Will be able to use wm7 with the wing? - Wing, P4350 General

Will be able to use wm7 with the wing?

probably not
it's gonna require more resources than wm6/6.1. also, because theres no accelerometer or a good camera, all the really fun stuff won't work

whoa, whoa. accelerometer? why is that in a phone? i guess like the iphone? wow, i need some information on wm7, where can i find such information?

gabriel713281 said:
Will be able to use wm7 with the wing?
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WM7 isn't coming out till 2009 anyways, so i woudn't worry about running it on a Wing, casue by then you(and the rest of us) will probably have brought a new phone already. And even if you did preserve your Wing till then, it will most likely, not be able to handle WM7. The newer phones, like Xpera, Raphael or Diamond are already putting the Wing and Kaiser to shame. Things like a lack of VGA or higher resolution screen, lack of huge RAM capacity, lack of powerfull procceser, lack of an accelerometer are just some of the things that make the wing incompatible with the Diamond interface itself, let alone WM7.

wyldstallyns2589 said:
whoa, whoa. accelerometer? why is that in a phone? i guess like the iphone? wow, i need some information on wm7, where can i find such information?
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Yes accelerometer is "like the iPhone". An accelerometer lets you phone detect motion to allow motion sensitive features. HTC's newest phones(Diamond and Raphael) including this feature and so does Xperia.

and from what i hear, the kaiser isn't that hard to "put to shame"
in fact, except for the increase in ram, i'm told they act just like 200mhz OMAPs

fzzyrn said:
and from what i hear, the kaiser isn't that hard to "put to shame"
in fact, except for the increase in ram, i'm told they act just like 200mhz OMAPs
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not completely ture, the Kaiser features a 400mhz proccesor and twice the RAM so it should be,in theory, twice as fast as the wing. Plus it has 3G, GPS, increased ROM etc. etc....

im with you. wm7 definitively will require a powerful device

there are always hardware mods.
it shouldnt be that hard to add an accelerometer to the Wing. i know its not impossible.
it should also be possibible to replace the camera and screen with a better quality one.
it all comes down to this:
if you want wm 7 on your wing, your gonna have to hardware mod it (if you even still have a wing by 09')
im planning on getting another Wing. This means i will have a spare. I will hardware mod the damn thing myself if i have to.

Midian said:
there are always hardware mods.
it shouldnt be that hard to add an accelerometer to the Wing. i know its not impossible.
it should also be possibible to replace the camera and screen with a better quality one.
it all comes down to this:
if you want wm 7 on your wing, your gonna have to hardware mod it (if you even still have a wing by 09')
im planning on getting another Wing. This means i will have a spare. I will hardware mod the damn thing myself if i have to.
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might as well, just buy a new phone...............hardware modding isn't as easy as flashing a ROM, HTC spends months engineering their phones, it's not as easy as you make it seem to add custom features to them.

i read that wm7 will actually use the camera instead of accelerometers. i seems like it won't work when the phone is facing something that is a solid color. oh well, i'm sure they'll get it

HW modding isnt that easy, or anyone could "mod" their hardwares
(i will mod my Herald to run Windows XP Embedded)

i would mod mine to run symbian just for the heck of it. i mean, why not?

WM 6.1 on tmobile wing
question can i install windows mobile 6.1 on my tmobile wing? and how can i get it???

emtp211 said:
question can i install windows mobile 6.1 on my tmobile wing? and how can i get it???
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go to the Herald, forum and look for instructions to flashing a Custom ROM. Then go to the Herald ROM Development section and pick a ROM, all the new ones are WM6.1. I personally use and reccomend ItsPapablackdiamond by pappamos.

wyldstallyns2589 said:
i read that wm7 will actually use the camera instead of accelerometers. i seems like it won't work when the phone is facing something that is a solid color. oh well, i'm sure they'll get it
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T-Mobile and HTC didn't even give us WM 6.1, which are devices are perfect with, the geniuses at XDA forums had to get it themselves, and our phones aren't even gonna be compatible with WM7, forget about getting it from official sorces. And by the way, the idea of using your camera as a motion detector has existed for a while and it was ruled out beacuase, it would require ridiculous battery, RAM and CPU usage. Besides al the new phones have built-in accelerometers, anyways.

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WM6 port to iPhone???

