I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.
hidavi said:
I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.
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You have tp PAY when you are using wifi????
when gprs isn´t connected and you are using wifi - that COULD not happen in my eyes.
BUT often when GPRS is connected AND wifi also the programs go through GPRS!!!!!! ths the problem. allways disconnect GPRS!
there is a liitle app "MoDaCo - Nodata" that prevents GPRS for connecting - if you don´t wish it to...
Trust me. I had the GPRS connection deleted from the connection manager. It could not connect thru there at all. I even called them and they said themselves, "there's a portion of the IM that travels thru T-Mobile" They wouldn't tell me for what, just that it has to. Bull**** because when I'm using hacked AIM 2.0 (they block the official AIM 2.0.), guess what? No AIM charges...
But I hate AIM 2.0. The software is ancient and therefore annoying.
How does Tmobile charge you for the AIM message? As data? As a sms?
Like the other guy, I dont understand how Tmobile would even "know" your aiming if you are doing so via WAN. Hmmmmm strange.
hidavi said:
I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.
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what you said means that Hard SPL " Sim Unclock Herald" Is that true? !!!
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How does Tmobile charge you for the AIM message? As data? As a sms?
Like the other guy, I dont understand how Tmobile would even "know" your aiming if you are doing so via WAN. Hmmmmm strange.
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Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.
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Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.
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I swear, my OZ messenger would not work if I wasn't on Wifi.
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Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.
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Yeah thats exactly the way I understand it. I figured b/c he was talking about going over wireless he was using IM+ or something.
hidavi, have you tried a third party program like IM+ ??
Doesn't matter, they still charge thru IM+. I know cuz for a whole month I used IM+ thru wifi and I got overaged $80 for AIM messages. I swear, if I'm not on data or wifi, my IMs won't go thru, not thru OZ not thru IM+.
This is from a product review
What I didn't know is that it is not a true online instant messenger application. Behind the scenes, it sends instant messages using SMS, and on the other person's end, repackages those SMS messages into the IM application. It seems like a novel idea, but the side effects are awful: OZ Messenger's ability to stay "connected" for chat, report the online/offline status of others, and report YOUR status as online/offline is hit or miss. Sending and receiving messages is also very unreliable. During the three days I struggled through this, roughly half of my messages weren't sent due to a "network error", despite having 4 or 5 bars and a full EDGE connection. (Side note - I'm also worried T-Mobile will bill me for SMS usage when I used this instant messenger)
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Doesn't matter, they still charge thru IM+. I know cuz for a whole month I used IM+ thru wifi and I got overaged $80 for AIM messages. I swear, if I'm not on data or wifi, my IMs won't go thru, not thru OZ not thru IM+.
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Wow doode.....that sucks....
Well, I'm not getting charged nowadays since I'm using hacked AIM 2.0, but I really wish this program had a Today plugin and a easier to use interface...
From what I found in the guts of the registry, OzIM uses a T-Mobile server as a portal for the IM system. Since every IM you send filters through their server, they have full control to see where and what you are sending, saying, seeing, etc, even if you are on a WiFi connection.
I've seen several recommendations for alternate IM systems that Don't Suck. Slick was recommended by somebody, but I haven't personally tried it yet.
Related
Thought I would start this thread to identify the best IM for WM5.0 or Wizard. We are looking for a universal IM that connects to MSN, ICQ, AOL and Yahoo.
I have Agile Messenger but it seems to disconnect all the time while in a call or just randomly. Not to reliable. My wife has the sidekick and the IM is flawless.
What do you use and recommend?
Agile Messenger
Pro:
Nice interface that allows you to see all contacts from different services
You can pull ICQ info so you can see who are ebhind those numbers
Separate tabs for each IM window
Alerts when an IM appears
Con:
Connection drops when on call
Connection drops randomly (should be a buffer for lost connections before it disconnects)
The application will randomly close
I use Agile
About the cons:
Connection drops when on call (It uses GPRS/EDGE, which is the same part of the phone that makes/takes calls. The only other way is to use text messages, and that is costly)
Connection drops randomly (should be a buffer for lost connections before it disconnects) (I've never had that happen to me)
The application will randomly close (I've never had that happen to me)
Does anybody use the AIM that comes setup on the MDA? If not, why not? I don't use anything other than AIM, and the one that came with the phone seems to work fine (although I've only had it for a day now).
From what I've heard, the OZ messenger app which comes installed on tmobile mda uses sms to chat. this means you pay for each sms message unless you have unlimitted sms plan. also, i've found it to be painfully slow.
