Hi guys, there are more news on the HTC shift, it has been official presented on the 28th in Taiwan by HTC. This is the official retail package and it's 100% what you will get in retail store.
Here is a link for some picture: http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=224&t=508252&last=4825702
For those people who can't see the picture, see my attachment of how to show the picture.
My HTC contact was there and he has tested the device, i specific ask him to test on phone and gps function, he report back saying that there is 100% no phone and GPS inside the Shift.
I know a lot of people will say they seen photo of GPS or phone, but that me remind you this, this is the latest official retail version, all device before are prototype. Yes, i have also seen the picture on FCC website showing there is GPS inside, that's the reason I asked my friend to test it! And let me say this again, there will be no GPS or Phone out of the box.
Our hope will be for the developers here in XDA to crack the function to enable full windows mobile, phone, and GPS.
p.s. Another news i got from my friend, HTC is saying the SD slot will only support up to 2GB.
can you getem?
Hi Wu, how are you doing, just wondering like you got me my Dopod, can you get hold of a shift for me? Thanks Dude
faisal.husain said:
Hi Wu, how are you doing, just wondering like you got me my Dopod, can you get hold of a shift for me? Thanks Dude
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Hi Faisal, i am fine thank you. I hope you are doing well too.
Yes i can get the Shift for you, it's currently on pre-order and the device will be available on the 4th of Feb. Price is a bit lower then anywhere else and you will get bonus with it such as GPS and extra battery....etc.
If you are interesting in getting one, please PM me and we can discuss more there !
Hmm.. i´m ordered a sample from our german distributor but now i´m thinking about to cancel the order. We thinking long time ago about a integration of the shift in our company network for our VIP customers. But without gps, without Mobile and without LAN (or can i install Windows over netboot over WLAN??) i should search better for a other solution. there is not really a innovation inside. maybe the better solution with same features is a Toshiba Portégé R400 Series laptop..
but we will see the next on cebit i hope. maybe a other manufactor. we support htc from scratch with their first devices. after over 7000 devices and the problems within it´s time to test a other manufacor i think. maybe asus, samsung
Pre-Order all gone
Please do not ask me any more for HTC Shift, all the 200 unit for pre-order is gone already, first shipment will be on the 4th of Feb, if there is any more stock available, i will let you all know asap.
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Hmm.. i´m ordered a sample from our german distributor but now i´m thinking about to cancel the order. We thinking long time ago about a integration of the shift in our company network for our VIP customers. But without gps, without Mobile and without LAN (or can i install Windows over netboot over WLAN??) i should search better for a other solution. there is not really a innovation inside. maybe the better solution with same features is a Toshiba Portégé R400 Series laptop..
but we will see the next on cebit i hope. maybe a other manufactor. we support htc from scratch with their first devices. after over 7000 devices and the problems within it´s time to test a other manufacor i think. maybe asus, samsung
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weird comment .. I don't see any device being a half of what the Shift is ... and even without GPS, without Phone, without LAN and without full WM6 .. the shift is still the best device on the market for my needs.
WLAN will replace LAN over the time.. so I don't think it is a big mistake, but it could have been great
GPS "should" be in the SHIFT but not in WM6 (GPS in Vista).. but the choice is not perfect (who whant a GPS that is working only 2 hours..)
The Shift is not the perfect device, for everyone, but we have to see the real potential of the shift before crying for any lack of feature.
HTC has announced a "shift" like device with 5" .. maybe it will have GPS, Phone, etc.. we will see
weird - yes of course.. ;-)
i´m think it´s a new strategy of HTC to make devices without completly knows features.
maybe, LAN is only for Enterprise Customers like us with over 200tsd Users worldwide interesting, (automatic Software distribution) but Phone Functionality is interesting some more users. Is not really practicable with a 7" Device, but with BT Headset and Speak Control - why not. GPS is only a nice Addon for freaks like me, they travel around the world.
But overall: you´re need really a device like this? (i call that "the innovation factor" inside ;-)
But it´s really needed? Sometimes i think about Asus EEE PC, there a many Websites with modding this mini laptop, it´s crazy. when i have a look to this modding sites I see one:
they have much fun with modding her cheap Asus EEE Laptop.
But after 6 Years with HTC devices in all colors I ask me sometimes:
where is the fun - as i start with it..
;-)
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weird - yes of course.. ;-)
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But overall: you´re need really a device like this? (i call that "the innovation factor" inside ;-)
But it´s really needed? Sometimes i think about Asus EEE PC, there a many Websites with modding this mini laptop, it´s crazy.
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Well well well .. yeah I really need a device like this. I hate laptop (it's almost like bringing my desktop tower ...) because it's too big for me (even 11" ones). The shift has the perfect size for being a good laptop to use everywhere (including when travelling, when being on the bed, ...).
A laptot is not silent at all... mine is making too much noise.. almost the same as my desktop ! And it's warm.. warm... too warm ! I can't keep it on my knees more than 10 minutes ... WAW ! Totally useless to have a laptop.
The shift is quite, cold (not warm I mean ) and I can put it in my pocket (yeah I can... really ... I can ! .. have I tried... not yet.. but I have look the size and it fits well in my pocket... yeah.. really !).
I have bought an HTC Touch to work without any computer with me ... and .. ouch.. impossible to work with the Touch ! No real application on Windows Mobile .... Mobile Office? NOOOO it's too horrible ! On the shift I can use Windows Vista to work .. mmh so nice !
And what about the size .. 40Go is enough to work everywhere I want .. i can plug a VGA cable to my TFT to have a real screen .. and I can do this in so many room (I'm a student, so believe me... I do see a lot of monitor that just want to put their VGA cable in something !).
The only thing that can be bad was the keyboard, but I have tried it.. and WAW it worked well ! Not as well as my own Logitech Media Keyboard with about 80 words per minute... but I can type about 60 words per minute... enough when I'm not @ home.
I do believe the shift is the only solution for me right now, and I'm waiting a little to see all the real features available on the "retail" shift.. but I have great hopes in it !
Supposedly the Shift has the Qualcomm MSM 7200 chipset in it which has voice and gps built in. I can not see them "removing" that from the chipset. It's just a matter of time before this device get's "unlocked" to it's fullest potential.
I still do not see the marketing strategy of HTC leaving these features "out"... You would think that every device you release you would want to sell the hell out of it no? Are they that cocky that they believe they will be around forever to keep selling up their products to us?
i.e. Model Shift II including GPS!!! More money!!!
