Camera-based Motion Tracking - Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General

Hello everyone!
I'm new on this forum and I've only read TONS of useful information till now...Few days ago I bought an HTC Touch device and immediately I flashed its ROM with a new one found in this *** WONDERFUL *** site
Well, in the past I developed some (stupid) applications for Windows in several languages; then I discover the "pocket-pc" world and began to have to do with it! One night I was reading about a feature of a developement-version of a well known browser and WOOOOOOOW!!!! "You can perform several actions, like scrolling, panning, zooming...only by moving your phone!" The software use image-processing algorithms to recognize your gestures ...only using the built-in camera!!!! No accelometers needed...
Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3pVaEVHpvI
Now, image-processing algorithms are not too difficult to implement...but how can I get access to the built-in camera on my Htc ?!? I tried to search all over the internet, and in this forum too...but I found only few things about HTCCameraAPI and many other programs and their dlls. I cannot believe there's no way to have access to the camera!!!
HELP please!!! this "project" could be very interesting!

One thing is sure - it _can_ be done, and it can work really good, even on weak hardware - look at this:
http://rivia.net/Fishopolis.aspx
I just tried the demo and i was amazed how well it worked on my wizard (especially considering its crappy camera), even in less than perfect lighting conditions (incadescent light). No overclocking required.
Also, from what i've seen WM7 is going to use the camera-based gestures too. So, anyone willing to beat M$ to it and develop a camera-based ftouchflo-like app?

I've looked at the libs, and I've even dabbled in the source, and this is my next project. Like I said, we know it can be done, it's just a matter of doing it. Obviously though, I've got to finish off PocketMelody etc. But it's my next move, once no one beats me to it . And personally, I hope someone does! It's not THAT hard.

Welcome to the forums gregnapola!
This website hepled me choose my very first PPC Phone 18 months ago and helped it become the best little device I own. It just keeps getting better and better with tools such as FTouchFlo, PocketMelody and Picture Flow, and I look forward to this feature onMY HTC Hermes!
Shows how much really can be done with this WM platform, all you need is developers with imagination and talent (and all the other things that go along with it like coffe and donations and and respect on the forums ).
Thanks guys.

maybe we would have some1 develop a program that automatically changes portrait mode into landscape by jus rotating the camera..hey u never kno..this is XDA-DEVELOPERS..

Sounds awesome and would definitly love to see this done. Just a quick question about it. Would it be a big battery drain to have this running all the time?

hebrewhammer said:
Sounds awesome and would definitly love to see this done. Just a quick question about it. Would it be a big battery drain to have this running all the time?
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Considering that you're not rendering anything to the screen, it's at least safe to assume you'll be using A LOT less power than if you were walking around with your camera application on all day .

Thank you for your replies...
I've just installed the demo version of "Rivia Fishopolis" to see how well can it work but it doesn't run it because of an unknow security-error
Now, I found a lot of useful camera-based applications, but they'll come in the future - I'm talking about WM7 gesture-based control, NetFront 3.5 or EyeMobile Games by GestureTek...but all I really need is the way to capture frames by my Elf camera; code samples in any Visual Studio language with HTCCameraAPI, or any other lib...

any update?

I'd also love to substitute my D-Pad for a Camera-based Motion Tracking system
No Dev takes this challenge?

gregnapola said:
Thank you for your replies...
I've just installed the demo version of "Rivia Fishopolis" to see how well can it work but it doesn't run it because of an unknow security-error
Now, I found a lot of useful camera-based applications, but they'll come in the future - I'm talking about WM7 gesture-based control, NetFront 3.5 or EyeMobile Games by GestureTek...but all I really need is the way to capture frames by my Elf camera; code samples in any Visual Studio language with HTCCameraAPI, or any other lib...
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I resolved your error assigning owner information (all). But camera feature seems to not work on my trinity...also the d-pad can't move the cursor...is there anyone with same problem?
thanks

