[July 16,2008]How Many People Want The Wizard Camera Updated???? - 8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General

Hello fellow wizard owners.
As we all know< the wizard's camera looks like (....) and the buttons in the UI look like they came out of the 80's or win 95.
I have figured out how to change that.
Here's the problem:
I can not find a SET of graphics that look like a set.
So I need help. If someone can help me search for graphics and post them on this thread I will update the camera.
I also want to see how many people think it is worth it to them.
It is already a lot of work fixing the images and testing and fixing... and so on.
If you think it is worth it, please post immages (size and color does not matter I can fix that) of buttons that you think would look good in the interface.
When you post, please PM me as well if you can. just so I know there's something new on the thread.
ANYWAY, THANX FOR NOTHING
Here is the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2411256#post2411256

I think that it would be a very welcome addition! Now, when we show people the Wizards camera intereface, they go-"WHOA! Your old Nokia still works? Oh...wait a sec, thats a newer phone? Wha??!?!?!?!////!?/eleven!?" heh, I for one am going to search for some buttons for you my man!

ashasaur said:
I think that it would be a very welcome addition! Now, when we show people the Wizards camera intereface, they go-"WHOA! Your old Nokia still works? Oh...wait a sec, thats a newer phone? Wha??!?!?!?!////!?/eleven!?" heh, I for one am going to search for some buttons for you my man!
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well I finished already and update the first post.

Related

iPhone interface-Point UI

hi folks, i recently found this application 'Point UI'. You may find some other threads for this, as well. It provides kindda iPhone interface to windows mobile. I ain't crazy for Apple iPhone user interface and themes, but i am sure, there are some people who would definitely appreciate a change.
This software, i have tried on WM5/WM6, works perfectly on them. People usin' WM2/WM3, can try at their own risk and lemme know the compatibility. It is not exactly iPhone interface, but the basic Slide and Touch Navigation works perfectly fine without any hassles. On top of that, people like me, usin' windows mobile with the same good old interface would surely enjoy this change.
And sorry, for not being able to post this application here. Some account related issue, is there. That's why i am posting it on rapidshare. You can PM me, if you face any difficulty in downloadin' i'll e-mail it to you.
Adieu..
http://rapidshare.com/files/84435207/Point_UI.CAB
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Who rated this thread at 5 ??
@rohit: Its old news..there are numerous threads out here discussing this!
Congratulations you're an idiot.
Been hiding under a rock much? We've known about this since it launched on new yaers day. Besides, why would anyone download your CAB, which could contain anything at all; when they can get the official client from www.pointui.com?
I fail to see how being mean to this guy is going to solve anything fellas. Not EVERYONE is a freakin' geek like us. Give him a break.
Err....what kind of 'break' should we give him (kidding...). This post earns a thread lock....
OrionSX said:
I fail to see how being mean to this guy is going to solve anything fellas. Not EVERYONE is a freakin' geek like us. Give him a break.
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exactly.. give him a break.. its old news - yes - but he was keen enough to bring you that old news..
Did you know they're coming out with a phone that can play .mp3 files?
I've heard they're working on one with a camera on the back.
zcink said:
Did you know they're coming out with a phone that can play .mp3 files?
I've heard they're working on one with a camera on the back.
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Sounds promising
haah its so funny reading someone posting this when there is already a thread of likd 15 pages ahahahahahahahahahahahaha sorr for that!
o and you know what apple anounced?
a phone!
yes, not only a phone, its an ipod too!
if thats not enough wait until you hear this:
it has an internetbrowser BUILT IN!!
unbelievable!
and yu know what they call it?
i was so impressed by the quality of the name! it is so obvious! why having names like htc touch or htc wizard, there is no way telling a htc wizard is a phone:s, well you know what apple did? well its...it is:
IPHONE
everyone should take an example of apple!
haha lol
stop making fun of him..MODS please delete this post..being senior members i didnt expect this from u guyz
It is NOT an IPhone interface as well.
duuh thats why pointui is so revolutionary, becuz i didnt wanted to make an iphone look a like hehe
I agree, give him a break guys...he is just trying to be informative
Credit to those who share good news....even when its old.
All you piss takers are arseholes! Like another member said, we don't all live and breathe PPC tech. I'm glad he brought it to more peoples attention. Good job mate.
mackaby007 said:
All you piss takers are arseholes! Like another member said, we don't all live and breathe PPC tech. I'm glad he brought it to more peoples attention. Good job mate.
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I think you could stay more polite here! Do you want to go through 500+ pages to find a post when you are looking for it then go on supporting double posting! In my opinion this is kind of double posting beacuse everywhere in this forum posts concerning PointUI are popping up and on each page you'll find the string 'PointUI' at least one time!
Yes, not all of us breathe PPC Tech, but like I said everyone will notice that this app is already known when entering this forum.
Have a nice day, vi
Differences of opinions.
Mr. Vi said:
......but like I said everyone will notice that this app is already known when entering this forum.
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I thought I'd put your statement to the test! On entering this forum, there is only this thread which mentions PointUI, therefore unless one is used to the ways of how forums work and this one in particular, only a search would have revealed what you are saying.
Sometimes people come across things in different places and believing they have found something amazing, they just rush over to xda devs to share the good news.
More experienced ones are more inclined to do an internal search first.
Whilst I agree that you are right about being more polite here...apologies to anyone offended, you might take some time out to remember what it's like to be a newbie at something or less experienced than someone else.
Someone makes an innocent mistake by 'who's standards?' but it is very helpful to others who happen to be browsing.
Anyway nuff said. I'll keep quite for now, but if anyone ever flames me like that, I'm sure to speak up.
Have a nice day.
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Hi punks, enough of kiddin' now. Sorry for the late reply, first of all.
I just came online and got your reviews. You all can see replies to your comments one by one with quotes. I am also gonna PM the replies to you, so that none of you, miss 'em.
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Pat123 said:
Who rated this thread at 5 ??
@rohit: Its old news..there are numerous threads out here discussing this!
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Yo mate, well, it must be an old news for you and some of the reviewers. But it's one of the NUMEROUS downloaders, who did it.
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Suggestion: vibrated keyboard, keypad etc.

