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Any questions for microsoft
Hi all,
On Monday week - ie 11th July I will be meeting with microsoft and hopefully looking at the HTC Universal in detail. I will take my camcorder along so hopefully they will let me take some footage.
Does anyone have any questions they want asked?
Also I will try to take a "origami size pattern" of the universal as many prople are worried about the size. ie you can print, fold and glue to get an accurate feel of its volume.
Any other suggestions on information that can be gained from this meeting?
Jayman
Edit: I will also try to get a couple of sample photos/video from the cameras
Ask about WM5 for other HTC devices. That would be cool to know what MS says about it.
Do you mean upgrades for existing HTC models (this is a carrier decision not m$) or do you mean new models yet to be announced such as the galaxy/wizard?
Jayman said:
or do you mean new models yet to be announced such as the galaxy/wizard?
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... which is also a question to ask manufacturers and not Microsoft.
Stateside
I wouldn't expect them to have any information on this either, but it's worth a shot. Ask if they have any information when we might be able to see this device in the US. Even ballpark figures will do. I need something to keep me away from the Samsung i730.
Also, if it is a working device, I'd be interested to know how it performs as a phone (without headset/speakerphone) in both the open and closed screen position. (i.e. are the speaker and microphone positioned to work well in both configurations?). Check out the memory configuration as well, see how much ROM is left for storage.
One more thing...WM5 seems to lend itself to easier one handed usage. I'm not sure it will be possible with the Universal, but I'd be interested in your interpretation.
It sounds like a great opportunity, have fun!
Shawn
1)
Will there be a HotFix system for the WM2005, or is there any plans for it.
2)
Will M$ Relase Rom, Radio etc. upgrades/Fixes directly in the future for WM 2005.
3)
What is M$ doing about the fact that installed programs can make the device general unstable. Are you looking into this problem and plan to solve this issue.
I'm no programmer and don't know why this happends, but i guess it the same story as Windows for desktops in earlier years?
Good luck fella.
Ask them when they are finally going to solve the microphone support issues with the phone application, why the same mic works perfectly well with speakerphone, voice recorder ect but is far too low on phone.
Maybe they could add a volume slider for the Mic in the phone app (and here's another tip, if they do, they current level should be the bottom setting!!)
Take the invisible Rom-Grabber with you and ask for a Blue Angel with WM 5.0...
USB Host
Can you find out if they have any plans to include USB host drivers so that we can use our windows mobile devices with portable hard drives. The form factor of the Universal can only be justified (by me) if I can get rid of my pc on many trips. To do that, I need access to files on my portable hard drive. Would be nice if they supported this functionality.
Ray
USB Host
Can you find out if they have any plans to include USB host drivers so that we can use our windows mobile devices with portable hard drives. The form factor of the Universal can only be justified (by me) if I can get rid of my pc on many trips. To do that, I need access to files on my portable hard drive. Would be nice if they supported this functionality.
Ray
did the meeting happen?
hi friends,
did someone actually meet ms people!
:twisted: :shock: :idea:
it's not software which limit devices from being masters and using external harddisks or the like
It's all gone very quiet, surely the rumours about the Redmond mafia's business dealings can't be true ...... can they?
Maybe we should have just suggested questions like "Is it true Bill Gates gives lots of money to charity?", or maybe "Tell me more about Microsoft's work in the third world". Poor old Jayman!
Rudegar said:
it's not software which limit devices from being masters and using external harddisks or the like
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Oh, yes it is software: they're called 'drivers', because the programs 'steer' the data to the correct controlling program.
The Universal has a USB port, so it should have a driver on it somewhere. The question would be, is the divice loaded with a driver to allow it to 'master' other devices, or is it just the syncing point?
Maybe he meant it's more likely to be HTC that can answer that question?
