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The Magic can upgrade WM5/WM6 disappointment, so powerful configuration and even impossible Take WM6 disappointment. A strongman change this situation?
Eh? What do you mean?
Can we use WM5 and WM6 on the Magician (WM2003) hardware?
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vijay555 said:
Eh? What do you mean?
Can we use WM5 and WM6 on the Magician (WM2003) hardware?
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I think he meant he's disappointed that there is no WM6 for the magician Considering its a powerful device and is asking any strongman(sorry im not that buff Lolz) to take the challenge.
Why hasnt anyone made a wm5 rom for the magician? Its not like the device lacks the stats to run it.
bigcheekybird said:
Why hasnt anyone made a wm5 rom for the magician? Its not like the device lacks the stats to run it.
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After reading the numerous WM5 threads here in the magician forum, there are three reasons for this:
1. The lack of drivers,
2.And the most significant of all, the memory is too small, i think you need atleast 128MB of ROM.
3. The device is already old to even be given a new rom by hackers, most of them got a kjam or hermes already.
Eikichi said:
After reading the numerous WM5 threads here in the magician forum, there are three reasons for this:
1. The lack of drivers,
2.And the most significant of all, the memory is too small, i think you need atleast 128MB of ROM.
3. The device is already old to even be given a new rom by hackers, most of them got a kjam or hermes already.
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I dont know much about the drivers but in sure that some one could create them, a device called Pharos Traveler 525e runs on 64mb of rom and has windows 5.0 installed on it, there are a few others out there aswell that run on 64mb of rom, The main reason you need such a high level of ram is because of the way wm5 was made, if you install all your programs on a sd card then your problem is virtually gone. The device may be old but im sure that there is someone out there that has the know how to take on this project.
Not RAM, Its the ROM which is small. Theres no deal with RAM, some imate jams have 128MB of RAM,heck even my iPAQ is running WM5 on a relatively small 64mb of RAM (32mb of which is useable RAM), but it has 128mb of ROM. Magician has only 64mb of ROM. The only way i know to have WM5 but still maintain the classical,simple and elegant look of the magician is to trade it for a charmer. But you lose CPU power in the process (magician-xscale;Charmer-TiOmap)
My bad, i meant rom, ive changed the post.
The Pharos has 128MB of ROM and 64MB of RAM see the specs.
http://www.pharosgps.com/products/all-in-one/PTL525E.htm
* Microsoft® Windows Mobile™ version 5.0 software
* Pocket versions of Microsoft software are included (Outlook, Word, Excel,Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer for Pocket PC)
* Processor:SC32442 300 MHz processor
* Memory: 128MB ROM, 64MB SD RAM
* Dimensions:109.7mm (L) x 59.4mm (W) x 17.6mm (T)
* Resolution: 240 x 320 with65,536 colors
* Expansion: SDIO expansion slot
* Built-inBluetooth and WiFi
Yea your right, i got my data off this webiste http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A0785811
It says 64 MB ROM and 128 MB SDRAM.
my bad
HP iPAQ hx2410 Pocket PC (FA298T). this device runs stock on wm2003 se but has an update to wm5, it runs slowly but it works. heres the link to check the stats. http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF06a/21675-21679-21679-21679-297609-10244635.html.
The thing i dont get is, if you can update this to wm5, why cant it be done for the magician, they have relatively the same stats.
Look mate im not trying to be difficult for you here, you were asking the reason why, and to save you time i gave you the reason which has been repeated for numerous occassions whenever some idiot who doesnt know how to search the forum pops up the WM5 question. If you want to satisfy your curiosity then i advise you to course through all the WM5 threads in the magician forum starting from buzz lightyears thread, and hopefully youll get the answer your looking for.
Why not?
