SGSII potentially coming to T-Mobile in the US. I read online that we might not get an actual SGSII and the we might get the Hercules and i've also heard that the Hercules will be the T-Mo version of the SGSII. I really would love to get one so i'm just hoping that they come stateside.
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Havent heard of anything for tmobile, just sprint/bell and possibly att lte sgs2.
Juls317 said:
hey all, i was wondering if anyone had any information on the SGSII potentially coming to T-Mobile in the US. I read online that we might not get an actual SGSII and the we might get the Hercules and i've also heard that the Hercules will be the T-Mo version of the SGSII. I really would love to get one so i'm just hoping that they come stateside.
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The Hercules is a variant of the U.S. market Infuse with a dual-core TI SoC. What other features it has haven't been confirmed. It's due out in September. T-Mobile won't be getting a version of the SGS2.
http://thisismynext.com/2011/05/17/exclusive-samsung-hercules-t-mobile-dual-core-infuse-4g/
would it be possible to buy an I9100 and unlock it and use it on tmobile
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Juls317 said:
would it be possible to buy an I9100 and unlock it and use it on tmobile
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You'd only get EDGE data speeds. Your only hope for a version that works on T-Mobile's bands is if Wind Canada gets one. But the Canadian's on the forum have said it's a Bell Canada exclusive so it's a long shot.
BarryH_GEG said:
You'd only get EDGE data speeds. Your only hope for a version that works on T-Mobile's bands is if Wind Canada gets one. But the Canadian's on the forum have said it's a Bell Canada exclusive so it's a long shot.
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Just got SGS2, it is connected to t-mobile usa, and it does only get EDGE speeds, and no HSPA+.
I can still keep it for trying out stuff for a bit, and would install any custom mods to try. If won't work, I may want to return it.
Is Wind Canada the only one with HSPA+ which is an option here?
There is no way to add only that support on top of a stock android?
The other feature that's needed to make it an excellent offering it T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling.
Any suggestions?
Ok, got an att sim and hspa+ works getting 6mbit downloads wih sgs2 now. Will only have that sim for test for three days. Though att is definitly costlier than tmobile for data and phone plans and they charge for overage rather than throttle.
Still my preference would be to hspa+ on tmobile, get tmobile wifi calling to work etc.
Also noted that tmobile wifi calling wont show as an app that backup software can see.
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Ok, got an att sim and hspa+ works getting 6mbit downloads wih sgs2 now. Will only have that sim for test for three days. Though att is definitly costlier than tmobile for data and phone plans and they charge for overage rather than throttle.
Still my preference would be to hspa+ on tmobile, get tmobile wifi calling to work etc.
Also noted that tmobile wifi calling wont show as an app that backup software can see.
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I don't see AT&T being quite more expensive unless you really need the unlimited minutes. Otherwise you could get the medianet plan since the S2 isn't detected as a smartphone, which will solve your data problem for overages.
On tmobile i pay $25 for 'unlimited' data which means after 5gb it is throttled. I am on a no contract plan. Price for contract plan is $30 for the same data plan.
If i dont pay for overage its great. Yet them not recognizing it as smartphone may not hold for too long, as us flavors of s2 are being prepared.
While it does last that they dont recognise it as a smartphone, are you also on smallest data plan and pay the minimum?
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On tmobile i pay $25 for 'unlimited' data which means after 5gb it is throttled. I am on a no contract plan. Price for contract plan is $30 for the same data plan.
If i dont pay for overage its great. Yet them not recognizing it as smartphone may not hold for too long, as us flavors of s2 are being prepared.
While it does last that they dont recognise it as a smartphone, are you also on smallest data plan and pay the minimum?
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There is an unlimited non smartphone data plan in att for just $15 and many of us are on that plan.
We do get hspa+ speeds on this plan. Pretty good deal compared to tmobile.
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I just bought an unlocked SGSII http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875176292 from Newegg on "sale." It states that it has UMTS 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 MHz.
I thought T-mobile used 900 and 2100. Can anyone explain why it doesn't work with T-mobile?
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I just bought an unlocked SGSII http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875176292 from Newegg on "sale." It states that it has UMTS 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 MHz.
I thought T-mobile used 900 and 2100. Can anyone explain why it doesn't work with T-mobile?
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T-mobile uses 1700 and 2100, not 900 and 2100.
That would explain it.
Rrr, guess i missed the same point about tmobile's bands. There was a list of the 4 freauencies and no distinction of which one is for voice, data etc.
