Seeing how Bepe's WM6.1 ROM requires HardSPL, does this mean all Polaris are CID locked?
Are there any issues when upgrading (like IPL/SPL problems on G3 vs G4 Wizards) that I should be aware of?
Thinking about getting a Polaris but just want to see what I'm getting myself into first. I personally have a G3 Wizard so I never really had to worry as much about bricking my phone.
If not all Polaris are CID locked, is there a way to tell if it is on the spot?
Also have some general questions on purchasing in the General Polaris forum here (600 for a LNIB Polaris Too good to be true?)
Polaris is not CID locked, basically.
If you buy a Polaris marked by a carrier (like O2 or Telecom) that should be CID locked, but where's the problem again? We have CID unlocker!
wonderiuy said:
Polaris is not CID locked, basically.
If you buy a Polaris marked by a carrier (like O2 or Telecom) that should be CID locked, but where's the problem again? We have CID unlocker!
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This is not true... Polaris is not SIM locked, basically.
But... all devices are CID-locked, until you use hard-SPL of course!
athanaso77 said:
This is not true... Polaris is not SIM locked, basically.
But... all devices are CID-locked, until you use hard-SPL of course!
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A few of us fortunate ones were able to get a pre-release Polaris which were not CID locked, but this was very limited quantities shipped to distributors for initial evaluations. The way to tell on the spot, as per your original questin is to invoke bootloader and read the SPL. Mine came with a MFG SPL, not a fixed version. It is highly unlikely that any unit bought from general retail woul be such a device, but that is how you would check it.
Excuse me mates, but he is asking about CID locked, not SIM locked.
CID = Carrier ID that means that if the phone is CID locked it is linked to a Carrier (ie Vodafone, Orange, etc etc) and you can use only that carrier's SIM
I bought my Polaris from Mediamarkt (they have tons of) and is NOT linked to any carrier (i can put whatever SIM form whatever carrier in it) so is CID unlocked.
We r saying the same things mates. I call CID what u call SIM.
Farewell
wonderiuy said:
Excuse me mates, but he is asking about CID locked, not SIM locked.
CID = Carrier ID that means that if the phone is CID locked it is linked to a Carrier (ie Vodafone, Orange, etc etc) and you can use only that carrier's SIM
I bought my Polaris from Mediamarkt (they have tons of) and is NOT linked to any carrier (i can put whatever SIM form whatever carrier in it) so is CID unlocked.
We r saying the same things mates. I call CID what u call SIM.
Farewell
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So basically, what's the difference between CID-Unlocker and Sim-Unlocker, because we have thoses 2 here?
Ther eis no difference, they r the same.
Really do we have a CID and a SIM unlocker?
I bet we have only 1
This is all utter bull****!
CID lock is completely different to a SIM lock. All devices coming from HTC are CID locked to prevent you from loading a non-genuine ROM onto the device. SIM lock has nothing to do with CID lock bud. My orbit 2 is CID but not SIM locked, it's not connected. But there are Polaris out there (no orbits/dopods but Touch Cruises) which are sold branded and SIM locked and of course, CID locked.
SIM is NOT the same as CID. It never was and will never be.
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So basically, what's the difference between CID-Unlocker and Sim-Unlocker, because we have thoses 2 here?
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There are devices which dont feature a SIM lock, they work with all SIMs out there on all networks. But they all are CID locked. Those devices can be unlocked to eat custom ROMs using the HardSPL. The HardSPL skips the check the original loader does when you try to load a ROM onto the device.
But there are devices which are supposed to be locked to the carrier you bought it from. Very much like the American iPhone: it's (well, it should be ) tied to AT&T and doesnt eat custom SIM cards. For that case Olipro created the second unlocker available, is a combined solution. Its the HardSPL (letting you flash a custom ROM) with a SIM-unlocker (which will let you use any SIM) strapped on top. Since I have a CID locked only device, I didnt look into the unlocker that deeply, but I don't even know if it features the function to leave the SPL alone and only SIM-unlock your device... But, to be brutally honest, who around xda-dev is interested in that
schaggo said:
This is all utter bull****!
CID lock is completely different to a SIM lock. ....
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Thanks mate...
I was a minute ahead to post the link to the explanations in the WIKI for wonderjuy (sorry, don't take it personal)
Oh no, my post wasnt meant in any offending way. But I'm quite sorry, its kind of hard to nicely explain it after so many very determined wrong statements of wonderjuy. But yeah, don't take it personal and the correct information can be found in the WIKI.
Seems that I used wrong words - so please:
Accept my apologize if I offended somebody!
wonderiuy said:
Ther eis no difference, they r the same.
Really do we have a CID and a SIM unlocker?
I bet we have only 1
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Don't bet because you will lose. Sorry... but you have messed things up and you are completely wrong!!!
YEs, sry all...there's always room for knowledge
Not a problem at all buddy, thats right. Theres always room for knowledge and thats in fact why we all gathered here at xda-developers.com
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I've just got my hands on a HTC3600/Trinity, but it currently has a Spanish version installed on it. I've read through the forums about re-flashing and downloaded a generic WWE version.
