Just saw this & thought it I would share........It actually gives me some hope!
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/...ster-video-for-affected-devices-no-drivers-i/
It looks like I'll be keeping my Sprint Touch after all if they come through on their end.
I hope that this means those missing drivers were included after all an just not activated... if not, we're not going to see more than a marginal improvement. Could we just pay Qualcomm or something for the drivers individually?
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I hope that this means those missing drivers were included after all an just not activated... if not, we're not going to see more than a marginal improvement. Could we just pay Qualcomm or something for the drivers individually?
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From what Ive read though, HTC is saying that it had nothing to do with missing drivers.
Because it doesn't. There's no reason the phone shouldn't be able to play video correctly *right now* and anyone who's played with the various video modes of tcpmp can tell you that. In any mode other than DirectDraw, it plays perfectly. Forget about "drivers". If they're needed for hardware acceleration, swell, but the real problem is shoddy implementation of the DirectDraw interface. If they fix that, they've fixed the problem. Not that I expect HTC to fix anything, at least without breaking something else. I'm surprised those douchebags can find a door to get out of the house in the morning.
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From what Ive read though, HTC is saying that it had nothing to do with missing drivers.
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I know... which means that either the drivers were included all along or that we're not going to get the boost we're expecting
I'll believe it when I'm using it...
You know, I might actually email qualcomm and ask them if they'd offer those missing drivers to us for a price... Since the entire thing was a money issue and it will take months to write or reverse-engineer a custom driver, why not use the power of money?
Does anyone have an "in" at Qualcomm? *desperation*
Yeah, like other people, we were hoping the drivers would enable the ATI Imageon hardware acceleration in the devices which should theoretically boost performance all around the device, not just certain aspects.
These 'other drivers' that are supposedly getting released look more like a better cache system that for the OS level and no other improvements.
--James
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Because it doesn't. There's no reason the phone shouldn't be able to play video correctly *right now* and anyone who's played with the various video modes of tcpmp can tell you that. In any mode other than DirectDraw, it plays perfectly. Forget about "drivers". If they're needed for hardware acceleration, swell, but the real problem is shoddy implementation of the DirectDraw interface. If they fix that, they've fixed the problem. Not that I expect HTC to fix anything, at least without breaking something else. I'm surprised those douchebags can find a door to get out of the house in the morning.
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I just got my Touch Voque this week.. And running TCPMP I can play xvids no probs.. Whats the best fps to encode the vids too... I've done 15 & 25.. both seem pretty good.. but opting for 15fps to reduce work load as quality is more than accepable.. I'd say stunning
Another good read... Qualcomm's MSM7500 sales pitch!
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Another good read... Qualcomm's MSM7500 sales pitch!
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Good find. Here is the article in it's entirety quoted from the actual page. All credits go to the original author.
Publication: Modem User News
Publication Date: 01-SEP-05
Delivery: Immediate Online Access
Author:
Company: QUALCOMM CDMA Technologies; QUALCOMM Inc.
Full Article:
QUALCOMM Incorporated (NASDAQ:QCOM) has begun sampling the dual-CPU MSM7500 (Convergence Platform single-chip solution, enabling the first generation of converged devices that combine popular consumer electronics with the advanced power of CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Revision A networks. QUALCOMM's MSM7500 chipset will transform the wireless device into the ultimate personal multimedia experience, enabling devices from high-end PDAs and Smartphones to cost-effective wireless computers to portable video players, music centers, gaming consoles and more. With the processing capacity to match the high data-speed capabilities of Rev. A networks, the MSM7500 chipset creates new markets for the world's most popular consumer devices --including an 8.0 megapixel digital camera, camcorder-like video recorder, VGA resolution gaming, support for major audio and video formats, plus a dedicated applications processor to support the BREW solution and third- party operating systems -- with an integrated single-chipset solution.
"The MSM7500 chipset brings the industry's best personal media experience to wireless, enabling faster, widespread adoption of the high data-rate services that operators and consumers want," said Dr. Sanjay K. Jha, president of QUALCOMM CDMA Technologies. "By addressing historical performance issues -- power, display, speed, form-factor, network support and multimedia functionality -- the integrated architecture of the MSM7500 chipset provides OEMs with a solution that does not require separate chips or processors to deliver the next evolution in high-end multimedia."