I can't remember -maybe EZDial- there is a keypad software that vibrate phone when you press any key.
Can someone develop this feature for HTC's keyboards and keypads. This feature not same hard key but feel the key if pressed or not pressed. And easy use without looking key. eg. SMS writing....
sorry for bad english.
I don't think that this has anything to do with ROM development. Mods please move this thread.
timn2087 said:
I don't think that this has anything to do with ROM development. Mods please move this thread.
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sorry but i think that will be a killer app for diamond and if cooks cook it in it is relevant for this rom developement thread ;-)
I agree too.
I had this feature on my last LG Viewty.
It's really usefull when u press the keypad per exemple.
Sur it's no good for the battery, but, as an external application that can be switched off/on when we want... hummm could be cool!
i had this on a viewty too, then i send back the viewty after 2 days for not syncing with like 10 different pcs, dont add this feature, or make it a option instead of a always-on-thing, because i really dont want to remember that viewty, seriouslly
suicidal.banana said:
i had this on a viewty too, then i send back the viewty after 2 days for not syncing with like 10 different pcs, dont add this feature, or make it a option instead of a always-on-thing, because i really dont want to remember that viewty, seriouslly
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Despite the anguish that this application would apparently cause to suicidal.banana (seriously, just don't install it!) I think this would be awesome too...and the same idea is floating around in two or three other threads as well.
I'm coming from p1i and having lost the feeling of pressing a real key is a mess.
I think a very small vibration when a character is pressed would be a great idea
timn2087 said:
I don't think that this has anything to do with ROM development. Mods please move this thread.
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You are a moderator? No. Leave the decision to a real mod.
Ithink that this kind of app maybe spectacular..
timn2087 said:
I don't think that this has anything to do with ROM development. Mods please move this thread.
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Agreed but I was going to move it once I saw the title.
pitt1983 said:
You are a moderator? No. Leave the decision to a real mod.
Ithink that this kind of app maybe spectacular..
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Are you a mod? I personally don't mind suggestions in a thread. Helps me feel out the consensus of the thread.
I know someone made a program like this for the Kaiser, I don't know if it would work here though.
maybe this one should help.
it works even tough by now it introduces some small delay when scrolling the touchflo. it's worth a try anyway
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2623677
What you guys want is called Haptic Feedback. Phone would vibrate when a button on the touch screen is pressed so that it feels like you're pressing a real button.. sort of.
I would like this too! haha. Even the Sony Ericsson G700 has this feature.