I've gone into the bootloader and typed info 2 as directed on another thread and it replies with: HTCS11111111Я©îHTCE
Does having the CID set to all 1's as above mean that it is already a supercid?
Thanks in Advance.
yes, that probably means it's already SuperCID... can u check the output of "task 32" command? Is this a preproduction device? Check also if there's any difference with SD card inserted and without it.
pof said:
yes, that probably means it's already SuperCID... can u check the output of "task 32" command? Is this a preproduction device? Check also if there's any difference with SD card inserted and without it.
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Cmd>task 32
Level = 0
I don't have a miniSD to hand so the slot is currently empty.
Not sure if its a preproduction device or not.. the only clue I might have is that the casing is completely unbranded, just a plain white shell.
I have got the same. this is supercid phone. Likely one of those that HTC sends to carriers for testing purposes.
>> unbranded casing.
ok. for sure DEMO unit sent to carriers by HTC.
Is there any other useful info I can give to anyone before I start trying to flash this?
Can you check your bootloader version?
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Can you check your bootloader version?
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SPL-1.05.1000
At least, I think thats the bootloader??
my first post ever...apologies in advance
If the Trinity was not purchased through a provider and has no afilliation with any provider, is it already CID unlocked? Feel free to call me a moron. I tried looking around, but can't seem to get this through my head properly.
Can someone educate me about this CID deal? What is CID and what difference does it make if its locked or unlocked?
I bought my phone on ebay, poped in a SIM card, and it worked. That means its unlocked?
yegor said:
Can someone educate me about this CID deal? What is CID and what difference does it make if its locked or unlocked?
I bought my phone on ebay, poped in a SIM card, and it worked. That means its unlocked?
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SIM lock: the phone will work only with a SIM from a certain operator. A phone that is not branded by an operator is never SIM-locked. So your phone is probably a standard HTC branded phone, it is not SIM-locked and you can use any SIM.
CID lock: the phone software can only be modified/upgraded with another version for the same CID. I think it stands for Country ID; this means that a phone with French Windows Mobile can only accept an upgrade of French Windows Mobile. It is probably required by Microsoft to license the software to OEMs to avoid piracy (I suppose). HTC uses the CID also to distinguish their various distribution channels, so a DOPOD branded device and an HTC branded device have different CIDs. A phone that is not locked to any country version or to any distribution channel has a SuperCID and will accept all WM software whatever the language, etc. Your phone is probably CID-locked.
auramae said:
If the Trinity was not purchased through a provider and has no afilliation with any provider, is it already CID unlocked? Feel free to call me a moron. I tried looking around, but can't seem to get this through my head properly.
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No, a standard HTC phone is CID-locked. See my previous message for details.
Hi all,
if i unlock CID it will break the warranty?
Is there any software to check SID lock...?
vdias said:
Is there any software to check SID lock...?
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Use MTTY (available via a link on the Trinity Wiki page) and follow the instructions on the wiki pages about going into bootloader.
Once you're connected and talking to the phone type, info 2. It will then respond with your CID.
[email protected] said:
Hi all,
if i unlock CID it will break the warranty?
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Most probably....
Just great... Just found out that mine is already a supercid one...
Sorry if this is asked constantly, i tried searching and couldn't see any threads about it.
Basically what i'm wanting to know is if it's possible to unlock a phone that's still locked to a specific carrier (eg, optus or telstra if you're in australia). is this what CID unlocking is?
If so, then i guess i can grab a hermes / jasjam from ebay that's selling for less because it's carrier locked, unlock it, and use it with my current sim card?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
You're definately new with a question like that
Basically CID unlocking allows you to flash a ROM from any carrier and use it.
SIM unlocking allows you to use any SIM card with your existing (or any other) ROM.
If all you want to do is use a stock phone with any carrier I suggest you use POF's CID and SIM unlocker http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_SimUnlock.
If you want to get better ROMS you'll need to do a whole pile more reading, and before flashing anything else start with Olipro's Hard-SPL 2.10 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296722 and Mrvanx's Upgrade Guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299462.
Other useful upgrade info can be found in this sticky http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=295751
mkerr said:
Sorry if this is asked constantly, i tried searching and couldn't see any threads about it.
Basically what i'm wanting to know is if it's possible to unlock a phone that's still locked to a specific carrier (eg, optus or telstra if you're in australia). is this what CID unlocking is?
If so, then i guess i can grab a hermes / jasjam from ebay that's selling for less because it's carrier locked, unlock it, and use it with my current sim card?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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so all i'd need to do, assuming i keep the stock rom, is to sim unlock it?
Yep, if you SIM unlock you can use the phone as supplied but with any carriers SIM card.
Oh yes, welcome to XDA-developers - I think if you read a bit more you will realise the benefits of the cooked ROMs here and later want to upgrade - it's highly addictive
mkerr said:
so all i'd need to do, assuming i keep the stock rom, is to sim unlock it?