The MSM7500 chipset boasts a power-efficient design with a dual-CPU architecture that integrates an ARM11 applications processor and an ARM9 modem processor to deliver the processing power required to run on-demand multimedia content over high-speed Rev. A networks. The MSM7500 chipset will:
* Deliver high-end multimedia with the integrated Launchpad suite and BREW support
* Support high-resolution VGA displays and TV-out to turn wireless handsets into personal media players and leverage the viewing experience of television monitors
* Provide a high-end gaming experience with an embedded ATI 3D graphics engine that further improves the user experience with 3D user interfaces
* Expand the Smartphone market with support for Linux and other third-party operating systems
* Provide support for wireless peripherals such as WiFi, Bluetooth, QUALCOMM's FLO solution, as well as popular broadcast standards
The MSM7500 chipset supports QUALCOMM's Launchpad suite of advanced multimedia, connectivity, position location, user interface and removable storage functionality, and QUALCOMM's BREW solution, which enables the download and monetization of advanced applications and content, allowing operators and OEMs to differentiate their products and services and increase revenues. QUALCOMM's chipsets are also compatible with the Java runtime environment (J2ME) which can be built entirely on the chipset as an extension to the BREW client.
QUALCOMM Incorporated develops and delivers digital wireless communications products and services based on the company's CDMA digital technology. Headquartered in San Diego, Calif., QUALCOMM is included in the S&P 500 Index and is a 2005 FORTUNE 500 company traded on The Nasdaq Stock Market under the ticker symbol QCOM.
QUALCOMM Incorporated can be found on the World Wide Web at http://www.qualcomm.com/
For more information, call 858/845-7571.
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Now wouldn't it be nice if our service providers actually provided us with all of those nice features?
the issue is that anything labeled as "supported" isn't something that the OEMs are forced to include. However, the ATi Imageon is an integrated component, it is present in every single MSM7500 and that is what puts both Qualcomm and HTC into hot class-action-lawsuit-flavored water. Computer Lemon Laws protect people from false advertising and most of them state that a device MUST function as advertised/promised at the time of purchase. Every single product spec sheet for an MSM7500 device states that the MSM7500 is inside. The MSM7500's specs include an ATi Imageon and unless specifically stated by HTC, the unit is sold with the assumption that all "EMBEDDED" and advertised features of it's included components are available at purchase. If advertised features are not enabled at the time of purchase, then that is false advertising which means we can sue HTC under most Lemon Laws in place today. If the HTC insider interview at wmexperts.com is true, HTC could possibly sue Qualcomm for trying to charge more for a the MSM7x00 chipset's built-in features.
The only reason why companies provide free updates is to keep from getting sued under state computer lemon laws.
March 10, still nothing.....
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March 10, still nothing.....
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Thanks sherlock.
where did the march 8th date come from anyways?
-mark
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that was meant to be read March 2008 although it does seem like March 8th being that the Mogul update was released on the 10th. Wish somebody could modify it for the Vogue and get the GPS working... Hopefully HTC will release a lot more for the Vogue very soon!
Related
A few months ago i did some research concerning the
Imageon 3200 graphics chip on the XDA II / MDA II.
There is virtually no information on the web, except
the product description at ATI's website, with is quite
sparse.
There is a way to register at the ATI website to get the
status of some kind of "developing partner". You give
some information about you and your company and they
decide, wheter you are in or you're out.
For my part I tried it out and was rejected.. so there is
no hope for me, to get the information, how to directly
address the Imageon 3200 or what features it features
(nice pun .
So my humble request is:
Please register at ATI and get that developer information.
At best you are a respected programmer from a even more
respected and well known company.
So finally the dream of kick-ass-lightning-fast (3d-)graphics
on your favourite little friend may come true...
yours
Farbgeist
updload to scene.org and get a free beer!
it dont really support 3d acceleration but if you find the api it should speed things up all the same
http://techzone.pcvsconsole.com/news.php?tzd=1580
The problem is this api, i won't get access to and
yes, it is possible it supports rudimentary 3d:
quote from http://techzone.pcvsconsole.com/news.php?tzd=1580 :
"IMAGEON 3200 also includes advanced features such as alpha blending, object rotation, and Gouraud shading"
this is almost identical to the press release text, that was to be found at ati's site.
