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Screen jittering while playing videos

When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.

Hi, there are some posts that have tips to help with playback using TCMP, but I myself quickly got irritated with it and installed the latest PocketTV, watched a few of my mpeg's with it and it plays them good, you might check it out.
http://www.pockettv.com/
hope that might be of some help to you.

ump001 said:
When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
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This is a known incompatibility issue with all Hermes devices and betaboy from Corecodec will be looking into it, when they get hold of a hermes device. Pocket TV as mentioned in the above post, only supports ATI Imageon 3200 device chipsets, the Hermes has a different one (still unknown which one), that is not yet yet supported under TCPMP. Additionally, the Hermes ATI decoder only hardware supports MP4 playback, but you should be able to get non-scrambled screen and semi-acceptable playback in Rawframebuffer mode. For ATI hardware accelleration on the hermes try encoding MP4 video clips and playing back in WMP10 until TCPMP issue is resolved. Excellent playback and not jittering in playback, forward/rewind or in pause and resume.
Hope this helps.

I dunno about all the chipset junk, but pockettv plays em very nicely, and I don't have to reencode all my videos(what a waste of time) or deal with semi acceptable playback.

NumSkull!!
ChaoticDruid said:
I dunno about all the chipset junk, but pockettv plays em very nicely, and I don't have to reencode all my videos(what a waste of time) or deal with semi acceptable playback.
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PocketTV supports: MPEG-1/MPEG..........that's it!
TCPMP supports:
Video: MPEG-1, MPEG, MPEG-4, DivX, XviD, AVC/H.264, Theora, MKV, Dirac, OGM, WMV
Audio: MP3, AAC, AC3, OGG, Shoutcast support, MKA, MPC, Speex, FLAC, AMR, u-law, Wav
Pictures: JPG, PNG, TIFF, MJPEG
Multimedia: COSP, SVG
....but if all you want to do is playback MPEGs (which still have to be encoded at a resolution and bit-rate PocketTV can support - even if you haven't had to do it!), then stick with whatever you're happy with.
However most people who are used to having the freedom of using various formats as is supported by TCPMP, will undoubtedly miss the many adjustable settings that also come with the player, hence posts in this particular thread for those who are trying to achieve the type of flawless device/software compatibility most of us have been accustomed to in the past with TCPMP.
Have you ever even tried TCPMP? Have you even considered that AVI file formats & codecs dramatically reduce filesize compared to MPEG, with substantially better quality? There are many different factors why we all use different software and usually the same common denominator why most choose to use the same software i.e .....it's the best out there!!
Even the name of the software you advocate is non-sensical....PocketTV??!! Where is the TV part of the application? Anyway nuff said. For those who know what I'm talking about, my forementioned posts already stated that Betaboy and the Corecodec development team are looking into the compatibility issue regarding the Hermes. Meanwhile my suggestion was, in the interim, to encode new vids to MP4 if you desire DVD quality on your PPC but that you can, for now ONLY,.....get acceptable playback using Rawframebuffer mode, still giving you more format options than the useless PocketTV. :lol:

yep, just turn off the ati and use rawframe buffer option in the tcpmp video options.

mackaby007 said:
ump001 said:
When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
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This is a known incompatibility issue with all Hermes devices and betaboy from Corecodec will be looking into it, when they get hold of a hermes device. Pocket TV as mentioned in the above post, only supports ATI Imageon 3200 device chipsets, the Hermes has a different one (still unknown which one), that is not yet yet supported under TCPMP. Additionally, the Hermes ATI decoder only hardware supports MP4 playback, but you should be able to get non-scrambled screen and semi-acceptable playback in Rawframebuffer mode. For ATI hardware accelleration on the hermes try encoding MP4 video clips and playing back in WMP10 until TCPMP issue is resolved. Excellent playback and not jittering in playback, forward/rewind or in pause and resume.
Hope this helps.
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Does WMP10 support MPEG4 derivatives i.e. XVid and DivX "out of the box" or do I need codecs?
Thanks

