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Navizon - gps/cell tower/WiFI navigation

This program is awesome.
It is a navigation progam the uses cell towers, wifi AP's, or GPS.
Maps load faster than google maps in my opinion.
BUT the coolest thing is that they will pay you to collect data for them. As your driving around it searches for AP's and cell towers and stores that info along with the GPS locations. Then you send that info to their servers and they give you points. 2 per wifi AP and 10 per cell tower. When you get 10,000 points they give you $20. I know 10,000 sounds like a lot, but I've used this a few hours while driving around town to the store and stuff like that and I already have over 2000 points.
Check it out, it's free
First goto:
http://my.navizon.com/Webapps/UserAdmin/register.aspx?referral_code=5D56565E5A56
and sign up for an account, then you can either download the free version from their site, or I've included a link to the .cab file here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/83451235/NavizonCab.cab.html

mbritten said:
This program is awesome.
It is a navigation progam the uses cell towers, wifi AP's, or GPS.
Maps load faster than google maps in my opinion.
BUT the coolest thing is that they will pay you to collect data for them. As your driving around it searches for AP's and cell towers and stores that info along with the GPS locations. Then you send that info to their servers and they give you points. 2 per wifi AP and 10 per cell tower. When you get 10,000 points they give you $20. I know 10,000 sounds like a lot, but I've used this a few hours while driving around town to the store and stuff like that and I already have over 2000 points.
Check it out, it's free
First goto:
http://my.navizon.com/Webapps/UserAdmin/register.aspx?referral_code=5D56565E5A56
and sign up for an account, then you can either download the free version from their site, or I've included a link to the .cab file here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/83451235/NavizonCab.cab.html
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Then again, this capability is built into Google Maps locator feature, at least to some degree, without having to download, sign up, etc., etc. Maybe Navizon has improved since last I tried it, but I have found Google Maps' feature useful for a "quick fix" to do a local search. If I need a better fix for actual navigation, well the Athena does have built-in GPS, yeah? What am I missing?

wgary said:
Then again, this capability is built into Google Maps locator feature, at least to some degree, without having to download, sign up, etc., etc. Maybe Navizon has improved since last I tried it, but I have found Google Maps' feature useful for a "quick fix" to do a local search. If I need a better fix for actual navigation, well the Athena does have built-in GPS, yeah? What am I missing?
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The fact that you have GPS is why this program in usefull. While you are driving about you can have this program running and it will search for cell towers and wifi ap's, then it will upload that info along with the GPS location of all of these items. You get points for each and can get money. I've used it for 3 days and just got $20. it really doesn't take that long to earn enough points, and thats with regular driving around. It wouldn't make sense to go drive around for this purpose along, but hey, if your going somewhere anyway, why not.

How to turn on GPS?
mbritten said:
The fact that you have GPS is why this program in usefull. While you are driving about you can have this program running and it will search for cell towers and wifi ap's, then it will upload that info along with the GPS location of all of these items. You get points for each and can get money. I've used it for 3 days and just got $20. it really doesn't take that long to earn enough points, and thats with regular driving around. It wouldn't make sense to go drive around for this purpose along, but hey, if your going somewhere anyway, why not.
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Hi. Forgive me for being un-hightech (brain a bit fried today). But I hope u can enlighten me:
1) How do u turn on GPS function on the phone? Just go to mobile provider to activate service and it will be on 4ever??
2) So for navison to detect the towers etc, all I have to do is just start the program and it will do the rest right?
3) I managed to get some points whilst I was running the navizon programme. But I am unsure whether it was through the update of my gps position... or edge or 3g...

Well i just tried installing navizon from the ppc msi install file on their web site and i get an error when starting the program and it wants to debug, and then the program crashs. I installed it to the microdrive....ill try the phones memory this time and see how it works....if it works at all

well i tried reinstalling navizon to the phones internal memory with the same problem, installs fine, go to start program and i get "a native exception occurred:
Exception code: 0x80000002
Exception address:0x00ec8328
ok to terminate
cancel to debug
any help?