So running a speed test using AnTuTu benchmark clearly shows sgsii is a great pick performance wise as it is dominating the charts. Though that app lack a distinction for original cpu speeds. I may overclock it if i get time as its a fun game, thouhgh not right now.
Data plan wise, on att usa, you are on $15 for non smartphone. The its ar their mercy, and they could identify sgsii as smartphone anytime in which case we'd loose that excellent option, right?
Now got my previous smartphone, mytouch 4g with tmobile on a family plan. And that one would likely not fit on att hspa+ eigher. I can validate it later with my test card from att.
Phone plan wise att family starts at $69 for 700 min for two lines, and they also got 550 min unadvertized for $10 less. This is still $10 above t mobile base for family at $49, yet no big deal if att data is cheaper at $15 with the mentioned 'non smartphone' option.
With att data on hspa+, you vuys easily use the mobile access point without limitations? Have anyone tried vpning and working on that, remote desktop to work machine for a significant time, full working day, etc?
With my att test sim, hspa+ downloads are fine, anywhere from 1.5 to 6 mbits, uploads sometimes were slow around 300
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... uploads were around 300 kbit.
Will test it some more today and tomorrow from more locations in the area.
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Now got my previous smartphone, mytouch 4g with tmobile on a family plan. And that one would likely not fit on att hspa+ eigher. I can validate it later with my test card from att.
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To save you and everyone else the trouble, as of now:
- There is no AT&T phone that supports HSPA+ on T-Mobile's network
- There is no T-Mobile phone that supports HSPA+ on AT&T's network
- There is no unbranded phone that supports HSPA+ on T-Mobile and AT&T, you have to pick one or the other. The SGS2 does not support, and most likely will never support, T-Mobile's funky AWS bands.
The Hercules is rumored to have AT&T's bands. So was the G2X and it didn't.
Thanks, that clarifies.
To maintain at least HSPA+ speeds, I can either Of two options:
- keep sgsii, move to AT&T, find how to migrate another existing smartphone since my tough 4g won't work with AT&T's data. *Maybe sell it and get another AT&T phone.
- return sgsii and stay on tmobile.
Have talked to AT&T support, and they confirmed that data plans for non smartphones begin at $10. *And that sgsii does not show as anything in their systems now neither a smartphone nor a non-smartphone. *And that it is correct that they can't guarantee anything about not identifying it as a smartphone in future.
So the best chance of the $15 data for non smartphones to last is if we get lucky enough that when they do launch the us AT&T version of sgsii, then the international one will be left out.
I am not exactly clear why the $15 non smartphone plan is needed over the $10 one. *Though, cant test too much with my AT&T temp sim, as they didn't want to change the plan the store gave me due to being on a trial period.
Still got today to try att sim out and can return with no fees, so will call or step by the store and check if that would be possible. *One challenge is that they already saw the phone and got excited, and listed it as a smartphone plan. * ..., we'll see how it goes...
Then I am also reading that AT&T talks about a dual LTE/HSPA+ support, yet that lte may take time to be battery friendly (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1162330&page=2). *
So possibly waiting for LTE to mature is not practical, in which case maybe no point in waiting for AT&T us version of sgsii which may only add LTE.
Coming from tmobile hspa+ usage since nov 2010, now when testing AT&T, it is more influenced from during the day traffic and speeds are slower vs faster speeds at less conventional hours. *Also seeing some sporadic speed tests issues coming from another device using the wifi hotspot - usually the upload, sometimes download too is near zero speed. *While most speed tests are decent. *Then have not seen any of that on tmobile.
One issue making me consider moving to AT&T is that tmobiles speeds in my new place are very bad for hspa+ if it at all it gets an*hspa signal. *Used to never need wifi and get consistent 4-6 mbits downloads ..., now getting even 1 from tmobile is a challenge.
Then, would like fast Internet when traveling overseas. *And tmobiles phone worked well last time with fast speeds. * Then I have seen some mentioning that tmobiles bands could be better for world traveling than AT&T, is that so?
(For instance*http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=4d1bbd0f46632e8d&hl=en has:
I can only say I use T-Mobile version and it IS working. I don't have AT&T one, can say nothing about it. Reason I have in mind while selecting model - in the most of the world T-Mobile version will have better coverage.
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Thanks, that clarifies.
To maintain at least HSPA+ speeds, I can either Of two options:
- keep sgsii, move to AT&T, find how to migrate another existing smartphone since my tough 4g won't work with AT&T's data. *Maybe sell it and get another AT&T phone.