Has anyone started working on a wm6 port for the iPhone? Man, that'd be great to use this fantastic hardware with some flexability, upgradability, etc... Don't get me wrong, this is a great device, but let's face it: all it is, is an iPod with a phone built in and a few bells n whistles. You can't play with it the way you can a wm device!!
Any takers???
rofl.
this is quite funny - 2/3 of posts is about iphone solutions, and now i can see this post
i don't think thats possible...
who knows if the chipset is even compatible.
the only thing i would like to see ported from the iPhone to WM6 is the Safari Browser... that would be the only thing.
I can live without "Kinetic" Scrolling.
I have to agree with nothin its funny over 3/4 of the latest additions upgrades and themes all have the iphone touch to them and theres this guy asking to port our crappy MS interface to an iphone?? (BTW i love my crappy MS interface cuz theres so much i can do with it unlike the iphone which is "what u see is what u get" there aint much extra u can do with it)
Yeah but once you port WM over to the iPhone - you can skin it to look like an iPhone! If you figure this out, we outta all chip in, buy two iphone and send a fully skinned WM6.1 iPhone to Billy G (Stevie B now?) and Steve Jobs - maybe MS will get the hint to make cleaner better looking programs and Apple will take the hint to allow it's user's greater flexibility!
Quite frankly though, I suspect you'd have an easier time installing something like XP Embeded on it but that's just my 2 cents!
docnas said:
... unlike the iphone which is "what u see is what u get" there aint much extra u can do with it
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Not true if you're willing to void the warranty and risk the issues in OTA upgrades. Not THAT far from how Verizon sees things, in some ways.
The *nix aspects of that thing are amazing. Unlock it and aim it at the internet and get MENUS of things to load with no "where's the cab file" or "how do I install this thing" issues.
A super-geek at the office got one and had all that stuff going while still running over WiFi (I guess, since he hadn't activated it yet). Impressive looking stuff if you're *nix savvy.
OpenBSD is indeed powerful and i would rather have THAT on my XDA II instead of WM6 on an iPhone.
The iPhone is a piece of useless crap unless you jailbreak it, and that does not conform to my understanding of freedom & flexibility.
In WM6 i just drop CAB's onto my Memory Card, execute it and then i'm good.
Maybe i could have looked over these shortcomings if the price was REASONABLE... which it's not.
I can get a TyTN II here in Germany for half the Price of the iPhone (around 160 Euros) with a contract.
If you try to get the iPhone without a contract, then it rips a 999 Euro Hole in your Pocket... and before i do that, i'll just save my Money for a TyTN II.
jadephyre said:
If you try to get the iPhone without a contract, then it rips a 999 Euro Hole in your Pocket... and before i do that, i'll just save my Money for a TyTN II.
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untrue. in Herne a guy sells iphones without contracts for 450 €.
All I was saying when I started this thread is the iphone hardware is better than anything we have on the market now, and I like using WM6 because it's so flexable and you can have some real fun with it, and I'd like to join the two. If you enjoy your iphone the way it is, then this thread isn't for you...
Impossible? Compatability issues? HA! Me thinks not!!! That's what *DRIVERS* are for. They just need to be written, that's all. Good grief... WM6 is SOFTWARE, and so is iphone OSX. If some hardware, or firmware or software concept works under one, it can BE MADE TO work under the other. Just takes some imagination, some want-to, and ignore they nay-sayers.
docnas said:
this guy asking to port our crappy MS interface to an iphone??
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No! Not the interface... THE ENTIRE OPERATING SYSTEM!!! And while we're at it, lets make a totally new interface, like HTC's TouchFlo, so it's not so crappy, ey?
docnas said:
(BTW i love my crappy MS interface cuz theres so much i can do with it unlike the iphone which is "what u see is what u get" there aint much extra u can do with it)
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MY POINT EXACTLY!!! Thanks dude
Anyway, I for one would love to run WM6 on the iphone, and no, I wouldn't skin it like an iphone. I don't want my WM6 pda to look like an iphone, even if it is one. I'd much rather see a totally new solution, like HTC did with the Touch, only way better than the Touch or the iphone. Not impossible... Y'all take care now...
mate. if the best developers here, who ahve years and years of experience cant write drivers for the kaiser and other similar devices hardware video acceleration, when if im honest, theyve been working on pretty similar devices for years.... how on earth are they meant to write drivers for an unknown chipset unknown processor, a touchscreen which no windows mobile device uses and a bunch of other stuff...
and its not like an iphone developer rather then a wm developer could write the drivers, because
a) the platform is very young, closed and nobody has much experience even writing programs for it, let alone drivers.
b) why would they want to, all iphone owners are fanboys and hate wm just because its wm.
Plus..... even though the real osx has been ported to pc's, it doesnt have many drivers at all, no wlan drivers and many other things missing... And, pc driver writing is so much more established than ppc writing, but they cant write drivers for the full osx, how will it be easy to write them for a downsized osx...?
Im not setting out to flame, its just to point out that its not exactly commonplace to port an os with full compatibility to another device which was before incompatible...
Rory
docnas said:
(BTW i love my crappy MS interface cuz theres so much i can do with it unlike the iphone which is "what u see is what u get" there aint much extra u can do with it)
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GREAT WORDS!
exactly!