rpwood said:
mackaby007 said:
ump001 said:
When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
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This is a known incompatibility issue with all Hermes devices and betaboy from Corecodec will be looking into it, when they get hold of a hermes device. Pocket TV as mentioned in the above post, only supports ATI Imageon 3200 device chipsets, the Hermes has a different one (still unknown which one), that is not yet yet supported under TCPMP. Additionally, the Hermes ATI decoder only hardware supports MP4 playback, but you should be able to get non-scrambled screen and semi-acceptable playback in Rawframebuffer mode. For ATI hardware accelleration on the hermes try encoding MP4 video clips and playing back in WMP10 until TCPMP issue is resolved. Excellent playback and not jittering in playback, forward/rewind or in pause and resume.
Hope this helps.
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Does WMP10 support MPEG4 derivatives i.e. XVid and DivX "out of the box" or do I need codecs?
Thanks
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Don't think you can add codec to the WMP10, but I could be mistaken. As far as I know, it won't support any derivatives of the MPEG4 family only 'original' mp4 as in i-Pod mp4, hence the reason why I use 'ImTOO DVD to iPod Converter 4' and 'ImTOO iPod Movie Converter'. They work perfectly for me for the meantime, but I will be switching back to Divx and Xvid once the Coreplayer 1.0 Mobile CE has been released. You just can't beat their filesizes over quality. MP4's look every bit as good as the best AVI's, but the difference in size is anything from 200-300 megs of extra space!

thanks for the hint of changing to raw buffer in video option. works great. i love tcmp!!!! it is the THE corking best

glad you got it sorted, TCPMP is superb, even without the ATI.

[Video] Best playback on Xperia

I think it's about time for us to clear a few things up concerning video playback on the X1.
The X1 can play most codecs using Coreplayer Mobile.
However, to optimize video's for the X1 and windows media player, a converter such as SUPER can be used.
Please note that optimizing your X1 is advised. See this thread for more information.
Now what I would like to find out is what settings work best for the X1 to playback video with a few different preset configurations.
What we need to know is the optimal:
Resolution
Framerate
Video Codec
Video Bitrate
Audio Codec
Audio Bitrate
Audio Sampling Frequency
Container
And any other/better tools to use.
To be able to better compare results I've uploaded the Crysis Warhead HD Trailer. You can download it here.
Please use this trailer to compare and post your settings in this thread.
This thread will be updated with new information as it arises. The second post contains an example of settings I used and will be updated with user posted settings that work well.
--- Important information ---
* CorePlayer is not hardware accelerated. This means that CorePlayer is more likely to play your video's choppy. The built-in media player, however, does have hardware acceleration. To get the best video performance, at this moment the built-in media player is your best choice.
* The h.264 codec is supported by the built-in media player and currently has the best compression vs quality ratio.
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Coreplayer Mobile
SUPER

--- Source file ---
Setting: HD Quality - 63.4MB @ 0hrs, 1min, 32sec.
Resolution: 1280 x 720
Framerate: 30
Video Codec: WMV9
Video Bitrate: 6090 kb/s
Audio Codec: WMA9
Audio Sampling Freq.: 44100
Audio Bitrate:: 96 kb/s
Container: WMV
Download example here: Source file
--- Settings --- Here the optimal settings will be provided as they become available.
Configuration: Low Quality - 4.7MB @ 1min, 31sec. (+- 280MB for 1.5hrs of movie)
Resolution: 400x240
Framerate: 25
Video Codec: h.264
Video Bitrate: 192 kb/s
Audio Codec: AAC
Audio Sampling Freq.: 22050
Audio Bitrate:: 64 kb/s
Container: mp4
Download example here: Low Quality
Configuration: Medium Quality - 5.9MB @ 1min, 31sec. (+- 350MB for 1.5hrs of movie)
Resolution: 400x240
Framerate: 25
Video Codec: h.264
Video Bitrate: 384 kb/s
Audio Codec: AAC
Audio Sampling Freq.: 44100
Audio Bitrate:: 96 kb/s
Container: mp4
Download example here: Medium Quality
Configuration: High Quality - 10.4MB @ 1min, 31sec. (+- 620MB for 1.5hrs of movie)
Resolution: 608x368
Framerate: 30
Video Codec: h.264
Video Bitrate: 768
Audio Codec: AAC
Audio Sampling Freq.: 44100
Audio Bitrate:: 96 kb/s
Container: mp4
Download example here: High Quality
Configuration: Highest Quality - 16.8MB @ 1min, 31sec. (+- 1000MB for 1.5hrs of movie)
Resolution: 800x480
Framerate: 30
Video Codec: h.264
Video Bitrate: 1294 kb/s
Audio Codec: AAC
Audio Sampling Freq.: 44100
Audio Bitrate:: 128 kb/s
Container: mp4
Download example here: Highest Quality
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When posting settings, supply the same information as I do here.