- return sgsii and stay on tmobile.
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- The $10 plan requires an unlimited messaging plan. The $15 plan is a stand-alone.
- The carrier versions of the SGS2 will have different model numbers and a different series of IMEI codes so I doubt that would effect the international SGS2 in AT&T's database.
- Our SGS2 won't support LTE. But it's going to take AT&T at least a year and a half to get any meaningful LTE penetration.
- I came from T-Mobile. AT&T's HSPA+ clocks a lot slower than T-Mobile's and isn't as widely available. For some reason though, things like video buffer less for me even though the speeds clock slower.
- AT&T is far better for international travel. They have roaming data plans you can pre-purchase that are less than 1/4 of what T-Mobile charges. Also, because the SGS2 is unlocked, you can pick up a SIM locally if you want to.
I'm surprised T-Mo isn't getting the GSII, they're usually good with Android.Well, this sucks...
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I'm surprised T-Mo isn't getting the GSII, they're usually good with Android.Well, this sucks...
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No offense, but they're also the smallest carrier and are in the process of going away. I'm guessing they're getting an Infuse variant instead because Samsung's got the production capacity and probably cut them a deal.
I am from Israel and I am coming to the States on the next Monday. I need a sim with unlimited data, and about 100 minutes of talk and some messages.. I also need wifi tethring option to tether my tablet and laptop. I cant decide which carrier to choose. T mobile daily plan sounds nice but there are others like h2o, net10... Any suggestions?
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I would get the T-Mobile $30 unlimited data and texting with 100 minutes. The $3 a day plan is also a good option if you're going to use under 200MB a day.
All the plans AT&T MVNO's(H2o, Red Pocket, etc) have low data allowances and cost more than T-Mobile.
AT&T has 250 minutes and unlimited texting for $25 a month. You can add data for $25 a GB.
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I am from Israel and I am coming to the States on the next Monday. I need a sim with unlimited data, and about 100 minutes of talk and some messages.. I also need wifi tethring option to tether my tablet and laptop. I cant decide which carrier to choose. T mobile daily plan sounds nice but there are others like h2o, net10... Any suggestions?
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You should make sure your phone supports the AWS band (also known as band IV) for 3G before going on T-Mobile or band II or V for AT&T 3G.
T-Mobile checks UA string to detect tethering, so you will need to spoof it in your browser settings to get around it. Not sure about AT&T or any MVNO, however.
Would strongly suggest T-Mobile if your phone supports it and you plan to stay in a metro area. Otherwise, go with an AT&T MVNO.
While I have not had any experience with T-Mobile, all of my past experience with AT&T has been horrid. I would not recommend them for prepaid or postpaid usage
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While I have not had any experience with T-Mobile, all of my past experience with AT&T has been horrid. I would not recommend them for prepaid or postpaid usage
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As much as I would agree (I hate calling people who I know are on AT&T because the calls drop frequently), T-Mobile's 3G coverage is much smaller than AT&T's 3G coverage - leaving AT&T as the only GSM option in some areas. That said, if you spend most of your time in or around major cities, T-Mobile is superior both on performance and price.
I have LG P500, it has quad band and tri band.. should it work with T Mobile? I will be in major cities like NYC, Philly, DC...
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I have LG P500, it has quad band and tri band.. should it work with T Mobile? I will be in major cities like NYC, Philly, DC...
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You won't be able to get 3G from any US carrier with that phone. It supports 900 / 2100 for 3G and none of the networks over here support those 3G frequencies.
You'll be on 2G no matter which carrier you choose.
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You won't be able to get 3G from any US carrier with that phone. It supports 900 / 2100 for 3G and none of the networks over here support those 3G frequencies.
You'll be on 2G no matter which carrier you choose.
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From what I know, T mobile uses 2100 MHZ...
By the way, how about Motorola Milestone 2?
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From what I know, T mobile uses 2100 MHZ...
By the way, how about Motorola Milestone 2?
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Nope. T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 together. You can't just use 2100 on T-Mobile.
The international Milestone has the same bands as your P500. The US Milestone supports AT&T 3G.
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I would get the T-Mobile $30 unlimited data and texting with 100 minutes. The $3 a day plan is also a good option if you're going to use under 200MB a day.
All the plans AT&T MVNO's(H2o, Red Pocket, etc) have low data allowances and cost more than T-Mobile.
AT&T has 250 minutes and unlimited texting for $25 a month. You can add data for $25 a GB.