Windows Mobile 6.1 on T-Mobile G1

Hi all,
I've a really silly question: Is it possible to install Windows Mobile on T-Mobile G1 Phone?
Kind regards,
Heinz Kohls
Before some of the "think they are better then the world" people come on here and post to you in a rude manner, search. Its your friend and will answer most questions you have about the phone, if by chance you dont find your answer, then its ok to post asking about it.
While I see a lot of people on these boards helping people, I also see people that forget they were once an idiot as well.. its not the amount of posts you have, its not really even what you do for the community.. its equally important how you choose to interact with other, equal members.
So again, use the search feature on the forums. You will find what you seek.
Thanks, but I am not worked up over anything. No need to relax, I simply posted to him in a civil manner and told him to search for it, its best to point out how to do something for yourself, then to have the info given to you. In the future if he wants/needs more info he now knows how to find it.
I see your in NC, I am assuming thats Wlimington NC? I am in Raleigh myself.
I don't get it...
Why is it of such interest to put WinMo on the G1 in the first place?
Why not just get a Wing or Fuze or something? The G1 is unique because of Android. If it came with WinMo 6.1 do you think that it would sell as well as the other phones out there that do? I would honestly be more interested in putting Android on my Wing then WinMo on my G1 and I don't even know Linux! But that's just me.
Actually, I'd say the equivalent to the G1 with WinMo would be the HTC Touch Pro. For the G2, it'd be the Touch Diamond.
The interest is in the hardware. The G1 is 3G compatible and has built-in GPS (kinda) To top it off, it's CHEAP (but that price is from the Google subsidy.)
I haven't kept up with what tmo is offering lately, but when it was released, the G1 was the only tmo phone that had those, and it's been a wish for the diehard WM fans to have it on the G1 since it was released.
I'd say "don't worry." There will be spiffier, new, WM phones that have what you need.
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The interest is in the hardware. The G1 is 3G compatible and has built-in GPS (kinda) To top it off, it's CHEAP (but that price is from the Google subsidy.)
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Good points, T-Mobile's selection hasn't been that great recently. Hopefully they will get the Touch Pro2.
P.S. The G1 has full GPS, don't know what you mean by "kinda".
Well it might never be made to run natively but this looks promising:-
http://www.androidauthority.com/ind...s-ce-and-android-on-a-phone-at-the-same-time/
and some info from the actual developers:-
http://www.vmware.com/technology/mobile/
Looks like its going to be offered to handset manufacturers only but im sure it won't be long til someone "acquires" a copy from somewhere!
OSX on G1 anyone? lol
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Why is it of such interest to put WinMo on the G1 in the first place?
Why not just get a Wing or Fuze or something? The G1 is unique because of Android. If it came with WinMo 6.1 do you think that it would sell as well as the other phones out there that do? I would honestly be more interested in putting Android on my Wing then WinMo on my G1 and I don't even know Linux! But that's just me.
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its quite simple why, (for me it is)
i would not want to run only windows mobile on my g1, but android simultaniously with wm.
why cause i travel allot, i need a good gps device with no data fees. like a dedicated gps software but built in to my phone, so i do not need to take all the hardware with me everry time i go away.
i am from belgium and its quite expensive for mobile internet over here.
we dont even have an unlimited data plan for fixed internet, so forget mobile.
the roaming charges are also quite expensive, i would love a good gps software for the g1.
for me now this is the main reason why would do this.
if you have an alternatif, that would be good for me.
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P.S. The G1 has full GPS, don't know what you mean by "kinda".
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I said "kinda" because I've been let down in a pinch more than once by the insane warmup time for the G1's GPS. I never had trouble with an external, bluetooth GPS receiver on a Dash, for example.