Of far more importance to me is does the device have a suitable method of connecting to an LCD projector? IMHO, this is the absolute killer app for a "laptop replacement" & it's pretty much the only thing I miss from the Xda II.
its more likely that ms and htc is the same, if you know what i mean. and its very likely that there is no company called htc in reallity. maybe a post box hanging in taiwan is called htc and a website hosted (???) in taiwan. but noone is working for a company called htc. i can assure you in that point. and even if there is a hand full of people claiming them selfe working for a company called htc - they are not located in taiwan. need more info about that? go to china and find out yourself, best to start your research is at a company called dopod!
cheers, lutz
lutzh said:
its more likely that ms and htc is the same, if you know what i mean. and its very likely that there is no company called htc in reallity. maybe a post box hanging in taiwan is called htc and a website hosted (???) in taiwan. but noone is working for a company called htc. i can assure you in that point. and even if there is a hand full of people claiming them selfe working for a company called htc - they are not located in taiwan. need more info about that? go to china and find out yourself, best to start your research is at a company called dopod!
cheers, lutz
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Please tell me more about this, lutz. I don't have the means to go to China and research it, but I always like to hear a good conspiracy theory.
Oh, yes it is software: they're called 'drivers', because the programs 'steer' the data to the correct controlling program.
The Universal has a USB port, so it should have a driver on it somewhere. The question would be, is the divice loaded with a driver to allow it to 'master' other devices, or is it just the syncing point?
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if you found a way to make a usb peripheral a master using software
then contact www.usb.org i'm sure they will be impressed
the universal if it have usb support contain a usb chip which can act as master
much like my gf's old acer pda which also have such a chip
htc would have gotten a better usb interface had they used the usb interface from the ati chip insted of the nativ xcale usb interface
Please tell them
F*******************KING SOLVE BLUETOOTH PROBLEMS, AT LEAST MAKE IT WORKING PROPERLY...........
regards
Gugi
-- sorry for swearing but ......
@gugi_sat: The meeting is over!
It happened on the 11th..
Hi,
Does anyone have any idea what the next "best" HTC device to replace the Universal will be? Or from any other manufacturer for that matter...
Better Battery?
Faster CPU?
etc etc
Cheers,
I've been wondering this myself. I'm quite taken by the Loox T830, unfortunately it's only got a 240x240 screen, but that might be sufficient if the actual device is small enough. Would make a refreshing change from the bulk of my JasJar.
I think we'll be waiting a pretty long time for something that truly outdoes the JasJar on all fronts...
Maybe a fast Universal with no memory leaks and more storage space...
don't hold back ssarl, say what you think lol! but I have to agree, shame they don't make a linux or osx based one eh!
Maybe HTC Trinity??
No idea, how the specs of this device are ...
I love my Exec, but wish the battery was of a higher capacity.
My next device will be the same shape hopefully (love the twisting faux-notebook clamshell design) but a tad smaller - theres wasted space around the screen I could live without!
It'll continue to take a full SD card, nothing less, it'll hopefully have a 4 to 8Gb hard drive, it'll have 3G AND quad band, it'll be pre-loaded with the Bluetooth Stereo and Bluetooth Remote Control Profiles, it'll have Opera in ROM (I can dream!), it'll come with the MS Voice Command software in ROM too, and I'll get it for less than £130 on contract at xmas, just like my Exec.
Oh and the MSN Messenger will use the front facing cam too as a webcam.
Make it happen MS/HTC/O2. And by the 20th of December this year pls. Daddy needs a new toy this christmas.
EDIT: Yeah, GPS too, latest SIRF chipset please - how could I forget that?
What he said, but with built in GPS.
Oh, and a microwave would benice too
Pick the Advance TC M.A.G.I.C. From my take, this is the best device possible to upgrade to:
http://www.advancetc.com/
That M.A.G.I.C. does look pretty good, but after the Uni, I'll be going for something a little smaller.
Not sure if they'll ever see the light of day, but did anyone see the devices from a new Chinese OEM that appeared on engadgetmobile.com yesterday? They look fairly promising, WM5, WCDMA, WiFi, GPS, USB OTG, 512Mb RAM & ROM, 2Mpx Camera, etc, etc.
They'll probably take about a year to come out in China, let alone anywhere else (and that's assuming it isn't vapourware from the start), but they're the sort of specs that I'll be looking for when I upgrade.
I'd like a decent FM radio - I'd like to listen to Radio 4 on the way to work.
www.dualcor.com
I really like this one...
Windows XP Tablet Pc Edition and Windows Mobile 5 in one device.
40 GIG hard drive.
1 GIG ddr2 ram an 1 GIG NAND Flash Memory.
3 USB 2 ports etc etc
The only thing I mis is a hardware keyboard.
Rene
rene01 said:
www.dualcor.com
I really like this one...
Windows XP Tablet Pc Edition and Windows Mobile 5 in one device.