Still i do not have any information on how to directly access the imageon 3200 graphics chip abilities...
so i guess it all comes down to
if you can reg maybe you can if you ask them
or if a
respected programmer from a even more
respected and well known company got hold of it and are distributing it agenst ati wishes, which i suppose would make them a bit less respected
pocketmpv have an option which optimize with the ati chip
and i'm not sure how respected ati think they are but their software i believe is opensource so maybe you should look for their code
or conclude that respected is in the eye of the beholder
Check it out:
HTC Says Software Fix is Coming For Lousy Video Drivers
Is this real? I know it is only a software/driver fix, but it is better than not...
rumors, rumors and more rumors.
There are countless rumors for and against this claim. No one here knows for sure.
It looks to me like this thread will be yet another source of baseless rumors...
EDIT: Ah, that was supposed to be a link. Perhaps post the correct link to the article you are referring to, and we can discuss that. Right now, the link is http://HTC Says Software Fix is Coming For Lousy Video Drivers, which is obviously not a proper URL.
Dishe said:
rumors, rumors and more rumors.
There are countless rumors for and against this claim. No one here knows for sure.
It looks to me like this thread will be yet another source of baseless rumors...
EDIT: Ah, that was supposed to be a link. Perhaps post the correct link to the article you are referring to, and we can discuss that. Right now, the link is http://HTC Says Software Fix is Coming For Lousy Video Drivers, which is obviously not a proper URL.
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Fixed... Here is the meat:
Some of our top engineers have investigated video performance on our devices and have discovered a fix that they claim will dramatically improve performance for common on-screen tasks like scrolling and the like. Their fix would help most of our recent touch-screen products including the Touch family of devices and TYTN II / Tilt, Mogul / XV6900. The update is in testing and we hope to release it soon. However this fix is not a new video driver to utilize hardware acceleration; it is a software optimization. Video drivers are a much more complicated issue that involves companies and engineers beyond HTC alone. We do not want to lead anyone to believe they should expect these. To explain why we are not releasing video acceleration instead of the optimization I offer you our official statement... "HTC DOES plan to offer software upgrades that will increase feature functionality, over the air wireless speeds and other enhancements for some of the phones being criticized, but we do not anticipate including any additional support for the video acceleration issues cited in customer complaints. It is important for customers to understand that bringing this functionality to market is not a trivial driver update and requires extensive software development and time. HTC will utilize hardware video acceleration like the ATI Imageon in many upcoming products. Our users have made it clear that they expect our products to offer an improved visual experience, and we have included this feedback into planning and development of future products. To address lingering questions about HTC's current MSM 7xxx devices, it is important to establish that a chipset like an MSM7xxx is a platform with a vast multitude of features that enable a wide range of devices with varied functionality. It is common that devices built on platforms like Qualcomm's will not enable every feature or function. In addition to making sure the required hardware is present, unlocking extended capabilities of chipsets like the MSM 7xxx requires in-depth and time consuming software development, complicated licensing negotiations, potential intellectual property negotiations, added licensing fees, and in the case of devices that are sold through operators, the desire of the operator to include the additional functionality. To make an informed decision about which handset suits them best, consumers should look at the product specification itself instead of using the underlying chipset specifications to define what the product could potentially become."
I was at this conference. Take a look at what is inside the Mogul, Vogue, etc (aka Convergennce platform) chipset: (The second half talks about the graphics capabilities)
http://brew.qualcomm.com/brew_bnry/pdf/events/brew_2005/t202_ligon_qualcomm.pdf
It is difficult to be angy at HTC, as just about every HW vendor does this: The retail channels and the manufacturers want product diversity, but Qualcomm can't design all that many chips (a full chip design is expenive), nor can they build a wide diversity of fab plants so they just disable parts or leave out drivers.
The question that no one can answer due to NDA's is who exactly is holding them back? I.e. it may be that Qualcomm didn't license the accelerator for this part from ATI or that HTC didn't license the rights to from Qualcomm.