Has anyone sucessfully installed navizon on an advantage? Just curious if my error is due to something specific on my phone, or if its all advantages. If anyone can shed some light on my error message that would be great....im totally clueless

had same error
on my ameo

Cameraware (from Modaco) has this built in - not actuelly tried it yetr as have just installed WM6.1 so am trying apps gradually

I'd really like to get this Navizon program working....anyone else want to try it on their advantage? I'm talking with their support team on their forums and supposebly they had it working on an advantage before

Google navigator

Hi,
Have anybody tried google navigator on the HD. I heard it's supposed to work with the hd. Anybody know if a dataconnection is needed, or can we download the maps and use it "offline" with the built in GPS reciever ??
anybody know where we can find a trial ?

oldings said:
Hi,
Have anybody tried google navigator on the HD. I heard it's supposed to work with the hd. Anybody know if a dataconnection is needed, or can we download the maps and use it "offline" with the built in GPS reciever ??
anybody know where we can find a trial ?
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Attached Google.
This is freeware

thx for reply. But isn't this the same that came pre-installed with the HD.
I tried Google Maps but that uses the data connection. I heard on google navigation you can save maps on storage and the use it "offline", so no need of data-connection, only GPS reciever.

Sorry, I should have read your thread properly, been a long day.
Google Navigator attached
I haven't used this application to be honest, but just installed it and a data connection appears to be required. I'll play with it and let you know if this can be disabled.

I have also downloaded the trial from http://www.pdafun.net/
and first time I started it I saw it downloded dato. I then used HD tweak to stop all data connection, and went in to Google navigator and changed som settings.
I can still start the prorgam wihtout any problems and activated GPS. It find my postition(still noe data connection used, yet). But don't know how to get a map. I only see a "world" map.
SO would be nice to know how we can download offlien maps so we can use with GPS and not need to use dataconnection, since it says it's possible

Without sounding flipant, the CAB is 1.73Mbs so I would expect it does not contain map data, bearing in mind that TomTom Maps are in the region of 1Gbs.
Maybe you have to download from somewhere else though.

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The map are downloaded using Data connection, they are download on demand by the software.

Google Navigator
the meaning of offline Navigation in this Software is that you can specify an interested area and tell the program to download the related topo, road maps, etc to the device over a data connection at a a given Zoom level. (wifi or gsm)
once the download is complete you can switch off the data connection or remove the sim and use the application to locate/Navigate your self in the downloaded area. The purpose is to enable you to use the phone to navigate yourself in a area without network coverage and/or to cutdown on the data download cost over GSM.
FYI
Google Navigator works fine on the HD except for the 3D view. it creates some areas of the map to disappear. I wrote to the developers on this bug and they said they will correct that error in their 4.9V but till the latest version the problem is still there.

is it just me or is the trial version of this completely useless? what is the point in disabling the only features that actually make this different to google maps? surely a time-limited version rather than feature-limitedwould make more sense?
I for one will certainly not be shelling out for this unless I know it works (and on my phone too).
this is most unlike google, who's software (until now)I have always been most impressed with. google maps is simply phenomenal, but does lack the turn-by-turn voice commands necessary to operate it whilst driving.
the data, for me (and many who own this type of device - why on earth would you have a device this capable without some data included?!) is not an issue. but i need to see it in action before I can abandon Tomtom properly...
is this software actually from google or just based on google maps? I still can't work out why I have to pay for this when everything else google is free (and this looks decidedly shoddier)?!
kindregards
dr_nick

Apparently Google Navigator has nothing to do with Google. The developers are just using the name "Google" because it taps into the Maps database. Caveat emptor.

Google Navigator is one of the worst PDA Apps I've ever seen.
Not only do they #1 -- Use the FREE google maps service, and charge you for their crappy front end, but #2 -- Put the name "Google" in the title of their product, so you think it's actually from a reputable source.
Google really needs to put a stop to this company because they are basically ripping people off.

Google Maps sucks

I tried using it yesterday and almost broke my phone because it was making me so mad. If you miss a turn the directions don't update so you have no idea where you are. And the route isn't highlighted on the map like it is in every other GPS app so if you get off the route at all, it's over, you have to stop and type in the address again to get new directions. Are there any GPS apps for HD that are actually good?

There are actually a lot of programs you can use. just use google. Personally I use TomTom and i think it works quite well. It calculates a new route within a few seconds if you missed a turn

I use Google Maps all the time and like it alot. True, if you miss a turn you won't be notified (not until Google Maps Navigation comes out for WM) but getting back on track again is not at hard as you think. Just request directions from your current location and SELECT the address you typed before for your end point. I don't understand why you type the address all over again. I've done this way while travelling on the freeway at 70 mph a bunch of times and it hasn't let me down yet.

pickpocket said:
I use Google Maps all the time and like it alot. True, if you miss a turn you won't be notified (not until Google Maps Navigation comes out for WM) but getting back on track again is not at hard as you think. Just request directions from your current location and SELECT the address you typed before for your end point. I don't understand why you type the address all over again. I've done this way while travelling on the freeway at 70 mph a bunch of times and it hasn't let me down yet.
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Oh yeah you're right. Clicking a bunch of stuff to get new directions is a little silly though, you have to admit.
I'll try Tom Tom and see how it is, has anyone else tried it?