40 GIG hard drive.
1 GIG ddr2 ram an 1 GIG NAND Flash Memory.
3 USB 2 ports etc etc
The only thing I mis is a hardware keyboard.
Rene
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I like the widescreen 800x480 screen that the dualcor has... shame about the keyboard though. Since upgrading from an XDA II to EXEC i have come to realise the usefulness of a built-in keyboard.
being able to run xp is brilliant too... it would be nice to be able to run win xp based programs/games that you really need...
The dual cor is nice, but it would probably leave a huge burn mark on our pockets.
I do prefer Linux... But if something can run XP it can run Linux )
Hopefuly...
Cheers!
Chris
Suggest that you look at the Sharp Zaurus SL-C3200 if you want LINUX.
Similar size to the Universal including swivel screen & real VGA with 6gb hard disk as well as CF & SD slots, but no phone facilities. It can run a number of different LINUX distros.
I use my Zaurus alongside the Universal for the things that the Universal cant handle.
Mike
Mike,
Thanks
But there are some problems.
1st of all I need TomTom.
2nd I need phone I just can't imagine caring TWO devices all the time
Also, I do need email, web browser, keyboard etc
At this moment ONLY Universal seems to be doing the trick.
Thanks anyway!
Cheers!
Chris
Then it's quite clear: the M.A.G.I.C. is for you!!
raymondu999 said:
Then it's quite clear: the M.A.G.I.C. is for you!!
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Except that does not have a VGA screen, is bigger than the Universal, and since it has 512mb of ram will have around an hours battery life...
Basically, I would'nt count on it. :roll:
Whell guys.... Im just waitting to put my hands on a SE p990....
This universal busness is starting to suck.... btooth is a major flaw.... the signal stinks compared to £30 mobile phones... wifi is also another disapointment with poor range.....and as for the battery wont even mention that..... I was willing to put up with its size since previous I had to carry both a pda and a phone separatelly but....
....This would be a very nice device for my daily buisness runnings withouth a doubt but unfortunatelly as it stands its only good in my opinion for enthusiastic people that like to have a good mess around with it.... as far as a buisness tool as it was intended or at least marketed its just a failure until such further development...
At least with sony on knows that it will be released singing and dancing and also that nice uiq system....
Ill buy a p990 and keep this one for a while still and see how things go before i blow my trompet any further :roll:
BR
hum maybe about 2gb storage 128ram faster access time on data, wifi that lets u log on with out the need for ssid enabled @ the router , full size vids in media player "tcptp" ect, ect, :evil: not fan of adding stuff that was in xda ii,(I think but all my vids were low res similar size to screen) ow maybe composite video out, audio out is just gr8 don’t go backward’s 3.5 jack is gr8 , hum maybe similar keyboard that was on Psion 5 but it's not too bad as it is. A descent bt stack & mapping of network resources like printers, hard drives. USB port that hosts & maybe have an accessory power pack on cable to run hi power devices for longer times. 5mp camera and msn messenger that supports webcam & bt head set for chat & possibly file transfer.
:lol: we all can dream, would be nice to watch vids like I used to on my xdaii but it just is not fast enough running @ 640 * 480 and all my old vids are now too small in media player and not really wanting to add more space taking software
:lol: ow well defiantly went over board but would be nice though
Anybody know a way to get a Sandisk Connectplus +128 wifi CF card to work with WM5 ? Drivers for WM2003 are available from Sandisk but that's all. Some of the Linux users have gotten theirs to work with Prism 3 drivers, but it didn't work for me. I've got an ipaq hx4700 with onboard wifi. I have the card leftover from an older ipaq and would like to try to make an external antenna for it rather than messing with the onboard wifi. Thanks for any help.
jwy2k2 said:
Anybody know a way to get a Sandisk Connectplus +128 wifi CF card to work with WM5 ? Drivers for WM2003 are available from Sandisk but that's all. Some of the Linux users have gotten theirs to work with Prism 3 drivers, but it didn't work for me. I've got an ipaq hx4700 with onboard wifi. I have the card leftover from an older ipaq and would like to try to make an external antenna for it rather than messing with the onboard wifi. Thanks for any help.