Would it be possible to have it access the front camera too and switch of the LCD when you're talking on the phone? Something like what the iPhone does to save battery.

christiankirana said:
any update?
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The only update is that my elf was stolen about a week ago...and so...I cannot do anything at all!!! So sad....

gregnapola said:
The only update is that my elf was stolen about a week ago...and so...I cannot do anything at all!!! So sad....
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That's really stinks!! I hope you can get another one. Sorry to hear the news.
Chris

Im trying to use Fishopolis on my phone ( an HTC Wizard) but i keep on getting some kind of weird security error.
Any ideas why im getting that error and how to fix it?

doesn't seem to work with the camera on the Hermes...hmmm

Looks like we will have to wait until 2009 for WM7.

wouldn't it consume a lot more battery if camera is always on.
just my thought

I think this is a cool idea and I think I mentioned this somewhere else in this forum, but if this could be done, it would be cool if one could use the camera of there phone, link it via bluetooth and use it as a mouse for a laptop.
Just thinking outloud.

lol, some interesting ideas.
Docnas, refer to post by cf222111:
I resolved your error assigning owner information (all).
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Mariner_heart, refer to post by thundershadow_14:
Considering that you're not rendering anything to the screen, it's at least safe to assume you'll be using A LOT less power than if you were walking around with your camera application on all day .
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Screen Orientation - VueFlO

