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Buyer beware I just received an email from a good friend of mine stating he had the opportunity to test the xperia and he states it is slower than the tytnII. This shall be interesting.
the x1's and it's rom is not released yet how it will perform in q4 when it does one can only guess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qe_ohf0Re4
in this clip it seem to run ok
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Buyer beware I just received an email from a good friend of mine stating he had the opportunity to test the xperia and he states it is slower than the tytnII. This shall be interesting.
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Well i wouldnt be surprised by your friends claim seeing as the unit isnt even in final production. One of my friends has played with a pre-production unit and said the same thing but also said that he is pretty damn sure that when the final retail unit is out...it will be perfectly fine.
many new PDA lack of video and 2d acceleration, if Sony taking seriously they should make open /sdk driver,
Can anybody say Samsung Omnia
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Well i wouldnt be surprised by your friends claim seeing as the unit isnt even in final production. One of my friends has played with a pre-production unit and said the same thing but also said that he is pretty damn sure that when the final retail unit is out...it will be perfectly fine.
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I finally just received confirmation that the device he messed around with was the pre-production unit as well. Sorry for posting anything misleading I often jump ahead of myself when I get excited.
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I finally just received confirmation that the device he messed around with was the pre-production unit as well. Sorry for posting anything misleading I often jump ahead of myself when I get excited.
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no worries ... we all do ...
samsung ...
Alternate Names: Samsung i900
Manufacturer: Samsung Inc.
Predecessor: Samsung i830
Operating System: Windows Mobile Professional 6.1
Screen Resolution: 240-by-400-Pixels WQGA Screen
Dimensions : 112 by 56.9 by 12.5
Processor Marwell 624 Mhz
Camera: 5 MP with geotaging, auto focus, image stabilizer, face detection etc etc...
GPS Included
User Interface TouchViz UI
Data HSDPA 7.2
with these specs it is definitely nothing to sneeze at ... especially 5mp camera but for me a hardware keyboard is a must ...
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Can anybody say Samsung Omnia
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I was waiting for the X1, but now, the omnia is looking very, very nice.. Would we have a forum on the Omnia?
www.gsmelite.com
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I was waiting for the X1, but now, the omnia is looking very, very nice.. Would we have a forum on the Omnia?
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X1 Is going to be a Iphone Killer. Period
Omnia will be featured on my site, coming soon
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Its nothing misleading, its a fact, i have 2 of the units and the playback is more than slow, its slower than the the tytn II i can tell..maybe when the rom are out..
kepp you posted
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What application and what kind of media files did you use for playback?
If you also own a TyTN II, how is the 3G reception quality in comparison? Is X1 better, equal or worse?
Omnia is nothing special really, just yet another (W)QVGA device which is poor for web browsing and remote desktop use compared to (W)VGA devices. The screen is most important feature of a phone, because that's what you spend all your time looking at, and all your apps run in it!
The X1 is rendering everything very smoothly and fast. I've yet to see any lag on Tom Tom, spb Shell etc. And sl9 is right, it's the screen that counts, it's razor sharp, you wont be disappointed.
what about the extra resolution compared to standard vga on touch pro?
is the top bar bigger or something cause all the apps are a certain resolution its strange to me how they fit on the x1s screen
Most apps I've tried so far has somehow managed to run without any flaws on the WVGA-screen. It isn't stretched or anything.
The only thing I would add is that you can't use QVGA apps/skins very well. And when in Lanscape mode is where you'll notice that it doesn't quite fit right.
Take spb Shell for example, in landscape there is this empty area that appears between the main info and the 4 buttons. It's well done because it's not stretching out, just moved over. It doesn't look bad.
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The only thing I would add is that you can't use QVGA apps/skins very well. And when in Lanscape mode is where you'll notice that it doesn't quite fit right.
Take spb Shell for example, in landscape there is this empty area that appears between the main info and the 4 buttons. It's well done because it's not stretching out, just moved over. It doesn't look bad.
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Have you witnessed video lag?
Nope, nothing so far, but I haven't really installed that much stuff on it.
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Nope, nothing so far, but I haven't really installed that much stuff on it.
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hi everyone,
I'm a Die Hard fan of Blackstone/Touch HD , and im waiting for it for a long time !
but after reading about it, watching movies, following discussions, I feel its nothing but a HUGE and tempting display .
we're all WM users and we didnt experienced any large-display phones with such size, and thats why we're trying to believe this is BEST !
since theres no TV-OUT capability , hard one handed usage , no D-PAD ( C'mon , its not iphone that fingers could do anything with any pressure ) and weird camera lens box!
is it really we wanted or its just another "I WANT TO BELIEVE?"
I do see where you're coming from... To me, I'll be honest, it's the Diamond in a REALLY nice case. One that's familiar to a long-term Elf user. The touchy-feely case, no desire to use the D-Pad... But when all's said and done: It's a huge display and has a 5MP camera. It's the best ever HTC, but it will be easy to top...
Now I feel bad... Thanks...
Hi,
Interesting point of view. ... and I agree most of it.
To be honest, the only thing I am interested in Touch HD is the huge 3.8" screen.
I like browsing the internet using Opera Mini (and Opera 9 of course) and I have no problem with my current HTC Kaiser.
However, I always envy with phone that has big screen, 3.5" like my friend's iPhone.
So, thats my sole reason to think about buying Touch HD.
However, I am holding back because there are couple of things that I need to convince myself:
1. TouchFlo 3D cannot show multiple appointments/tasks in its today screen.
This is rubish, I cannot understand why HTC does not implement this like the old HTC Home. And I have not found better solution for this.
Of course I can turn off TF3D (can I?) and use HTC Home or SpB Mobile Shell.
But ................ why???
2. No DPAD, can I live with it? Probably ...
But I have a dream to have a GAME DEVICE and PDA all in one.
I cannot do that with HTC Kaiser because of the graphics driver and bad performance. Really, I hate it.
3.8" is very nice for a game device. However, without DPAD, the game will be limited.
If I look the current Touch HD design, a DPAD is still possible in the center of those 4 buttons!
I know, I can buy Nintendo DS or PSP, but hey! I dont like carrying a lot of devices
5 MP camera is nothing ... the quality is still doubtful.
No TV-OUT like Raphael? Grrr!!!
Well, this is my personal opinion.
I dont know, probably I will buy it anyway ... or wait until I can hold and see it in real live ... and judge if the 3.8" screen is enough to convince myself to buy.
upcomming phones have almost same display size ( like ASUS Galaxy 7 ) and solved problems ...
but i want it from HTC .