iPhone look

hi there, is it possible to make my wing look like an iPhone? if so, I searched alot for topics about this but couldnt find anything, can anyone help me with this please? thnx in advance.
search for "iFonz". You need to download a few other things along with it but it works pretty well. I have an iPhone as well as a Wing and the look is very similar. Also iFonz responds a little bit better than the normal operating system when it comes to launching programs and such.
People are wanting Diamond looks and you asking for iPhone still Lol..
Regards,
Carty..
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search for "iFonz". You need to download a few other things along with it but it works pretty well. I have an iPhone as well as a Wing and the look is very similar. Also iFonz responds a little bit better than the normal operating system when it comes to launching programs and such.
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thnx bro, that really helped! i get my original iPhone 8GB monday, but as I can't wait and just was curious i started this topic. lol
gonna start searching now, again thnx m8!
This is not on the proper forum. It should have been posted under the Herald section, not the development section. Other than that, I'm glad you got an answer.
Get an iphone if that is what you want.

help with android/rom?

hey guys, i think i am trying to to install a new rom. what i am trying to do is dual boot wm 6.5 and android, if thats possible, i have tried searching for stuff, but i get not enough info in some places, and too much in others, here are some links to stuff i have found so far:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733752&highlight=registry+editor
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653614&highlight=android
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7088391&postcount=4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732380
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=609477
can anyone help me out with this? its a lot of info for me, and i dont know what to do/ look at
i have read all the newbie and noob posts out there, so dont tell me to go read them
id like someone to tell me exactly what to download and how to run it to effectivly get android running on my device, dual boot if possible, id like to keep wm 6.5 but also have android. id also like to have a back up rom that is completly "stock" unless a hard reset will erase everything and put it back to "stock" incase i need to sell the device, or just go back.
im sure i am missing a few things, so any help would be greatly appreciated, i really need to get this done, because as of right now, i am not to happy with my device with just wm 6.5 and i cant afford to take a loss and sell it back...
i also may be wrong with some of my terminology, so what i understand is with dual booting i can run wm 6.5 just like i have now and use CHT and stuff, or i can run an android UI like the real android devices?
like i said, any help would be greatly appreciated, and i really need to get this accomplished,
thanks,
PBLeonidus
come on, now one knows how to get android running on their device?
please, i need help with this!
also, how or where can i get a registry editor? preferably a .cab file?
dont worry i got it working. thanks for all the help from those that posted! (obviously being sarcastic as no one posted anything)
if any one wants to know, i used max energy Co0kie Energy ROM
with the latest froyo stone android file thing
and a dual booter, ran into a few issues, but got it working
pbleonidus said:
dont worry i got it working. thanks for all the help from those that posted! (obviously being sarcastic as no one posted anything)
if any one wants to know, i used max energy Co0kie Energy ROM
with the latest froyo stone android file thing
and a dual booter, ran into a few issues, but got it working
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wow, you expect us to solve all your problems in 24 hours, on the weekend no less? How much do you think we are getting paid for this?
Glad you got it figured out. Next time, you could try posting in the regular hd2 section as well, seems to be more traffic there.
pbleonidus said:
dont worry i got it working. thanks for all the help from those that posted! (obviously being sarcastic as no one posted anything)
if any one wants to know, i used max energy Co0kie Energy ROM
with the latest froyo stone android file thing
and a dual booter, ran into a few issues, but got it working
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So you're bothered by the fact we didn't give you the answers quick enough, to something that you obviously had the ability to work out on your own? That points to the fact you didn't do enough to help yourself, before posting your question...something the rules here specifically address.
sirphunkee said:
So you're bothered by the fact we didn't give you the answers quick enough, to something that you obviously had the ability to work out on your own? That points to the fact you didn't do enough to help yourself, before posting your question...something the rules here specifically address.
