16 Key OR 20 Key Version? - Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus General

i am looking to buy the touch dual but wasn't sure if i should go for the 20 key version or the 16 key version,
anybody give any advice?

I've had both but prefer the 16 key version by far. It's difficult learning a new key layout for one handed input (qwerty) and having the 4 app/launcher/utility buttons is a big benefit over the 20 key version.
ptbag
Cojo

thanks for your opinion

this seems to be personal preference. i'm using a 20-key version and very happy with it, because having one button mapping to fewer letters makes it much faster to get to my desired word in t9 input and address book search. yet, surely need to pay some effort to get used to it. just for your reference.

I used 20Key with program "AE Button" to map some keys for different application so it can get both advantage into one phone.

Boris6 said:
I used 20Key with program "AE Button" to map some keys for different application so it can get both advantage into one phone.
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so did you manage to map any of the keyboard keys to other programs using AE Button or just the normal hardware buttons (camera, vol up, vol down)?

With the France SFR version, we have no choice 20 keys
My previous model was a Nokia NGage DQ, so jumping from phone keyboard like to computer keyboard like implies some time training.
But with the soft keyboard and the hard one we have the choice
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just a little brain gymnastics

cojones said:
I've had both but prefer the 16 key version by far. It's difficult learning a new key layout for one handed input (qwerty) and having the 4 app/launcher/utility buttons is a big benefit over the 20 key version.
ptbag
Cojo
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Im looking at upgrading my wifes Nokia E65 to the Touch Dual.
Interesting point about the 16 v 20 key versions.
She likes to SMS so i guess that the 16 key with 4 app/launcher/utility buttons should suit her.
How many of you, use the software keyboard over the hardware keys?

Related

New great dialer

Here is some new dialer. I like it a lot. Especially in car.
http://www.mesoftware.co.nr
It's more comfortable than original one.
T9-like search of contacts from dialer itself. Dial any number from contacts with 4-5 finger taps max.
Quickly accessed picture dialing.
Changable skins.
Only things that lack are - quick access to call history and to new note.
But the developers promise to add soon.
Looks really nice. Good alternative to Finger Clix which I have already purchased.
Unfortunately, it can not map to the default green phone key - probably not possible at all unless you replace a system dll.
Regards
Michael
give this a try... MobiDial
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and it can be assigned to the default green phone key in wm2003...
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give this a try... MobiDial
and it can be assigned to the default green phone key in wm2003...
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Excellent program JaToAc but it is a bit slow to load once you press the green phone key. I am missing something or is not possible that when you enter a number directly to be able click somewhere to store the number as a new contact. So far I have not been able to do this with any of the dialers I have tried. Any info would be appreciated.
you cant do it with both dialers (adding a number from the dialer)
but phoneplus is the best dialer there is today.
mobidial is too slow and not using quick search for contacts, which is really dumb cause it does the same thung the default does (so why buy).
i bought the phoneplus and really enjoying every second, plus the writers of the program are intending on improving it a lot.
Silly question but what is T9 dialling?? I have seen it mentioned lots of times here but I have no clue what it is.
Thanks
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Silly question but what is T9 dialling?? I have seen it mentioned lots of times here but I have no clue what it is.
Thanks
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Dialing with your contacts woth the keys of a normal phone, so for the b you press the 2 and for the a you press the 2 again, for the r you press the 7 and for the t the 8. Then you can call Bart...

Application Request: Supplement SIP for Wizard/Apache device

If there's one thing I don't like about the integrated slide-out keyboard of the Wizard and Apache series is the fact that frequently-used keys are special characters, including the numbers 0-9. There's no Control key to make the Cut/Copy/Paste/Undo keyboard shortcuts, either.
What I'm proposing is a customized Soft Input Panel (SIP) for landscape mode to work as a supplement to the slide-out keyboard of the Wizard and Apache.
Since the slide-out keyboard is relatively close to the landscape-oriented screen, it would be simple enough to reach the keyboard icon with your thumb to activate the SIP, as well as tapping the wide on-screen keys that usually take two or three hardware keystrokes to get.
Here's a mockup screenshot of what the SIP could look like:
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Landscape-friendly and thin design will be much appreciated.
When the SHIFT key is pressed on the slide-out keyboard:
Access punctuation and symbols just like traditional keyboards.
When the DOT key is pressed on the slide-out keyboard:
The backslash key is useful and normally requires three keystrokes to get it.
Some information on where to get started on developing your own SIP:
http://www.pocketpcdn.com/sections/sip.html
http://www.pocketpcdn.com/articles/im.html
Some of the possible technical challenges when creating this SIP:
the Keyboard SIP tends to hide itself when a hardware key is hit, so it's possible that the custom SIP will keep trying to hide.
Detection of landscape mode. It should revert back to the normal Keyboard SIP if portrait mode is detected.
Detection of the SHIFT and DOT states for both Wizard and Apache. You might want to look into the CapsNotify.exe on the Wizard to see how the EnableIndicator can detect the states. The Apache has no such program.
Some of the possible options or features of the SIP could include:
customizable buttons
vertically-resizable keys
floating SIP capability
tapping sound effect
"Select All" (Control+A) to highlight a line or field of text
Is there anyone willing to take a swing at this and gain extreme popularity in the Wizard and Apache community? Thanks!
Is no one else interested in having additional keyboard functionality on the Wizard or Apache?!

four softkeys is that possible ???