Has anyone thought about linking the screen orentation to VueFLO so it automatically changes depending on the orientaiton of the device? Is this possible? I would certainly be interested
apd said:
Has anyone thought about linking the screen orentation to VueFLO so it automatically changes depending on the orientaiton of the device? Is this possible? I would certainly be interested
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Good Idea!
would LOVE to see that....
Would VueFLO be able to tell the difference between tilting the device to the left (when in landscape) and rotating it into portrait?
A really REALLY cool idea though
Less talk and more results !!!
This would be truly a great app to have on the advantage. Anyone out there willing to build this app for us, it would be appreciated to the entire forum.
is it possible....and if so..how..?? doesnt VueFlo..uses manual buttons..can any1 care to explain if its possible or not..buh if it is..then it wud be great
i would to wite a programe for VueFlo on athena but i can't find any way for connect to VueFlo
i would write the programe for a thing like anti thief
it mean for example if i take athena on the table and turn the programe on, then if someone takeit, it play a sound and ...
i hope you can underestand my post
sorry for my bad English
Arya said:
i would to wite a programe for VueFlo on athena but i can't find any way for connect to VueFlo
i would write the programe for a thing like anti thief
it mean for example if i take athena on the table and turn the programe on, then if someone takeit, it play a sound and ...
i hope you can underestand my post
sorry for my bad English
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Eybi nadare dadash.. Your english is just fine...
And that sounds like a great idea... look, i do some xcode programming for iphone and being a close plathform i feel you can do more on that then Athena. dont get me wrong i love my Athena and i wouldnt change it but i think it is capable of so much more ... i broke my x7500 and got iphone and wasnt doin it so i got another athena. i use the both and i love my athena more than i phone....
fatouraee said:
Eybi nadare dadash.. Your english is just fine...
And that sounds like a great idea... look, i do some xcode programming for iphone and being a close plathform i feel you can do more on that then Athena. dont get me wrong i love my Athena and i wouldnt change it but i think it is capable of so much more ... i broke my x7500 and got iphone and wasnt doin it so i got another athena. i use the both and i love my athena more than i phone....
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you learn persian
eyval eman jan, pas irani hasti
thanks
i think athena is very better and i love my athena and don't change it with any other
but there's some small problem on it, like phone call sound recording and some other...
tanX for your answer and sorry for my english too
So is anyone actually create this program, or are they going to bull**** about how cool it is, and easy to make ......
SupraSkylineSTI said:
So is anyone actually create this program, or are they going to bull**** about how cool it is, and easy to make ......
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well i guess you could just always do it
irus said:
well i guess you could just always do it
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Believe me, If I could, I would.
Some coding god needs to reverse engineer to vueflo apps to work out how the hardware is accessed. After that, any coder can do it just like the iphone/ipod people are all making stuff that uses the accelerometer in them.
Its not an easy task. We need somebody in HTC to leak the details really.
Arya, so you were never able to fix your phone call recording problem? The built-in recorder handles it, I forget now why you were still having a problem. Off-topic, I know, discuss on the original thread.
On-topic, the motion sensor on the hard drive is just that... a motion sensor. Not an orientation sensor (like mercury switches are). Just turning the unit on its side won't let the OS know its now on its side, however, by adding some kind of motion code it will work just fine. Like shaking it twice downward in the direction you want to be down. Shaking it once would produce too many false changes, but twice or maybe 3 times would send the right message.
This type of phone input has been in the news a lot lately, along with vibration as a feedback. The idea on the news is you would shake your phone to see if you have any messages waiting, and it would vibrate back if you do. Unfortunately since the Athena doesn't have a vibration motor the output part isn't possible, but the input part is, since it has the motion sensors already! (the lack of vibration is one of the top-5 flaws of this device, IMO, hopefully it will get added on the X7502)
So, taking the topic of this thread one step further, how about creating an application that launches apps based on motion input? Yes I know there is a program out there that lets you reprogram most of the function buttons to do this (I forget its name at the moment, I haven't bought it yet), but adding motion to this mix would be so much cooler!
shake it baby?
these ideas seam very good but sahaking it multiple times and to open programs seams like it may cause problems because our device is just tooo big, imagine to shake or rotate ur device a specific way to get pie running (maybe it could be shaken to the rythem of ur favourite song (which has to be the Smashing Pumpkins..) and it shakes out of your hand on to the concrete pavement below wooops!!! just imagine the insurance form for that
Well, the unit's motion sensitivity is quite high. Easily confirmed by changing the viewflo sensitivity to high and then gently tilting the unit when you are in a browser. You wouldn't have to create martinis or milkshakes to launch an app, just a gentle flick or two will do. A downside of all this is carrying it around would present problems (either on your belt or in your hand). Even if you ignore the g-sensors when the cover is on, the cover-on switch is so faulty you might get to work and find that you wired $150 Euros to the Red Cross and sent all your checking account information to some guy in Nigeria.
techntrek said:
Arya, so you were never able to fix your phone call recording problem? The built-in recorder handles it, I forget now why you were still having a problem. Off-topic, I know, discuss on the original thread.
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tanX
i can't record call when i talk with handsfree
only when i used load speacker it record, but on load speack can't talk good, and call quality is not good!!
I try some of software that the friends tell me, but nothing not work
this is the Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=346126
tanX
apd said:
Has anyone thought about linking the screen orentation to VueFLO so it automatically changes depending on the orientaiton of the device? Is this possible? I would certainly be interested
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why did i just know someone would suggest this. hahaha prolly cause i thought that too! hahaha
1 reason of many i can think of is Iphone look alike
Hi, i'm interested in an iphone-like app too.
I still can't understand why HTC inserted a hardware which can handle with orientation, and then it's only possible to use scolling in PIE or Opera.
Why not Scrolling in PIE AND Opera. I love this feature, and want it always and for other apps too, like Rotate Screen automaticly, skip music file or backwards in WMP, Forward/backward in PIE/Opera when moved left/right.
I don't unterstand this. The difficult part is the integration of hardware, and HTC didn't develop a simple app which makes the hardware really do what it is supposed to do.
I even don't believe they added the G-Sensor for the Microdrive.
nothing new?
even with the new softwares incluede in devices such as Omnia or Diamond?