We know how to add/remove files from the ROM, many components from the Magician are used in Himalaya, Universal and BlueAngel
ex:
PXA272 -> Universal
Bluetooth -> Himalaya (both uses BlueCore3)
GFX/SDIO/USB via PXA272 -> Universal
Touchscreen -> Himalaya, BlueAngel
maybe some others, I don't know how many drivers we have to identify, and if the compatibility will be possible with a different architecture/mapping...
And Himalaya and Blueangel have 64Mb ROM and works on WM5... I don't mean we can have a full featured WM5 for Magician, but a "as small as we can" ROM, just for the POC, and let ppl build some special ROMs for special use-cases
I'll try to gather more informations on the forums on how they did cook first releases, try to create a kitchen (Blueangel or himalaya kitchen should work without many changes), and a DEV folder with filtered registries...
And maybe, after WM5.... WM6? And long walk has to be done before first ROM
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The biggest problem seem nk.exe... since there is no nk.exe (WM5) for magician, we can only expect to hack some nk.exe (from universal for processor compatibility), or find a magician-like (same processor and major components) device which already has WM5... It may be a long long and risky walk...
@Eikichi
I have read the forums, but still dont get why the magician cant run wm5 when there are other devices out there that can.
@b0ris747
vicott
Sep 28 2005, 11:41 PM
The minimum requirement of Windows Mobile 5.0 is 32MB RAM and 64MB ROM. For devices having only 64MB ROM, there is a high chance that the devices may only be using a reduced version of WM5.
For example, HTC Galaxy has 64MB ROM and about 33-37MB of it is for persistent storage. One of the models of the upcoming Fujitsu Siemens N500 series may also have only 64MB ROM. And WM5 upgrade is also provided for devices having only 64MB ROM, e.g. iPAQ hx2110/2410, FSC Pocket LOOX 700s and Acer n50.
Taking the HTC Galaxy as an example, a reduced version of the OS may be less than 32MB. Let's take a look at other WM5 devices and their config:
* HTC Universal: 128MB ROM and about 44MB persistent storage
* HTC Wizard: 128MB ROM and about 47MB persistent storage
* HTC Galaxy: 64MB ROM and about 33-37MB persistent storage
* Dell Axim X51V: 256MB ROM and about 195MB persistent storage
* Acer n311: 128MB ROM and about 84MB persistent storage
* FSC Pocket Loox N520 (engineering set): 64MB ROM and about 26MB persistent storage
* HP iPAQ rx1950: 64MB ROM and about 33MB persistent storage
* HP iPAQ hx2190/2490: 128MB ROM and about 80MB persistent storage
* HP iPAQ hx2790: 192MB ROM and about 144MB persistent storage
I got the above info above from the link below
http://www.ppcsg.com/lofiversion/index.php/t59946.html
here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=312625&page=2 last post something that convinced me not to wait for WM5 (the english is not perfect but the point is there). But if you guys are up for the challenge, by all means my best of luck to you and thank you in advance.
The thing is though, wm5 has been put onto a device with the same rom and ram stats as the magician, so that guy is wrong in saying that it wouldnt work.
Since no visible WM5 for the magician is existing not even in experimental form, dnt u thnk d presumption that he is correct works for his favor? anyway you can rebutt all you want but the bottom line is... "There is no WM5 for the magician" in actual or experimental form.
upgrade my dopod 818 pro
wher can i update my dopod 818 pro from wm5 to wm6
Seem easier to finish the work on porting linux...
Eikichi said:
Since no visible WM5 for the magician is existing not even in experimental form, dnt u thnk d presumption that he is correct works for his favor? anyway you can rebutt all you want but the bottom line is... "There is no WM5 for the magician" in actual or experimental form.
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Maybe should ppl investigate linux as a solution... Linux exists for magician (I tried it) but still some work to do to make it bootable under linux (but has been made successfully on other devices, including WM5 compatible devices like ipaq hx4700).
It's legal (not like cracking ROMs) and a lot of informations already exists, and you won't have restrictions on how you use your GSM modem...
Magician could handle WM5... But it would require too much work for what it would offer. Linux is for me a better alternative to focus on.