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Supposedly the Shift has the Qualcomm MSM 7200 chipset in it which has voice and gps built in. I can not see them "removing" that from the chipset. It's just a matter of time before this device get's "unlocked" to it's fullest potential.
I still do not see the marketing strategy of HTC leaving these features "out"... You would think that every device you release you would want to sell the hell out of it no? Are they that cocky that they believe they will be around forever to keep selling up their products to us?
i.e. Model Shift II including GPS!!! More money!!!
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hard to know... but it's sure that the strategy seems completely wrong .... maybe they want us to buy a Phone and a GPS ... but it's not the right choice.... many people will not buy a HTC device because of it...
It is an odd strategy but not the first time they've done this stuff. Still I think most people who are inclined to buy Windows Mobile devices usually research them. A WinMo device is alot more advanced than your cpl hundred dollar nokias, I think when people are spending over $500 on a phone they are pretty inclined to do some research.
With that said im pretty sure HTC know if they release a shift w/o GPS or phone enabled, good people here can hack it and enable (remember the P3600) and then its on the users onus if things mess up. Actually sounds like a good strategy when you think about it, they only have to meet target "X" in terms of standards for "X" features. If end users decide to try activating features "Y" then they do so at their own risk...
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It is an odd strategy but not the first time they've done this stuff. Still I think most people who are inclined to buy Windows Mobile devices usually research them. A WinMo device is alot more advanced than your cpl hundred dollar nokias, I think when people are spending over $500 on a phone they are pretty inclined to do some research.
With that said im pretty sure HTC know if they release a shift w/o GPS or phone enabled, good people here can hack it and enable (remember the P3600) and then its on the users onus if things mess up. Actually sounds like a good strategy when you think about it, they only have to meet target "X" in terms of standards for "X" features. If end users decide to try activating features "Y" then they do so at their own risk...
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i don't think it's smart.. because about 50% of intersted people will not buy the shift only because of missing GPS and Phone.
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I leave my htc shift at home. I found that its quite A HANDICAPPED device. Windows mobile is useless as the ram is so tiny. After liberating it and putting just a few software it runs out of memory. I cannot access the SD card. Although some guys here are trying, this should have been the job of HTC. Those HTC programmers are truly sleeping or simply lacking in talent. To have Vista on this device is a joke. Why can't they learn from OQO or Asus EE where they realize the user experience is better with XP on such a small device.
Lastly the battery life is so short. There is no extended battery. Even if there is, the weight will increase to 950gm. 100 grams more will get me a Sony TZ 18GN which last for at least 8 hours, on a big screen. HTC should not have sold this product as this has tarnished their reputation. Most of the retail shops tell me if u want a good machine buy a Sony. If u want a cheap machine buy the Asus. Forget about HTC SHift. This is a pure waste of money.
I was conned into buying this from the video presentation by Hugo on youtube.com Don't believe that guy anymore. No drivers for XP, lousy windows mobile, lousy support.... can we have dopod back. At least they gave us lots of free software and good support for my Dopod U1000
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I leave my htc shift at home. I found that its quite A HANDICAPPED device. Windows mobile is useless as the ram is so tiny. After liberating it and putting just a few software it runs out of memory. I cannot access the SD card. Although some guys here are trying, this should have been the job of HTC. Those HTC programmers are truly sleeping or simply lacking in talent. To have Vista on this device is a joke. Why can't they learn from OQO or Asus EE where they realize the user experience is better with XP on such a small device.
Lastly the battery life is so short. There is no extended battery. Even if there is, the weight will increase to 950gm. 100 grams more will get me a Sony TZ 18GN which last for at least 8 hours, on a big screen. HTC should not have sold this product as this has tarnished their reputation. Most of the retail shops tell me if u want a good machine buy a Sony. If u want a cheap machine buy the Asus. Forget about HTC SHift. This is a pure waste of money.
I was conned into buying this from the video presentation by Hugo on youtube.com Don't believe that guy anymore. No drivers for XP, lousy windows mobile, lousy support.... can we have dopod back. At least they gave us lots of free software and good support for my Dopod U1000
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I think you end up with this because you haven't done enough research. All your points are well known issue but certainly there are quite a few advantage that no other device have. That's why there are people happy with this device. EEE doesn't suit everyone's need, same as sony, same as Shift, don't blame Hugo for this, it's your own mistake not to do research and think whether this device suits you.
Lastly, don't blame HTC too, and bring back DOPOD won't help at all, you should do some research about dopod and HTC too, they are not separate company, dopod=HTC.
Hi wu5262,
yes, I agree with your points. Everything was known or could be known. But there is one thing I find unbelievable. It is the arrogance or sheer stupidity how HTC treats its costumers. The support is lousy, more than lousy. I have sent them 3 emails, but I do not get any answer.
That they treat us like idiots is beyond me, as they should be aware that this arrogance might spread over the net and might lash back hitting a dent in their reputation if there is any reputation to lose when it comes to consumer support.
S.
greatestkelvin said:
I leave my htc shift at home. I found that its quite A HANDICAPPED device. Windows mobile is useless as the ram is so tiny. After liberating it and putting just a few software it runs out of memory. I cannot access the SD card. Although some guys here are trying, this should have been the job of HTC. Those HTC programmers are truly sleeping or simply lacking in talent. To have Vista on this device is a joke. Why can't they learn from OQO or Asus EE where they realize the user experience is better with XP on such a small device.
Lastly the battery life is so short. There is no extended battery. Even if there is, the weight will increase to 950gm. 100 grams more will get me a Sony TZ 18GN which last for at least 8 hours, on a big screen. HTC should not have sold this product as this has tarnished their reputation. Most of the retail shops tell me if u want a good machine buy a Sony. If u want a cheap machine buy the Asus. Forget about HTC SHift. This is a pure waste of money.
I was conned into buying this from the video presentation by Hugo on youtube.com Don't believe that guy anymore. No drivers for XP, lousy windows mobile, lousy support.... can we have dopod back. At least they gave us lots of free software and good support for my Dopod U1000
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I really disagree your point of view about Vista.. Vista is the best OS I know... and it's the best solution for them to put Vista on it.
Sure the lack of ram is really sad (but it's still better than the HTC TOUCH because of the better CPU).
Settembrini said:
Hi wu5262,
yes, I agree with your points. Everything was known or could be known. But there is one thing I find unbelievable. It is the arrogance or sheer stupidity how HTC treats its costumers. The support is lousy, more than lousy. I have sent them 3 emails, but I do not get any answer.