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This forum is for HTC manufactured devices but have you tried the 2003 drivers maybe they will work
Sorry, I thought this device was made by HTC because there's alot of posts about it on another thread. Anyway, I wasn't able to get it to work with the 2003 Sandisk drivers or with some HTC customized Prism drivers from another site. The card doesn't show up at all, not even a message like "unrecognized card" (the 128MB of built in flash on the card are available however)
I may be doing something wrong, my knowledge of these things is very limited. I removed the ipaq wireless manager shortcut .lnk file from the startup folder and made sure the onboard wifi was not active but, maybe other registry changes need to be made as well.?
BTW, out of curiosity I thought I would take a peek at the onboard wifi internals. Fairly simple removing the 4 screws and popping off the plastic corner antenna cover. I noticed what looks like a connector of some kind in the wifi area: not on the wifi daughterboard but just next to it. I don't know what it is, testing connector? JTAG? or maybe antenna? I'm not about to mess with my internal wifi hardware without knowing what the hell I'm doing but maybe others would be interested. Googleing about external wifi connector hacks on PDAs I only find one guy that did it with his Axim.
jwy2k2 said:
BTW, out of curiosity I thought I would take a peek at the onboard wifi internals. Fairly simple removing the 4 screws and popping off the plastic corner antenna cover. I noticed what looks like a connector of some kind in the wifi area: not on the wifi daughterboard but just next to it. I don't know what it is, testing connector? JTAG? or maybe antenna? I'm not about to mess with my internal wifi hardware without knowing what the hell I'm doing but maybe others would be interested. Googleing about external wifi connector hacks on PDAs I only find one guy that did it with his Axim.
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can you post a pic maybe i can help you with this more then the drivers
I'll try to post a pic later.
Meanwhile I haven't totally given up on this old card. I tried installing the official Sandisk 2003 drivers again and managed to get the ipaq to "see it"' but it won't connect: the LED on the card blinks but there are no networks being detected where there should be.
BTW, for any HTC owners, here's the link to the custom Sandisk drivers I tried earlier. Probably ancient for most but might help someone.
http://www.damnsoft.org/cgi-bin/ghostgui.cgi?nographics=;app=projects;section=sandisk
jwy2k2 said:
I'll try to post a pic later.
Meanwhile I haven't totally given up on this old card. I tried installing the official Sandisk 2003 drivers again and managed to get the ipaq to "see it"' but it won't connect: the LED on the card blinks but there are no networks being detected where there should be.
BTW, for any HTC owners, here's the link to the custom Sandisk drivers I tried earlier. Probably ancient for most but might help someone.
http://www.damnsoft.org/cgi-bin/ghostgui.cgi?nographics=;app=projects;section=sandisk
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maybe its a typo but its not HPC its HTC (High Tech Computer Corp. and is the name of the manufacture) but maybe he meant Handheld PC (came before pocket pc look at link). So the drivers are i think even before WM2002.(thats cool that they are still around maybe all these forums will still be around in ten years or more)
and he edited the drivers so that the would work on a old device, dont see that, that much
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmtop
I just picked up an HP IPAQ 310 GPS device based on Windows CE 5.0. As far as standalone GPS devices go this one is very highly spec'ed:
http://www.amazon.com/310-Bluetooth-4-3-Inch-Widescreen-Navigator/dp/B000VRYLU2
600Mhz DualCore Centrality Titan Platform with on-chip GPS
300Mhz DSP
128MB RAM
2GB Flash
4.3" 800x480 LCD display
Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
USB 2.0
Windows.CE 5.0
It currently runs a variant of IGO 2008 navigation program and has some onboard games from PDAMill.
This is my first Window.CE project. Does anyone know where I can get the appopriate BSPs etc.. to allow me to build a bootable/working CE Image from Platform Builder 5 or 6 with full driver support?
My dream is to put a Microsoft Automotive software stack on this see how close I can get to a converged device like the Microsoft/Ford Sync. It will also be a learning experience.
In particular my end goal is to enable the following scenarios:
Voice recognition
Bluetooth DUN/PAN
Bluetooth Handsfree and voice dialing
Information Services (via web services interface to online services from Google & Microsoft). Think of movie times/locations, traffic, gas prices,address/phone/poi lookup etc..