[APP][22/09/2008] Diamond SnowStorm

Here is a "Snow Dome" type of application. Completely useless, but it was fun for programming. Try using it 2 days in a row
Watch this space for enhancements over time.
- Changed the speed
All new version on 22 Sep 2008
This has been a complete rewrite of the SnowStorm application and it was a good learning school !
Despite the complexity of the algorithm, I think the response times are very acceptable. If you like to count the number of snowflakes: there are 200 of them and each of them is updated every 40 ms !
I am really impressed with the 3D capabilities of the Diamond !
Using the OpenGLES SDK to create a "pseudo" 3D layout.
- Snowflakes will be larger in the front then in the back.
- If the PDA is laying horizontal, snowflakes will "disappear" to the back-end or stay on the front after a while
- Pseudo horizon, fixed at about 50% of the screen.
- Simple graphics, trees are placed randomly, snowman is fixed
- Simple turbulence (any pointers to good algorithms are appreciated)
- Snowflakes disappear behind trees/snowman, depending on their position in space. They will travel through them however
- Simple collision detection, only sides of the "frustum" are checked, as well as the artificial floor.
Click on the top part to be asked to quit the program. Click on the lower (25%) of the screen to restart it.
Expect some other enhancements over time too.
Needs CF 3.5 !
Important:
If you like my applications and want to donate, consider a donation to Koushik.
After all it is thanks to his (and the many other developers) work and readiness to share it that I can write these programs. I (currently) still get enough satisfaction in writing these programs.
lol... cool ... totally useless!
But I think It should react more when u shake it..!?
NisseDILLIGAF said:
lol... cool ... totally useless!
But I think It should react more when u shake it..!?
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..xmas is just around the corner ;-). And tomorrow I'll go on summer holiday! 3 weeks no xda dev....uff
Really a cool apps!
haha
totally random
but useless
well at least ill show off my friends i have a digital snowstorm ball
i wonder if you can put it as a wallpaper
so when you are in the 'home' tab and move the phone it snow
Without words.......
But wit an enormous grin!!!!!!!!!!!
Video here.
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=723
Nice, but way too slow. The flakes should also move faster when the movement is more violent.
Thx
Surur
how about a flying santa when you shake it ?
.net compact framework
.net compact framework needed, where can i get the latest version for my diamond?
Totally useless, but...........very cool.
Only a question. I've installed your cab but I've obtained only the second image that you've posted not the first. Is there a way to pass from one image to another ?
Thanks
Picture selection
unvisigoth said:
Totally useless, but...........very cool.
Only a question. I've installed your cab but I've obtained only the second image that you've posted not the first. Is there a way to pass from one image to another ?
Thanks
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Currently there is no way to change the images, I just display one each day
So to answer your question: wait for a day
BTW, working on a new openGL based version that might react faster and more realistic
- Also thinking about user selected pictures, so you can insert anything you like.
- Anybody thinks that having sound is a good idea ?
cgeboers said:
- Anybody thinks that having sound is a good idea ?
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Definitely little jingle bells
Surur
Jingle Bells
Send me a wave or mp3 with some jingle bells and I'll do my best. I'll make sure you have it before Xmas.
cgeboers said:
Currently there is no way to change the images, I just display one each day
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- Also thinking about user selected pictures, so you can insert anything you like.
- Anybody thinks that having sound is a good idea ?
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This could be big... Xperia X1's Fish tank big..., maybe we could use this as a screensaver or as an unlock screen of some kind....
Maybe we should be able to change not only the picture on the background but the color and size on the snowflakes as well, so it won't be just a christmas thing...
Also, maybe you should also put some interactive water in the ball... as for sound? It's not really necessary i think...
Good job btw! Thanks...
What version of .net do I need? My Diamond gives me errors that .net is missing?
.NET CF 3.5
Admiral_Thrawn said:
What version of .net do I need? My Diamond gives me errors that .net is missing?
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I use .NET CF 3.5 for most of my applications. It comes with the ROM image I installed, but it is also downloadable for free from Microsoft. Have a look in this forum, there are several pointers to it. (Sorry, that I can not be more helpful)
I know the speed doesnt need to be turbo cuz the snowflkes are in the fluid (water, etc..) but having this in mind, the movement is still toooooo slow.. Same with the beer application.. Can it be more faster? Take a look here: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CEBtJG3pFhI
Cool! Thank you!
cool application for xmas
i do have a suggestion though
i would assume that the large amount of snowflakes caused the slow down..i think you should have about 50 snowflakes at most (maybe slightly bigger if necessary)..200 makes it a bit too clustered
cool good job
Wow I am made up to see this, I don't know why I didn't see it before, I think it may even have been my idea once, so thanks a lot for making it real.
So many downloads awesome!
Edit: Had a play great, better than I thought, Looking forward to be able to run it with my own background image.