I think it's yet another half-a***d swipe at the iPhone, without any real thought put into it. WM fans want to believe this is "the one" that's going to give them everything they (perhaps secretly) really like about the iPhone, while still wearing the Windows Mobile badge. In reality, it's just another WM phone with a bigger screen, and actually a few disadvantages over some other models (like that lack of a D-pad). In spite of the screen I really doubt the multimedia will be as slick as the iPhone, and for gaming it's a dead duck - unlike the iPhone where the appstore is brimming full of immersive games built around the iPhone's acceleromotor and multi-touch screen, the Touch HD only has the WM back catalogue to choose from, 99% of which will be written to run on non-accelerometor equipped phones with D-pads.
Meanwhile, underneath the Touchflo you still have an interface designed for a stylus, however big the display.
gogol said:
....1. TouchFlo 3D cannot show multiple appointments/tasks in its today screen.....
This is rubish, I cannot understand why HTC does not implement this like the old HTC Home. And I have not found better solution for this.
Of course I can turn off TF3D (can I?) and use HTC Home or SpB Mobile Shell.
But ................ why???
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Get your act together HTC
I still cannot decide which model to choose - X1 or HD - and now I am thinking more and more of getting an X1. I simply understand that the only thing about HD that I am going to really love and cream-my-pants because of is the 3.8" screen.
I think that HD is a perfect device for non-WM-addicts, for people who will use just TF3D-interface and Opera at most, without installing any tweaks/programs/registry-hacks/emulators/debuggers/consoles/younameit. Cause when you want to install one of them, you're in trouble - no hardware keys, no D-pad... Achtung!
One more thing I thought about.. Every phone has a kind of a "secret combination of keys", e g "turn-on-the-phone-holding-two-buttons-pressed-and-enter-diagnostics-mode". I wonder if the sensor buttons would do that?
If I am going to express my opinion I will rather say I am going for the large screen size to be honest, Window mobile did not change since, its still WM 6.1 and not much difference on software, yes is the look of the phone that impress me and the size of the screen, because I personally enjoy watching movies on move.
How can HTC put such a cheap, crappy-looking clock onto such a "high-end" device?
The analogue clock from the TF2D (as per the Touch 3G) just looks so much better.
I also agree with the comments about the Appointments - this is a very important point for me, and if not easily resolvable will make me look eleswhere.
So do I remove the TF3D and use Spb instead? If I were to do that, would I then lose the scrollability of the unit - is the finger-scrolling part of TF3D or part of WM6.1?
From a non techie user point-of-view, the more I am finding out about this, the less excited I am about it. Having just read through the manual, I realise it doesn't do any more than any other WM 6.1 pda, except for the bigger screen. And even the quality of films on that seems to be in question!
Maybe I should stop reading sites such as this - lol.
Look we all love the design factor, large screen, hi res etc. That makes it the best win mo phone. Don't let these posts turn you off. You fell in love with the phone for a reason. As for the minor problems (2 appointments etc), well... where there's a will there's a way... xda-developers. Just give them time to work their magic.
Anyway there is always Second Today to see appointents http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MYv5ooIp0
Nothing...........
I just Ordered mine from pdashop.nl 1 minute ago... And i don't need any negation right now. for 629 Euro. ....It better impress
Nothing is gonna take that joy from me..
You can fall in love with a phone for the wrong reasons! I really do think expectations are too high for this device, and people are right to question and rethink this now, before they've paid their money... IMO it's a flawed design, WinMo needs some kind of d-pad, it's not finger friendly enough even on this size screen to get by without it. If losing the hardware controls is a necessity of that larger screen, then they need to replace the UI completely, and use some other OS.
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Are you guys serious?
Let's see the complaints that make this device "just another WM phone."
1. TV-OUT Capability
Why do I need this? WHEN will I need this? If I am at home, I will use my laptop to connect my HDTV via HDMI. Using a phone at home for it's TV-Out capability is well, useless. If you can afford this device, and are tech-savvy enough to know about it, then odds are you have an HDMI capable computer and TV.
The ONLY scenario where I could see this feature be useful is if I wanted to output video on a random TV, maybe at a bar:
"Hey bartender, hook up my HTC TOUCH HD to the TV please."
LOL
Come on!
2. Hard one handed usage? This coming from people who love QWERTY keyboards. I find this hilarious. What's so hard about it? Move your thumb around and you're good to go.
3. OMG! Weird camera lens box!! WTF is weird about it? Now, if you want to tell me no flash, alright I can agree with that. But to nag about the camera lens box? I think it looks good. I mean, I honestly don't care what it looks like as long as it's not pink with rainbows.
What are some other complaints?
No directional pad. Well, you have a 3.8in TOUCH screen and you want a d-pad? Is this a joke? If you want a d-pad, don't buy a TOUCH screen.
No games. Who plays games on their phone? Seriously. If you want to play games, go and buy a PSP or DS.
Home screen only shows a couple of appointments. This is a SLIGHT issue, but something tells me it will be fixed in no time by the heads roaming these forums.
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Now, let's compare these issues with the iPhone, since there were about 101 insinuations that we are desperate WM fan boys.
No TV-out:
iPhone doesn't have TV out either. OOOOOOOO.
Weird camera lens box:
iPhone has a useless 2megapixel camera without recording or focus features.
One handed usage:
Anyone notice that you have to slide SIDEWAYS just to unlock the iPhone? Explain to me how you are going to do that with ONE hand. At least HTC had the foresight to allow you to use the phone primarily with your thumb with up and down gestures.
The HTC Touch HD is NOT like any other WM phone or ANY phone for that matter. It's sensitivity is far superior, beautiful screen, FAST, and can do anything you can throw at it besides useless things such as outputting video at a bar.
Oh, and please don't get me started on the lack of iPhone features. How about the ability to CUT and PASTE? Want to talk to me about the iPhone marketplace? There are programmers all over the net with custom programs for WM that allows us to do basically ANYTHING, even emulate the iPhone.
Give me a break. This is a GREAT device and as far as I can tell, the only thing missing is flash.
And if you want to really be douche about it, most phones nowadays have a phone, video/music player, and a camera! So I guess we should all just get ourselves a Nokia 7610 and cluck.
So, could I use Second Today to run something like the Spb Today screen (because I am used to and love its flexible Appointments display), or am I mixing up technologies?