That they treat us like idiots is beyond me, as they should be aware that this arrogance might spread over the net and might lash back hitting a dent in their reputation if there is any reputation to lose when it comes to consumer support.
S.
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yeah sure... a year after the demonstration .... they should have a "good" support.
I think that HTC is lacking knowledges about support.... I have sent them a mail for 2 big issues I have with the HTC TOUCH and never get any answer
They'll send you a customer feedback email soon,asking what you thought of their service. Ironic, considering therell be no service to speak of!!
greatestkelvin said:
I leave my htc shift at home. I found that its quite A HANDICAPPED device. Windows mobile is useless as the ram is so tiny. After liberating it and putting just a few software it runs out of memory. I cannot access the SD card. Although some guys here are trying, this should have been the job of HTC. Those HTC programmers are truly sleeping or simply lacking in talent. To have Vista on this device is a joke. Why can't they learn from OQO or Asus EE where they realize the user experience is better with XP on such a small device.
Lastly the battery life is so short. There is no extended battery. Even if there is, the weight will increase to 950gm. 100 grams more will get me a Sony TZ 18GN which last for at least 8 hours, on a big screen. HTC should not have sold this product as this has tarnished their reputation. Most of the retail shops tell me if u want a good machine buy a Sony. If u want a cheap machine buy the Asus. Forget about HTC SHift. This is a pure waste of money.
I was conned into buying this from the video presentation by Hugo on youtube.com Don't believe that guy anymore. No drivers for XP, lousy windows mobile, lousy support.... can we have dopod back. At least they gave us lots of free software and good support for my Dopod U1000
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At least I have to agree with some parts of your oppinion.
Yes, we have to face the trouth: what you get for your money is a crippled pocket pc and a limited pc. Both parts, pocket pc as well as the pc part doesn't meet the today's specifications for mobile computing.
Sure, it's sad. I also longed for this device, but after studing the forum and all the problems I also decided not to buy the shift.
Don't misunderstand me:
!!!!!!!! The idea of the shift is great !!!!!!!
Hope, they (HTC) will soon launch a product which is worth the money and will have the functionality of the today's needs.
Well, integrated GPS is nice and windows xp would also be fine for me. Why don't they let the customer choose?
I will be the first who will buy.
i must say that Sangri-la is fantastic! for many many features. esthetic, tecnique portability, display. i'm enthusiastic about it.
but there some issues that almost make to hate this jewel.
1 snapview and not winmo
2 blocked sd
3 very limited ram
4 no gps
5 no phone (i know that the device is not compliant with comfort etcetc) but some call with an auricolar..
6 no bluetooth and no wi-fi!! why why why!!
7 only 1gb of ram!! i love vista, i use it on all my pc's and laptop, but is a very bulls###t to put an os with this weight on a machine like shift
8 no cd, no driver to make an individual installation of many versions of os
and i think some others things.
but the reality is that this machine is marvelous.
htc made some big mistakes with it.
but i waited since the presentation in the start of 2007,
and now that i bought it with my work, with the sweat of my front
Shift became my mate and inseparable from me.
is fantastic, usefull, little, comfortable.
now i'm writing while i'm traveling.
shift is not perfect, but all of us who can say to be perfect?
I LOVE my Shift - maybe because i bought a Tiny VISTA PC, not a big WindowsMobile Device.
Why is the shift shipped with Vista?? Well, remember: Microsoft will stop shipping XP in June. Yeah, there are ways arround (Vista with XP downgrade rights) - but as the Shift is not a low cost device, it can't participate in Microsofts new XP for lowcost devices approach.
Regarding the WindowsMobile part: BLAME DUALCOR! They patented the idea of a DualCore-Subnotebook - HTC had no other choice to design the Shift arround their patents. THIS is the main reason for the extremly limited WindowsMobile Part (remember: They sell you SnapVUE, not WindowsMobile, and yeeeeees, i know that SnapVUE is a crapped down WindowsMobile flavour).
The only thing i'd blame HTC for is the bad support - it was really hard to get SP1 running correctly (well, nearly correctly).
i love my shift and do not want to miss it anymore....
sure, it has a few points (already mentioned) which could be improved. but i replaced a notebook with this device - and with snapvue the battery lasts longer..
I think what we all agree on is that the shift is not perfect.
But many of us, myself included think that it is the best solution out there.
If someone stole my shift and replaced it with the cash equivelent, I'd be straight out to the shops to buy another one.
I love my Shift!
The Shift is the best PC/PPC I have had in my life.
There are some problems (SD-Card, 3G-Connection is slowly),
but I can take it every day with me. And this is for me very importend.
Bevore the Shift was coming I was going with Ameo (Advantage) and with my Thinkpad T60p. This was a big bagage for every day.
Now I take my Shift and all is good.
I think that some updates will help in the next furture to solve the problems.
with best wishes
Sylvia
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i must say that Sangri-la is fantastic! for many many features. esthetic, tecnique portability, display. i'm enthusiastic about it.
but there some issues that almost make to hate this jewel.
6 no bluetooth and no wi-fi!! why why why!!
7 only 1gb of ram!! i love vista, i use it on all my pc's and laptop, but is a very bulls###t to put an os with this weight on a machine like shift
8 no cd, no driver to make an individual installation of many versions of os
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My SHIFT has both Bluetooth and WiFi, not in WM but in Vista (where I want it).
I too would like 2GB, but I've been able to run all Office Plus apps (especially OneNote) without any major issues. I don't open or leave open a bunch of windows, device ISN'T a full fledged notebook so I don't treat it as one.
I agree with the lack of drivers issue, but HTC isn't exactly known for their stellar support. We should start some blog, website about the poor support in order to put a bigger public face on it.
My BIG complaint is the lack of backlighting for the keyboard, unless I missed how to enable it.
the keyboard is wonderful .. and there exist usb-light if you want to lighten up (enlighten?) the keyboard.
Vista has 2 virtual/visual keyboards... so even with no backlight, it's not that important to have the light.
are you using the shift in the dark to write a text? If yes, it's not good for you and you should use a light somewhere in the room.
I love more my shift.
im in travel in switzerland, now i'm in a starbucks of Geneve with a cup of coffee,
there are manu people here with all kinds of noteboos, apple etc, but they all have 15,4 or 14 notebooks,
and everyone is watching my shift.. and they all envies it..
what kind of satisfaction!!