I use GarminXT. I really don't see the difference between all the GPS navigation software available - the features are almost the same. The difference comes from the maps. For me Garmin's maps are the best for Bulgaria, so you should do a little research which software has the best map for your country/region.

Igo 8 for me. Superb bit of software.

agree. IGO 8 is the best.

Does anyone have the link to download any of these? I searched this forum for "gps" and it keeps coming up with nothing.

thread closed as theres been many threads like it for months
there is a list of working gps software in the wiki
read it

Best Nav software?

Any opinions on the best navigation software for our phones (that DOESN'T) require a monthly subscription? I looked at the TomTom software but they apparently don't have any maps available for the United States that I can find. I have Bing and Google Maps but those both require a data connection. They also don't provide turn by turn voice guidance or follow along with you very well or dynamically reroute you.

shouldnt all turn-by-turn apps have data usage since it needs to track u...
otherwise from that, garmin is really nice. turn by turn, though i notice it does lag behind a LITTLE bit, but it still works quite nicely.

xredjokerx said:
shouldnt all turn-by-turn apps have data usage since it needs to track u...
otherwise from that, garmin is really nice. turn by turn, though i notice it does lag behind a LITTLE bit, but it still works quite nicely.
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No, not all turn-by-turn apps have data usage, for example Tomtom does not use data.
Have you considered CoPilot 8?

There are plenty of different software packages you can use; just to mention TomTom, iGO8 etc.

CoPilot 8 is a very good package, especially given its low cost. It includes all maps for North America, and doesn't require a data connection while running (but can use one if you choose the Live services add-on to get traffic/gas price updates).

Data usage is used in two ways.
To update the maps as you move along (google etc), or to give live info (traffic reports etc)
MOST of the purchased gps software will include the full maps to the location you buy it, and will only need data if you want live traffic etc.
Some of the more common gps apps are, TomTom, Garmin, iGo8, CoPilot 8
i personally use iGo8 in europe and love it.

Copilot is great
I have used copilot before on both Windows Mobile and Android. Right now its only $20 on their site and that includes the maps so you don't have to have a data connection. I have tried a bunch of nav solutions and this one is probably the best for overall functionality and price.

I recommend TOMTOM. I used CoPilot 8 for a few months and it works well but sometimes the directions it gives are weird specially when I traveled to another state I was getting confused with the directions it was giving me compared to TOMTOM which are faster and more direct.

I'm happy with Copilot, routing is fast and accurate.
However voice warnings are terrible. They are slow, and usually late. I miss Garmin on that front.

I like just google maps............. however i also have tom tom installed............. install this, then during install you will be automaticly promted to download your 1 free city during the install...... yeah, i cant find anything online from them either. Well, I couldn't attach it here, guess it was too big. It's on here somewhere the file name is... QM_TomTom_Navigator_7.916.9189.1_VGA

intothevoid said:
I recommend TOMTOM. I used CoPilot 8 for a few months and it works well but sometimes the directions it gives are weird specially when I traveled to another state I was getting confused with the directions it was giving me compared to TOMTOM which are faster and more direct.
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Thanks.
To clarify, I don't mind if it uses data, I have unlimited data, I just don't want data to be REQUIRED for it to work. Actually, I wouldn't even care so much about that, AT&T's data coverage is okay if you will accept EDGE. I just want the voice turn by turn directions.
One other caveat, it has to be able to run from my existing microSD card. I don't care if I have to hack it or whatever, I just need it to run from my existing card with my music, etc on it. I looked at the Garmin, but you had to use only their card apparently. :-/

i use google maps for finding places and stuff. but it still doesnt have turn by turn. if it did i would probably use that. but for that i use garmin. been using it for quite some time. its the best looking and probably the most user friendly of the nav software. the gas prices feature is fantastic. but if you dont have the money you could go for something like copiolot. i havent used it though.

I have tried TomTom, Copilot and iGo in the past and have landed on iGo as my firm favorite

I am a Garmin fan. I have used various garmin devices on my motorcycles for many years. For my PDA, years ago I got a bundle with a bluetooth GPS and TomTom. Hated it. Recently, I got achance to try the Garmin XT software. Didn't care for it either.
I would like a chance to try out the iGo software. It can't be any worse, and can be found fairly cheap.
For now I use Google or Bing most of the time. I don't need the voice prompts.