And just how safe /easy is it for a non-techie to install Second Today, and to change the button functions (and does this require a registry change, because now I'm starting to talk a new language?)
And, whilst I'm in a writing mood, the other issues raised were video playback quality, and suspected lag in GPS navigation.
Can anyone confirm the current situation with these. Is the playback quality acceptable without dropped frames, and has it been absolutely confirmed by a real test that there is no GPS lag?
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I think it's yet another half-a***d swipe at the iPhone, without any real thought put into it. WM fans want to believe this is "the one" that's going to give them everything they (perhaps secretly) really like about the iPhone, while still wearing the Windows Mobile badge. In reality, it's just another WM phone with a bigger screen, and actually a few disadvantages over some other models (like that lack of a D-pad). In spite of the screen I really doubt the multimedia will be as slick as the iPhone, and for gaming it's a dead duck - unlike the iPhone where the appstore is brimming full of immersive games built around the iPhone's acceleromotor and multi-touch screen, the Touch HD only has the WM back catalogue to choose from, 99% of which will be written to run on non-accelerometor equipped phones with D-pads.
Meanwhile, underneath the Touchflo you still have an interface designed for a stylus, however big the display.
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haha opinions from Apple Fan Boys dont count. All opinions on gaming (based on nothing), no dpad (which i love), Poor multimedia (not from the videos ive seen), App store stinks because hacked apps for iphone way better and FREE,
I owned an Iphone for a month and couldnt get rid of it fast enough because WM offers so much more functionality for business and "hackability"
dont get wrong ! iphone is NO WAY competitor, its just a fancy phone! not more not less !
im going to buy this beast, but i really want to know is this really a big deal ?
i dont think so !
but we all know the form factor and the screen size is undeniable ! thats why im going for HD .
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1. TV-OUT Capability
Why do I need this?
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When you are on holiday? At the hotel, in a country where you dont understand local language ... you end up with CNN
So, TV-Out is nice to have! Hook it up to the hotel TV and play movie from your PDA.
Why some users complained about this TV-Out? Because the "previous" device has that, HTC Raphael. Why dont they include it in the next iteration?
Of course, probably there are some other reasons, like PRICE etc. But I see this TV-Out as a valid point.
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2. Hard one handed usage? This coming from people who love QWERTY keyboards. I find this hilarious. What's so hard about it? Move your thumb around and you're good to go.
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Not always like that. The OS (WinMo 6.1) is not specifically designed for touch screen only.
People like me, prefer to use DPAD to move around the UI, much faster, efficient and less-thumb-hurt
You may disagree, but thats you!
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No games. Who plays games on their phone? Seriously. If you want to play games, go and buy a PSP or DS.
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Woohoo ... Gaming is also part of the mobile world.
If you dont play game in your PDA, then (again) it's your choice.
You should not dictate that, because the mobile gaming market is THERE.
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Want to talk to me about the iPhone marketplace? There are programmers all over the net with custom programs for WM that allows us to do basically ANYTHING, even emulate the iPhone.
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Righty ... Please dont compare iPhone apps with WinMo apps
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Give me a break. This is a GREAT device and as far as I can tell, the only thing missing is flash.
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Yes, it is a great device. But how great is this? Depends ...
manuelcalavera said:
dont get wrong ! iphone is NO WAY competitor, its just a fancy phone! not more not less !
im going to buy this beast, but i really want to know is this really a big deal ?
i dont think so !
but we all know the form factor and the screen size is undeniable ! thats why im going for HD .
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and my apologies for not answer the question lol. Is it a big deal, nah, not when you look at all the other technology worldwide as a whole. Its nice but there is really no "phone" that is a big deal in my humble opinion.
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Now, let's compare these issues with the iPhone, since there were about 101 insinuations that we are desperate WM fan boys.
No TV-out:
iPhone doesn't have TV out either. OOOOOOOO.
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Actually yes, it does. Bad start.
Weird camera lens box:
iPhone has a useless 2megapixel camera without recording or focus features.
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Absolutely. For the record, I have no idea why anyone's complaining about the "weird camera lens box" on the HD. It's just a lens.
The iPhone's camera is just a camera, and makes no pretence to be anything more - if you want a better camera, buy one (or a different phone).
One handed usage:
Anyone notice that you have to slide SIDEWAYS just to unlock the iPhone? Explain to me how you are going to do that with ONE hand.
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Easily and quickly about a million times a day. Seriously, you're just demonstrating you've never been near one, and are desperately trying to think up things which might be wrong with it, on the strength of a few screenshots you've seen. The "slide to unlock/answer" is an excellent feature that's completely natural to use one handed - it works so well that even HTC have tried to imitate it with a similar "slide to answer" feature on the, ahem, Touch HD.
At least HTC had the foresight to allow you to use the phone primarily with your thumb with up and down gestures.
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You mean TouchFlo scrolling? The first feature that HTC copied from the iPhone, last year? Ah yes, such foresight!
The HTC Touch HD is NOT like any other WM phone or ANY phone for that matter. It's sensitivity is far superior, beautiful screen, FAST, and can do anything you can throw at it besides useless things such as outputting video at a bar.
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Wake up and smell yesterday's coffee. It's like like every other WM phone, runs the same software as every other WM phone, it even has the same processor and internal spec as most other current WM phones. The screen is new, as is the inconvenient lack of d-pad - everything else is the same old same old.
Oh, and please don't get me started on the lack of iPhone features. How about the ability to CUT and PASTE?
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Oh, yeah, it doesn't do that. You knew about that? I thought it was a secret?
Want to talk to me about the iPhone marketplace?
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Not really, but I'll tell about the Appstore - bloody brilliant. Thousands of quality apps, many of them free, all the paid ones generally much, much cheaper than their WinMo equivalents, and all there to be browsed and downloaded right on the device, updates alerted and downloaded in the same way.. yep, it's a fantastic system. Is that what you wanted to know?
There are programmers all over the net with custom programs for WM that allows us to do basically ANYTHING, even emulate the iPhone.
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Now why would you want to emulate a rubbish old iPhone?
For the record, I used a Tytn II for the past year, I've never owned a Mac, and I've never been a "fanboy" of any damn thing, but if you think the iPhone's a soft target for a bit of WinMo frustration, you're mistaken.
Ive been waiting for a W995 for a few months now, forgot about the x1, but recentley i saw play.com are selling them for £400 and the W995 will be £380. Question is, which one should i choose?? Should i take the risk with WM or stick with A200 which im pretty board with tbh and really need a change. Can some one please answer these questions.