[APP]Catch Phrase (Roy Walker) Sound Board (touch)

Please see thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2636915#post2636915
Reincarnation!
lol... fun program ...
Nice work!
I don't know if, when, where I'm gone use it ...
Looking forward to future apps from you...
awsome!!! all it needs it "its good but its not right!"
all i can say is youtube!!! loads of stuff on there!
loads on here:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSm5kGpWnsM&feature=related
Hehehe,, GREATTTTTT!!!!!!!!
fabulous!! a real candidate for my start menu!!
heh yeh thanks for the comments.
I thought it was pretty good fun . But as I say I don't think the missus was too impressed. I'll get some more samples from youtube and add them in. (Thanks for the link jameslovell)
I really want "Say what you see" and "its good but its not right".
I think half the problem of programming in my own time is thinking of apps to write!
looking forward to the extra sounds!
more Catchphrase sounds (+others)
http://chrismoyles.net/mw/soundmachine.shtml
Yeah i had a look at those, they dont sound right though. Sounds like it isnt roy.
Nice
would it be possible to extend this app to allow users to create and choose soundschemes?
There used to be one on the smartphone which was a great laugh
http://www.modaco.com/content/smartphone-software-applications/117105/spvnoisebox-updated-03-12-v0-9-2b/
I'd be happy to make some themes to share
Sound Effects, Drum Machine, Sirens, Excuses, Ventriloquism
Yeh totally, i will have a proper look into when I get time (hopefully this weekend).
Sounds like a plan, set of audio files and a configuration file with them. I'll get on it!
Interesting app you posted a link to, does it only work on smartphones then?
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I have just recently received a shiny new HTC Diamond Touch, after a day or so of having it I thought it was time to create an application. This is what the few minutes during my lunch break at work came up with.
A Catch Phrase sound board! Only 4 samples unfortunately, you wouldn't believe how hard these audio samples are to find.
I can't believe how much fun I have had clicking the Wrong buzzer whenever my girlfriend asks me a question!
Enjoy, the start of many applications to come I hope.
Requires .Net Compact Framework 3.5
Download the Cab
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Any screenshots?
No screenshots for the moment as the old application was just a test, hacked together in a lunch break.
I am working on a much improved version, all is going well and I should release something this week or this weekend. Unfortunately my free time is lacking at the moment.
The new app will be completely configurable and provide the ability for user created content in the form of button and image themes... all will be explained when I release it.
Thanks.
looking forward to it!!!
boreddead said:
No screenshots for the moment as the old application was just a test, hacked together in a lunch break.
I am working on a much improved version, all is going well and I should release something this week or this weekend. Unfortunately my free time is lacking at the moment.
The new app will be completely configurable and provide the ability for user created content in the form of button and image themes... all will be explained when I release it.
Thanks.
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Take your time of course and glad it's on the way. Thanks for your time and hard work as always.
I don't understand how this will work, or is it rom dependant? I can't play any sound when I'm on the phone. Tried the app, but can't hear anything. Same with wmp and tf3d player.
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Interesting app you posted a link to, does it only work on smartphones then?
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Sorry for the late response, you probably know the answer by now ..
It runs but will only play sounds on the d-pad, other sounds were assigned to the keypad.
Touchscreen is so much better ! and the vga resolution deserves to be used to full effect.
boreddead said:
I am working on a much improved version, all is going well and I should release something this week or this weekend. Unfortunately my free time is lacking at the moment.
The new app will be completely configurable and provide the ability for user created content in the form of button and image themes... all will be explained when I release it.
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Excellent news
No need to rush it, I presume you mean we can change the sounds, not just the buttons and images for Roy
I'm looking forward to it.
Many thanks
Some thoughts ...
It would be really nice to use animated gifs as buttons, that appear to 'play' when activated.
Perhaps it could use the g-sensor a bit like the lightsaber toy - assigning your own sound to a 'shake'.
during a call, could you shake the phone to play a sound that the caller would hear ?
"... must go, there's somebody at the door." <SHAKE>
! DING DONG !
Hi,
Is it possible for someone to supply the Buzzer sound as a wav or MP3 File. My Girlfriend has been using my phone, found this damn program on it, and after several hours of messing with it, now wants the buzzer sound as her message alert tone.
Ive searched the internet where i can, and cant find it. If anyone has it or it can be extracted from the program, or be supplied by the creator, i would be very grateful!
Sean Saunders
Sure here are the sounds
Sorry for the late reply.
View attachment snds.zip