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i did several hours of searching before i posted this, and after a lot of dead ends and frustration, i posted the question, but i continued to search after i posted, which led me to my answer.
and i dont think you guys get paid anything, i just would have expected at least one person to post something, helpfull or not, i just found it weird that no one said anything, not even "i am interested in this as well" or something like "good luck" that i see in other posts....
There's nothing weird you just don't have enough patience to wait for replies. Anyways, good to see that you actually utilized the search function. There's a dedicated android on hd2 forum here on xda. You should have posted your question there.
pbleonidus said:
i did several hours of searching before i posted this, and after a lot of dead ends and frustration, i posted the question, but i continued to search after i posted, which led me to my answer.
and i dont think you guys get paid anything, i just would have expected at least one person to post something, helpfull or not, i just found it weird that no one said anything, not even "i am interested in this as well" or something like "good luck" that i see in other posts....
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sent from android on hd2 using xda app
pbleonidus said:
and i dont think you guys get paid anything, i just would have expected at least one person to post something, helpfull or not, i just found it weird that no one said anything, not even "i am interested in this as well" or something like "good luck" that i see in other posts....
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We dont. It was sarcasm. Hes saying hes not getting paid to help you, so dont get upset when you dont get an answer... This is the internet. Dont expect things from anyone. Just relax and wait. Sometimes, depending on the question, it can take days, weeks to get an answer. If you need people to hold your hand and wish you luck, try the Disney forum.
donkeypunch85 said:
We dont. It was sarcasm. Hes saying hes not getting paid to help you, so dont get upset when you dont get an answer... This is the internet. Dont expect things from anyone. Just relax and wait. Sometimes, depending on the question, it can take days, weeks to get an answer. If you need people to hold your hand and wish you luck, try the Disney forum.
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haha, very funny, i know it was sarcasm, i just gave a serious answer...
i didnt expect anyone to hold my hand or give me an answer, i just would have thought some one would have something about something, like i said before, a lot of times people say good luck, or id be intersted in this too... i found it weird that no one said anything. i know you guys are mad because you couldnt understand my sarcasm, and that i was able to figure it out for myself. how come when i needed help no one said anything, but now that i have it figured out, you guys rant about me wanting everything handed to me, when thats not the case?
mods, please close thread, i got the problem fixed, and there is no need for this thread anymore...
pbleonidus said:
dont worry i got it working. thanks for all the help from those that posted! (obviously being sarcastic as no one posted anything)
if any one wants to know, i used max energy Co0kie Energy ROM
with the latest froyo stone android file thing
and a dual booter, ran into a few issues, but got it working
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and i didnt mean anything negative by this, i wasnt mad at anyone, i was just trying to be a little funny by throwing some sarcasm in there...
i am terribly sorry that you guys have no sense of humor and couldnt understand that... i though forums where supposed to be friendly, and people were supposed to be able to say funny and or sarcastic things without somone jumping on their back...
once again, please close thread.
it's all good in here man. We all just get a little bit of newbieitis where the only cure is to lash out at the newbs.
There is a lot to learn on this forum and by the time you learn it all, your device is out of date.
It seems you wanted to figure it all out in a night. Been using WinMo for about 2-3years now and I still don't have a clue most of the time.
pbleonidus, if that comment was just tongue-in-cheek, then it's all good, no harm no foul. Those types of comments are near-impossible to tell the difference between light-hearted and just disrespectful....and believe me, we get FAR more of the latter type in here...and that does tend to strike a bit of a raw nerve with those here who go to a lot of effort to help others.
So, a lesson in this for all of us: you're apparently not the type of snarky jerk that we run across so often, and we're not always able to generate answers as quickly as you might expect. Cool? Cool.
I'll get this thread closed for you.
Thread closed as requested.
WB