Good you have come up with this.. once we all share I think we can reach to as what best converter settings we can use for X1... After reading lot of material... I use these settings which gives me full screen decent/smooth run movies.. had no problems at all... but don't know if they are the best settings... check it out :
Xvid MPEG-4 Codec, 569 Target bitrate, 23.976 fps, Screen Size 640x384, Sound Mp3 128 to 160 kbit/s. Encoder used : TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress. ( The best converter with total cut/edit features )
Let me know the results.

Nero Recode 3
AVC in MP4, 400x240, ~400kbps
HE-AAC, ~80kbps,
Runs excellent in the Mediapanel and did quite good (but worse) in the Coreplayer 1.2.5, when I still had it installed. Switched to the Panel completely for playing back my mp4 rips.
Uh, theres a template. Well then, again:
Resolution 400x240
Codec AVC/h.264
Framerate 25 or as source if lower
Video Bitrate ~400kbps
Audio Sampling as source
Audio Bitrate HE-AAC, ~80kbps

I have tried so many diff combination but still haven't found one optimal to use with the x1. This thread will be great for me to do more testing. I usually super or aimersoft. Please chime in if you use those above software to encode video.

I'm at work right now so can't be 100% sure, but as I remember (it's discussed in threads in the main SE X1 forum section) for the highest quality you can get on x1, encode the files for Baseline 1.3 h264, 800x450 max resolution, 30fps, and play them on wm media player or the media panel.
Videos will not run well at anything near that resolution on core player or tcpmp, they don't use the hardware acceleration that's available to media player and the media panel, although tcpmp and coreplayer will handle many more codecs.

Thanks for the additions people, I've uploaded a better video file to test with. It's HD by default so you can actually see the difference between high quality encoded and low/medium.
For those who post configurations, please (please!) stick to the template, I will try and reproduce the settings so I can judge them and add them to the topic.
I would like more information on the hardware acceleration topic as well;
1) Why isn't coreplayer hardware accelerated?
2) Can it be changed so it is?
3) Are there any other/better video players out there?

Because the driver specifications are not available and the hardware cant be accessed by third party programmers
CorePlayer team said in their forum they got hold of Qualcomm and are working to provide hardware acceleration for any MSM7xxx chipset having the graphics hardware in one of the next builds of the player
Better regarding what aspect?

Thanks for your reply. I'd like to see what CorePlayer can do if they manage to get the hardware acceleration working.
Better regarding smooth playback and codec support. Perhaps there's a way to add codecs to the Winmo media player?
EDIT: Updated with new configurations, all based on h.264 (for best compression/quality ratio)
EDIT2: Added another setting, tested for quality and uploaded all examples for your viewing pleasure.
EDIT3: Tested the movies on my X1. From low to high the quality is visibly better every time, so that's a good thing. On the highest quality setting proposed above, the graphics were stunning, however, it ran choppy, it looked like my X1 couldn't keep up with that high bitrate & resolution. I'd like more opinions, who else will test them!? (Tested with windows mobile media player).

Who can help me test the highest settings?

Angelusz said:
EDIT3: Tested the movies on my X1. From low to high the quality is visibly better every time, so that's a good thing. On the highest quality setting proposed above, the graphics were stunning, however, it ran choppy, it looked like my X1 couldn't keep up with that high bitrate & resolution. I'd like more opinions, who else will test them!? (Tested with windows mobile media player).
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Look at my post (#31) here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=460294&page=4
especially this:
Jabe said:
2.) this one is the important one. Do not change screen resolution. Original file was 624x352 and when I set it to 800x like you suggested the playback was somewhat jerky when people were moving. So I set it to "no cnahge" and gained 2 things:
- output quality was far superior (i don't know about that if you choose smaller resolution, like converting HD to 800x)
- the conversion is much faster. before it took 1h10min, now it takes 45min. in other words, encoding speed went from 0.7x to 1.0x.
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I think we are talking about the same thing. I've noticed that increasing resolution does cause some problems. I use Media Panel for playing my videos.

