I will start by admitting to being a complete novice to the whole WinMo thing, only being attracted to WinMo by the fabulous looking SE X1.
So, onto the question.
Is it possible to set up a virtual machine in Vista, and feed it the X1's WinMo 6.1 Rom? A try before buy type of thing?
I did find an article on T'internet about something very similar, but as WinMo has changed, and MS Virtual PC is the latest, greatest thing, i wondered if anyone has done this, or if indeed it is possible.
Sorry if this is a waste of anyones time, or if it is a stupid idea, but i would like to test out WinMo 6.1 at least, before i buy a phone i might not get on with.
Thanks all.
You could port the ROM to work as an emulator image, but quite frankly thats a huge amount of work and isn't worth it. It won't work in a virtual pc type software because they emulate x86 hardware and WinMo operates on ARM generally.
If your goal is just to check out WinMo 6.1, and not the X1's ROM, you can get the emulators from microsoft.
also not sure the current emulators support that funkey res
Thanks for your infos.
next question, then.
Using these emulators from Microsoft, would i be able to install 3rd party apps onto the WinMo running in the emulator, so i could see if they were any use to me?
Thanks in advance.
yes
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Thanks a lot for a super fast reply.
I shall wander over to MS site, and hunt me down an emulator.
Need visual studio i think
no there is a stand alone emulator too
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...a5-183a-4a1e-a7e2-cc500ed1f19a&displaylang=en
Thanks again for the input, people.
However.
I could not get the stand alone emulator to work, and ended up having to use a free 90 day trial version of Visual Studio 2008.
It is working fine on Vista home premium, and gives me exactly what i was looking for.
All being well, the X1 should be out before the 90 days runs out.
I dare say i shall be back with a few more questions soon.
Hope you are still feeling tolerant by then.
i could be wrong but i think
that visual studio express which is free
also include the emulator
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Is there any way to dump an original iphone for tryng a porting to pocketpc hardware?
so no skin or graphical plugin to emulate the iphone on WM5/6 but the real iphone OS patched and installed on a ppc
Is not a news, you can install OSx on a intel/amd PC, maybe is possible to do the same on a pocketpc?
Iphone and ppc have really very different hardware?
could be great a dualboot phone with WM/iphone OS !
No not currently or likely in the future.
There are several attempts to port Linux to our platforms which are all at varying stages of success. As far as I know there isnt a practical linux solution ready yet.
Stick to themes and 3rd party clone apps at present.
Microsoft must be planning a response to the success of the Iphone but when that will see the light of day is anyones guess. It certainly isnt WinMobile 6.1 !!!
dodba said:
Is there any way to dump an original iphone for tryng a porting to pocketpc hardware?
so no skin or graphical plugin to emulate the iphone on WM5/6 but the real iphone OS patched and installed on a ppc
Is not a news, you can install OSx on a intel/amd PC, maybe is possible to do the same on a pocketpc?
Iphone and ppc have really very different hardware?
could be great a dualboot phone with WM/iphone OS !
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As far as I know this wouldn't make sense because for a lot of gestures you need a different hardware. Its not the same system like touchflo etc.
wizzzard said:
No not currently or likely in the future.
There are several attempts to port Linux to our platforms which are all at varying stages of success. As far as I know there isnt a practical linux solution ready yet.
Stick to themes and 3rd party clone apps at present.
Microsoft must be planning a response to the success of the Iphone but when that will see the light of day is anyones guess. It certainly isnt WinMobile 6.1 !!!
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there is a working linux for ppc, for hp iPAQ only for now.
check this, if one can bring it for htc
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/
I just had a really crazy idea... no doubt I'm not the first but I havnt ready about this anywhere.
Before I go on I am NOT a programmer at all. I know nothing about that sort of thing but I was researching PCs thinking about buying a new computer and came across the HP TouchSmart PC. Basically you get a PC with a large touchscreen monitor and a full suite of aps modded to make it work well with touching the screen instead of using a mouse. Much like what we do with out phones.
Now, would it not be possible AND cool to just have a simple HTC Cube like program running on a standard PC. It would be really handy if you had a touch PC for sure but playing around on here and just using a mouse that in itself would be handy too. Being able to hold down say, the right finger mouse button and drag your mouse up quickly would bring up a cube like shortcut seen on the HTC Touch phones. Customizable of course so that it has shortcuts to whatever we would want. I can't imagine that this would be hard to do. Probably alot easier then it was to make Cube aps for other touchscreen phones. Swipping the mouse across the screen left or right could get you to other cube sides. Again, like on our phones.