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b0ris747 said:
We know how to add/remove files from the ROM, many components from the Magician are used in Himalaya, Universal and BlueAngel
ex:
PXA272 -> Universal
Bluetooth -> Himalaya (both uses BlueCore3)
GFX/SDIO/USB via PXA272 -> Universal
Touchscreen -> Himalaya, BlueAngel
maybe some others, I don't know how many drivers we have to identify, and if the compatibility will be possible with a different architecture/mapping...
And Himalaya and Blueangel have 64Mb ROM and works on WM5... I don't mean we can have a full featured WM5 for Magician, but a "as small as we can" ROM, just for the POC, and let ppl build some special ROMs for special use-cases
I'll try to gather more informations on the forums on how they did cook first releases, try to create a kitchen (Blueangel or himalaya kitchen should work without many changes), and a DEV folder with filtered registries...
And maybe, after WM5.... WM6? And long walk has to be done before first ROM
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The biggest problem seem nk.exe... since there is no nk.exe (WM5) for magician, we can only expect to hack some nk.exe (from universal for processor compatibility), or find a magician-like (same processor and major components) device which already has WM5... It may be a long long and risky walk...
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The Htc Atom Uses the exact same processor as the htc magician, You could use the nk.exe from the atom to make the magicians one
Htc Atom
Specifications
Date Announced 2005, 3Q
Network Technology GSM 900 / 1800 / 1900
Hardware/Processor Intel PXA272 416MHz processor
Dimensions (mm) 102 x 58 x 18.5
Weight (g) 140
Display Screen Size : 2.7 inch, 240 x 320
Screen Color : TFT 262k Colours (65k effective)
Design Type : Blok
Navigation Key : 5 way Navigation Key
Other Keys : Volume up/down, Camera, Recorder
Antenna : Fixed Internal
Memory Phonebook : Advance
Internal(MB) : 64MB SDRAM, 128MB ROM
Expansion : miniSD, SDIO
Battery Battery Type : Li-ion 1500mAh
Stand-by (hrs) : 150
TalkTime(min) : 330
Entertainment
Ringtones Polyphonic : 64-chord polyphonics
Customization : MIDI, MP3, WMA, WAV
MP3 Yes
A2DP Yes
TV Receiver Null
FM Radio Yes
Video Record Yes
Video Support MPEG-4, H.263, WMV
Audio Support MIDI, MP3, WMA, WAV, AMR (Stereo Speakers, 10-band equalizer, 2.5mm Audio Jack)
Voice Support Recording, Dial
Games Solitaire and Jawbreaker
Messaging
SMS Yes
MMS Yes
EMS No
Email Pocket Outlook
Connectivity
HSDPA Null
EDGE Yes, Class 10
Bluetooth Yes
3G No
GPRS Class 10 (4+1/3+2 slots)
Infrared (IrDA) Yes
USB Port Yes
WIFI/WLAN 802.11b
Data Cable RS-232, mini USB
Software
Java (J2ME) Yes ,MIDP 2.0, CLDC 1.1
WAP Yes Ver 2.0
Platform / OS Windows Mobile 5.0
Browser Internet Explorer Mobile
Other Application Windows Media Player Mobile 10, Office Mobile (Word Mobile, Excel Mobile, Powerpoint Mobile), O2 MediaPlus, ActiveSync 4.0, PDF Viewer
Personals
Themes No Info.
Caller ID Photo
ProfileID Yes
Camera
Lens Type CMOS, 2.0 Megapixel
Digital zoom
Max. Resolution 1600 x 1200
Flash Yes
Night Mode Yes
Multi Shot Yes
Extra Features self-portrait mirror, self timer, landscape mode
Photo Format JPEG(1600x1200,1024x768, 640x480, 320x240,176x144)
Video Yes
Video Format MPEG-4 (352 x 288, 176 x 144, 128 x 96)
Its worth making the rom so that finally we can have wm5 on magician
Hello,i have a simple question
My Touch HD show that it has 192mb ram instead of 288
When i go to task manager it shows:
Total:192.86
In use:102,80
Free:90.6
In the information about the Blackstone its written that it has 288mb RAM,so where are the 96mb that are missing in the task manager??