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I agree with the lack of drivers issue, but HTC isn't exactly known for their stellar support. We should start some blog, website about the poor support in order to put a bigger public face on it.
My BIG complaint is the lack of backlighting for the keyboard, unless I missed how to enable it.
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Hi Nighthawk,
I really, really agree with you. The support of HTC is a pain in the behind. I do not know enough about the practical side of things, but yes, we should try to put pressure on them to change their practice. But as I said I do not know how to do it.
In sort of regular intervals I send them the same email, so far three without any success of an answer.
Yes, key backlight would be a nice thing. If you have to spare some bucks maybe the Logitech dinovo mini is the gadget to satisfy the last of your wishes.
S.
tks you are reason
you are reason
so many unhappy people
was wondering we should inform htc about this forum? So many unhappy users. their support is so bad they will probably agree. Probably they are busy applying jobs to work in Sony or Asus
An official complain would be fine. Some sort of petition with some signatures should also be good. However let's not forget that the site xda-developers who's activities includes hacking phones and making rom's, this site's users are telling htc something like "hey htc, give some drivers and better support (so we can hack the shift in a safer and more productive maner)". i don't think they will bother.
They aren't that stupid not to realise that the shift could have been a better device if it had (...) . So there must be something or some serious reasons making them to take this position.
hey people plz dont hate my question!
i have now iphone very nice and i like it
i work in a digidal shop
few hours ago came to me person and saw my iphone and show me his x7500
and told me if i want to change one for one
i dont know what to do can you help me?
my problem is that i dont like blutooth head set
so how can i speak with it
and the second where can i put it ?
in my pocket?????
wait for your replay
thxxxx peolpe
This is an apples and oranges comparison.
The x7500 is a handheld computer and the iPhone is a mobile phone.
You have to have big pockets if you want to put the x7500 in one of them, and using it as a handset is kinda like Maxwell Smart with his shoe phone. But with a bluetooth headset, you have a much more capable communications device than your iPhone. Just to mention a few improvements, the x7500 has a keyboard, 3G internet, a2dp stereo bluetooth, and the ability to add much more memory using a miniSD card.
If you want a phone to put in your pocket, keep the iPhone. If you want a PDA that is nearly a laptop and has excellent communications capabilities, the x7500 is hard to beat.
Besides, you can probably sell the x7500 and buy 2 iPhones. Your friend made you an offer that is hard to refuse.
THXXXXXXX MY FRIEND FOR THE NICE REPLAY
I HAD BEFOR THE IPHONE THE JASJAM SO I KNOW ALMOST EVERY THING ABOUT
HTC POCKT I EVEN WAS COOCKING MY OWN STUFF LONG TIME AGO FOR MY JASJAM SO I CAN MAKE MUCH MORE WITH THE X-7500
BUT I DONT KNOW WHERE TO PUT THE PDA LOLLLL
I DONT LIKE TO GO WITH WALLET
MAYBE IN MY POCKET MMMMMM DONT KNOW DAMN
ILL THINK ABOUT IT FEW MORE HOURES BUT IF ILL GONNA BAY IT
ILL HELP YOU GUYS IN THE FORUM TO MAKE THE BEST OUT OF IT
THXXXXXXX
writing everything in CAPITAL letters is rude and seen as shouting :S
sorry bro didnt notice im in the middle of work
X7500, iPhone or carrot - tough choice but they are three very different things.
if i want to go out with friends how can i carry the x-7500?
i need a phone with me !
and dont tell me its not phone i need one for every thing
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if i want to go out with friends how can i carry the x-7500?
i need a phone with me !
and dont tell me its not phone i need one for every thing
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No, you don't need one device for each gadget. No separete phone, separate GPS, separate MP3, separate video player... One device would do it all.
This review covers not just the issue of using Athena as a phone but also many other aspects also.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365794
You should change it with your friend before he realises his foolishness.
Or get a Nokia E90
I have both and I wouldn't want to be without either, but if it was only one device I could have it would have to be the iPhone.
No way does the 7500 replace a phone. Okay, you could use a BT headset or similar, but would you want to carry it around on a night out? No way.
iPhone gives me great net access when on the go, but more serious work and play I carry the 7500 too when necessary.
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I have both and I wouldn't want to be without either, but if it was only one device I could have it would have to be the iPhone.
No way does the 7500 replace a phone. Okay, you could use a BT headset or similar, but would you want to carry it around on a night out? No way.
iPhone gives me great net access when on the go, but more serious work and play I carry the 7500 too when necessary.
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i use 7500 for phone call without BT, not a problem.
I carry it with me at all times.
OK, I hear that you use both, but it is just one of the choices and not as if there is no choice.
For most who want only one device,I think iPhone can't use spare battery, can't surfwith HSDPA speed, does'nt do GPS(therefore can't possibly be the ONLY device you have to carry), can't have the same breath of third party softwares, desktop class word processing/spreadsheet/presentation on big screen, ......
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For most who want only one device,I think iPhone can't use spare battery, can't surfwith HSDPA speed, does'nt do GPS(therefore can't possibly be the ONLY device you have to carry), can't have the same breath of third party softwares, desktop class word processing/spreadsheet/presentation on big screen, ......
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At the end of the day a person can only base it on their needs as everyone's is different.
I'd do the trade just because the 7500 is worth way more than the iPhone, especially with a new model due out in a few weeks. (although I guess you could say the same about the 7500 now the 7510 is appearing, but whether that is better is a whole different thread).
Unrelated, but if I could only have once device then I guess it would be the Kaiser. Just because of size and carrying a phone to the pub thing. But I find that too much of a compromise and would rather carry two devices when necessary.
The perfect do everything device is close, but not quite here yet. (At least for me.)
uczmeg said:
At the end of the day a person can only base it on their needs as everyone's is different.
I'd do the trade just because the 7500 is worth way more than the iPhone, especially with a new model due out in a few weeks. (although I guess you could say the same about the 7500 now the 7510 is appearing, but whether that is better is a whole different thread).
Unrelated, but if I could only have once device then I guess it would be the Kaiser. Just because of size and carrying a phone to the pub thing. But I find that too much of a compromise and would rather carry two devices when necessary.
The perfect do everything device is close, but not quite here yet. (At least for me.)
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Kaiser is QVGA and the screen size is too tiny for spreadsheet, word pro, etc. I still think that Athena is the best single device that does it all today. Definitely worth swapping with the first generation iPhone.