1.) Im quite fast when using my phone for basic tasks ie sending a text message, which is faster A200 or WM??
2.) I wont be using an X1 for modding and using loads of apps etc i would just use the media section, the camera, text messaging, interent browsing, and some light gaming and thats pretty much it, would the X1 be okay for just that?? (i dont mind there been all these extra feats)
3.) Is the media player fast, ie browsing photos, choosings songs etc??
4.)Can you minimize the music player while the music is playing??
5.)Can the text message section be used on the panels page??
6.)If i set an alarm on the X1 will it still go off even if the phone is switched off??
7.)Can you have more than one page of panels??
Thanks for answers, im really considering the X1 and your opinion will really help me decide.
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Ive been waiting for a W995 for a few months now, forgot about the x1, but recentley i saw play.com are selling them for £400 and the W995 will be £380. Question is, which one should i choose?? Should i take the risk with WM or stick with A200 which im pretty board with tbh and really need a change. Can some one please answer these questions.
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1.) Im quite fast when using my phone for basic tasks ie sending a text message, which is faster A200 or WM??
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If you have WM set up it couldn't be faster, and remember you have a QWERTY Keyboard with the X1. It makes me type 10 times faster than with a normal boring mobile phone keyboard.
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2.) I wont be using an X1 for modding and using loads of apps etc i would just use the media section, the camera, text messaging, interent browsing, and some light gaming and thats pretty much it, would the X1 be okay for just that?? (i dont mind there been all these extra feats)
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It's very good for these tasks, camera could have more MP but hey, it's enough if you think about it. Keep in mind that gaming might not be so much fun. There are only a few games that look good on WVGA. Haven't tried "normal" JAVA games yet, but I think the high resolution of the X1 could be a problem.
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3.) Is the media player fast, ie browsing photos, choosings songs etc??
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Haven't experienced a faster one yet. Especially browsing photos is quite fast, in particular if you use 3rd Party SOftware like Reco Photo Viewer.
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4.)Can you minimize the music player while the music is playing??
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Lol. For sure. You can do 10 things at once.
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5.)Can the text message section be used on the panels page??
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Yes, depending on the panel you're using. For example PointUI can show your text messages. There is a free version of it.
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6.)If i set an alarm on the X1 will it still go off even if the phone is switched off??
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No. But you can switch the phone function of separately, so battery consumption will be VERY little. No need to turn it fully off. (Power-on consumes quite a lot of battery, btw).
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7.)Can you have more than one page of panels??
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No (t yet).
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Thanks for answers, im really considering the X1 and your opinion will really help me decide.
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I recommend you to buy an X1, but I strongly suggest you organise some additional software. You should furthermore know that WM is not just an alternate operating system. It will probably be quite different from what you've experienced so far. More like a PC.
Firefall pretty much said it all , but still.....
Short answer:
yes
Long answer:
Wtf? You don't have a Xperia? Go get one right now . Best phone in the world.
Cheers.
No, wait for the X2 to come out.
EDIT: NOW THAT I READ YOUR POST...Don't listen to these people
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Ive been waiting for a W995 for a few months now, forgot about the x1, but recentley i saw play.com are selling them for £400 and the W995 will be £380. Question is, which one should i choose?? Should i take the risk with WM or stick with A200 which im pretty board with tbh and really need a change. Can some one please answer these questions.
1.) Im quite fast when using my phone for basic tasks ie sending a text message, which is faster A200 or WM??
2.) I wont be using an X1 for modding and using loads of apps etc i would just use the media section, the camera, text messaging, interent browsing, and some light gaming and thats pretty much it, would the X1 be okay for just that?? (i dont mind there been all these extra feats)
3.) Is the media player fast, ie browsing photos, choosings songs etc??
4.)Can you minimize the music player while the music is playing??
5.)Can the text message section be used on the panels page??
6.)If i set an alarm on the X1 will it still go off even if the phone is switched off??
7.)Can you have more than one page of panels??
Thanks for answers, im really considering the X1 and your opinion will really help me decide.
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1) WTF is an A200? A panasonic phone? If so switch to Windows Mobile cause the Panasonic phone im looking at is crap! http://www.gsmarena.com/panasonic_a200-911.php
2) If you don't use this phone for ROMs or atleast installing a lot of good applications...THIS PHONE SUCKS
3) The Media Player is very nice interface and looks, but it is slow at seeking tracks, what I mean by seeking is tapping the cue line so you can instantly fast forward to a specific point in time. Picture viewer in the media panel is sub par.
4) You can't minimize the media panel, unless you mod the phone simply by installing a shortcut to the panel to run as an application instead of a today screen. If you want a fast media player that is a good today plugin, and plays in background get Touch Pro 2.
5) You can send a text on any panel, but you only have windows mobile software to text. Sony Ericsson didn't include any other texting programs.
6) Not at all.
7) Only 1 panel at a time. 9 panels MAX when you click panels button.
If you aren't into this customizing stuff. DO NOT GET AN X1. That's what Windows Mobile is all about..especially the X1.
The X1 is capable of many things, but it comes to you with nothing special until you make it special.
X1 is for people who are willing to spend the time on their phone. X1 isn't casual.
Otherwise get an Iphone, or a Touch FLO phone, or Symbian Phone which is basically the SE W995, or get a Touch symbian phone Samsung HD or Nokia N97.
Trust me, if you are used to accepting what your phone has on its own, you should get something that isn't windows mobile. If you want a casual phone with windows mobile, and you dont want to mod, they you have to get a phone with Touch Flo already built in.
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Trust me, if you are used to accepting what your phone has on its own, you should get something that isn't windows mobile. If you want a casual phone with windows mobile, and you dont want to mod, they you have to get a phone with Touch Flo already built in.
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I'm with you on this one. I'm good with computers but I'm no modder, the only reason I kept with my X1 (I'm onto my 2nd one now) is that I want to learn how to mod WinMo and dev. software for the platform.
Get the W995, HTC Touch Pro 2 or iPhone, it's an out of the box experience whereas the X1 needs special treatment.
I'll agree with the last few posts, that if you're not planning on (or at least interested in) shopping around for apps, the X1 is a fairly boring phone on its own. Granted, it's still the best out-of-the-box WM phone I've seen, and I work selling the things, but WM is truly all about the customization. ROMs might not be necessary, but the apps definitely make the experience.