Full fidelity video/audio player
Launch native and emulated games
Plug-in framework to extend the features
Navigation
The spec of the HP 310 Travel Companion is very impressive and I like the idea of it being a multi-purpose device. The 4.3 inch display is large enough for use as a GPS as well as watching videos. Seriously I wouldn't need GPS function every day so it is great be able to use it for other purposes. I wish one day it would be able to receive free digital TV signal like those from DVB-T or DVB-H. That would make it a truly Travel Companion.
Wow you really are dreaming if you think you can get a BSP for this device.
Or for any device for that matter.
These are never released and I never even heard of one being leaked! Just like any other proprietary code BSPs are highly guarded.
What you are trying to do is pretty ambitious, but if you want to rebuild OS for something by your self you better get a Linux device.
Sorry.
levenum said:
Wow you really are dreaming if you think you can get a BSP for this device.
Or for any device for that matter.
These are never released and I never even heard of one being leaked! Just like any other proprietary code BSPs are highly guarded.
What you are trying to do is pretty ambitious, but if you want to rebuild OS for something by your self you better get a Linux device.
Sorry.
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Okay. Does anyone know much about the Microsoft Sync / Microsoft Automative software stack for Windows CE?
Regarding Windows Automotive:
You must be dreaming if you think you can source an Windows Automotive (or is it Microsoft Auto now?) OEM Adaptation Kit to do this!
As I understand, you need to be a huge OEM/ODM or car manufacturer like Ford and sign an NDA to even get any kind of access to it.
Considering its difficult enough to even source a Windows Mobile kit, I'd imagine its even harder to get Windows Automotive considering the circumstances...
However, there may be another way to source the Windows Automotive OS components besides obtaining an official kit...
Perhaps if there are some firmware updates for one of the Windows Automotive devices from Fiat, Ford, Clarion, etc. you can dump the ROM image and extract the files. Now, even if you do that you might still need to fix the relocations of every dll file...but it still might work on your HP after all that. I'd imagine you would also need to manually figure out the skin format of the Windows Automotive apps since you don't have the actual desktop tools to generate them...
I doubt you would really even need to source a BSP and build an image once you get this far. Chances are the apps you extract will run just fine from an SD card or the internal flash disk of your device if configured properly.
Off topic...
I managed to brick one of these today within the first hour. Just testing out Flux Challenge when it threw up a Please Wait screen. Soft-reset and now it sticks at the HP splash screen; had to get it sent back. Thank goodness I was only testing it.
Given this plus its molasses-slow performance, I think I'd choose something else if I really wanted to do any sort of modding...
Hi i have a 314 UK Version and wants to flash it with the german version.
Has anybody tried it ?
modellbobby said:
Hi i have a 314 UK Version and wants to flash it with the german version.
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Where did you get the ROM ?
some sort of firmware update is on the HP FTP server (also includes newer maps)
Use the engineering mode to dump and restore the ROM.
have an Ipaq 310 running igo8 and finean4, like to get garmin but seems to have a resolution problem, anyboby can help plz"
[8/23/08 21:36:29 67512KB 4.20.50wp]
GFX_buf_alloc: Invalid area (-20048 480)
[8/23/08 21:36:29 67508KB 4.20.50wp]
Failure 87 allocating bitmap of size (-20048,480) 16 bpp (0)
[8/23/08 21:36:29 67448KB 4.20.50wp]
Read Access violation at data address 0xFFFFFFFC.
Program address 0x00058080 in background thread NULL (CSubAppThread::Run Garmin Mobile XT)
[8/23/08 21:36:30 67440KB 4.20.50wp]
CALL STACK:
0x18156EC0
0x182B7104
0x029FC9C4
0x02A03D24
0x93C0A090
0x93C33EA8
0x93C0DEB4
0x93C09FA8
0x18058080
0x18059900
0x180D18B8
0x180D1CEC
0x182B71E0
0x182B7010
0x182B6C54
0x029DDF04
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have an Ipaq 310 running igo8 and finean4, like to get garmin but seems to have a resolution problem, anyboby can help plz"
[8/23/08 21:36:29 67512KB 4.20.50wp]
GFX_buf_alloc: Invalid area (-20048 480)
[8/23/08 21:36:29 67508KB 4.20.50wp]
Failure 87 allocating bitmap of size (-20048,480) 16 bpp (0)
[8/23/08 21:36:29 67448KB 4.20.50wp]
Read Access violation at data address 0xFFFFFFFC.