Can you flash these with a WM6.5 Rom?

Just asking if anyone has attempted to flash the "Google" phones with a Windows mobile rom yet? Is it possible. Is anyone looking into it?
No its not possible, and GOD NO! Why the hell would you want to DESTROY a perfectly good phone with that CRAP?
I 100% agree with lbcoder,
why oh why would you want to flash it with a Windows Mobile OS ...
Oh FFS!!! WM on a sapphire....Android on a TD....WTF is wrong with you people??
You want one, buy it. you want the other, buy that. personally, after many years of WM, having been using android pretty much exclusively since i recieved a proto magic in early feb, i have no intention of going back!!
By the way....Nice to see you finally stopped trolling and started posting Jedi!
my god
The Numnuts
Chuckle chuckle
missing the point
you guys are a little hard on the OP, a site like xda is all about getting android to run on winmo device and vice versa!
Hi,
I think that it could be very hard to use winmo in an android device. Android requires some specific hardware and I'm pretty sure, trying this, could be the better way to brick the phone :/
The bootloader isn't made for this... But maybe, it's possible anyway. Like the exploit to run debian over android (without changing anything). The limits of this system will surely be that android doesn't use a real X server (If I've well understand it uses some kind of framebuffer light X).
And to rejoin other voices... WHY, GOD WHY?!?
..agree with everyone's sentiment. Also, I don't think WM supports capacitive touchscreen displays.
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..agree with everyone's sentiment. Also, I don't think WM supports capacitive touchscreen displays.
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This is true, besides a heap of drivers would need to be coded aswell.
If you want a Windows Mobile phone we can trade, you have my HTC Diamond with WinMo 6.5 and I'll have your HTC Magic
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No its not possible, and GOD NO! Why the hell would you want to DESTROY a perfectly good phone with that CRAP?
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totally agree!
I'm pretty sure it's possible... Nothing is impossible. After all it is a "normal" phone with a Qualcomm chipset (The same as in several HTC phones + Xperia X1). Isn't Windows Phone (?) 7 supposed to support capacitive screens?
WM has more applications, thats one big reason. Its like comparing Windows with OS X, just because you got a Mac doesnt meen you want OS X. People buy stuff because they look good and at first dont think about what software they are going to use.
You cant run Age Of Empire or Duke Nukem on Android, etc.
If all you want is CRAP, but if you want crap, you should buy crap. There is no reason to buy this device when you want something different.
And no, it is not possible because of a lack of compatible drivers, and just because there are a few similar features doesn't mean that everything lines up. Fact is that it would be a *major* undertaking to run crap on these phones. To start with, you would have to write a new bootloader, and I doubt that that is going to happen since most real developers are more interested in converting wm phones to run android than the other way around.
And fyi: these devices dont have the right set of physical buttons to run wmcrap.
While I agree it would be neat to dual boot WinMo and Android on any hardware you wanted, I think it's pretty unlikely that anyone is going to bother going to all that effort since there are already hundreds of WinMo phones out there.

Official WinMo 6.5.3 for Topaz?