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The problem with the T-Mobile $30 unlimited data (up to 5Gb) plan is you won't be able to use any data on Edge and they don't really have 4G anywhere unless your phone does WCDMA on 1700Mhz then it will work at T-Mobile stores but that's all. You will need a newer Samsung Galaxy S2 or S3 phone to take advantage of 3G service on T-Mobile.
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The problem with the T-Mobile $30 unlimited data (up to 5Gb) plan is you won't be able to use any data on Edge and they don't really have 4G anywhere unless your phone does WCDMA on 1700Mhz then it will work at T-Mobile stores but that's all. You will need a newer Samsung Galaxy S2 or S3 phone to take advantage of 3G service on T-Mobile.
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When the OP made the thread and mentioned T-Mobile, I figured he had a T-Mobile compatible phone. If you reqd the post above, you'd see I pointed out that T-Mobile 3G/4G wouldn't work on his phone.
But, don't have to be at a T-Mobile store to get 4G. That's absurd. Also, there's no need for a new T-Mobile phone to get fast data, any T-Mobile 3G phone will work.
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When the OP made the thread and mentioned T-Mobile, I figured he had a T-Mobile compatible phone. If you reqd the post above, you'd see I pointed out that T-Mobile 3G/4G wouldn't work on his phone.
But, don't have to be at a T-Mobile store to get 4G. That's absurd. Also, there's no need for a new T-Mobile phone to get fast data, any T-Mobile 3G phone will work.
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I disagree, it may sound absurd until you realize they don't really have any 4G network anyplace but they need service inside the stores so they can display the phones working. In the Phoenix, Mesa and Scottsdale areas the only place you can get 4G on T-Mobil is in or near the T-Mobil stores where they have a 5 bar signal. They claim they aren't using an amp or anything but if you leave the store and go down the street a few blocks there's no signal and it's not available anywhere else.
As for saying "any T-Mobile 3G phone will work" you know they haven't sold 3G phones since 2010, right? None of the new Samsung 4G phones can get 3G either, at least none of the ones I looked at in the store could get it since they don't have an option for HSPA or HSPA+, just GSM and WCDMA with nothing in between.
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I disagree, it may sound absurd until you realize they don't really have any 4G network anyplace but they need service inside the stores so they can display the phones working. In the Phoenix, Mesa and Scottsdale areas the only place you can get 4G on T-Mobil is in or near the T-Mobil stores where they have a 5 bar signal. They claim they aren't using an amp or anything but if you leave the store and go down the street a few blocks there's no signal and it's not available anywhere else.
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Tinfoil hat much? Nuff said.
I get T-Mobile 4G all over Alabama, miles away from the T-Mobile store. I also travel yearly to TN, LA, MI, and GA, and I get T-Mobile 4G in those states as well.
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As for saying "any T-Mobile 3G phone will work" you know they haven't sold 3G phones since 2010, right? None of the new Samsung 4G phones can get 3G either, at least none of the ones I looked at in the store could get it since they don't have an option for HSPA or HSPA+, just GSM and WCDMA with nothing in between.
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All T-Mobile smartphones phones are capable of 3G. You confusing T-Mobile 4G with LTE. T-Mobile doesn't have LTE, and their 4G network is nothing more than fast 3G. The icon in the corner of your screen might only show 4G, but there are many instances where it's actually getting 3G I get 3G with my Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile.
You really need to do some serious research.
Lets try and keep this on topic of the thread bout sim card and not go off about how good the actual networks are etc.
The fact of the matter is, you'll only get 3G/4G (HSPA+) on AT&T and AT&T MNVO's. If OP needs fast data, I'd recommend a Straight Talk AT&T-Compatible SIM from http://straighttalk.com. It's $50 for a month of unlimited everything (just don't go too crazy with data). When you fill in the APN, ignore any proxy fields except for "MMS Proxy".
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The fact of the matter is, you'll only get 3G/4G (HSPA+) on AT&T and AT&T MNVO's. If OP needs fast data, I'd recommend a Straight Talk AT&T-Compatible SIM from http://straighttalk.com. It's $50 for a month of unlimited everything (just don't go too crazy with data). When you fill in the APN, ignore any proxy fields except for "MMS Proxy".
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His phone runs on 900MHz and 2100MHz, doesn't AT&T 3G run on 850MHz and 1900MHz?
Oh wow, he has some funky frequencies. He'll need a different phone for 3G/4G on any network then. Basic functions and EDGE should work though.