This may seem completly assinine and useless but I just think it would be a cool little feature to have on a PC. I'm sure if someone who has knowledge of programming could make something like that. I dont know how difficult it would be but. Hey thats just my two cents.
I do realize that this thread isnt really about phones so it may be out of place, but the idea has come from our phones so I thought I would put it out and see what sort of responce I could get. See if anyone would be in fact interested in making something like this!
Aaron
Nice idea but i guess you're wrong here with the topic. You should ask in a PC Forum wether it's possible to do that
I understood it was the wrong forum. But seeing as pretty much anyone reading this thread would understand what the HTC Cube is, thought Id test the waters. I'm not a member or any PC Forums really either. Like I said I dont really know a thing about programming but I can assume that it's sort of like riding a bike. Whether that be a basic one speed bike compared to a 12 speed. As long as you understand the main principles (ie balance) you should be able to ride most anything. So from an ignorant understanding of programming.... well programming a application for a Windows based phone or Windows based PC would sort of be like.. comparing apples with apples no? Again.. please dont flame me here for my thoughts.. Like I said.. Ignorant understanding of the computer programming world!
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Now, would it not be possible AND cool to just have a simple HTC Cube like program running on a standard PC.
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Something like this?
Sorry: new software is this.
probably not helping when saying this, but the newer Ubuntu Linux distros come preinstalled with a program called Compiz-Fusion, which gives linux its cube effects. I dont know if XP or Vista has any programs out there. They probably do if you google it.
good luck to you!
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probably not helping when saying this, but the newer Ubuntu Linux distros come preinstalled with a program called Compiz-Fusion, which gives linux its cube effects. I dont know if XP or Vista has any programs out there. They probably do if you google it.
good luck to you!
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Linux is the closest you will get. The XP software doesn't run nearly as well as linux because XP never really figured in workspaces where as it's completely integrated with managers like Gnome for linux. So the compiz fusion is the closest to a true cube you will get. Also, ubuntu is not the only linux distro with compiz. Any distro that can run gnome or KDE can run compiz; it's just a matter of with how much work.
To me the closest thing to a cube on the XDA phones is the cube animation in ultimate launch. But then again I love that program so I am biased
I did see that Linux based cube before but what that does is rotate to different desktops. I was thinking of a cube that is basically the same thing the HTC cube is... shortcuts. So pretty much similar to the start menu except it would be way more snazy looking and have 9 or however many shortcuts you wanted in it. 3 on each side.. you get the idea.
gotvitamink said:
probably not helping when saying this, but the newer Ubuntu Linux distros come preinstalled with a program called Compiz-Fusion, which gives linux its cube effects. I dont know if XP or Vista has any programs out there. They probably do if you google it.
good luck to you!
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I came in here to post this...just got an Ubuntu install cd the other day, can't wait to try it out on another partition.
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I came in here to post this...just got an Ubuntu install cd the other day, can't wait to try it out on another partition.
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im thinking about switcing back to ubuntu as well, now that i know how to cook roms on it. ive also been looking at mandriva 2008.1 as well, and its easy support for wm6. ive also heard that it has the most stable compizfusion ever, which is a plus because compiz always crashes on my comp after a few days of usage.
anyway, i do believe that linuxis your best bet, althoug compiz-fusion is not very stable yet, so if you do make the switch to ubuntu, i would just make sure that you use the pre-installed effects to satisfy your needs, and not download a package caled compizconfig-settings or something like that.
as far as a shortct menu goes, im not aware of any, but i agree that it would be very convenient/cool for laptops with touchscreens...
Thanks...I'm fairly new to Linux so I'm sure there will be a slight learning curve.
u can use uBuntu (Linux)...I think it's the way, if u want to have the cube for ur dekstop...Or u can search only the transformations pack xp to ubuntu or vista to ubuntu...U can search by google...
The idea was to have a shortcut cube.... like the HTC Cube.... not a cube that rotates between different "desktops" like the linux one everyone here is discussing
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Thanks...I'm fairly new to Linux so I'm sure there will be a slight learning curve.
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I'll admit Ubuntu Linux took me a while to grasp. and with an older computer, I had to do a lot of research to get my wifi working, and the cube working as well. But now i use it almost all the time, only going back to XP on my dual-boot laptop to flash a new ROM or backup my contacts.