Hi.
Is there any info about HTC releasing official 6.5.3 update for Topaz?
I wouldn't be counting on it. Topaz came with 6.1 and they provided an upgrade to 6.5. Usually, one upgrade is about all you get.
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I wouldn't be counting on it. Topaz came with 6.1 and they provided an upgrade to 6.5. Usually, one upgrade is about all you get.
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hmm wondering about the pure getting 6.5.3 though .. it started with 6.5.1
BUT!!!!!! WinMo 7.... Just wait and you'll see
This information is more than intuition.......
I have no doubt that WM7 will be heavier than 6.5, which is already the limit for what the D2 can handle. So, maybe there will be some kind chef willing to cook it for D2, but will it be acceptable for every day use?
deechte said:
I have no doubt that WM7 will be heavier than 6.5, which is already the limit for what the D2 can handle. So, maybe there will be some kind chef willing to cook it for D2, but will it be acceptable for every day use?
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I think the complete opposite. The iphone has set a very high bar. It works very smoothly and that too with a processor under 1 Ghz and no obscene amounts of RAM. The WinMo7 has to at the very least match it, if not beat it.
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I think the complete opposite. The iphone has set a very high bar. It works very smoothly and that too with a processor under 1 Ghz and no obscene amounts of RAM. The WinMo7 has to at the very least match it, if not beat it.
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This can be done pretty easily. They just have to go without multitasking functionality. But do you really want that?
I don't ever have Solitaire, Opera, File Explorer, and Word Mobile open at one time. It's a battery-powered mobile device with limited memory and a power-frugal processor.
Yes, I do want that. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I want to to that as well as the iPhone does it. Only I don't want it to come with a 2 year £40 per month contract, like the iPhone does
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This can be done pretty easily. They just have to go without multitasking functionality. But do you really want that?
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Very good point! I most certainly don't want that!
They could also make limited multitasking functionaly, I mean that they could limit the number of programs that can be opened at once, and when I bought my Topaz in the specifications it was clearly mentioned that I will get a free upgrade to WM7, so I think that we will have an official upgrade in the future.
kiousuke said:
...when I bought my Topaz in the specifications it was clearly mentioned that I will get a free upgrade to WM7
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are you sure? never seen that in any advert. maybe orange did some marketing tricks. as everybody pointed out, HTC never releases 2 generations of ROMs for same device. anyway, by the time WM 7 will be out and stable, people will start looking at another bunch of devices to upgrade. I for sure am not going to keep my device longer than the warranty.
It could be a marketing thing.
i'm fairly sure windows 7 has defined hardware specs, and the TD2 comes nowhere near them. Of the current phones, only the HD2 does. And that would mean there would definitley be no WM7 on the TD2
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i'm fairly sure windows 7 has defined hardware specs, and the TD2 comes nowhere near them. Of the current phones, only the HD2 does. And that would mean there would definitley be no WM7 on the TD2
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I doubt that, I do think that TD2 will run WM7 just fine, you underestimate the power of the "tool" you're using
No Update
Its most unlikely there will be an official update to windows phone 7.
Hardware requirements (source HTC Russia) state the device has to have:
Demand TD2
•1Ghz processor NO
•3.6 inch WVGA display NO
•G-sensor and compas NO
•8GB internal memory NO
•5MP camera YES
So there will be no official update.
Problably it will be ported to our device by the community.
Mmmm...
I have to agree... if we get an official WM7 update for TD2, I'll gladly eat my device and post the video on YouTube for all to see! However, the spec requirement is high, but if anyone has noticed, Windows 7 uses far less resources than Vista. If it follows that WM7 will follow this trend, may be our 'old' devices will be able to handle the new OS?
I would imagine the chasis specs were seeing are not so much for the OS to run on, but so MS can go to developers, especially games developers and say to them that WM7 will be running on this hardware as a minimum so target your games for this.
Currently the WM6 devices are over a broad range fo processor speeds, memory, resoloutions and differing addons (GPS, Accelerometer, graphics chips, compass, capacitive screen) that it is impossible to get the kind of one program runs on all that you get in the iphone community.
You could cook WM7 to run on this hardware, but I can't see it going beyond proof of concept as a lot of the software will be pitched at higher resources and the lack of compass/capacative screen may hold back some feateures.
Besides, by the time it hits the streets... why would I want to still be using a TD2. I'll want a TD3 at that point ;-)
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They could also make limited multitasking functionaly, I mean that they could limit the number of programs that can be opened at once
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It can already only run 32 processes at once, and a large amount of those are already taken.
I've questioned someone from HTC and he said that it hasn't been discussed if there will be future ROM development for WM7, so we will have to wait and see.
Lost the plot here, what about 6.5.3 official.....
I would like the ability to move the widgets around