[APP][UPDATED 2008-10-16] My sensor based application implementations

I am using the "ideas" section in the GSensor Apps thread as a guideline to write useful/useless applications. Instead of creating a thread for each small program I intend to reference the original idea/request here and display the application. Safes me from having to open a different thread
So here is the first one, based on this idea: Plane
Simple graphics, if you have better pictures, share them with me. I need top, bottom and side view of the plane. I can also use better sound files, I did not really look around for the best ones. And as usually improvements will be done and brought back here.
First improvement: used F22 picture from surur (see post below)
Usage: self-explaining
AH64d Lander
An other "Lunar Lander" clone, based on Apache Lander from the iPhone. Somebody did request this a while ago, so here is version 1, using C# and OpenGLES.
To start after a crash/landing, use options and the level you want to play. I fear however that the "Hard" level is almost impossible to play.
Options also allow you to use sound.
10-Sep-08: Fixed sound
Paper Airplane
A concept only application for the moment, but the goal is to replace the above "Airplane" with this OpenGL based application. For the moment it is only possible to look at the plane, sort of like a virtual hologram.
Usage:
Hold your PDA in landscape and turn it slowly around, tilting it over your head. You will be able to look at this paper plane from all sides.
Diamond Beer V2
A drinking tool, probably last update for a while.
Great idea! Looking forward to all the useful apps going to be posted here
Keep'em coming!
Thanx!
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Simple graphics, if you have better pictures, share them with me. I need top, bottom and side view of the plane.
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Surur
Great Idea your airplane!!
Surur: Your airplane is beautiful
great idea for the app list but..... why don't you make it on the wiki??
in this way also other peoples can add/update other sw& versions, and we will never stressed to follow day x day all the topics apps.
Also, i've read about the "cubes"
If you can do something with cubes, why don't do it for "Cubes app" like the iphone one?
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great idea for the app list but..... why don't you make it on the wiki??
in this way also other peoples can add/update other sw& versions, and we will never stressed to follow day x day all the topics apps.
Also, i've read about the "cubes"
If you can do something with cubes, why don't do it for "Cubes app" like the iphone one?
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I totally agree! You smart people with vast programming skills can't let the mac/iphone nerds have the lead in this area, right?
here is the example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugoq8M2XxVE
Wiki ?
SkizZO said:
great idea for the app list but..... why don't you make it on the wiki??
in this way also other peoples can add/update other sw& versions, and we will never stressed to follow day x day all the topics apps.
Also, i've read about the "cubes"
If you can do something with cubes, why don't do it for "Cubes app" like the iphone one?
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Maybe a stupid question, but what do you mean with putting it on the Wiki ?
Nice plane images
Surur[/QUOTE]
Surur, thanks for the images, I will certainly incorporate them in the next version ! Could take a while, because I am going over the current apps again and try to improve them. It has been too long since I worked at the "Beer"
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Maybe a stupid question, but what do you mean with putting it on the Wiki ?
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look HERE
Anyone can modify it
Lander: when I turn on sound it quits
Airplane I really dont know what it can do except sound which is same all the time ...maybe my fault
Sound fixed
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Lander: when I turn on sound it quits
Airplane I really dont know what it can do except sound which is same all the time ...maybe my fault
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Fixed the sound and uploaded the new version.
As for Airplane it is based on a request from somebody to have the plane. I did not fulfil his request yet completely. Next version will change sounds when you "dive" the plane or change directions abruptly.
The main goal is to demo that you can turn your PDA (in landscape mode) around the axis and the plane will show different sides.
Also the sound will only play as long as you move the plane in the air.
I guess it is great if you want to fly a toy plane anywhere you like, but don't want to drag it around
If you don't like to play with toy planes, it is useless indeed, but hey who says that all programs here need to be useful for everybody