Does anyone here have the navipanel from the leo?

For the life of me, I can't understand all the love for CoPilot. I bought it on Christmas day for $19. I feel swindled.
1. The primary function of navigation software is 'navigation'. This is pretty much impossible when you're working with anchient maps. I live in a city of 2+ million and my neighborhood is 7-8 years old. My neighborhood is not in CoPilot's maps...
2. The app is buggy. If I do an online update through the app, I get an error that tells me that the POI database does not match the online database. THey have POI's that don't have corresponding streets. If you tell it to create a route between to streetless POI's it draws a straight line, which is laughable...
3. The Copilot central app is extremely buggy and the gui is terrible. First, it doesn't support netbook resolution of 1024x600. Second, the application update function doesn't work. I know there is a more current version of the app out there (I have 8.0.0.346), but CoPilot central will not show me the update. Third, the map update dated Dec 29 hangs the app upon launch. All of this is from a stock t-mo rom after hard reset and format of SD card.
4. SUpport from ALK is somthing that you would expect from a company 7-8 years ago. there is no forum or searchable knowledgebase. You can submit trouble tickets, but I have yet to receive an acknowledgment of my map update request. Apparently they will add my address in 45 days, but I have serious doubts this will happen because of all of the missing roads in my neighborhood.
5. Features advertised on ALK's website are not present in my version of the app.
I could go on an on. To sum up... CoPilot is a POS, and I encourage everyone to stay away!!!

Copilot Live
I have recently switched to copilot live 8 from OCN 8.3. I find that the maps on Copilot 8 are current in my area (roads finished last year are included). I can confirm that the Copilot central software does not work on a netbook but is fine on other machines.
I have not run into the bugs mentioned above but I will update if I do. As far as the features go the software is a couple of months old. I consider it a bonus that I can purchase for $20 and upgrade only thoes features I care about.
When it comes down to it my switch was for 2 reasons. I can use my own SD card and I can get live traffic updates. OCN does not support traffic in the US and is limited to an 8 gb card.

tomtom is the simplest and the easiest to use.. there are maps for the usa.... i am currently using one that is the usa and canada together.. tomtom pics some crazy routes sometimes... but its easy to pick another..
garmin is ok... but not very customizable... hope you like the way it looks, cuz youre pretty much stuck with it... the way you add the maps is cool... you pick the states you want... so you dont have to fill up your card with stuff you dont want... im not inpressed with the way you have to enter address in this one..
igo in my opinion is the best... if you get tts voices for it, it will say the street names.. it shows the buildings if youre in a big enough city... and the 3d effect is pretty nice... it also lets you know what lane to be in on the highway and it shows you the signs you will see on the road.. the biggest drawback for this one for me is the load time...
i have never tried copilot so i cannot rank that one... hope that helps

Is this how you get iGO for north america and/or United States:
http://www.oncoursenavigator.com/
I googled iGO, but all I found was a European product...

sixsevenco said:
Is this how you get iGO for north america and/or United States:
http://www.oncoursenavigator.com/
I googled iGO, but all I found was a European product...
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according to http://www.navngo.com/pages/global/eng/where_to_buy you are correct.

NavDroyd - 100% Offline navigation with Open Street Maps

hello guys,
i stumbled over an app called navdroyd in the market. it promises 100% offline turn by turn routing and tts with osm and android tts voice (sdk >1.6). does anybody has some experience with this app? it sounds really promising so I tried the free mapdroyd app from same developer.
navdroyd $6.49/€4.99: http://www.androidpit.com/en/android/market/apps/app/com.osa.android.navdroyd/NavDroyd
mapdroyd free: http://www.androidpit.com/en/android/market/apps/app/com.osa.android.mapdroyd/MapDroyd
mapdroyd works like a charm. you can download worldwide mapcontent via wifi an store them on sd but i'm missing the ability to search and set pois, which navdroyd provides. I think this would be a really awesome alternative to navigon or motonav for people without a dataplan. but before I purchase this app, maybe somebody can share his experience!?

hi there..
i've try both apps on my phone and yes navdroyd is much better than mapdroyd. actually both interfaces and appearance are quite similar but the diff is u get "cruise mode" on navdroyd which provides you 3d navigation =)

ahm ... yeah, that was already clear for me ... just like its named navdroyd and their homepages mapdroyd.com and navdroyd.com discribe: mapdroyd shows map and navdroyd navigates you ... i wanted to know how good this works, not which abilities each program has
e.g ... i'm interested if navdroyd announces only directions or also streetnames via text to speech and if navigation continues if the display is turned off (for motorcycle navigation)... etc