[THINK TANK]backlight notifications on bottom buttons from i9000... port possible!?!?

backlight buttons used for notifications on the i9000
i remember seeing this before in the theme and apps section and it got ruled out for the vibrant because of kernel issues i think it was... but they figured it out for the i9000, so i hope we can see this on our phone... soon.
btw... please dont flame and tell me this is in the wrong thread, because it will get more views here... and its in this section of the i9000 thread.
If you build it. they will come
Try this, it works like a charm: http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.led.notify
thanks... ive seen that in the market... but unless theyve changed the battery drain and the using home button to power the phone back up... it doesnt feel like a complete solution. atleast for me...
Michaelr219 said:
thanks... ive seen that in the market... but unless theyve changed the battery drain and the using home button to power the phone back up... it doesnt feel like a complete solution. atleast for me...
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well the source is there from the i9000 build, sounds like you need to get to work to fit your needs.
oh and it's in the development section in the i9000 section because there is DEVELOPMENT done, unless you plan on doing something this should go in the Q&A section.
flame on!
Who cares if its in the wrong section or not? If everyone posted crap like that then nothing would get done with our phone so take that **** elsewhere. Anyway back to the topic at hand, just reading over the first post it seems as tho the dev who made that is willing to port it to other Galaxy S phones. Anyone try contacting him yet?
rsfaze said:
well the source is there from the i9000 build, sounds like you need to get to work to fit your needs.
oh and it's in the development section in the i9000 section because there is DEVELOPMENT done, unless you plan on doing something this should go in the Q&A section.
flame on!
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woww! a fantastic 4 reference...
youre sooooo clever
ive never heard anyone use that out of context like that before
what a clever clever girl you are
i know how these threads work.
and in case you havent noticed!!!
the i9000 is a GALAXY S,
now look at the back of your phone
it probably says GALAXY S
hmmmm... soo strange how that works.
it isnt my fault that samsung decided to put
out 5 different versions of almost the same
effing phone.
i do my part for the community anyway i can,
and i know as well as anyone else, the q and a
section doesnt get as much attention... so,
hopefully this thread will bring to life some actual
development since this can and should be port-able
id do it myself, but obviously i cant...
which is why i posted.
Genesis1791 said:
Who cares if its in the wrong section or not? If everyone posted crap like that then nothing would get done with our phone so take that **** elsewhere. Anyway back to the topic at hand, just reading over the first post it seems as tho the dev who made that is willing to port it to other Galaxy S phones. Anyone try contacting him yet?
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yes... waiting for a response... i hope curio or jac are already aware of this and adding it to there kernels... it seems like a no brainer that this could be useful to anyone...
Michaelr219 said:
woww! a fantastic 4 reference...
youre sooooo clever
ive never heard anyone use that out of context like that before
what a clever clever girl you are
I'm a dude
i know how these threads work.
and in case you havent noticed!!!
the i9000 is a GALAXY S,
now look at the back of your phone
it probably says GALAXY S
The i9000 is a variation of the Galaxy S just as the Vibrant, Epic and so on are. Each may be similar but no two are alike, if they were you wouldn't be here requesting someone do something you are too lazy to figure out and learn yourself. And yes it's strange how THAT works.
hmmmm... soo strange how that works.
it isnt my fault that samsung decided to put
out 5 different versions of almost the same
effing phone.
Is it anyones fault? There is plenty of documentation available on android and there is the source for this project, why not contribute?
i do my part for the community anyway i can,
and i know as well as anyone else, the q and a
section doesnt get as much attention... so,
hopefully this thread will bring to life some actual
development since this can and should be port-able
id do it myself, but obviously i cant...
which is why i posted.
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Do your part by not being one of the members that purposely posts things in the wrong section. If the moderators did not feel the need for separate sections we would have one general forum.
And the reason the Q&A section doesn't get "much" attention is because people like you refuse to post there.. why would someone looks there if you continue to post here?
Change the thread title to include [Think Tank] then he can't complain anymore.