Either way, a gdi/direct draw driver for the basics is not a massive undertaking. We aren't asking for DirectX 10 suport.
awandkk said:
To make an informed decision about which handset suits them best, consumers should look at the product specification itself instead of using the underlying chipset specifications to define what the product could potentially become."
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Here is the thing.... when I looked at what specs were available to me when I bought my Mogul, they looked better than my Wing. I expected better video performance than a 2 year old phone. What they said sounds like back peddling.
Sounds to me like all they are going to do is a quick software optimization which they will call a video fix, when in reality, it has nothing to do with the video hardware inside the device.
They are just releasing this and calling it a "video fix" to get all the people like us who want full functionality to shut the .... up about it.
We has given up?
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We has given up?
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Most likely. One of those "believe it when you see it".
that pdf is such a teaser so my phone is as powerful as ps2 and i cant use it thats just messed up and you know all the hardware their cause its integrated.This sucks cause i never play games cause they always play horrible. htc is so responsible for the iphone gui blowing away any other phones.
Hi!
I've been trying to find any documentation on Snapdragon's DSP and hardware based video and audio decoders. So far, nothing. I'm just thinking if it would be possible to cook the support into custom ROM as it is quite ridiculous that decoding something like MP3 or AAC takes any CPU time at all, as according to Qualcomm's web site Snapdragon has hardware support for decoding MP3, AAC and H.264. I take it Qualcomm only provides the documentation to partners, as it is impossible to find?
Hopefully full support for hardware acceleration comes with WM7, if it can not implemented on 6.5. Should be doable with custom driver (in kernel mode) anyway by cooking, provided the documentation is leaked or something.
Mikko.
It's not possible to have the SnapDragon documentation because Qualcomm will never release it.
It's possible instead to have the missing SnapDragon drivers for Linux or I hope for Windows CE only when a QSD based smartbook that will have these drivers will be out.
With Windows Mobile 7 it's a whole new story, new CE7 kernel and support for all the new ARM instructions. I hope that we'll get that things and soon
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It's not possible to have the SnapDragon documentation because Qualcomm will never release it.
It's possible instead to have the missing SnapDragon drivers for Linux or I hope for Windows CE only when a QSD based smartbook that will have these drivers will be out.
With Windows Mobile 7 it's a whole new story, new CE7 kernel and support for all the new ARM instructions. I hope that we'll get that things and soon
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That's a waste of potential, but we can only wait (or not? )
you Cant really expect qualcomm to release documents on its IP.
but it would be nice if they and htc worked together to release a dev sdk.
if they are serious about developing the platform then its a step they really do need to make.
if samsung can get a sdk out for the omnia ii then it seems sensible to think htc need to play catchup.. the chipset does have potential,and it appears qualcomm are becoming more dev friendly.
look at what southend have achieved with some decent support from QC..
documentation?
Qualcomm should be giving documentation to ISVs its just a matter of it falling in the wrong(or right) hands. In the meantime, Snapdragon uses ARM Cortex-A9 core and you can find more details here:
http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARMCortex-A9_MPCore.html
Not sure if that includes DSP.
My acer s200 has support for H.263, H.264 out the box =]
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Qualcomm should be giving documentation to ISVs its just a matter of it falling in the wrong(or right) hands. In the meantime, Snapdragon uses ARM Cortex-A9 core and you can find more details here:
http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARMCortex-A9_MPCore.html
Not sure if that includes DSP.
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Snapdragon is Cortex A8 based and yes it does have DSP
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Snapdragon is Cortex A8 based and yes it does have DSP
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Do you know are the hardware multimedia decoders really silicon or SIMD/DSP based? From the QC's documentation you get the feeling they are ASIC stuff, but it might be marketing and in reality they are IP cores.
Mikko.
mikolas said:
Do you know are the hardware multimedia decoders really silicon or SIMD/DSP based? From the QC's documentation you get the feeling they are ASIC stuff, but it might be marketing and in reality they are IP cores.
Mikko.
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Nope, don't know that
does the gpu of hd2 is powerful enough to handle directx 9 announced as requirement for wp7
I was wondering the same thing the other day and couldn't find any official spec sheets. I asked over in one of the threads in the WP7s forums and I got the idea that OpenGL ES 2.0 was supported, which was 'basically the same.'
does any one know any useful info
http://brew.qualcomm.com/brew_bnry/pdf/brew_2007/Tech-303_Ligon.pdf
See page 15 for the best tech specs I've seen on the snapdragon / z430 / ATI LT. Still very light on details but claims direct3d sm3 support.