Buy a Hugo Boss dress pants, x7500 will fit snuggly and nicely, people won't even notice.
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This is an apples and oranges comparison.
The x7500 is a handheld computer and the iPhone is a mobile phone.
You have to have big pockets if you want to put the x7500 in one of them, and using it as a handset is kinda like Maxwell Smart with his shoe phone. But with a bluetooth headset, you have a much more capable communications device than your iPhone. Just to mention a few improvements, the x7500 has a keyboard, 3G internet, a2dp stereo bluetooth, and the ability to add much more memory using a miniSD card.
If you want a phone to put in your pocket, keep the iPhone. If you want a PDA that is nearly a laptop and has excellent communications capabilities, the x7500 is hard to beat.
Besides, you can probably sell the x7500 and buy 2 iPhones. Your friend made you an offer that is hard to refuse.
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I am a proud owner of HTC Advantage X7500 and Iphone, but not looking at X7510 due to lack of processor and RAM upgrade, the RAM is still 128MB. And I like my front facing VGA camera, and my mini-joystick.
I prefer to flash my Advantage than my Iphone in the public, coz its rare! And even there is 2 Advantage sitting side by side, they are goin to look very different! Very Customised!! My Iphone just look standard and identical with my colleague's one, the 'Head-turning' effect of iphone is starting to lack nowadays.
And I do most of the time put the X7500 in my pocket.
But If anyone want pocketibility and most, if not all the advantages that the 'Advantage' have, take a look at HTC touch PRO, the one look like HTC diomond but with an added keyboard..... and these things here got 256RAM!!Its blazing!
I wish that we can upgrade the Advantage's RAM!! Coz no other function or upgrade can ever replace my desire for a nice 5inch screen on my advantage, and make me change my device!
But Iphone help me get more attention from chicks. And chick dont really dig the X7500. My girlsfen hates the X7500!! LOL
(I use my Advantage to my advantage as Excel and word document composer, powerpoint presenter(TV-out), Appointment Scheduler, HSDPA internet access, Remote desktop access, MP3/movie Player, incar GPS navigator, game console, Podcast/news reader,namecard scanner/recogniser,Ebook reader, Dictionaries(8 of them),USB hard-drive, Advance Scientific callculator replacement,camera, and so much more...like making call,set task,emails and sms.)
i beg to disagree... im a girl but i dig the x7510... in fact, im dying to have one... i'm begging my husband to get me one before the year ends and he just couldnt understand my fascination with it. He'd rather get me an iphone or just a tytn plus a umpc. But I put my foot down, it's the x7510 or i'll be very upset
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i beg to disagree... im a girl but i dig the x7510... in fact, im dying to have one... i'm begging my husband to get me one before the year ends and he just couldnt understand my fascination with it. He'd rather get me an iphone or just a tytn plus a umpc. But I put my foot down, it's the x7510 or i'll be very upset
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Way to go girl...lol
My solution has been to get a cheap cellphone off eBay (Cingular 3125) when I just need a phone. But mostly take the Advantage, except in rare instances (sports event and the like).
I find that with BT headset and my MBW-150 watch (which tells me who a caller is, as well as the sender and the subject line for a new message) I only dig out my Advantage when needed. But when I need it it's there... near-laptop capabilities right at my hand.
For now, I will stay with the Advantage. The iphone lacks (a) MS Office compatibility, (b) customization, (c) push e-mail, and (d) customization. However, given the release of a SDK for iPhone, that will probably change soon. I assume that an Office clone will come out, push e-mail has been announced through "MobileMe", and other options to make the device more personal will no doubt increase as well. I give the iPhone 6-12 months until the drool factor will overtake me... unless HTC comes up with a real successor to the Advantage better than the 7510.
After my X7500 was stolen, and seeing that the phone and gps functions have been made available, I've decided to move on up to a Shift.
But, why did HTC sell this device with the hardware for these features sitting inside the device, but not enabled? Surely anybody could see sales would have been much better?
htc and dualcor patent over shift
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After my X7500 was stolen, and seeing that the phone and gps functions have been made available, I've decided to move on up to a Shift.
But, why did HTC sell this device with the hardware for these features sitting inside the device, but not enabled? Surely anybody could see sales would have been much better?
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coz thexpatent for dual processor dual operating system with phone func..is held by company called dualcor.
htc did not want to fight the patent and crippled the shift to avoid patent issues...simple but a bad way to go with such technology..it would have been better approach for htc to buy license from dualcor instead of crippling shift... such a beauty is now a crippled and a flop device for htc..currently htc and its dealers are selling shift at very low price to clear the dead stock...
but still why? it was an obvious upgrade to their range of pda mobiles with laptops becoming ever more popular they should have had no problem. how many threads pre-dating the patent by duelcor had asked "can i run win 95/98/2000/nt/xp/vista on my HTC @#" if HTC or any mobile phone company read that thread they would think why not do this and as such the patent is masively flawed any hearing would overrule and probably pass the patent rights to xda-devs who would allow anyone to use it as per their ethos
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After my X7500 was stolen, and seeing that the phone and gps functions have been made available, I've decided to move on up to a Shift.
But, why did HTC sell this device with the hardware for these features sitting inside the device, but not enabled? Surely anybody could see sales would have been much better?
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Both of these "options" can now be "activated" using a custom ROM you can find here.
Vinny
But I don't understand why it made certain things impossible.. like bluetooth for calls etc. They could just have hidden it from the user, then xda devs are there to liberate no...
I paid 1400 euro for the thing.
Any EEE PC is better.
The only thing is very good on the shift is the harddisk.
It spins ans spins and.....
If you are the kind of person who gets emotionally attached to the gadgets you buy, please stop reading this post.
I'm not trying to start an inflamed discussion about which is the best device or manufacturer.
I’m not an Apple fan, in fact, I hate being “Apple locked” and that’s one of the main reasons I’ve bought the Leo after owning an Eten x500, a Kaiser, a Blackstone and finally, an iPhone 3GS.
I could go over and over describing the differences and the pros and cons of each device but I won’t. I’ll just try to tell you guys a few things we don’t have to accept.