Why dont you simply buy the app, you have 24 hours to ask for a refund! Navdroyd has a simulate route feature, which gives a nice demo of the software.
I have used navdroyd now a couple of times for actual car navigation. It does work pretty well, announces instructions in time, also reads out road names (with comical results when the names are not english), recalculates routes if you miss a turn and so on....
It feels a bit rough still in some places, given its still a very early version. The search function is too basic for my liking, and the routing has a tendency of generating too many keep left/right messages when in fact you simply need to keep driving ahead on the same road.
I only used it in the car, and the display is kept on all the time, so dont know about switching the display off, or even switching to a different app ?
Given it uses OSM data, there still can be data gaps, but hey you can just go to openstreetmap and add the road!
Finally, the developers are very responsive and I have submitted some bug/missing features reports, hopeful this will all be added soon. Just email them if you still feel you have questions.

Anyone care to review this app?

were my brief comments not enough ?

does it have offline routing?
i was wondering how it does it considering it uses OSM maps (yes i know you pre download them).
cheers,

Cool but realistically MotoNav is just as easy. 1 State file and bam.
I wish Google Nav would have something like this. Where I have problems with Google Nav is when I get out of Airports and trying to pull data whilst in a concrete parking garage isn't fun.
Google Maps is worth its weight in gold but I can't get into the Navigator. I use Google Maps to search and navigate mosty and use MotoNav as a backup.

you cant actually go to specific addresses like someones house

Yes its 100% offline routing and maps ... so no need for a data connection once you have downloaded the maps initially. they are pretty small, the whole of the uk for example is 103mb.
because its based on OSM, it doesn't have that many addresses at the moment, but I find that street name in general is more than enough to get where you want to go. You can also search for junctions between two streets which might help as well.

HA
petzlux said:
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HA!.....................

sorry for bumping this old thread but I had a question:
After paying for the app, do you have to pay for each map you download or is all that free?
Also, does this offer POIs, such as Dunk n' Donuts, restaurants, or gas stations?
Thanks.

yeah, opnce you have bought the app, the maps are free.
2 things, and i hope the Navdroyd people read this, I have been fairly disappointed in the customer service ( i know, $5) but i offered to help with the maps in my local area, as at the moment they are VERY old and near on unusable. well actually, they are unusable as there are WAY too many unnamed streets, which are named in OSM...
secondly, the POIs seem a little limited, not sure about other areas (im in Perth, Western Australia)
well one more, they don't seem to update the maps too often (definately not every 6wks as they say). As a result there is no use updating OSM for your area as you don't see any changes.
Navdroyd people please read this! I would like to assist!!!
Palitu

i'm not very happy with navdroid, ended up driving totally wrong with the out-dated maps, heck, the street where i grew up isn't even on the map (im from belgium)

Wow... they tore down your street? bummer!

alloin said:
i'm not very happy with navdroid, ended up driving totally wrong with the out-dated maps, heck, the street where i grew up isn't even on the map (im from belgium)
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One option would be to contribute to the OpenStreetMap project and fix those problems you know of

wwwald said:
One option would be to contribute to the OpenStreetMap project and fix those problems you know of
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no, that wont work, i have gone through and updated this on OSM and there hasn't been any changes.
Not only that, the OSM has the streets alread named. Not sure why they don't cross over onto NavDroyd...

Is there a way to replace the maps from Navdroyd for other ones like google or something more updated?. The area where I live doesn't have the street names and has very limited POIs.

Ahkbal said:
Is there a way to replace the maps from Navdroyd for other ones like google or something more updated?. The area where I live doesn't have the street names and has very limited POIs.
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nope
you cannot... amking up the length of the message

Palitu said:
no, that wont work, i have gone through and updated this on OSM and there hasn't been any changes.
Not only that, the OSM has the streets alread named. Not sure why they don't cross over onto NavDroyd...
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The problem is with the update frequency of the NavDroyd maps. They use their own "micromap" format, so the OSM data have to be "compiled" into that format every once in a while.
It's actually in their FAQ, see questions "How often do you update NavDroyd's map database?" and "Can I download OSM maps and use them directly in NavDroyd?".
(sorry, I'm apparently not yet allowed to post external links)