I think agile is great, especially the WM5 alpha build. agile must disconnect during a call because GPRS/EDGE and voice cannot be used at the same time. I also had random disonnects before I updated to the qtek AKU2 rom. Now that i have updated, agile works flawlessly.
the oz communicator does not use sms. i dont know why people start these nasty rumors. the problem i have with oz is that it constantly occupies the notification slot telling you that you ar available. the led will always blink orange when it is on. and i actually caught it disconnected with the available icon still in the notification tray.
if they fixed the notification to only when you get a new message then i would probably use it.
my agile closes its self too.
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the oz communicator does not use sms. i dont know why people start these nasty rumors. the problem i have with oz is that it constantly occupies the notification slot telling you that you ar available. the led will always blink orange when it is on. and i actually caught it disconnected with the available icon still in the notification tray.
if they fixed the notification to only when you get a new message then i would probably use it.
my agile closes its self too.
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OZ absolutely does use SMS. I have performed tests on this where the ONLY use that could have been made of the SMS was the OZ client, and the counter got hit for EVERY message.
That's not a "nasty rumor" - its a FACT.
I totally agree that OZ uses SMS. I don't have unlimited SMS, so I never use it. After testing OZ, I suddenly had 45 text messages on my bill. Coincidence? NO! Like I said, I never use SMS, so it certainly was OZ that was using SMS to transmit those IMs back and forth.
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I totally agree that OZ uses SMS. I don't have unlimited SMS, so I never use it. After testing OZ, I suddenly had 45 text messages on my bill. Coincidence? NO! Like I said, I never use SMS, so it certainly was OZ that was using SMS to transmit those IMs back and forth.
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I agree, we don't use unlimited SMS either, OZ is definitely SMS-based.
The SMS charges even say "IM" or "AIM" (can't remember which now)
hi, im new to the ppc phones. im using a wizard/o2 xda mini s... and i have a problem.. i can connect to the internet but all my messaging programs cant.. i tried agile, im+ and verichat.. all say cannot connect with current settings.. what should the gprs settings be for tmobile us/ny
help please? thanks in advance
IM Plus by www.shapeshifter.de is the best. Does all the IM transports incl Google.
gavinfabl said:
IM Plus by www.shapeshifter.de is the best. Does all the IM transports incl Google.
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except the website doesn't load and Handango wants $40 for it.
voodoomurphy said:
gavinfabl said:
IM Plus by www.shapeshifter.de is the best. Does all the IM transports incl Google.
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except the website doesn't load and Handango wants $40 for it.
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lol
sorry, thinking of game by astraware. Try www.shapeservices.com
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gavinfabl said:
IM Plus by www.shapeshifter.de is the best. Does all the IM transports incl Google.
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except the website doesn't load and Handango wants $40 for it.
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lol
the website is www.shapeservices.com and somehow I don't like IM+ very much. I like agile better.
new IM software half price
http://www.webmessenger.com/wm5.htm
just seen this. just for wm5 as well.
http://www.webmessenger.com/wm5.htm
just seen this. just for wm5 as well.
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Hmm. Not free though...
I have been using the T-Mobile USA messenger software. It works, but the incoming messages are very slow. Outgoing ones are fast but the incoming take about 5 mins or so. Where can I download the OZ software?
I went to dl agile and the site says WM5 version coming soon. what version are you guys using?
the WM5 version of agile is due in the next 1-2 weeks...
there's a link to an alpha version of the WM5 agile in another xda-dev thread...
Is there any useful app which will able me to connect to my ICQ through my QTEK 9100 (except IM+ and Agile Messenger, which doesn't work so well) ?
Mirabilis's ICQ PPC Beta 1 version perhaps?
I've tried it, and it doesn't work.
It gives me an Error msg about the memory.
Something else?
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I've tried it, and it doesn't work.
It gives me an Error msg about the memory.
Something else?
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Try Verichat and enable the feature to keep you online even when the device is off once you start it for the 1st time. If you have SMS text messaging, your IM's will come through SMS when your device is off. If you have Verichat running, it will come through TCPCIP internet connection. This has worked great for me so far although I am still evaluating it. Problem with the other apps is that if your phone is off or you lose GPRS/internet connectivity, your IM connection is lost and this happens often. Also, when you receive a voice call, you lose your GPRS connection resulting in your IM session getting dropped. I am only really using the AOL part now so can't say how the ICQ part works.
Suggestion: Download and try it for free as I am doing. Test using another ICQ# on a desktop computer.
http://www.pdaapps.com/verichat_ppc/index.html
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the original ICQ client is very bad and stupid program!
keitht said:
tzafrirs said:
I've tried it, and it doesn't work.
It gives me an Error msg about the memory.
Something else?