I've been wondering if i should check out Mandriva 2008 also. The downside of linux is that Windows Mobile is not heavily supported.
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I'll admit Ubuntu Linux took me a while to grasp. and with an older computer, I had to do a lot of research to get my wifi working, and the cube working as well. But now i use it almost all the time, only going back to XP on my dual-boot laptop to flash a new ROM or backup my contacts.
I've been wondering if i should check out Mandriva 2008 also. The downside of linux is that Windows Mobile is not heavily supported.
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eehh.. I'm no linux expert but I'm on ubuntu, coming from mandriva 2008.1. I have to see it's not very stable
Is that possible to run WM in an iPhone.
Or run Android in a PPC?
I mean directly flash the ROM into iPhone or PPC.
Not like "running android on Kaiser"
Could anyone do this kind of "transplan"?
We should have a sub forum discuss about it, that make WM, and PPC more fun with it.
People are trying to make andriod to work in emulators on top of windows mobile first because they want it to be stable.
When everything is working stable, developers could look into flashing a andriod rom with andriod bootloader onto a device.
For now it is more important to get everything to work properly.
and about the iPhone.. we still dont know wether its fake or not.. its just a rurmor.. the developer promised it to be released by jan.. till then wait for jan..
i think WM on iphone is fake.............
there are very rare chances of that happenning.......
WM on iphone
there is WM on iphone, Norwegian developer did it,
http://5x5m.com/lp/277/windowsmobile.html
is it going to be freeware???????
i would seriously think about getting an i phone then........
Why would somebody want to have WM on a device which can't be used with stylus?
At the start, I knew that there was something fishy about it. Look at the phone, the bootloader is too "friendly" to be a beta.
hskeik said:
there is WM on iphone, Norwegian developer did it,
http://5x5m.com/lp/277/windowsmobile.html
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"Okay, looks like we (I, the bloggers, the Internet, the Windows Mobile users) were "too excited" (?) by running Windows Mobile on iPhone hardware. As it turned out (thanks for the comments and E-Mails), the video and the whole story above is a hoax and part of a viral marketing campaign from Sonic Emotion, a maker of surround-sound systems for PCs, handhelds and other things that need surround sound." - Source
There is already Android on PPC. I have it installed on my phone.
http://www.myhtcphone.com/downloads/14-files/3-cab-file-for-automatic-install
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There is already Android on PPC. I have it installed on my phone.
http://www.myhtcphone.com/downloads/14-files/3-cab-file-for-automatic-install
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yes, but it doesnt work very well
I think everybody should now, that there is a "working" androit for windows mobile based devices...
I'm definitely going to try it once its bootable as a seperate OS.
I'm sure the peeps at XDA are going to be successful in porting it on to ppc aswell, so I'm just patiently waiting.
Akshay
There is already android on msm 7200 Chipsets like the Kaiser or Vouge
And it's not an Emulator and run on the ROM.
But you must load the Bootloader "HaRET" on Windows, and after that, Windows mobile is quitted
also, windows mobile is working on iphone wich lags realy
Say WM is flashed onto iPhone somehow. But as Parg said it can't be controlled by stylus. And there is no Dpad, then some application can not be used with that hardware.
Indeed, it makes much more sense to get a Diamond instead of trying to flash WM on iPhone.
Additional to the hardware troubles (stylus, unsupported multitouch, ...), there would be license troubles. Guess you don't want to pay MS for WM on iPhone, even if that was possible, right?
Android, or at least a compatible system, should be possible for every device (at least in theory). However, if I buyed a device including a WM license, I'd prefer a good emulator (or rather VM, similar to the J2ME VMs which allow to use Opera Mini). That way, both WM and Android programs would run fine. OK, bad chance to modifiy the main system interface (start menu + Today screen), but I like the plugin concept of the Today screen anyway...
bobosky520 said:
Is that possible to run WM in an iPhone.
Or run Android in a PPC?
I mean directly flash the ROM into iPhone or PPC.
Not like "running android on Kaiser"
Could anyone do this kind of "transplan"?
We should have a sub forum discuss about it, that make WM, and PPC more fun with it.
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iphone? whats that? wasnt it a fad fashion accessory from last year that claimed to be a tech revolution in, well, in, I dont know? lets see, its not a smart phone, not a PPC, not a Symbian, its more a feature phone containing a proprietary operating system with very limited 3rd party support apps and interface.