Though to clarify on the alarm; it won't work with the phone turned completely off, but it WILL work:
1. When the phone radio is turned off.
2. When the phone is on silent (I love this feature).
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ROFL
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What the heck do you mean ROFL? One guy told him to YES get the phone even though he wants something good but simple. In his post he said that he doesn't want to mod his phone. Do you know what's going to happen if an average joe user buys an Xperia? He is going to hate it. Sorry but this is the truth.
A person who doesn't add extra stuff to a windows mobile phone is bound to hate windows mobile forever. Do you realize that not everybody hates the iPhone? That's because they hate something else such as a Windows Mobile phone. I have read comments from forums to youtube about people complaining and bashing Windows Mobile...and what do they always say? "Worst interface ever, YEARS behind". They want a good out of the box experience.
This guy is looking for a good out of the box experience. I am sure that Xperia sucks if it didn't have the option to install applications or flash into a different ROM.
This isn't funny buddy.
For just casual use, nope. You could get something much better and suited to your needs. iPhone would probably be the top-line of what you want.
the x1 phone could be better , but , there again , there is no better
It all depends on the kind of food you eat, if you eat allot of ready made meals, the iphone is the best fast food out there, however if you like to cook for yourself, there are allot of interesting ingredients out there for windows, but it takes some time, trial and error before you can combine them into a satisfying meal.
I think everyone could benefit from learning how to cook with simple ingredients, but I realise not everyone has the time or the patience, for these people there is the iphone.
If you do learn the rewards can be very satisfying, and there is no more versitile cooker or better looker than the X1.
It has took me nearly 8 months, to find the performance limits of the x1, my work on 3D has developed to such a level that I am constantly come up against out of memory errors, soon I could be ready for a new device.
This is no disrespect to the X1, my PC has a high end processor, good video card and 4 gb or ram, and it also gives me out of memory errors.
The x1 was touted as the iphone killer, this was misguided, as there will always be a market for mass produced fast food.
The x1 is a thriller...A laptop killer.
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What the heck do you mean ROFL? One guy told him to YES get the phone even though he wants something good but simple. In his post he said that he doesn't want to mod his phone. Do you know what's going to happen if an average joe user buys an Xperia? He is going to hate it. Sorry but this is the truth.
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A guy who is looking for a simple phone is in the wrong place on XDA. He does not want a normalo device.
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A person who doesn't add extra stuff to a windows mobile phone is bound to hate windows mobile forever. Do you realize that not everybody hates the iPhone? That's because they hate something else such as a Windows Mobile phone. I have read comments from forums to youtube about people complaining and bashing Windows Mobile...and what do they always say? "Worst interface ever, YEARS behind". They want a good out of the box experience.
This guy is looking for a good out of the box experience. I am sure that Xperia sucks if it didn't have the option to install applications or flash into a different ROM.
This isn't funny buddy.
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NO phone is good out of the box. You always have to mess around with it. Furthermore, in my post I mentioned that he SHOULD get soem additional software. It's not magic to download and install something, you know? Even the average I-have-no-clue-User can do it.
Hmmm, thanks for the response, i couldnt get an iphone as its too simple with no structure and basic tasks missing. I dont mind tweaking with my phone as long as its simple and easy, i have modded my C902 so im not afraid to try new things.
On a scale of 1 to 10, 10been the easiest and 1been extremely diffecult, how easy is it to modd the X1???
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No, wait for the X2 to come out.
EDIT: NOW THAT I READ YOUR POST...Don't listen to these people
1) WTF is an A200? A panasonic phone? If so switch to Windows Mobile cause the Panasonic phone im looking at is crap! http://www.gsmarena.com/panasonic_a200-911.php2) If you don't use this phone for ROMs or atleast installing a lot of good applications...THIS PHONE SUCKS
3) The Media Player is very nice interface and looks, but it is slow at seeking tracks, what I mean by seeking is tapping the cue line so you can instantly fast forward to a specific point in time. Picture viewer in the media panel is sub par.
4) You can't minimize the media panel, unless you mod the phone simply by installing a shortcut to the panel to run as an application instead of a today screen. If you want a fast media player that is a good today plugin, and plays in background get Touch Pro 2.
5) You can send a text on any panel, but you only have windows mobile software to text. Sony Ericsson didn't include any other texting programs.
6) Not at all.
7) Only 1 panel at a time. 9 panels MAX when you click panels button.
If you aren't into this customizing stuff. DO NOT GET AN X1. That's what Windows Mobile is all about..especially the X1.
The X1 is capable of many things, but it comes to you with nothing special until you make it special.
X1 is for people who are willing to spend the time on their phone. X1 isn't casual.
Otherwise get an Iphone, or a Touch FLO phone, or Symbian Phone which is basically the SE W995, or get a Touch symbian phone Samsung HD or Nokia N97.
Trust me, if you are used to accepting what your phone has on its own, you should get something that isn't windows mobile. If you want a casual phone with windows mobile, and you dont want to mod, they you have to get a phone with Touch Flo already built in.
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A200 is Se latets OS
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A200 is Se latets OS
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when u say its there latest OS, do u mean java based OS for there cheap phones?
as they use symbian on almost all there standard to high end phones, all top end W and C ranges use symbian as does the W995
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when u say its there latest OS, do u mean java based OS for there cheap phones?
as they use symbian on almost all there standard to high end phones, all top end W and C ranges use symbian as does the W995
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No youve got it all wrong, SE no longer uses Symbian, the last Symbian phone was announced 2years ago and was taken of the shelves a week after release. The latest SE phone the W995 (£380) which is the top dog of the Walkman phones runs on se Java OS A200. The Concpet phone Idou runs on Symbian Foundation and was announced in Janurary as a concept phone and there will be a official anouncment this Friday (may 28th),
Dat dere X1 is great
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No youve got it all wrong, SE no longer uses Symbian, the last Symbian phone was announced 2years ago and was taken of the shelves a week after release. The latest SE phone the W995 (£380) which is the top dog of the Walkman phones runs on se Java OS A200. The Concpet phone Idou runs on Symbian Foundation and was announced in Janurary as a concept phone and there will be a official anouncment this Friday (may 28th),
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ah, i see. they looked like symbian software so i just assumed that they were. the last SE phone i had (before the wm x1) was a w960i and that ran on symbian and the idou runs on symbian (foundation).
very interesting indeed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5F0Ruzwos8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xMUEhFBJ8g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa1zvj5YDy4
The final installment of the epic battle: iPhone vs HTC Hero, iPhone OS vs Android, Apple vs Google ... Whose cuisine will reign supreme? Noah gives his opinion, anyway.