Is it a problem or it's like that with every touch HD?
no one knows?
spookhc said:
no one knows?
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What is reported is the available RAM for applications, the rest of the RAM is reserved by the OS (Windows Mobile - it looks like you're using 6.5 w/ Manila 2.5).
This is correct and unavoidable - what seems to be missing is consumed by the page pool, caches of various kind, etc..
I'm using topix's rom 6.5 with manilla 2.1
know everyone about the "Touch 2" it's possible to take a WM 6.1 Rom on it.
I want this for more perormance and stability.
all this graphic gadgets they come with WM6.5, I don't need that, I use SPB MobileShell for the Surface at the Device and I need a stable OS to install other Apps.
And I think the power consumption is a little bit less at 6.1 as 6.5 (the elfin run 1 week with 1 full charge of the battery)
as example: I have a old HTC Touch (elfin) and all Apps (MobileShell3.5.5, IGo 8.3 and many other....) works perfect but a little slow and no 3,5mm audio jack.
Yes they are:
[ROM-Online(27-08-2010)]WM6.1 Professional v2 built 21057 Hell Fast now
But use version1, becouse in version2 there is not Quick GPS.
The new ROM based WM 6.1 and stock apps Diamond 2
Hi!
Provides users XDA my ROM.
Current version
ROM_TG01_Clone_D2_6.1.21056_WWE
Date: 26 Martch 2011
Version Radio: 5005.1600.05
Build version: WM 6.1 5.2.21056 Windows CE: 5.2 Build 3028 (2 октября 2009 г. 7:51:40)
Detailed description:
ROM cooking based on the latest ROM HTC Diamond 2 with OS 6.1 & oridginal TouchFLO 3D 2.0
I'm have not pursued the goal of maximum achieved a huge amount of RAM, original goal was to cook the ROM retaining maximum functionality of the device software and Diamond 2. Make a clone of Dolly the sheep
Free RAM: ~ 100 mb
Free ROM: ~ 292 mb
Remove ROM: Autoupadate,DRM,Enterprise,FWUPDATE-replaced by the package mini,IPSECVPN,Livesearch,SampleMusic,SqlCeMobile,SQM-replaced by the package mini,VoIP,WelcomeCenter,WindowsLive,WMWidgets, turn off unnecessary services, standard keyboard MS, standard task manager MS, 3D Toshiba Menu, keyboard Toshiba, OEM cleared of debris operators and soft TG01.
Added ROM: TouchFLO 3D 2.0 (Landscape mode does not support), Phone Canvas Dialer, SIM Manager HTC, Teeter games, Google Maps, RSS Hub (work), YouTube, Voice Speed Dialer, HTC Zip, StreamingMedia, Voice Recorder, MP3 Trimmer, HTC Calc, Comm manager, Java, Adobe LE, Task Manager FDC 3.1, HTC EzInput 2.0, Quick GPS, Opera Browser 9.5, GPS Driver to Comm Port.
Special thanks to:
1. Barin for perfect rom-building tool and a lot of friendly advices
2. Cedesmith for cool TGtool program
3. Alexx~ & AndrewSh for friendly support
Thanks.
Enjoy
Download
Please keep the feedback.
ooho, very cool- i don´t need to update my miROM14! is the same, but better and more free RAM!
tnx for that ROM, my friend
Feropont! you did it, i will no doubt try this when i get home! thank you sooooooo much man! i really appreciate your work!
feropont said:
the new rom based wm 6.1 and stock apps diamond 2
hi!