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One further bit of advice if buying one of these phones from ebay - ask the seller for a picture of the phone when switched on so you can check it has a radio signal - also get him to confirm that it doesn't display NO GSM on the bottom right when it is booting. The NO GSM indicates a brick which may or may not be fixable by the tools we have here.
mkerr said:
Sorry if this is asked constantly, i tried searching and couldn't see any threads about it.
Basically what i'm wanting to know is if it's possible to unlock a phone that's still locked to a specific carrier (eg, optus or telstra if you're in australia). is this what CID unlocking is?
If so, then i guess i can grab a hermes / jasjam from ebay that's selling for less because it's carrier locked, unlock it, and use it with my current sim card?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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cheers for the reply
at the moment i've got an imate k-jam, and have been reading up about cooked roms etc, but didn't realise exactly what the unlocking involved (except that it let you play with the roms).
Sorry If this has been covered before I have searched but a million differnt threads each saying different things.
I understand to get custom roms onto the wizzard you need to be CID unlocked.
I have a tmobile mda vario/wizzard G4 (from what ive read its a G4 if your ipl/spl ends .0001)
Ive sucsessfully unlocked the simlock using lokiwiz and am looking at CID unlocking. From reading the forum it sounds like only imei check.co.uk can do the unlock however when i looked at the website i couldnt see any mention of the cid unlock. just want to check as i dont want to spend £20 to sim unlock a phone thats already unlocked.
assuming all is well and they do do the g4 cid unlock as part of the process, the fact that im already sim unlocked using lokiwiz shouldnt present any problems should it?
Thanks
funy said:
Sorry If this has been covered before I have searched but a million differnt threads each saying different things.
I understand to get custom roms onto the wizzard you need to be CID unlocked.
I have a tmobile mda vario/wizzard G4 (from what ive read its a G4 if your ipl/spl ends .0001)
Ive sucsessfully unlocked the simlock using lokiwiz and am looking at CID unlocking. From reading the forum it sounds like only imei check.co.uk can do the unlock however when i looked at the website i couldnt see any mention of the cid unlock. just want to check as i dont want to spend £20 to sim unlock a phone thats already unlocked.
assuming all is well and they do do the g4 cid unlock as part of the process, the fact that im already sim unlocked using lokiwiz shouldnt present any problems should it?
Thanks
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Yes imei-check.co.uk CID unlock your device as well. You can also use shelltool to update the OS on your CID locked G4 device, this is a free alternative. Before paying imei check you might want to confirm that your device is CID locked.
how can i confirm its locked?
thanks
funy said:
how can i confirm its locked?
thanks
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Check if your device is CID locked here.
Use SoftSPL or HardSPL to unlock.
I used HardSPL and can flash with huge amount of roms now..
Is calling or emailing in ATT to get a unlock code the same as CID unlocking? or would I need to hack my 8525 to CID unlock it so I can add Different ROMS???
When you instal HardSPL your device is CID unlocked. It means that you can flash any Rom to your device. However, it is still SIM locked. Fot that you need to go to the Hermes Upgrading Forum.
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Is calling or emailing in ATT to get a unlock code the same as CID unlocking? or would I need to hack my 8525 to CID unlock it so I can add Different ROMS???
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if all you want to do is add new roms, use HardSpl v7, its a sticky at the top of the hermes mobile 6 or hermes upgrading sub-forums.
it fools the program into thinking your super cid without actually being super cid.
anyone please correct me if i'm wrong.
I think this answerers my question and worry about just running my phone as is and upgrading later if I want.
I keep reading later 8525's are impossible to sim unlock once they have been turned on once, so I was leery of even running the phone as is... but now since I know I DON'T have to sim unlock it to flash roms then I'm not going to worry about the unchangeable radio rom.
Hey guys, please excuse my noobness, I have read thoroughly but I am still confused!
I have an O2 Orbit (ie Artemis) and I am going to the USA soon.
I've become a bit confused as to what I need to do to my Artemis to get it working with a prepay sim in the states.
I've seen the posts about cid unlocking, but I'm not sure if that's the same as a sim unlock, and I don't want to brick my phone!
I'm not too bothered about cooked roms etc, I have updated to WM6 and I'm reasonably happy with it, I just want to be able to use my phone in the USA.
Would someone be kind enough to take the time to explain what I need to do?
Thanks
I forgot to add, I tried this tutorial to perform a sim unlock:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400445
but unfortunately the 'artemis sim unlock' download link is broken
I think it should already work in the US. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that only phones bought in the US from a provider are SIM-locked. CID unlocking is only used to help you flash your phone to a different ROM, which, as you already mentioned, you are not interested in doing.
I see, so CID unlocking is nothing to do with what I want, I simply need a SIM unlock, assuming my phone is SIM locked.
SIM locking is normal practice for UK service providers, so I assume it is locked.
Is there any way I can tell if my phone is SIM locked, or do I have to test it by putting a SIM card from a different provider in it?