What are the main things that annoy you about the X1?

Im making this thread in the hope that we can make a joint list and things can get crossed off-
edit: i will add anything that may be possible to be corrected by software fixes. whilst things like " you have to open the case to get the sd card/soft reset are very valid, there is nothing we can do im afraid!!!
Here are a list of the main things that really annoy me:
1) It takes ages to open up the SMS inbox/missed calls, sometimes a few seconds
2) there is a delay between someone calling you and your phone ringing
3) Videos are very jerky and not smooth unless i convert them and all that stuff which i shouldnt need to. i assume this is because we cant make use of the hardware acceleration?
4) no good games- emulators dont work.
5) Ring tone too weak
6) vibrate too weak
7) when im on the phone and i get someone else on call waiting, the party i am speaking to cant hear what im saying
8) The close / ok button on the top right are way too small.
9) no official flash support for youtube...
10) opera keeps on crashing
8) When using the keyboard, just a small nudge on top of the screen turns it into portrait mode, annoying when sending a text.
9) The close / ok button on the top right are way too small.
10) Have to open the case to remove the SD-card
11) Lack of updates, news, panels, etc. from Sony Ericsson... not a single screenshot, news or anything since release
12) Hidden softreset button
") no good games- emulators dont work."
with wvga fix i have gotten all games i used on my old himalaya to work just fine
with x1 but of cause if you dont cound wvga fix
"10) Have to open the case to remove the SD-card"
yeah thats a problem
"other general responsive and delay issues"
seem to be a general windows mobile issue
at least i had them with all wm devices i had
13) no official flash support for youtube...
I don't think the removal of the back is a 'problem' but surely a fraking INCONVENIENCE.
I agree with all those points so far and could certainly list even more but unless this will become a 'rant post', makes no sense for me to post this. But if one looks at all the posts in here and all those problems that are posted, one will find that there is very much that is wrong with this X1.
michaelthemage said:
I don't think the removal of the back is a 'problem' but surely a fraking INCONVENIENCE.
I agree with all those points so far and could certainly list even more but unless this will become a 'rant post', makes no sense for me to post this. But if one looks at all the posts in here and all those problems that are posted, one will find that there is very much that is wrong with this X1.
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well any that you add, i will add to the first list, so hopefully in time we can get them resolved... hopefully
michaelthemage said:
I don't think the removal of the back is a 'problem' but surely a fraking INCONVENIENCE.
I agree with all those points so far and could certainly list even more but unless this will become a 'rant post', makes no sense for me to post this. But if one looks at all the posts in here and all those problems that are posted, one will find that there is very much that is wrong with this X1.
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Well it sure annoys me!
I find the lack of support and / or updates annoying too
I've gained new found respect for Nokia being used to Nokia Beta Labs.
+ The loud HangUp tone.
I'd like to find the person who came up with that and just smack him in the face!
/rant
mo.ammi said:
Well it sure annoys me!
I find the lack of support and / or updates annoying too
I've gained new found respect for Nokia being used to Nokia Beta Labs.
+ The loud HangUp tone.
I'd like to find the person who came up with that and just smack him in the face!
/rant
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id like to punch in the face the person that decided to have a 3 second delay in answering and hanging up the phone!!! what the hell is the point of that.
nawfalah said:
1) It takes ages to open up the SMS inbox/missed calls, sometimes a few seconds
no problem here. otherweise, dont close the Programs and keep them running in the background. we have plenty of RAM ^^
4) no good games- emulators dont work.