Sick of the Winmo 7 discussion

Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
Fabian1985 said:
Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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Specs are good, but hardware requirements are not met by the HD2, now what does that mean, well it means that HTC did not look ahead, and used the wrong button configuration on the phone, so it is outside the spec of what MS says is required for WP7.
So yes we are Officially screwed out of WP7 because of the buttons on our phones .....
I doubt MS is going to change their requirements for the very few existing WinMo phones that have the CPU and RAM to handle WP7.
The hard resetting you have to do every couple weeks may have more to do with WinMo 6.5.x than the fact that it's a custom ROM. I'm sure we'll get near-stock WP7 ROMs that will function much better than what we currently have. Don't lament before we even have anything on that front.
I don't think wp7 will even be a viable option for most of us anyways (at least the initial release). Very locked down, sounds a lot like the first iphone. I'm hoping they update quickly and open it up (at least every 2-3 months), but I wouldn't hold my breath.
That is why I decided to take the plunge with the hd2. Figured it would be a couple of years before I was ready to jump on wp7. (though that 1.5ghz snapdragon htc sounds interesting and apparently is coming to t-mobile...)
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The hard resetting you have to do every couple weeks may have more to do with WinMo 6.5.x than the fact that it's a custom ROM. I'm sure we'll get near-stock WP7 ROMs that will function much better than what we currently have. Don't lament before we even have anything on that front.
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Ow is it? Cuz now I still work with my HTC Raph100 with those custom roms I talked about. I'm hoping to unbox my Leo begin this week.
So are the roms better now for the Leo?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
When I go to the offical windows mobile 7 home page..the first thing I see is the HTC Leo!!!
p.s. Sorry for the image size :$
Greetz,
Fabian1985
im still trying to work out why anyone would WANT wp7 on their hd2. itd be like putting Windows 1.0 on an Alienware pc. im sure there will be custom roms if you wanna have a glorified Instinct, but just cause something is new doesnt mean its better. why would you want to cripple this powerhouse phone with that dumbed-down software? doyou actually WANT to be able to do less with it???
im still trying to work out why anyone would WANT wp7 on their hd2. itd be like putting Windows 1.0 on an Alienware pc. im sure there will be custom roms if you wanna have a glorified Instinct, but just cause something is new doesnt mean its better. why would you want to cripple this powerhouse phone with that dumbed-down software? doyou actually WANT to be able to do less with it???
The reason I want to have It Is this:
I read that Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on all the old previous versions, based on CE blabla (I don't know It exactly anymore) so there Is alot of old junk that is not needed anymore.
The new Winmo 7 is totally new so therefore It should be allot faster then all the previous versions.
Please tell me If I'm wrong..
Greetz,
Fabian1985
For me, tinkering is fun, but that is not the main function of my work device. I want it to work, and work well. If that means giving up a couple features, features which I can live without, then I'll play ball. WP7 has been built from the ground up with a very different goal than Windows Mobile, which had the original goal of bringing the PC to a PDA format. I don't need that, and the functionality that is associated with that goal gets in the way of usability for my purposes. If your use cases do not match up with what WP7 is capable of, so be it, but know that the vast majority of customers aren't tinkerers and tweakers.
Fabian1985 said:
The reason I want to have It Is this:
I read that Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on all the old previous versions, based on CE blabla (I don't know It exactly anymore) so there Is alot of old junk that is not needed anymore.
The new Winmo 7 is totally new so therefore It should be allot faster then all the previous versions.
Please tell me If I'm wrong..
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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"alot of old junk" in WM 6.5? Oh yes - like copy & paste, and proper multitasking? If you think that's junk, you'll love WP7.
iPhone OS v1 was rubbish. v4 finally has most of what you actually need and what WM has had for years. Same with Android - the first versions were severly lacking in many areas. Only now is it coming into it's own at v2.2.
Anyone should be able to see that since it's a completely new OS, WP7 will be equally as rubbish as the iPhone and Android offerings were at initial release.
yes, BUT WM still misses a lot of stuff such as gfx libs for better programs...
like ballmer says... they need to lure Developers Developers Developers somehow...
iPhone is #1 because of apps... WM is last only because of apps... and WM7 is taking sooo long because MS's management SUCKS... they seriously need to hire someone better to get thier mobile dept straightened... look at kin... what it could have been if only those devs were still part of wp7...
drownage said:
yes, BUT WM still misses a lot of stuff such as gfx libs for better programs...
like ballmer says... they need to lure Developers Developers Developers somehow...