The real question is where is WINMO here and our beloved SE X1?
I think nobody doubt's that the UI of the X1 is not the best. If it would be that good, why would such a lot of people install Manila or Titanium. You cannot describe the Panel-thingy as real UI because it hasn't been pushed forward by SE. There are to be honest no useful new panels since months. The only thing SE does now is selling SPB MS3 e.g. in Korea as X1-UI.
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I think nobody doubt's that the UI of the X1 is not the best. If it would be that good, why would such a lot of people install Manila or Titanium. You cannot describe the Panel-thingy as real UI because it hasn't been pushed forward by SE. There are to be honest no useful new panels since months. The only thing SE does now is selling SPB MS3 e.g. in Korea as X1-UI.
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I'm in Korea. trust me it sucks. Slower than ever, full of bloatware and corporate advertisement, and no english options.
apple's ui on both iphone and computer is way above the line, no doubt about it, apple just need to add a hardware keyboard, full multitasking abilities with 3rd party apps without having to install another 3rd party app for this purpose, and a few more goodies to win me over, god knows i hate to use onscreen keyboards
Hero Sense UI looks sexy, makes u wonder if its really android
"iPhone 3GS vs HTC Hero" where does the x1 come into it
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apple's ui on both iphone and computer is way above the line, no doubt about it, apple just need to add a hardware keyboard, full multitasking abilities with 3rd party apps without having to install another 3rd party app for this purpose, and a few more goodies to win me over
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Haha, this "just" things is ****..ng alot man!
lol yea, the iphone is a good device dont get me wrong lol, but its just not good enough for me, imagine if i had it with my x1, i think i'd only use it for games...i dont think i would ever buy a device without a hardware keyboard, and to know that i cant minimize an app to use another, hmmm i doubt that too...
That's what I mean.
Fruit misses alot.
Yet another iPhone casualty
This is so frustrating that it's funny. I think the first TRUE iPhone competition (meaning: a great highly-refined user experience, online software/music downloads, smooth running, etc.), will come from Microsoft and WM7 with it's app store and Zune capability. Everything on the market up until then, I have a strong feeling, will come up short like the HTC Hero and Palm Pre does. This is not to say there won't be great phones, but, pound-for-pound, it'll take Microsoft and a hardware partner to come up with a TRUE iphone competitor.
It's amazing how the new superior features of the HTC Hero still fell flat in the face of the aging iPhone GUI. It was very obvious in the videos. The true iPhone competitor will have iTunes equivalent, AppStore competition, ultra-smooth GUI (don't give me BS about so-called upcoming software optimizations ). MS could one up Apple by including total voice control of the phone, XBox games, Zune features, fully integrated Bing voice search, etc.
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Yet another iPhone casualty
This is so frustrating that it's funny. I think the first TRUE iPhone competition (meaning: a great highly-refined user experience, online software/music downloads, smooth running, etc.), will come from Microsoft and WM7 with it's app store and Zune capability. Everything on the market up until then, I have a strong feeling, will come up short like the HTC Hero and Palm Pre does. This is not to say there won't be great phones, but, pound-for-pound, it'll take Microsoft and a hardware partner to come up with a TRUE iphone competitor.
It's amazing how the new superior features of the HTC Hero still fell flat in the face of the aging iPhone GUI. It was very obvious in the videos. The true iPhone competitor will have iTunes equivalent, AppStore competition, ultra-smooth GUI (don't give me BS about so-called upcoming software optimizations ). MS could one up Apple by including total voice control of the phone, XBox games, Zune features, fully integrated Bing voice search, etc.
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WM 7 could do that I think.
And future integration is a must too.
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WM 7 could do that I think.
And future integration is a must too.
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...and forget about compatibility with previous WM versions. They need to start completely fresh.
Uh.....
So, you want to compare a sub par feature phone with no real OS and a smartphone with a promising OS to a full mobile computer??? HAHAHAHAHA
Right.....
VelikiMeshtar said:
iPhone.... iPhone OS......... Apple.......
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...and forget about compatibility with previous WM versions. They need to start completely fresh.
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Not neccesarily but possibly.
^^^ a little file compatibility, and that should be it. I don't think MS should bog itself down with legacy code compatibility.
And since MS isn't making the hardware, they need to get really specific and strict on the variety of WM hardware being created. I think when software developers have to account for too many different form factors, the user experience gets watered down.
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I'm in Korea. trust me it sucks. Slower than ever, full of bloatware and corporate advertisement, and no english options.
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Delete the spbmobileshell.txt file in /Program Files/SPB Mobile Shell. After rebooting, the UI will be in English.
somehow i cant see anyone being accustom to using the 480x800 resolution will resort to the iphone(unless the resolution is increased in the next model), its true the iphone has millions of colors, but damn, i hate being able to see the pixels on a phone, i actually made a guy jealous yesterday after he saw the resolution on my SEX1...the iphone still has some catching up to do before i switch, but as i said before, the os has the best gui...everyone knows, apple scores big when it comes to their OS GUI (including the OS in general)
also note, those who claim the iphone is faster than the x1
it takes like a 1.5 -2 second delay to open stock apps on the iphone, on my x1 only a few 3rd party apps takes this long
now the 3g s is out, that should be compared to the x2, still i doubt the iphone 3g s can outrun the xperia
if SE had to open a store selling the x1 housing for at least $25 USD, i dont think i would be selling my x1, because its the best damn device out there right now despite the lack of games for the resolution
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somehow i cant see anyone being accustom to using the 480x800 resolution will resort to the iphone(unless the resolution is increased in the next model), its true the iphone has millions of colors, but damn, i hate being able to see the pixels on a phone, i actually made a guy jealous yesterday after he saw the resolution on my SEX1...the iphone still has some catching up to do before i switch, but as i said before, the os has the best gui...everyone knows, apple scores big when it comes to their OS GUI (including the OS in general)
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Yes, the WVGA screen is really impressive. I think iPhone is stuck at it's lower resolution because it uses capacitive touch technology. Capacitive doesn't allow the precision of the resistive technology of the X1. You'll notice that the Hero with it's capacitive screen is also lo-res.