We don’t have to accept …
the endless steps (gold card, hardSPL, regEdit, dictionary hacks, you name it) needed to get the phone speaking your language. You just have to say: I want “THAT” system language and “THAT” input language and that’s it. That’s how it’s done on the iPhone. And I’m not talking 3 or 4 languages. I’m saying over 30 different languages and oh, you also have voice control on YOUR language. You don’t need to hack Voice Command…
an SMS conversation that gets all messages out of order (doesn’t HTC know how to do time calculations?)
a Gigahert processor which can’t smoothly scroll a web page. I know it’s probably due to bad Opera coding but… have you ever scrolled an iPhone Safari?
a whole bunch of bad designed apps which you can’t effectively control / interface with because Windows Mobile programmers really don’t seem to realize that “user friendlier” is better. Have you ever used a same App on both platforms? Take Trapster for example (It’s available at Micrsoft app store). The windows mobile version of it makes me feel sorry for the programmer while the iPhone version feels very nice. Of course this is not the only example…
a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
I could go on but there is something I realized that made me feel really hopeless (yes, I would really like to like a Windows phone). While HTC (and other manufacturers) keeps on launching device after device in a short time frame and thus creating new bugs and issues to deal with, Apple keeps on improving its one and only iPhone OS, for its one iPhone device (ok, different versions but very similar) which keeps getting better and better.
While iPhone developers have to deal with interface and compatibility issues for 3 very similar devices, a Windows Mobile developer has to deal with hundreds of them, some very poorly designed and a few very good (like Leo) but in the end, there is no way to develop a very good app for so many devices without a huge effort (and cost). Also, developing an App exclusively for one Windows phone wouldn’t be cost effective as a single model doesn’t represent a large enough consumer market.
Apple, with the iPhone, didn’t create a device as we are used to. Instead, they created a product with a long roadmap, mature SDK, sufficient market share, providing the necessary ecosystem for developers all around the world to make it even better.
It won’t be possible for any manufacturer, using any OS, to compete with such a mature product if they don’t realize it’s not a device we need. It’s a product.
Sadly, I’m going back to my 3GS… (god I hate iTunes…)
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a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
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Couldn't agree more on that.. Actually some people believed that HTC guys were deaf to provide us with such a loud distorted audio quality. I can't forgive HTC for the SMS bug.. I can't load all my SMS, device becomes really really slow and laggy.. How come they did not run a proper test to ensure their HTC Messaging application was working fine with dozens of SMS? This is really unprofessional. What where they busy with? The weather animation?
HTC support will contact me today to collect some symptoms and bugs I found but they did NOT ( as they claimed ).
Hopefully a hotfix will be available ASAP.
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Couldn't agree more on that.. Actually some people believed that HTC guys were deaf to provide us with such a loud distorted audio quality. I can't forgive HTC for the SMS bug.. I can't load all my SMS, device becomes really really slow and laggy.. How come they did not run a proper test to ensure their HTC Messaging application was working fine with dozens of SMS? This is really unprofessional. What where they busy with? The weather animation?
HTC support will contact me today to collect some symptoms and bugs I found but they did NOT ( as they claimed ).
Hopefully a hotfix will be available ASAP.
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Well, one thing we can safely assume by now is that no one at HTC actually uses their devices. Unless they are all deaf, send and receive SMSs only to/from their one and only imaginary friend and probably spend too much of their time watching the weather channel...
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Well, one thing we can safely assume by now is that no one at HTC actually uses their devices. Unless they are all deaf, send and receive SMSs only to/from their one and only imaginary friend and probably spend too much of their time watching the weather channel...
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Some bugs are bearable.. I had too many with all my previous XDA/HTC phones. But for such basic bugs to be found, the device primary tasks ( phone calls / SMS ) should never be affected because it makes the device useless...
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the endless steps (gold card, hardSPL, regEdit, dictionary hacks, you name it) needed to get the phone speaking your language. You just have to say: I want “THAT” system language and “THAT” input language and that’s it. That’s how it’s done on the iPhone. And I’m not talking 3 or 4 languages. I’m saying over 30 different languages and oh, you also have voice control on YOUR language. You don’t need to hack Voice Command…
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Uh... you do realise that the reason these hacks exist is because the HD2 probably hasn't been officially launched in the country / language of your choice, and that people are hacking so they can use the HD2 in their country sooner than as decided by the carrier?
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an SMS conversation that gets all messages out of order (doesn’t HTC know how to do time calculations?)
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That's Microsoft's fault - having said that, I haven't had the problem with the HD2 itself - only the custom ROMS cooked with Leo packages on a Touch HD.
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a whole bunch of bad designed apps which you can’t effectively control / interface with because Windows Mobile programmers really don’t seem to realize that “user friendlier” is better. Have you ever used a same App on both platforms? Take Trapster for example (It’s available at Micrsoft app store). The windows mobile version of it makes me feel sorry for the programmer while the iPhone version feels very nice. Of course this is not the only example…
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And this is more due to laziness on the developer's part and nothing to do with Windows MObile or the HD2 in general. Take a look at S2U2 - have you seen how nice the settings page is? Or GAlarm, *the* best alarm program ever.
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a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
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Agreed. Wish HTC would get their act together.
If you hate iTunes so much why not wait a few more months for the Xperia X10, running Android with Snapdragon? Or the Motorola DROID for that matter?
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Uh... you do realise that the reason these hacks exist is because the HD2 probably hasn't been officially launched in the country / language of your choice, and that people are hacking so they can use the HD2 in their country sooner than as decided by the carrier?
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Humm... not exactly. Most people here at XDA were trying to switch from an oficial ROM to another. That said, we're talking about official languages. I was trying to flash a WWE ROM on a french device for example. The HTC excuse for this terrible language mess is, of course, microsoft: "Unfortunately, due to licensing restrictions put in place by Microsoft, it is not legally possible for us the change the language of a device once it has been loaded" - Quoted from an HTC support email I received.
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That's Microsoft's fault - having said that, I haven't had the problem with the HD2 itself - only the custom ROMS cooked with Leo packages on a Touch HD.
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Do you realise it shouldn't matter whose fault it is? It's a faulty device sold by HTC, period. I don't feel any better knowing it's an OS fault.
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And this is more due to laziness on the developer's part and nothing to do with Windows MObile or the HD2 in general. Take a look at S2U2 - have you seen how nice the settings page is? Or GAlarm, *the* best alarm program ever.
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I know but I think it's a bit more complicated as I said on the original post. Besides the laziness, WM developers face a too heterogeneous ecossystem that makes things really harder. "Ok, I've finished my app, now I just have to port it to 640x480, 480x640, 480x800, 800x480, 320x200, and who knows what else, despite the fact that standard WM UIs are really crap so every developer has to start from scratch if they want to make something look good. In short, only a few very brave souls will be capable of that.