Provides users xda my rom.
current version
rom_tg01_clone_d2_6.1.21056_wwe
date: 26 martch 2011
version radio: 5005.1600.05
build version: wm 6.1 5.2.21056 windows ce: 5.2 build 3028 (2 октября 2009 г. 7:51:40)
detailed description:
rom cooking based on the latest rom htc diamond 2 with os 6.1 & oridginal touchflo 3d 2.0
i'm have not pursued the goal of maximum achieved a huge amount of ram, original goal was to cook the rom retaining maximum functionality of the device software and diamond 2. Make a clone of dolly the sheep
free ram: ~ 100 mb
free rom: ~ 292 mb
remove rom: autoupadate,drm,enterprise,fwupdate-replaced by the package mini,ipsecvpn,livesearch,samplemusic,sqlcemobile,sqm-replaced by the package mini,voip,welcomecenter,windowslive,wmwidgets, turn off unnecessary services, standard keyboard ms, standard task manager ms, 3d toshiba menu, keyboard toshiba, oem cleared of debris operators and soft tg01.
added rom: touchflo 3d 2.0 (landscape mode does not support), phone canvas dialer, sim manager htc, teeter games, google maps, rss hub (work), youtube, voice speed dialer, htc zip, streamingmedia, voice recorder, mp3 trimmer, htc calc, comm manager, java, adobe le, task manager fdc 3.1, htc ezinput 2.0, quick gps, opera browser 9.5, gps driver to comm port.
Special thanks to:
1. barin for perfect rom-building tool and a lot of friendly advices
2. cedesmith for cool tgtool program
3. alexx~ & andrewsh for friendly support
thanks.
Enjoy
download
please keep the feedback.
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downloading and will flash in next hour or so i love ur roms and miro roms u 2 guys have given our tg a new life . Even tosh themself cant do wot u 2 have done :d
May I aks, why you haven't used new Radio? The last one "5007.0000.0321 (tnx Nokser)" significantly improve call quality, as far as I noticed.
And just wondering why WM6.1?
Anyway great job man!
Narkodrom said:
May I aks, why you haven't used new Radio? The last one "5007.0000.0321 (tnx Nokser)" significantly improve call quality, as far as I noticed.
And just wondering why WM6.1?
Anyway great job man!
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use miros radio tool.
he uses 6.1 because the aim of the rom is to be a clone of the diamond 2 rom which was 6.1. there is also more ram in 6.1. i havent tried the rom yet!
hey man ) incredibile worck 10x, when you CLONE ANDROID )
skw said:
hey man ) incredibile worck 10x, when you CLONE ANDROID )
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When TG01 will still at least three additional buttons
feropont said:
When TG01 will still at least three additional buttons
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Testing your ROM now Feropont
I seemed to have an error, when i flashed the phone and it goes to customize settings, says failed HTC Log error.
I cannot navigate the phone and it is freezing... I managed to get to the file explorere though to reflash it again. I think i may have had a bad flash.
I'll report back. many thanks
Reflashed the ROM ,working great now! i love all the mods, they are so profesional! Please could you upload the files fro teeter please? it is the only ROM that has all functional HTC apps! Alos free RAM is quite low after a while.
But great ROM!
How about ROM_Clone_Touch HD (Blackstone now)?
Haha that would be awesome! I can find you the pacakges if you want. It uses less RAM and ROM.
touchflo 1.3 + wm6.1
How about it?
Cheers!
cheers!
Added to the table:
#209 26/03/2011 6.1 feropont 21056 5005.1600.05 E 292 100
ROM Table HERE
olyloh6696 said:
Reflashed the ROM ,working great now! i love all the mods, they are so profesional! Please could you upload the files fro teeter please? it is the only ROM that has all functional HTC apps! Alos free RAM is quite low after a while.
But great ROM!
How about ROM_Clone_Touch HD (Blackstone now)?
Haha that would be awesome! I can find you the pacakges if you want. It uses less RAM and ROM.
touchflo 1.3 + wm6.1
How about it?
Cheers!
cheers!