WGA fix solves your problem ... well almost
5) Ring tone too weak
true, but ive experienced higher volume on different ROMs. so there probale is a way to change that
8) The close / ok button on the top right are way too small.
just use the "End Call" or OK button from your phone (lower right hard keys)
9) no official flash support for youtube...
uhm ... havnt tested it to the max yet but Opera plays all youtube videos and IE launches an extra media stream player. so no problem here.
10) opera keeps on crashing
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also no problem here. try a different ROM perhapst?
the amount of complete fools who seem to have bought one just because its the latest SE phone, without bothering to research it.
Then become seemingly incapable of reading the manual and instead ask the same basic questions over and over again.....
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the amount of complete fools who seem to have bought one just because its the latest SE phone, without bothering to research it.
Then become seemingly incapable of reading the manual and instead ask the same basic questions over and over again.....
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Couldn't agree more. e.g. Someone come to a "developers" forum and complaint no "offical" youtube support
nawfalah said:
id like to punch in the face the person that decided to have a 3 second delay in answering and hanging up the phone!!! what the hell is the point of that.
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Well, at least you can change that with Advanced Configuration Tool.
cheers
mo.ammi said:
Well, at least you can change that with Advanced Configuration Tool.
cheers
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well thats hang up only
jackleung said:
Couldn't agree more. e.g. Someone come to a "developers" forum and complaint no "offical" youtube support
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or where to change the ringtone: arrrrggghhh!
But ""developers" forum and complaint no "offical" youtube support" is actually right,
as well why SE oficially didn't install bloody FlashLite 3.1 on it (as well as HTC's have it).
I mean - it shouldn't be my job to instantly tweak an expensive smartphone, right?
Anyway, one thing annoys me is OperaMobile 9.5 crashing in some situations.
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or where to change the ringtone: arrrrggghhh!
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You mean other than in settings/sounds and notifications??
Shadowdh said:
You mean other than in settings/sounds and notifications??
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I bet he was joking!
Nobody's perfect, no phone is perfect, but my SEX1 is the BEST OVERALL PHONE AROUND TO DATE
Please beware: MOST of your complaints are related to windows mobile and NOT the phone itself.
KEEP IN MIND: "windows" UI was designed 10 YEARS AGO for slow, low-mem PDAs with 320x240 screens. TEN YEARS later we are still using the same archaic obsolete UI (eg. white, simple background, tiny soft-keyboard, 2-options-on-each-tab menus for setting, no thumb-driven UI...). WM UI is a dinosaur and that's why HTC develped TouchFlo3D as a "mask" for windows´s ugliness and user-unfriendlyness, BUT the widespread windows platform lets many people develop apps, innovations, tweaks etc and that´s what this is all about
If I want to compaint, well, I can allways find something about any phone to complaint about...
Still want my 2 cents??
The lack of a REAL dedicated VOICE-REC button is killing me,
but that's only me, my usage, my world, my way...
Still remember the time when I was counting the day until SE release an "official upgrade" for their firmware for my P900 on their website. What a completely joke!
I'm not sure why you even bothered mentioning Nokia's support for their handsets, if you have a Win Mo device you are having access to the best support in the world.
Have a look around, upgrade your ROM because the stock ROM, be it your operator's or HTC's is crap, then you wouldn't have had the performance issues in the first place.
The X1 is easily the most stable device I ever had, and had owned quite a fair amount of XDAs in the past years, starting with O2 XDA

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