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Agreed. Wish HTC would get their act together.
If you hate iTunes so much why not wait a few more months for the Xperia X10, running Android with Snapdragon? Or the Motorola DROID for that matter?
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Because Android is not that good also. It seems like a better OS than WM but when it comes to user experience and, most important, a consistent user experience across all apps, it fails for the same reason WM fails. Lack of a product design and roadmap. It's just trying desperately to be installed on as most devices as it can.
Regards
And yet, the reasons people still use Winmo/Android is because the Iphone OS has serious deficiencies in some areas.
There is no perfect phone....all we can do is make the best of each OS.
Honestly you'd be better off with an iphone. I love my HD2 despite some minor problems, because I enjoy messing around with my phone. Also browsing the net on the HD2 is much faster than on the 3GS and you don't have to zoom in in order to read anything on the screen.
Let's not forget that the device is going to be upgradeable to winmo 7 as well.
Solution - keep HD2 and get ipod Touch - best of both worlds. Connect ipod via Wifi to HD2.
I owned iphone 3gs...
I read all you've been writing and i, as former iphone 3gs user, must say that everything you say is corect but... why don't you say to all of us why you gave up your iphone... or why you really hating go back to itunes... and of course why in the close future you'll give up again, and sell the iphone???
The answer, real answer is that with iPhone you have everything right in place as you say but there is no fun... no joy... like trying to have the best sex but not in the mood... if know what i mean...
I had moments when i pulled out my iphone, from my pocket, and i wanted to play arround with it and...come on, really boring!!!
Iphone is the best in terms of everyday use, but if wm 7 will get better in terms of use it's going to be a strong iphone killer!!!
I really like my HD2, in spite of all the hiccups, because it's fun, you can lose yourself for hours doing nothing but looking inside of it... settings, registry, HKLM, HKCU... does ring a bell, than entering here at xda and finding that someone did something and you hold your breath till you see if that is working or not...
I only say that i like playing... and HTC HD2 is giving me that!!! i don't need silly games to have fun from my device...
By the way...
No OS can have better handle of e-mail attachments than wm... for sure!!!
I HAVE NO REGRETS FOR SELLING IPHONE OVER HTC HD2!!!
Cheers!
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I really like my HD2, in spite of all the hiccups, because it's fun, you can lose yourself for hours doing nothing but looking inside of it... settings, registry, HKLM, HKCU... does ring a bell, than entering here at xda and finding that someone did something and you hold your breath till you see if that is working or not...
I only say that i like playing... and HTC HD2 is giving me that!!! i don't need silly games to have fun from my device...
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Thanks for perfectly expressing my thoughts
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Honestly you'd be better off with an iphone. I love my HD2 despite some minor problems, because I enjoy messing around with my phone. Also browsing the net on the HD2 is much faster than on the 3GS and you don't have to zoom in in order to read anything on the screen.
Let's not forget that the device is going to be upgradeable to winmo 7 as well.
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I must say i have had an iphone 3g and i'm more happy with my HTC HD2. One of the reasons is because i simply think you pay way to much for the piece of hardware itself still no 5mpx camera while 8 is almost normal and 12 is high end. The new gs is worth more the money tough but the camera keeps me off and i kept hearing a annoying resonance while calling and the software isn't perfect as well and not that stable after a few days plus the battery life of the HTC HD2 is better as my iphone 3g and way better as the 3gs.
I like the default windows mobile software HTC Sense is annoying, camera flip, weather animations can't be turned off. Emails why show the email in the way it is shown now? i just rather had opened the whole email app so i can view the emails like your supposed to and not like a letter.
While calling you have to slide to get the extra options, why? there is a hang up button on screen wich you can press so why not the other buttons?
HTC tried to make a nice looking skin but not a functional one.
I use the default titanium skin with some modifications like a task manager added to the options and msn and the camera. But the apps for calling and the communications manager work great.
About windows mobile 7:
Windows mobile can be great. But i still have the idea they haven't learned from their mistakes. Look at the buttons a phone is supposed to have according to microsoft for windows mobile 7. a Pickup, a home, a start, a back and a hang up button. Why so many? Home and start could be one, 1 press to go home another to go to start and press again to go home again, simple and effective. Why a back button? when would you use that? Press the home button and your back in the home screen and applications usually have their own back button when needed. So pick-up home and hang-up would have been enough. Since Microsoft asks for these buttons they still think to complicated and i bet windows 7 will to complicated as well all though it will be more complete compared to 6.x.
But i love how i can change things to the user interface and multitasking is great, the iphone can't do that by default and that really sucks. And backgrounder that does make it possible, makes the phone more unstable as a windows mobile one. It is stupid windows mobile doesn't use it's greatest advantage for marketing and battling the iphone with it, this is where windows mobile could stand out with.
I'm writing this from my macbook on os x snow leopard and even i still prefer my windows mobile HTC HD2.
Windows Mobile 7 will simply use CE7 Kernel, compiled for new ARM CPUs and will use the new ARM instructions.
Now we're running Windows Mobile 6.5 that runs on CE5.2 kernel.
It's like running Windows98 on a Phenom X4 quadcore CPU
Even on other MSM chipsets that has got an ARM11 CPU, that potential isn't seen because of that.
When WM7 will be released, we'll see our device performance unleashed
I've had my HD2 for a week now and I must say I'm more than pleased with it. I did consider the iPhone as an option, but as I want to connect my phone to my Exchange Server then it was a no brainer to opt for a Windows Phone and the hardware specs of the HD2 are way above the iPhone. A big thing that put me off the iPhone was it's reliance upon iTunes to synchronise my calendar & contacts - it's dreadfully buggy toy software and I don't want a music application on my work PC.
If anyone has any doubts as to the iPhone's reliability and stability just Google "iPhone faults" and you'll see the problems users have experienced with their iPhones are considerable, with many being bricked through their hardware faults. Interestingly the most common reported faults are similar to those reported by the HTC dissenters such as slow SMS sending - maybe these are network issues? On top of that there's now the 'Astley' virus which Apple helpfully explain away as "the users' fault".
The emergence of open source Android phones whill hopefully spur the mainstream smartphone OS writers to concentrate their efforts on developing their own platforms. It's true to say that Microsoft haven't trerated their Windows OS as a mainstream product and there's still too much legacy code in 6.5, but it's still a decent OS for its intended purpose Hopefully that will be addressed in Version 7 which looks likely to be available to HD2 users as an (free?) upgrade. There's masses of quality third-party apps avaiable to maximise its smartphone potential for just about all users,.