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From RAM memory there is a common phenomenon, unlike other ROM in my ROM included in the work of all the services HTC, one Opera 9.5 eats a fairly large amount of RAM, not to mention the other services HTC. And yet I have RAM does not fall below 70 mb, remember the time a month ago, you were glad that the first load had 80 MB, but now that has changed, spoiled you kindly huge RAM memory I'm not a huge fanatic of memory, I'm concerned about the maximum functionality of the software otherwise I'm just not interested.
Thx my friend
feropont said:
From RAM memory there is a common phenomenon, unlike other ROM in my ROM included in the work of all the services HTC, one Opera 9.5 eats a fairly large amount of RAM, not to mention the other services HTC. And yet I have RAM does not fall below 70 mb, remember the time a month ago, you were glad that the first load had 80 MB, but now that has changed, spoiled you kindly huge RAM memory I'm not a huge fanatic of memory, I'm concerned about the maximum functionality of the software otherwise I'm just not interested.
Thx my friend
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thanks for the explanation! do you want the touchflo 3d 1.3 packages for a blackstone clone? or do you already have them?
olyloh6696 said:
thanks for the explanation! do you want the touchflo 3d 1.3 packages for a blackstone clone? or do you already have them?
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Dump Blackstone do five minutes, another question that, I'm back Stick in the ROM all the software and services HTC and you will not see 130 MB of memory
hi there i flashed it after hard reset i changed o2 uk and regional setting it said restart
did that and it only went up to windows screen tried to recover it after with pin method no luck its not even charging red light :| just dark grey :| bricked i guess plus am not that good to unbrick it :|
feropont said:
Dump Blackstone do five minutes, another question that, I'm back Stick in the ROM all the software and services HTC and you will not see 130 MB of memory
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Yeh it wont have that much memory as the htc dialer + htc services take up RAM. but i can manually disable them
or you could do a perfectly clean ROM, just pure 6.1 + touchflo 3d 1.3..
that would also be nice!
thanks feropont!
rajauk1 said:
hi there i flashed it after hard reset i changed o2 uk and regional setting it said restart
did that and it only went up to windows screen tried to recover it after with pin method no luck its not even charging red light :| just dark grey :| bricked i guess plus am not that good to unbrick it :|
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atlast after messing around with it i unbricked it thanks to how to unbrick forum thread
olyloh6696 said:
Yeh it wont have that much memory as the htc dialer + htc services take up RAM. but i can manually disable them
or you could do a perfectly clean ROM, just pure 6.1 + touchflo 3d 1.3..
that would also be nice!
thanks feropont!
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Who can explain to me what good is a free 150 MB of RAM? When the virtual memory in windows CE 5.2 as it was 32 MB and immutability. In this case, I'll have free RAM 50 mb, and of free space in slot 0 27 mb, but you will have 150 MB of RAM and 22 MB slot 0, tell me who is better going to work? Need to monitor primarily for slot 0 and its content, for virtual memory, because only 32 MB as it is, and will
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Who can explain to me what good is a free 150 MB of RAM? When the virtual memory in windows CE 5.2 as it was 32 MB and immutability. In this case, I'll have free RAM 50 mb, and of free space in slot 0 27 mb, but you will have 150 MB of RAM and 22 MB slot 0, tell me who is better going to work? Need to monitor primarily for slot 0 and its content, for virtual memory, because only 32 MB as it is, and will
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yes i am RAM addicted.. enough is never enough! i dont know why, but i always want more RAM when possible. its just my personal preference your the rom chef anyway, so your rom customizations are entirely up to you
My uncle gave me his old HTC Touch mobile for free to use. It's white color GSM handset. It's Ram is 128MB & ROM is 256MB & its processor is 201Mhz. Can anyone tell me It is HTC Touch or HTC Vogue? Is HTC tuch GSM also available in 128MB of RAM & in 256MB of ROM?
You have an Elfin. For more info use this tool http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418892