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Try Verichat and enable the feature to keep you online even when the device is off once you start it for the 1st time. If you have SMS text messaging, your IM's will come through SMS when your device is off. If you have Verichat running, it will come through TCPCIP internet connection. This has worked great for me so far although I am still evaluating it. Problem with the other apps is that if your phone is off or you lose GPRS/internet connectivity, your IM connection is lost and this happens often. Also, when you receive a voice call, you lose your GPRS connection resulting in your IM session getting dropped. I am only really using the AOL part now so can't say how the ICQ part works.
Suggestion: Download and try it for free as I am doing. Test using another ICQ# on a desktop computer.
http://www.pdaapps.com/verichat_ppc/index.html
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Doesn't' support the local language (Hebrew), but I can handle it.
10x
You can try
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2500837&posted=1
PIGEON! mesenger
only when I have established a wap/connection? I dont feel like running up my text messaging and was curious if this is possible. Also im looking for posibly an irc client.
thanks a lot!
on a side note i just bought my mda last night and have been waiting to pick one up for some time now. ive installed the Registry wiz and total commander which works really nice
cheers!
22 views and nothin?
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only when I have established a wap/connection? I dont feel like running up my text messaging and was curious if this is possible.!
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Yes of course. WiFi or GPRS connections will enable you to use any instant messaging program that doesn't use text as a way to "IM."
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Also im looking for posibly an irc client.
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I don't know of any good IRC client as I do not use any but this one has very good reviews on every site I see it on (And magazine reviews) http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=5713
but will i get double charged as this concerned customer wrote:
http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/681
If you use Agile Messener, or the new Windows Live Mobile, you WILL NOT be charged using text messages. the AOL program (and the protocol, in my opinion) is retarded in it's method of message delivery. The two programs I have mentioned above, send IMs using your data tariff ONLY, unless you are connected to a WiFi access point, in which case, IMs will be sent over that network, rather than the mobile one.
Hope this has re-assured you...
along with the xv6800 update and vzwnavigator, verizon has also released mobileim for windows mobile. its an IM client that uses text messages for communication. so now you can send ims from aim, live messenger, or yahoo, on the verizon network without using data. however, it does consume sms messages, but thats not bad if you have an unlimited messaging plan and no data plan (like me)
EDIT: Upon testing the software I noticed that the software initiates a data connection. According to the download page it only uses sms messages. going to call verizon tomorrow morning and find out whats actually going on. (i really had hoped that this would be like the get it now mobile im, as i mentioned before, i have no data plan. unfortunaty for me it started using the data network)
I installed and tried it a few days ago. The interface is clean. But you can't be logged in to more than one account at once. If you're on Yahoo IM and receive a message on AIM, you must exit Yahoo IM to read the new message. I prefer an integrated program, like JiveTalk or IM+.
I have unlimited data but a very modest allotment of phone minutes; since I knew I'd be using the Web and JiveTalk extensively, I didn't pay extra to get free SMS. For me, the new Verizon IM service would cost, right?
Does anyone know whether it accepts file transfers? I think it does not.
I tried to have a PDA phone with no data plan for a while... I had a text message plan and thought that it would cover me. I then noticed that when I sent/received a text message my data would connect.
I called VZW and they indicated that on a smart phone, when you send or receive a text message you use data... on a non-smart phone you consume minutes. Either way you pay two times to send or receive text messages.
Verizon does have a 29.99 unlimited data plan... I would suggest that... 1 MB of data with no data plan is like $15 bucks.
Ah, great: Since I have the $30 data plan, I can use this Verizon app for free. I think I'll try it out, if only to advise my friends whether to use it or a third-party app like my beloved BeeJive JiveTalk.
Do you have a cab? i can't find the download for this and my girlfriend is dying to have aim on her touch
lol.
this is funny. verizon not happy only with getting their money-hungry grips on gps but now they're tryin' to leech the instant messaging too... seriously, this is why i got a pda in the first place, cuz it's the only platform verizon isn't locking down and forcing you to use their money-sucking apps. now they're clearly trying to corner that market as well.
Does the built in IM client in the HD2 T-mobile use data? or is it like other phones it just charges text message?
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A simple way to tell is to have it up and running on your phone and then IM yourself. If it is using text messaging it is pretty damn slow, whereas internet ones like Palringo are instant. Or dial #674#, send a few IMs, dial it again and see if it changed.
I am pretty sure the phone ships with that Oz (?) messaging client and it does in fact use text messages.
thanks, but I was wondering if logging in the IM client uses data.
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thanks, but I was wondering if logging in the IM client uses data.
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Yes, the stock IM client does. I just signed into mine to test, and it flipped on the data connection right away. I doubt it uses very much data at all, but yes it does use some.
EDIT: And yes Jamie, you're right, it's the OZ IM client.