hi there all
i have a question
everyone want a wm iphone but i like the phone for what it is
i use spb mobile shell and i dont need a iphone look
but what i like is four softkeys the two we already have + 2 more for email and sms.
is it possible for someone to create something like that ???
or is there already something like that ???
please help !!!
There are a couple button map software out there. The one I use is AEBPlus, its a commercial software that allows you to map a button to 4 different functions (one touch, two, three, hold). There are also some free software available that will perform a similiar function. A couple of them have been mentioned on the board.
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There are a couple button map software out there. The one I use is AEBPlus, its a commercial software that allows you to map a button to 4 different functions (one touch, two, three, hold). There are also some free software available that will perform a similiar function. A couple of them have been mentioned on the board.
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i use that already. but i would like to have more softbuttons so i can press one button for reading my sms.
i know there is also a today pluggin if you pres then you see also you're sms but want something you also see with iphone pluggins but then on the hole screen.what i want is at least one extra softbutton for my sms.
here is a picture off what i mean.
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is there nobody that can make something like that ???
this is the first reply/post iv ever made
i would also like to add extra soft keys, iv got a htc touch hd which i have remapped the bottons etc but i keep forgetting which app iv asigned to what i.e 2 presses on call end opens Point Ui, 3 presses opens spb mobile 'now'
but i also use a second today screen for things like rss feeds n news flash etc so i keep getting them mixed up.
Nice idea, an extra softkey (4 is too much I think) would come in handy

[CLOSED/G2] Soft Touch Keys are all different!

Anybody else notice that on the soft touch keys, the ones at the bottom of the screen on the g2, the home and the back keys are swapped places from a N1...Just thought I would point that out! Sorry I have a Nexus one and was surprised....but now after checking out all the other phones all of them have different layouts, even the droid x, droid incredible and the droid are all different layouts!!
Take a look for yourself....
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It would probably take me quite some time to get used to that from my nexus...i think this is an odd thing to do personally, but it does match the g1 good
Similar positioning to the G1. The keys on the G1 from left to right are [Call] [Home] [Menu] [Back] [End]. I'm not so happy that those are soft keys, and Call and End are no where to be found.
Trust me, doesnt take that long. Change android phones thrice, all with different combinations.
Haha, theres what, 4(square) = 16 possible combinations and I guess manufacturers are out to use them all!
TBH, I much prefer this to Windows Pho 7's three button combination. SOme of those designs look a world of tacky.
Yeah this is current line up of almost all newer android phones. The two softkeys next to the app drawer are best used for call button and you can end call the call directly from notification bar no matter your location on the screen. It takes some getting used to (my current phone, the MTS is just like this in terms of set up) but is just as comfortable after a while.
keys are just like the mytouch also. my search button also pulls up quick response
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Trust me, doesnt take that long. Change android phones thrice, all with different combinations.
Haha, theres what, 4(square) = 16 possible combinations and I guess manufacturers are out to use them all!
TBH, I much prefer this to Windows Pho 7's three button combination. SOme of those designs look a world of tacky.
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Just to be pedantic, it's not 4^2, but rather 4!, or 24, combinations of four buttons in four possible spaces.
I stand corrected . Should freshen up my probability and stats!
I do infact miss the G1 Keyboard layout, so far I enjoyed a dedicated button for numbers. So far I havent seen it and many people complained about it, oh well. I cant wait for this phone to come out just to root this.
its super annoying! but after a day or 2 you will get used to it; i have atleast..
it seems a lil out of place but can tell till i get the phone and mess with it.
but couldnt the buttons also be remapped with software then re icon with a skin/screen cover

[TIP] Move your keyboard to the bottom

Hello
I was making one application that would resemble more Android-like design: keyboard on the bottom, the main soft keys above it.
Well that is not possible to do both system-wide, but one half of that is. To move your keyboard to the total bottom of the screen, just edit registry:
Code:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Sip:
DefaultMenuBarHeight=dword:0
MenuBarHeight=dword:0
what happens after reboot is this:
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Advantages? Extra 64px (on WM6.5.3 and similar) of screen, no useless soft keys in these occasions.
Now, how do you hide the keyboard? Just, as on Android, press BACK key (on HD2 tested, TP2 and TD2 should work the same I suppose, but make backup first ).
Regards, OndraSter
Update: it seems that it doesn't work on all ROMs. I was using CRACIN's HD2 ROM, where it worked. I now flashed GTX Energy ROM and it doesn't work. Weird.
There is no DefaultMenuBarHeight in Sip there is only MenuBarHeight.
I'm using htc touch2. How can i do this? Thanks
This is dependant on the ROM and SIP itself. Try changing the MenuBarHeight itself if it isn't enough.
Btw, this won't work with any newer position fix - like ultrashot's uTask, since it tries to fix the keyboard too.
Heyi tried to change the MenuBarHeight and it was okey then but pressing back button make me go to the homescreen so it isn't for me. Thanks anyway dude great job.
Appearantly Touch 2 works different than Leo
You're right !
Having disabled Utask's position fix feature, I was able to move the SIP vertical position to anywhere I wanted !
The DefaultMenuBarHeight value can be manually added (I did), provided it has any actual effect.
Unfortunately, the Back button generally applies to the current app rather than to the keyboard, that sometimes even stays open (it actually depends on the app ! ), so it can't be used straight on.
But there are a lot of alternatives, such as remapping a hardware key with AEButton plus (now freeware), for instance.
This nice trick should probably be best used with a SIP featuring it's own closing button, such as FingerKeyboard (though it already has an option to overlap the softkeybar in landscape mode, and since it's fully customizable, you should be able to setup the vertical offset in portrait too, regardless of the actual registry values).

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