I do use the Mediapanel as well, it might be imagination but I found it to be the best player regarding playback performance.
Upscaling a smaller source file in image size will worsen the quality massively. Think about how a codec works: upscaling means making the image look "soft" or "washed out". These soft or washed out images are then used by the codec to predict differencies and/or movements between the frames and then this data is used to render the subsequent frames. Since the whole image (being washed out) figuratively looks "all the same" (its just a soup of different unspecific colours) the codec has hardcore problems predicting movements between the single frames. Thus the prediction is bad, based on an already bad image, multiplies the bad effect onto every subsequent frame.

Display Driver Assist - Does it improve video ?
This is an interesting thread, please let me add my experience of converting and watching video on my Xperia.
Firstly this program DVD Catalyst won the top award for converting DVD to almost any format to any resolution, any bitrate.
Here is the URL : http://www.pocketdvd.ca/products/dvd catalyst 3.html
Here is the URL for SmartPhone Awards list for all the best in catagory software for video coversion for Pocket PC 2008.
http://www.smartphonemag.com/cms/awards/2008/winners_ppc_apps#CatDVD_Converters
If you download the trial of DVD Catalyst you can have 15 days of free fully functional DVD conversions, thats enough to convert almost anybodies collection. I do intend to buy this when I get round to it.
I experimineted with different formats and resolutions and here were my conclusions.
Format - Sony Media Panel seems to like the 3gp format best ( subjective )
Resolution - I use the maximum 800 X 480
Bitrate - 750 kbps though 500 is still very good.
Audio 128 kbps Stereo
All these options can easily be changed in the converter, you can set your PC Processor prioirty to high ( recommended) or highest if you not doing anything else and a complete 2 hour DVD, with high prioirty for processor will be converted and ready for copying to your X1 in about 35 - 40 mins.
Also I found my Xperia settings had an impact on video playback quality, none more so than Glyph cache, which I now have at 128kb.
I am currently experimenting with the " Display driver preloader " you can find on the thread by ell82...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=462346
In it he uses this file, libgles_cl.dll, copied into the windows directory, to add hardware acceleration to some 3D games. This as close as we have come so far in adding hardware acceleration across the board to all programs on the X1, obviously this needs some testing and benchmarking, something this thread is very good at.
This file does not replace any windows files, you can add it to WINDOWS folder and remove it at will, it doesn't hurt, over right or harm anything.
Im using it on and off, id like to see some hard data on it, it may not be the magic bullet we have all been waiting for, but it could be a move in the right direction.
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Mark A Cilenti said:
Format - Sony Media Panel seems to like the 3gp format best ( subjective )
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3GP is not a format, its only a container. The content, video wise, is either SP, ASP or AVC video (mostly, accepts a wide range of codecs though) and audio is AMR or AAC. In fact you don't follow the standard at all, your files are NOT 3GP COMPILANT. Since 3GP is just a simplified version of the MP4 container anyway, of which the latter is more versatile regarding possible content and resolution restrictions, I would definitely abandon 3GP and go for MP4. Of course with AVC video and a flavor of AAC audio.

Maybe noob question (I haven't got an sdhcmicro card so cannot test myself):
On my hx2790 tcpmp (ver 0.72, last version) always worked a treat on default 700-1500mb divx and xvids. You loaded lots of movies on a 8gb card and opened them with tcpmp. Some movies required AC3 sound and there was a plug in for that too. The movies played back 100% flawlessly.
Can we not just do this in the X1?

gold333 said:
Can we not just do this in the X1?
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no, not yet.

700mb dvd rips run fine in coreplayer, but for fast scenes it lags like hell

Here's what I do:
Open PocketDivXEncoder
Select the 'HD TV' option
Resize to 400xABC (maintain aspect ratio)
Video quality = 70
Audio = max
Coreplayer runs it flawlessly and looks great, even fast scenes.
Watched the first season of both Burn Notice and Merlin with no issues in action packed scenes

totally agreed with coreplayer ! really better than movie player in the XMB Panel !!!! you can find my thread here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3093597#post3093597
Don't know why it is so slow with the XMB Panel & so better in core player !
Core Player : reverserd enginered the chipset.... really difficult thing & to be really/fully optimized but it works better than the std XMB movie player !!!! (written by who ? sony developers or htc ? or together ?, they should buy corecodec ! )

dadeadman said:
700mb dvd rips run fine in coreplayer, but for fast scenes it lags like hell
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But tcpmp 0.72 doesn't? Tcpmp was the ultimate micro footprint everything player for mobile devices.