Why would such a great device want WM running on it? oh yeah I know, it sux and its boring UI would eventually drive you nuts for lack of customization and limitation of available "decent" apps! hahahahhahhahha It'll never run M2D or some of the other awesome skinnable applications or any Linux OS etc, Its just WacOSX and doesnt even provide onboard bluetooth with A2DP holly crap even my 5 year old piece of junk Symbian supports A2DP, in a few months WM devices will be released with Bluetooth v2.1 (700kbps) and soon version 3 speeds up to 480Mbps. carried away sorry
Klael said:
Say WM is flashed onto iPhone somehow. But as Parg said it can't be controlled by stylus. And there is no Dpad, then some application can not be used with that hardware.
Indeed, it makes much more sense to get a Diamond instead of trying to flash WM on iPhone.
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Dpad is not essential for PPC,
usually, apps can direct operate by touching the screen.
the only problem is games, a lot of games have to use dpad as controller.
Mort said:
Additional to the hardware troubles (stylus, unsupported multitouch, ...), there would be license troubles. Guess you don't want to pay MS for WM on iPhone, even if that was possible, right?
Android, or at least a compatible system, should be possible for every device (at least in theory). However, if I buyed a device including a WM license, I'd prefer a good emulator (or rather VM, similar to the J2ME VMs which allow to use Opera Mini). That way, both WM and Android programs would run fine. OK, bad chance to modifiy the main system interface (start menu + Today screen), but I like the plugin concept of the Today screen anyway...
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iphone hardware is not a big problem,
as long as iphone is one device, no matter how many people are study on it, it is one device.
Android on PPC is a problem, there are so many different PPC, which one should we study on?
License is not necessary, Hacking, of course, is not legally with license.
HI,
is it possible to install windows in htc hero instead of android soft. I tried to search but couldnt find anything thanks
BR Sherry
may i ask you why you want to do that???
I think he is just curious to know
yes someone was saying its possible and wanna know if yes or not if yes can anyone explain how?
br
there is even an easier way to get windows mobile OS: buy a WM Device!
Really a HTC Touch Diamond 2 has basically the exact same Hardware other than the touchscreen which is resistive.
Wanting to flash your android device with WM is as strange as the currently release WM Theme for android.
People are buying android devices to get rid of the old stuff (wm 6-6.5) why on earth would they want to install a WM Theme?!
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
there is even an easier way to get windows mobile OS: buy a WM Device!
Really a HTC Touch Diamond 2 has basically the exact same Hardware other than the touchscreen which is resistive.
Wanting to flash your android device with WM is as strange as the currently release WM Theme for android.
People are buying android devices to get rid of the old stuff (wm 6-6.5) why on earth would they want to install a WM Theme?!
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i agree, it´s like to buy a dog and want to make a cat out of it
but anyway i´m sorry i haven´t seen a method/tutorial how to make this
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
there is even an easier way to get windows mobile OS: buy a WM Device!
Really a HTC Touch Diamond 2 has basically the exact same Hardware other than the touchscreen which is resistive.
Wanting to flash your android device with WM is as strange as the currently release WM Theme for android.
People are buying android devices to get rid of the old stuff (wm 6-6.5) why on earth would they want to install a WM Theme?!
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thanks for ur reply but still it doesn answer wt I asked
br
Almost every people here is against windows mobile, so I don't think you will obtain an answer, sorry.
Lots of thread were started asking to run windows on these phones (sapphire and dream) and they always ended up wit people saying this is a stupid question.
My opinion is that it would be interesting, such as dual booting in your home PC.
I really wanted to get rid of wm because it stinks. it is slow i have to SR almost everyday it crashed etc. etc.
but now i'm using android my phone works great fast responsive. never needed to restart the phone and its on.
why trading the good stuff for the bad stuff. i used wM/Windows for years and i was never pleased with it now i'm using linux (on pc/hero) and its great IT WORKS so why would you wanna use wm.
youre question technically it would be possible the wm phones have the same hardware. but i think noone succeeded to install wm or viceversa. wm phones can start android but doens't work 100% and when the phone goes off they loose the data
Rather than just bashing WM (which of course I could do) I will state facts.