iPhone is #1 because of apps... WM is last only because of apps... and WM7 is taking sooo long because MS's management SUCKS... they seriously need to hire someone better to get thier mobile dept straightened... look at kin... what it could have been if only those devs were still part of wp7...
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They put in Terry Myerson a bit more than a year ago, but thanks anyways for the un-researched comment. He's been spearheading the reset efforts in WP7. Some like him, some don't. I'll reserve and judgment until WP7 is launched and tested in the market.
This is a stupid and pointless thread.
Fabian1985 said:
Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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Be patient and wait for WM Phone 7 to come out! Once it's out you / HD2 will get the chance.
Kalavere said:
This is a stupid and pointless thread.
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Well, yes it is now, did not start out that way, but a discussion is one thing ...
But when people have convinced themselves of something , and just want to argue the point it is no longer a discussion ...
1.) HD2 Specs are great, but HTC did not adhere to What MS has released as specs for WP7, so HTC screwed us out of an Official WP7.
2.) MS specs for WP7 were released(but not to the public) before the HD2 was , so MS is not inclined or obligated to change their specs to fit the HD2
3.) We actually have 1 too many buttons on the HD2 but None of them are the almighty "Search" button, so again the HD2 is outside the spec so no official WP7.
watcher64 said:
Well, yes it is now, did not start out that way, but a discussion is one thing ...
But when people have convinced themselves of something , and just want to argue the point it is no longer a discussion ...
1.) HD2 Specs are great, but HTC did not adhere to What MS has released as specs for WP7, so HTC screwed us out of an Official WP7.
2.) MS specs for WP7 were released(but not to the public) before the HD2 was , so MS is not inclined or obligated to change their specs to fit the HD2
3.) We actually have 1 too many buttons on the HD2 but None of them are the almighty "Search" button, so again the HD2 is outside the spec so no official WP7.
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Actually, the Euro version of the HD2 was released before the announcement of WP7. Still, I'm not sure if HTC was made aware of the requirements by the time they were already far along in the design of the HD2.
chuck232 said:
Actually, the Euro version of the HD2 was released before the announcement of WP7. Still, I'm not sure if HTC was made aware of the requirements by the time they were already far along in the design of the HD2.
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I had heard about the 3 button some time early last year, but you are right that may have been after the design and during the production phase of the HD2.
MS did not make an Official release of the specs till I think January of this year, I think that is when it was.
Either way , you can blame HTC, you can blame MS, but, it is true for any piece of technology, CPU's that keep changing sockets, Video Cards that keep changing standards, DVD/Blu-Ray standards the list goes, on ...
I mean providers are not going to change what they decide to to with regards to their specs and requirements just because people scream, I mean why can't I run Iphone OS on my HD2(not that I want to ), because it is not compatible, even though the HD2 out powers most Iphones, and just because Apple says NO.
I suggest, instead of getting all up in arms here, and bashing people for their views you contact MS and HTC and complain to them, not that it will get you anywhere, just as posting here is just gonna start a big discussion, but not fix it anyway.
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They put in Terry Myerson a bit more than a year ago, but thanks anyways for the un-researched comment. He's been spearheading the reset efforts in WP7. Some like him, some don't. I'll reserve and judgment until WP7 is launched and tested in the market.
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Yes, sorry I meant more like management a while ago... 1 year ago is still much after iPhone released... they should have done something like WP7 from the beginning and if management wasn't an issue, I doubt we would see two different teams for mobile in the first place: Kin and WP7... I do agree however, management is seeming much better now...
EDIT: also, for hardware keys, all we're missing is the search button... since wp7 will have windows button go to the tiles screen which is also the home, we can map the home screen to search (Kind of implying home page aka bing/search)? If they wanted MS could have easily added official support, but i am sure HTC influenced them to do that... since that would mean HD3 sales for them... ahh if only i were rich :-/...
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EDIT: also, for hardware keys, all we're missing is the search button... since wp7 will have windows button go to the tiles screen which is also the home, we can map the home screen to search (Kind of implying home page aka bing/search)? If they wanted MS could have easily added official support, but i am sure HTC influenced them to do that... since that would mean HD3 sales for them... ahh if only i were rich :-/...
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True, and I am sure some of the smart guys here will do just that for our custom WP7 ...

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