No one can see the difference between 16M colors and 65K unless you're looking at gradients. Besides, the iPhone screen only has 153600 pixels...where the hell are you going to fit 16million colors?
also note, those who claim the iphone is faster than the x1
it takes like a 1.5 -2 second delay to open stock apps on the iphone, on my x1 only a few 3rd party apps takes this long
now the 3g s is out, that should be compared to the x2, still i doubt the iphone 3g s can outrun the xperia
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Sorry, you're going to need to prove that one. Many of my friends have iPhones, and the first thing you notice when using one is how fast and fluid it's response is. You have to take into account, iPhone has multitasking disabled AND it has a faster CPU (600 or so MHz I think) AND GUI optimized OS. Maybe programs take the same amount of time to load as X1, but, they flow so much smoother. Even smooth apps on the X1 such as YouTube, PhoneEx, CNN panel still are not as quick and smooth as the iPhone.
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Sorry, you're going to need to prove that one. Many of my friends have iPhones, and the first thing you notice when using one is how fast and fluid it's response is. You have to take into account, iPhone has multitasking disabled AND it has a faster CPU (600 or so MHz I think) and GUI optimized OS.
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He doesn't have to prove anything, because my X1 is faster than an iCrap as well.
Sorry, you're going to need to prove that one. Many of my friends have iPhones, and the first thing you notice when using one is how fast and fluid it's response is. You have to take into account, iPhone has multitasking disabled AND it has a faster CPU (600 or so MHz I think) and GUI optimized OS.
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did that yesterday dude, windows calender on my x1 opens faster then the iphone ical
note that this guy does not have any 3rd party apps on his iphone
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He doesn't have to prove anything, because my X1 is faster than an iCrap as well.
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I'm sure there are tons of comparison videos on YouTube. Show me one that has the X1 being faster and more fluid than iPhone.
And I'm talking overall, not just one particular program's load time.
Seems that WinMo lack of good stuffs... You know that WinMo based devices are equipped with touch screen, but why. WHY even the same app, the iPhone one got really nice GUI than WinMo one?
Try to google some apps that available on both iPhone and WinMo. Even though they got same functionality, the iPhone one got nicer GUI than WinMo.
The WinMo one always got SUCK GUI... That's really not right...
and I hope the first answer isn't just: Buy iPhone instead of complaining. And if you call yourselves a bunch of good programmer then make a program with nice interface like iPhone's apps instead of ordinary conventional WinMo apps...
the only ewplanation dude is that WM phones are corporate oriented instead of the Iphone.
Apple also spend lot of money in advertising to let people know about the iphone and hire lots of sbcontractors in order to develop games and apps.... so that is why lots of programmer and designer are working with the Iphone...
But I think this is going to change in the next future as HTC finally understood that the need to spent money on advertising
Nice answer... thanks... ^^
But, you know moTweets right?
The super cheap Twitter client (only US$3.99) that Panoramic Software developed.
It has a very nice GUI like iPhone, got complete and perfectly-working feature as well.
And this morning I asked Panoramic to develop Facebook application as well, since there is no single good/decent Facebook application for WinMo yet.
I asked them to make Facebook application for WinMo with nice GUI like moTweets and the functionality like Facebook for BlackBerry.
And here's their answer to my idea (we had conversation via Twitter) @PanoramicSoft: "We will definitely consider creating a Facebook app for WinMo. Thanks."
So, just tweet them and give them a vote.
They're surveying whether they need to develop this app or not.
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And this morning I asked Panoramic to develop Facebook application as well, since there is no single good/decent Facebook application for WinMo yet.
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Yes there is. Microsoft developed one.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/downloads/facebook.mspx
Yup, I'm aware of that software. But is it a good one? It just a failure I think. Can't even load the NewsFeed properly, need manual refresh to get the current feed. What I mean is: the one that got feature like BlackBerry's Facebok program and nice iPhone-like GUI.
And forgot to tell you. Do you notice that Microsoft's Facebook app just stuck at 1.0.0.7p with no future development?
Me, personally won't count it a program, its a complete failure and crap that Microsoft released to fulfill user's demand for Facebook app. Am I wrong? ^^
Cheers... ^^
Hy,
i think that apple has a brilliant marketing strategie for iphone. But not more!!!
No, you're wrong. We, as a bunch of good developer, surely can make programs like iPhone one. isn't the GUI just a drawings after all? If we can skin our ordinary apps into something eyecatching like iPhone's app, then why not?
You know the fact: Blackberry got nice working Facebook app, iPhone also got one. What about our so called legendary OS WinMo? The oldest even before iPhone. Not even single decent Facebook app!!!
Am I wrong?
If you count the Microsoft's Facebook app as the good one, then I guess it can't be helped. But I'm really not satisfied with that not-working program.
Some men see things as they are and say why - I dream things that never were and say why not.
Since the first reply was not just go get an Iphone, this reply should be good enough. Just get an Iphone then
Well, WM is much older, so most apps out there are still ugly and stylus-dependent.
Also it was first made for businessmen, not the common user, we just adapted it to our needs with TONS of amateur freeware here.
And since the iPhone is new (and because of that, vastly superior on video card and CPU), there arent ppl around with old hardware.
And dont get me started on the games department... stop making frikking puzzles and start making quakes!
I think the main issue is the SDK. There are a lot of easy libraries for the iPhone that make it easy to make a nice looking program for the iPhone. WinMo is starting to add some nicer looking buttons and stuff to it's library, so hopefully around WM7 time, people will be creating stuff on an equal scale.
The other big issue for WinMo as opposed to iPhone, is that when you are devoloping for the iPhone, you only have 1 screen size, and 1 hardware spec to deal with. With WinMo, you have to account for all of the different phones and different hardware.
Where is this nice GUI for the iPhone you have been talking about? I have yet to see anything but a bunch of icon for a GUI?
So if you look at these two images you would chose the iPhone GUI over the WinMobile one? Long story short, we can make our WinMobile's look like an iPhone but can they make there iPhone's look like WinMobile? Yes there is a lot of new cool stuff out there for iPhone as far as apps go but how much of it is free and how much of it is actually useful?
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Where is this nice GUI for the iPhone you have been talking about? I have yet to see anything but a bunch of icon for a GUI?
So if you look at these two images you would chose the iPhone GUI over the WinMobile one? Long story short, we can make our WinMobile's look like an iPhone but can they make there iPhone's look like WinMobile? Yes there is a lot of new cool stuff out there for iPhone as far as apps go but how much of it is free and how much of it is actually useful?