There isn't a perfect smartphone out there and as we demand ever more features of them I doubt if there is likely to be in the forseable future, but the nice thing about the Windows Phone OS is that it is eminently hackable.
HD2 Simply Put...
Depth & Customization!
iphone got it right???
I remember hearing complaints about iphone for at least the first year, and as omneity says:
"If anyone has any doubts as to the iPhone's reliability and stability just Google "iPhone faults" and you'll see the problems users have experienced with their iPhones are considerable, with many being bricked through their hardware faults. Interestingly the most common reported faults are similar to those reported by the HTC dissenters such as slow SMS sending - maybe these are network issues? On top of that there's now the 'Astley' virus which Apple helpfully explain away as 'the users' fault' ".
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5. a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
Sadly, I’m going back to my 3GS… (god I hate iTunes…)
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p.s. I am a former Apple user. Iphone is more of Jobs' controlled user experience.
I couldn't stand it.
I find it ironic that Apple started out supporting open source while Gates worked hard at controlling users choice.
Now it is the reverse.
New things r always trapped in some trouble, and that's why i have paid close attention to leo, but i didn't buy it! im just waiting for a staid one.
To put it simply - the HD2 is the best phone I have ever used. I think it is awesome. I've had an iphone, etc - but the truth is there is no phone that hasn't got problems. The Iphone is falwed because it has no multi-tasking, crap camera, poor messaging (in my opinion), limited configurability, and its tied to iTunes which is horrible. The HD2 has non of the above. Yes it has flaws itself, but in my eyes less than any other phone out there at the moment.
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To put it simply - the HD2 is the best phone I have ever used. I think it is awesome. I've had an iphone, etc - but the truth is there is no phone that hasn't got problems. The Iphone is falwed because it has no multi-tasking, crap camera, poor messaging (in my opinion), limited configurability, and its tied to iTunes which is horrible. The HD2 has non of the above. Yes it has flaws itself, but in my eyes less than any other phone out there at the moment.
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I FULLY agree with you ; I also have a iphone 3G 16 GB but is now in the drawer collecting dust. As saying goes, One man's meat is another man poison . No point debating about how good/bad the HD2 and iPhone and any other PDA. It will never end
As far as I am concerned , the HD2 is my choice now vs iPhone
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Yep, I totally agree...and that's just what i've now done
purchased motorola es400. truly happy with this device, do think it's the greatest wm6 device with fantastic usability.
pros:
1. qwerty keyboard is easy to press, even better than any blackberry keyboard
2. 3.0 VGA tft screen: high brightness, clear display
3. perfect size to fit your hands, rugged phone, rubber frame give you best feeling
4. 1500mah standard battery + 3000 mah extended battery, a gigantic power house. so no worry about battery
cons:
1. wm6.5(hope it'd be a android one)
2. system needs to be more optimized, it took 5 to 6 seconds to shoot a picture after you press camara button!!
came more pictures.
1 more cons: 2.5mm headset jack
more pictures....................
Looks like that came from the Symbol line of devices. Lots of retailers use the MC-70 and related devices for inventory work and more. Very good devices for that type of work, but way to big and bulky for average use.
When Motorola bought out Symbol they started make a line that was more slim and trim in the hopes of getting executives/manager to adopt them. They'd not only be able to perform the inventory type jobs but also work as the default cellphone for the individual.
They are very rugged and well built devices. They can take a LOT of abuse and still function. If I recall the OS has also been "ruggedized." What I mean is that they sort of strip out some of the more advance, high end stuff that is more likely to cause incompatibility and/or crashes. I know this is true of some of Symbol's earlier devices. I don't know if it's true with the Motorola stuff... especially if they wanted execs to use these I doubt they would have done too much to 'em.
Great devices for Field Work, but I don't know they're usually not cutting edge tech or the most feature packed machines.
You've got Windows EH 6.5 on this right ? What build number do you see on it ? Just curious
Sorry but the best WM device is Leo
At least for me
orb3000 said:
Sorry but the best WM device is Leo
At least for me
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Add me to this. Leo is already Legendary.
Can anybody with this device upload dumped ROM?
Hello
i need a german Rom for this device!
Can anybody help
Hi,
Try following link, it should offer you a download link with when you provide your device's SN
http://support.symbol.com/support/s...eId=&dialogID=216462608&stateId=1 0 216464033
As mentioned above, these devices are really designed for data capture work in the business arena. Just the job, for barcode reading, warehouse pick list instructions, utility company meter reading, in the field survey response capture, customer order capture, etc. etc, but for personal phone use, it is a bit of a heavyweight.
Having said that, if you make a habit of dropping your phone down the WC, quite a common method of trashing it by all accounts, such a purchase could be a very good investment. It will survive that sort of thing time after time. You will have to give it some really serious abuse in order to break it.
This is where Microsoft is taking the CE/Mobile/Embedded platform.
Windows Phone 7 is now purely a consumer product.
..if it had DPAD and wm6.1...
sigh.
what's the cost of this, btw?
any kitchens available?
Regarding the cost, they're not cheap, but then again you get what you pay for.
Here in the UK they start at just over £400.
thank you buddy, nice work
mrteii, have you tried to shoot a photo at night using the flashlight? the light is distributed also into lens, making an ugly white arc at the bottom of the picture. anyway, the PenTile display is very nice. i'm currently using this device alongside with mc75a, which i like much more
On Sprint in the USA, the Touch Pro 2 is the best Windows Mobile device. I would get a Leo/HD2 if I was on T-Mobile.
Anyone one could get this ES400 rom ?
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Sorry but the best WM device is Leo
At least for me
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Also think that! Proud leo owner here!
Ev0luti0n_ said:
Also think that! Proud leo owner here!
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go away..
sheesh.
I just received this device off ebay several days ago, brand new, unbranded and it came with the extended battery. I've added a PNY 32GB class 10 microsd card and activated it with an at&t gophone plan. I'm getting the H data symbol up top so it looks like I'm connecting at 3.5G speeds and so far so good! It's quite beastly in size but I love the display and the keyboard! I hope they release an updated model in Android/WP7 form, but I kinda like how it feels like a computer on a phone. It's my first WM phone, my previous phone was a Palm Pre.