Android has been hacked to work on WM phones, such as the Vogue, Kaiser, Polaris, Raphael, Diamond, etc. This has been possible because Android is a UI that runs on top of Linux. Linux and Android both being open source, we have the program code for the entire OS at our disposal to change around, hack drivers, and make work on non-Android hardware.
Windows Mobile is (almost) entirely closed-source. This will make it pretty much impossible to run on a phone that it's not licensed to work on. Microsoft and HTC would have to both agree to running WM on the Hero before you'd see that happen.
EDIT: @commodoor: Yes, the hardware appears to be the same, ie. the same chips, but there will be intricate differences like memory addresses, IRQ's etc that would make this darn near impossible to achieve.
Just my tuppence worth...
I thought with the Hero having a capacitive screen that it wouldn't be able to run Windows... Thought the OS was limited to resistive screens... or am I wrong?
faisal_sherry said:
HI,
is it possible to install windows in htc hero instead of android soft. I tried to search but couldnt find anything thanks
BR Sherry
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Nothing against the poster of the above but REALLY? Putting WM on the Hero seems like the most EPIC FAIL of all time. (I wish we had a facepalm smiley to put in here).
But constructively - from what I understand, putting Android on a WM device is relatively easy (for someone with the knowledge, patience and experience) but putting WM on an Android device is almost impossible.
Technically it would be possible to do... if HTC have drivers for WinMo to talk to the Hero hardware and Microsoft gave HTC a license to put it on the phone... but that ain't gonna happen any day soon.
But then again there exists a whole lot of skilled hackers that can make any toaster run whatever they want it to run... But then again WinMo is closed source. And the skilled hackers don't know how to make any drivers.
And WinMo is a really boring OS. I have an old HTC TyTN (the first one) with WinMo 6 Pro on it. It was really boring to use since the market for that phone was the business people and I am not a business-minded human. I wanted a little more flexibility and a nicer UI to configure the way I want it.
Android + HTC's Sense UI (actually TouchFLO) is giving me that kind of freedom.
Oh... sorry for going really offtopic on this one.
To give you the short answer to the original poster; no you can't. Theoretically yes. Feasible... no.
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people have given answers.....and ill close before a flame war starts.
thank you
I didn't want to post this on the ROM dev forum 'cos strictly speaking it's not NOT dev
I've started tinkering with development and am a capable .net developer, so that's not the issue. The problem I have is with the device emulators you get at part of the windows mobile sdk - the 320x240 resolution is a far cry from that of the HD2's screen and wondered what the typical solution for developing full screen apps (i.e. not form-based) are and how to work around the emulation limitations?
Ideally I'd want to emulate the full HD2 screen size. Is that possible?
deviruchii said:
I didn't want to post this on the ROM dev forum 'cos strictly speaking it's not NOT dev
I've started tinkering with development and am a capable .net developer, so that's not the issue. The problem I have is with the device emulators you get at part of the windows mobile sdk - the 320x240 resolution is a far cry from that of the HD2's screen and wondered what the typical solution for developing full screen apps (i.e. not form-based) are and how to work around the emulation limitations?
Ideally I'd want to emulate the full HD2 screen size. Is that possible?
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Have you downloaded the WM6 SDK? That comes with some larger emulators, although there isn't a WVGA one included (I have seen one though, so a bit of googling might help with a WVGA emulator). I generally build stuff then copy if to my device and run it from there. It's a bit long-winded, but I'm not an emulator fan (except for fpsece, of course )
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...3A-A651-4745-88EF-3D48091A390B&displaylang=en
My experience with Visual studio under WM is limited to one "hello world"-type app, but if there is one thing that struck me it's how well the IDE would integrate with the target - i.e connect your WM device to the PC through ActiveSync, VS recognises it, and you can directly do live debugging right on the hardware. Click "play" in VS, it automatically builds, uploads to the device and runs, with breakpoint support, etc...
So if you actually have the device, no need for an emulator. If not - well yes, that makes sense then
I use the emulator for the X1.... OK so it looks like an X1 on screen but it gives you the 800x400 resolution in the emulator... you can download it from here....
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/cws/devworld/technology/windows-mobile/xperia-x2
I think that its been updated now for the X2... but that has the same screen resolution...
You do get a lot of stuff included for the X1 but... let me know how you get on...
Regards,
Alan
Here you go mate. The 6.5 SDK has WVGA emulators in it...
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...1d-97a8-4f80-bc6a-ae010e085a6e&displaylang=en