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that's android, not WM
I agree totaly with TS. All the winmobile applications looks like crap, they look the same they did like 4-5 years ago, there is a "arcade pack" for touch pro, and seriously I think nintendo 8bit has better graphics. Every application always looks like crap games look and work like crap. You guys always say that HTC phones are mostly made for office people but seriously have many of you actully are office people and not techis like me? I love the htc phones, the idea of having a mobile with windows is teh ****. I think winmobile phones could be 100% better then Iphone, it's been around alot longer then iphone, iphone has been around for 2 years and it kicks htc's asssss!
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The phone in the pic may be android but, my phone looks just like this and it is not android.
Here is a link to my work. http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15732
with windows mobile u can multi-task.
there is developer freedom in the winmo world. u can get a cab from xda and install as opposed to the facist apple world.
most winmo apps are free.
nuff said.
i will not deny that winmo applications look like a telnet window, but we are slowly getting there. im expecting a lot from winmo 6.5 and 7. 7 might just even be the best smartphone os out there will multi touch, finger friendly ui and a great development platform. not to mention microsoft is really giving good incentives for the market place so that should kick off well too.
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The phone in the pic may be android but, my phone looks just like this and it is not android.
Here is a link to my work. http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15732
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I dont see the likness in of an android thou it looks really good. But i like touchflo3d, you got everything integrated like musicplayer etc.
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I dont see the likness in of an android thou it looks really good. But i like touchflo3d, you got everything integrated like musicplayer etc.
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Agreed! I think so too!
This argument isn't over which platform is better for everyday use, it's only about the UI of applications. There's no doubt, the *average* program on the iPhone looks a lot better than the *average* program on WM.
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Well, WM is much older, so most apps out there are still ugly and stylus-dependent.
Also it was first made for businessmen, not the common user, we just adapted it to our needs with TONS of amateur freeware here.
And since the iPhone is new (and because of that, vastly superior on video card and CPU), there arent ppl around with old hardware.
And dont get me started on the games department... stop making frikking puzzles and start making quakes!
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But now, it's used as a standard PDA-Phone instead of businessman.
And most of my friend use WinMo PDAs like TP2, but they only use it for game, facebook, and stuffs.
About hardware, the iPhone's hardware isn't better than today's PDA. Well, the big issue maybe the VGA driver. Today's WinMo isn't equipped with decent VGA drivers. But, blame on the PDA's maker for it.
And about game, I totally agree with you. Stop making those card and tetris game. That's why WinMo isn't well developed. Developers just need to start making those 3D games like -again- iPhone's. There's no better games than iPhone's.
We got far more superior hardware, but why? Why ppl never utilize it? They only make those card and tetris and puzzle game. 2D ugly boring game.
And one question: Can the devs just make a new app with futuristic GUI? Again: Panoramic's moTweets got nice GUI. iPhone like GUI indeed.
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I think the main issue is the SDK. There are a lot of easy libraries for the iPhone that make it easy to make a nice looking program for the iPhone. WinMo is starting to add some nicer looking buttons and stuff to it's library, so hopefully around WM7 time, people will be creating stuff on an equal scale.
The other big issue for WinMo as opposed to iPhone, is that when you are devoloping for the iPhone, you only have 1 screen size, and 1 hardware spec to deal with. With WinMo, you have to account for all of the different phones and different hardware.
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About screen, I guess you're right. But what I'm talking about isn't the screen size. It's about make those button image looks futuristic and more eye catching. It's about art and graphic design right?
And not to speak bad about MS. I simply lost faith in MS. MS' simple program, their Facebook program for example, can you count it as a good program?
Isn't that just a matter of making the graphics? Is it really need a SDK to create those graphics?
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Where is this nice GUI for the iPhone you have been talking about? I have yet to see anything but a bunch of icon for a GUI?
So if you look at these two images you would chose the iPhone GUI over the WinMobile one? Long story short, we can make our WinMobile's look like an iPhone but can they make there iPhone's look like WinMobile? Yes there is a lot of new cool stuff out there for iPhone as far as apps go but how much of it is free and how much of it is actually useful?
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Yes, its the ICON and buttons and sort of that things actually needed in WinMo's apps.
You see that we got far more superior hardware than iPhone. But why wasting that resource?
As developers, we can make something useful (not like a bunch of useless crap in iPhone) but in such an artistic way. Just replace those old button with glossy button and more futuristic shape. Isn't that just a matter of making the graphics? Is it really need a SDK to create those graphics?
Another example: Palringo messaging got nice GUI as well. So y'all know I'm not promoting moTweets.
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I agree totaly with TS. All the winmobile applications looks like crap, they look the same they did like 4-5 years ago, there is a "arcade pack" for touch pro, and seriously I think nintendo 8bit has better graphics. Every application always looks like crap games look and work like crap. You guys always say that HTC phones are mostly made for office people but seriously have many of you actully are office people and not techis like me? I love the htc phones, the idea of having a mobile with windows is teh ****. I think winmobile phones could be 100% better then Iphone, it's been around alot longer then iphone, iphone has been around for 2 years and it kicks htc's asssss!
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Yup, I'm totally agree with you also.
This all WinMo's apps are great programs but with crap GUI, in fact this nowadays WinMo's app GUI is like WinMo 2003 app GUI.
And you got my point.
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with windows mobile u can multi-task.
there is developer freedom in the winmo world. u can get a cab from xda and install as opposed to the facist apple world.
most winmo apps are free.
nuff said.
i will not deny that winmo applications look like a telnet window, but we are slowly getting there. im expecting a lot from winmo 6.5 and 7. 7 might just even be the best smartphone os out there will multi touch, finger friendly ui and a great development platform. not to mention microsoft is really giving good incentives for the market place so that should kick off well too.
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How slow, even Microsoft don't have any good intention to upgrade such a small program like their Facebook program. And I really laugh about WinMo 7. More bugs will come while the old bugs still there.
The WinMo 7 will got nice GUI indeed, but we're talking about the apps. Take the SMS app for example. It just like the oooolllllldddd WinMo's SMS GUI. Look at iPhone's one. Even though we got threading SMS as well but the INTERFACE is really ugly.
Am I wrong?
WoZZeR999 said:
This argument isn't over which platform is better for everyday use, it's only about the UI of applications. There's no doubt, the *average* program on the iPhone looks a lot better than the *average* program on WM.
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Yes, that's what I'm talking about. You get my idea. I'm comparing the apps and the GUI especialy.
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The question is: Is it really hard to make a good buttons and icons and you know; just to mention a few of it: some nice messaging box, glossy and round-edged button, transparent icon, remove the left-right and up-down old navigation bar that used for scrolling and replace it with kinetic-scrolling, etc etc..