For that specific chipset (MSM7850) they claim DX9 support on page 31.
Their old chip (7500) supports DX7.
Since that was 2007, we can presume they've maintained similar compatibility in their newer (8250) chipset, yes?
Missed that bit, now all we need is a driver </sarcasm> for the humour impaired.
[sarcasm]obviously MS is aiming really high this time..
DX9 compatible portable devices, that use huge amounts of power so they can do what?
render a load of bloody text!
whoopppeee !
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so tje final answer is that hd2 gpu is enough for directx 9 or what?
The only correct answer to anything around here is, that noone knows nothing at all!
We can't run DX9 on WMPS7 so what ever?!
Before everyone freaks out, about fckn WMPS7, why not wait until you really see something?
Actually all the previews by microsoft were pretty ****ty! The phones worked pretty slow, I dont like that "hub" thing, and they are limited to the ground!
Thats what I would call "YaI" -> Yet another Iphone...
I'm loving WM6 and the only OS I'll be switching to, if WM6 dies (what i dont think, cuz there are more programmers who like WM6) will be android, but not another limited bull**** os
VisualD said:
http://brew.qualcomm.com/brew_bnry/pdf/brew_2007/Tech-303_Ligon.pdf
See page 15 for the best tech specs I've seen on the snapdragon / z430 / ATI LT. Still very light on details but claims direct3d sm3 support.
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after reading i think it supports it
It was only a matter of time before AMD followed Nvidia's lead and finally jumped onto the Android bandwagon, as the company is now recruiting engineers to create chipset drivers for Android. According to unnamed sources, the nation's second largest CPU manufacturer is now looking to offer notebook and tablet partners chipset solutions supporting Google's popular mobile platform.
"The Linux Base Graphics team is looking for Android Driver Development engineers to help us evolve our driver stack for new platforms and in line with the development trends in the Android ecosystem," reads the job description. "Experience with video decode acceleration within the Android web browser or video player application would be an asset. Experience with webm and/or OpenMax would be a bonus."
The company confirmed its interest in Android during an interview back in mid-March. Neal Robison, senior director of content and application support at AMD, indicated that offering support for Google's mobile platform makes a lot of sense for the company. "That is something we will be investigating as we take our Fusion architecture [into new markets] and we are able to create versions of this architecture for lower power environments that would work quite well for, perhaps, a tablet using this operating system."
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Full article @ http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Brazos-Llano-APU-AMD-Fusion-Google-Android,12548.html
Funny because the other week I speculated this
Does AMD even have an ARM CPU? Or can Android run on x86?
It's good ATI will come to Android.
I just ordered a lot of ati gear. Great was my surprise to receive it in hp boxes. So basically hp is creating phones?
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I just ordered a lot of ati gear. Great was my surprise to receive it in hp boxes. So basically hp is creating phones?
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HP is WebOs but they aren't apart of AMD. They're just buyers of AMD/ATI products and embed them within their systems.
good news for us
hopefully this time they actually make the drivers open source
last time i purchased an AMD/ATI based Windows Phone, it was a disaster, no drivers, so the GPU was wasted
AllGamer said:
good news for us
hopefully this time they actually make the drivers open source
last time i purchased an AMD/ATI based Windows Phone, it was a disaster, no drivers, so the GPU was wasted
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blame it on Microsoft they'll have to release source to comply with android. Otherwise they will be in trouble.
Who knows? Nexus 4 could feature amd. Amd definitely have a lot of work to do to catch up to its competitors.
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a company who open the specs to some of their products
imagine they open the specs to the CPU, GPU, Sound Processor, WiFi, radio.... you know the rest and a Google Experience device... maaan
I WANT!
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It's good ATI will come to Android.
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All the Qualcomm CPUs use Adreno GPUs, which is a rehashed ATI product. ATI used to own Imageon.
Hopefully this will lead to cheaper phones too....like the six core they have for like 200
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Intel also jumped on the bandwagon and is reportedly going to use its atom cpu.
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