Genesis1791 said:
Change the thread title to include [Think Tank] then he can't complain anymore.
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Posts like this and we wonder why people respond at all
rsfaze said:
Posts like this and we wonder why people respond at all
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because people like you are on a high horse... you arent a mod.
you arent the xda police. id just like to bring it to an experienced persons attention who could do it faster than it would take me to learn. why? cause i work and have a life that doesnt completely revolve around xda.
so why dont you go flame someone elses thread little lady... as you can see, there are some ppl here that would like to accomplish the same thing id like to see. which is to get more functionality out of my phone, since it is obviously possible on other "similar" models.
to the mods. if im out of line.
pardon me.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=772698
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=766880
how many threads do we need to create about the same request/idea?
rsfaze said:
Posts like this and we wonder why people respond at all
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Really? Isn't the whole point behind a Think Tank to get people in here and try and get development done? Hmm seems to fit this thread perfectly. So what exactly is the problem now?
Edit: That configurable backlight timeout thread has nothing to do with this topic, It's a separate topic that in no way involves using the backlights as notifications. The other thread isn't a Think Tank so go flame in that one if your that hell bent on being useless to getting this to work on our phones.
Genesis1791 said:
Really? Isn't the whole point behind a Think Tank to get people in here and try and get development done? Hmm seems to fit this thread perfectly. So what exactly is the problem now?
Edit: That configurable backlight timeout thread has nothing to do with this topic, It's a separate topic that in no way involves using the backlights as notifications. The other thread isn't a Think Tank so go flame in that one if your that hell bent on being useless to getting this to work on our phones.
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lolololol... im done replying to him.
i bet as soon as this is released for the vibrant.
he'll be the first one in here dl'ing it...
hes the threads biggest fan soo far, what are
we at now? like 5 replys already...
soo rsfaze, take your little links and shove em up your think tank...
this thread doesnt need your negativity.
rsfaze said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=772698
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=766880
how many threads do we need to create about the same request/idea?
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oh... btw... smart guy... look where your links were posted
Michaelr219 said:
lolololol... im done replying to him.
i bet as soon as this is released for the vibrant.
he'll be the first one in here dl'ing it...
hes the threads biggest fan soo far, what are
we at now? like 5 replys already...
soo rsfaze, take your little links and shove em up your think tank...
this thread doesnt need your negativity.
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it's a shame when someone takes the time to show you that what you posted has been done twice now but instead of bumping one of the old threads you create another one.
What was I for thinking about the actual guidelines around here.
Good day
p.s. yes smart guy posted here and still not anything done.. I feel like I should be smacking my head on the desk right now while typing to you.
rsfaze said:
it's a shame when someone takes the time to show you that what you posted has been done twice now but instead of bumping one of the old threads you create another one.
What was I for thinking about the actual guidelines around here.
Good day
p.s. yes smart guy posted here and still not anything done.. I feel like I should be smacking my head on the desk right now while typing to you.
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embrace those feelings, sir.
Guys if you really want to see this in 2.2 instead of arguing do what I did and shoot this idea over to samsung!
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Guys if you really want to see this in 2.2 instead of arguing do what I did and shoot this idea over to samsung!
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sounds like a great idea... i guess im just hoping for an update.zip or apk possibly... like in the other thread... so that we can unlock this feature with ANY rom... but im glad to see people taking proactive steps... ill be sure to mention it on the samsung website...
sorry for the negativity previously in this thread... its just kind of sad to throw a disclaimer up, only to find someone try to tear it down... its unnecessarily negative when the out come of this thread is supposed to be positive.

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