[REQ] xvid support hacked into WinMo media player

I have both TCPMP and divxmobile, but the performance is ghastly. For those of you who don't know, WMP has access to qualcomm hardware acceleration, allowing it to play mp4s incredibly well at a perfect framerate. Whereas my expansive xvid collection (something I transcoded to because I figured it would be standard and heavily supported ) from my HTPC play at around 5fps, if that.
I have no desire to transcode everything just to watch it on my TP2, so I get little use out it as a media player. So I'm wondering, have any hackers ever tried to add any codec support to the player? Being able to play my xvids with hardware acceleration, as not even CorePlayer can do, would be amazing.
I'd be willing to donate $10 after the fact if such a hack did in fact take advantage of hardware acceleration and played standard xvids properly.

HTC Videos vs RockPlayer

I just noticed for the first time that HTC Video supports AVI files. I have been using RockPlayer in Software mode with success, but it kills battery like crazy.
RockPlayer is smoother, but I wonder how HTC's battery use compares.
I will of course find out for myself, but I wonder what other people have experienced
SRS enhancement is a plus

how about vplayer

That will also be software based, so probably the same. The native player should be hardware mode, but is pretty choppy with standard "scene" video files. I'll do a test run this week to see how the battery usage compares

well the native player is hardware accelerated or at least it is for .mp4 with x254 video i havnt tried avi but i would assume that it would also be hardware accelerated or at least the renderer would be. alternative players are usless cause they dont support hardware on the adreno 205 yet

Hardware accelerated yes, but software players are still smoother!

just used "power tutor" to compare power used during one Simpson episode using two players.
According to "power tutor" the Internal video player used about half the power that RockPlayer did (with HW acc enabled)
Yes, I know this is not the perfect comparison.
The total power used should be measured, in case one offloads much more to the hardware than the other one.
An perfect comparison should be:
-boot
-radio off
-start measuring total power consumption
-play video for xx minutes
-stop measuring power consumption.

Guys, how do you manage to play xvid with built in video player?
When I put a video on my SD card, it appears in stock player but with no screenshot, only some weird small icon. Selecting the video does nothing at all.

Eddie1506 said:
Guys, how do you manage to play xvid with built in video player?.
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Who plays Xvid ? - the simpsons episodes are H264 with MPEG4 AAC audio -both preview & playback work fine.
what we need - is players like VLC, core-player or tcpmp for Android. - VLC - being open-source & up-to-date - would be absolutely best.

I think Vplayer.beta is the best so far however it doesn't allow me to change audio channels but it was a lot smoother than rock player when playing a dual audio track; also seems to eat battery life. otherwise rock player is great.

AlCapone said:
Who plays Xvid ? - the simpsons episodes are H264 with MPEG4 AAC audio -both preview & playback work fine.
what we need - is players like VLC, core-player or tcpmp for Android. - VLC - being open-source & up-to-date - would be absolutely best.
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Sorry, my bad

[Q] MP3 Player ROM for HTC HD2

I have an old Leo laying around and I was wondering if there is any ROM out there that would turn my phone into an mp3 player.

Probably best going with a very light WM6.5.5 build & then using native music player or one of a few music apps such as MortPlayer to name a free one.
Sticking with WM will give good battery life & ability handle music over BT, audio output jack etc ...

File Formats?
But the question is, does it play flac and other formats?

Pocket player & coreplayer do ...
coreplayer:
Audio Formats
MP3, MP2, AAC, MKA, WMA, Midi*, WAV, OGG, Speex, WAVPACK, TTA, FLAC, MPC, AMR, ADPCM, ALaw, MuLaw, G.729, GSM
Video Formats
H.264 (AVC), AVCHD, MKV, MPEG-1, MPEG-4 part 2 (ASP), DivX, XviD, WMV*, Theora*, Dirac*, MJPEG, MSVIDEO1
Image Formats
JPEG (420, 422, 440, EXIF Headers)*, BMP, GIF, PNG, TIFF, MJPEG
Container Formats
Flash/FLV, Matroska, ASF, ASX, AVI, PS, M2TS, TS, 3GPP, MOV, MPEG-4, OGM, NSV*
Streaming Formats
HTTP, UDP, UDP Multicast, UDP Unicast, RDP, RTP. RTSP, RTCP (keep alive), ASX, ASF, Multicast, HTTP Tunneling
pocketplayer:
Full music and video support: MP3, AAC, M4A, WMA, WMV, Ogg Vorbis, FLAC, and WAV!
Protected WMA support, u-Law, A-Law, AU, and ADPCM WAV (used in Voicemail attachments) playback
Podcast subscriptions auto-download new content to your device!
Media Browser menu system, with touch scrolling and gesture support!
Media Library auto-imports 1000+ tracks with ease, with support for all common metadata tags for all media formats, including lyrics and ratings!
10-band Equalizer and Preamp, with presets!
Universal Plug-and-Play (UPnP): browse and play content from your desktop!
Internet radio streaming support for Shoutcast (MP3), AAC (including aacPlus, HE-AAC v1, HE-AAC v2), Windows Media (MMS) stations
Web guide for Internet radio, MP3 blogs and podcasts, with pause, auto-resume and seek functionality!
Voicemail playback (WAV email attachments), integrates with your Inbox!
Visualizations and downloadable Album Art support
Full support for Windows Mobile 5, WM6 and Windows Mobile 6.5.3* Pocket PC and Smartphone (Professional/Standard)!
Support for Bluetooth stereo headphones (A2DP), buttons (AVRCP), and mono headsets (Audio Gateway)!
Skinnable (Pocket Player, WMP, and WinAmp WSZ skins) for all device resolutions with color change ability
Themed and skinned Today plugin on touchscreen devices
Reads tags such as ID3 (v1/v1.1/v2), MPEG-4, APE and ASF; scans device in background
Gapless playback with adjustable crossfading
Playlist manager, auto-generating smart playlists!
DSP Plugin support, including time stretch and Bass Boost
User-managed Bookmarks support; jump to a file and time
For Podcasts and audio books: bookmarks, "Seek to last position", Auto-resume
Hardware button mapping, button locking, one-handed navigation, including support for scroll wheels
Adjustable sleep timer, automatic screen shutoff function
portable apps attached so you can test them, just unzip & copy folder for app to storage card/program files & create shortcuts to program exe as required.
Probably best on internal memory actually in terms of battery life.
work fine on my wm6.5.5 energy rom, some HD2 owners on original roms had issues with Pocket player regardless of portable or cab install.

Well thanks for the info but I had installed android 2.3.7 on my phone. How am I supposed to install that windows ROM now?

Plenty of mp3 player support for android but I expect WM6 rom will give far better battery life & device life/stability & WM file structure is far more tidy than android making your music - media folders on storage card easy to maintain organise & browse if connect to share etc.
WM6 roms can be found in HD2 wiki along with WMDC to flash via PC.
If you go to WM6, I would try the Energy Reference ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/HTC_HD2#ROM_Development

OK, but how do I flash these roms over android. I've installed HSPL, Magldr and a custom recovery?

just plug it in to PC via usb & run the WM rom installer, it will flash the rom but your current HSPL will remain.
You could also flash a custom WM rom such as ->
energy http://www.mediafire.com/download/bhh47jlowm9zph6/Energy.Leo.23699.Sense2.5.Reference.Nov.24.7z
by putting the file on sd card & possibly using custom recovery or the good old fashioned way of boot to proper tri-color bootloader. using custom rom via SD will keep HSPL but if use full original rom it will remove current HSPL and possibly fail to flash if CID rom code does not match device.
If do via SD read post linked below>
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681317

Well thanks, I'll try it and let you know.

I find pocket player very good, you do need spend some time trying it though & adjusting settings as it quality software with many options unlike most of the android & iphone 5h1te of today.
I have the pocket player equalizer off & use the native HTC equalizer on custom setting & sound quality is superb on decent headphones & can shame most of the midrange modern junk.
Touch UI may not be the best on WM6.5.5 but it not bad & gets better with experience, same with Pocket Player, it may look visually dated but the actual software is proper quality ...

Why not use this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1867986 you then could have a light Android OS with the option of a good sat nav and a music player

I had put my HD2 away for a while now and thought I could use it as a mp3 (aux) for my car. Navigation is going to be a plus if it works.
Any suggestions for a good nav/maps app which can work with just gps and preloaded maps?