Program address 0x00058080 in background thread NULL (CSubAppThread::Run Garmin Mobile XT)
[8/23/08 21:36:30 67440KB 4.20.50wp]
CALL STACK:
0x18156EC0
0x182B7104
0x029FC9C4
0x02A03D24
0x93C0A090
0x93C33EA8
0x93C0DEB4
0x93C09FA8
0x18058080
0x18059900
0x180D18B8
0x180D1CEC
0x182B71E0
0x182B7010
0x182B6C54
0x029DDF04
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Is seem to be the resolution problem of our GPS... I'm having the same issue also. We need to find some doc to change the resolution... I'm still searching for the solution, any1 know how to cange it???
Regards,
Jeff
iPAQ 3xx Series
This is an old post but I thought I'd confirm a couple things for the record, should anybody be looking into this kind of info in future although the device is technically EOL.
40th Floor said:
As far as I know, this iPAQ is the only device to have ever even used the (exact) processor it's using.
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Yes this is the only iPAQ with a dual core processor for that matter.
40th Floor said:
And funny? Funny is that when it's on a charger (any external power at all) it runs at half speed (300 MHz) but when completely on battery it runs at 600 MHz.
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The original USB 2.0 spec called for no more than 500ma to be pumped through the USB line. Around the time WM5 was being rolled out, HP had to wrestle with the USB klan to convince them that wasn't enough to run a device and charge it. HP was making better use of the standard by doing more with it than the authorities thought was needed. They eventually backed off and HP up through the time I'm writing this ships an AC adapter with each device that has a mini or micro USB connector; obviouisly needed since the 22-pin connector died with the 6900 (Moose) device. The adapters provide up to 1000ma of juice.
Now consider this: Prior to dropping the 22-pin connector HP shipped 2amp chargers which provided enough juice to run the device and charge the battery at the same time. The 22-pin standard came out with the h3800 Series which ran a 400MHz ARM single core and didn't have fancy stuff like WiFi built in, and only had a standard QVGA (320x240) screen.
So how could a device with a GPS, such a larger screen, and a dual core 600MHz CPU be expected to even operate with a 1amp charger, let alone charge the battery?
Playing with the OS - Differences between WinCE platforms
For those who would like to play with the OS, understand this device runs Windows Mobile 5 for devices and NOT the Pocket PC OS. Pocket PC was a platform, just like SmartPhone was a platform. Although Microsoft changes the names to confuse the innocent, we're still talking about a few significant differences.
Consider Pocket PC (or WinMo or WinMo classic depending on the wind and Microsoft's mood), a superset of WinCE that adds a few other things to the core WinCE 5 platform. Search the web for posts by people who have managed to get PocketPC apps to run on their Handheld PC (HPC) such as the MobilePro 900c. The same kind of things would apply to the iPAQ 300. The differences are not all that significant if you know which DLLs need to be added.
In short, the iPAQ 300 Series is closer to a HPC than PocketPC OS-wise. The good news is, this version of Platform Builder can be purchased, whereas the one for WinMo is strictly guarded by Microsoft and released only to OEMs like HP and Dell.
The hardest thing you'll run across is that the digitizer drivers were not optimized for fine work, just for finger use. When you bypass the NavNGo "OS" to run the underlying WinCE OS and try to use a soft keyboard, for example, you'll see the jitter I'm talking about.
The iPAQ 300 Series could have been more but it was designed to compete with other GPS devices and that's really all. The hardware was really pretty great, but the device shipped with significant bugs that were addressed post-release.
If you want a PocketPC that also has GPS, the h5900 Series was a better choice. Not dual core CPU though
Anyone still running this fine device?
I've got mine running Igo8.3, works pretty good.
I'd be interested to hear if anyone is running Primo on it.
Also, anyone know where to get a TMC antenna for this unit?
Cheers
i still have a working one
unfortunately i think it have gone into battery shutdown to little charge in the battery for an extended period of time,
it will however come to life if i plug it into the car
i was thinking tonight it would be cool to hack droid onto it
Hello !
I will get my shift this week.
I have read, that there is a GPS integrated.
Does anybody know how I can activate it within WM so that I will be able to run TOMTOM ?
Here are the specs : ( german )
in the 3rd line you can read GPS
Betriebssystem: Windows Vista® Business, Deutsch
Prozessor: Intel® Stealey 800MHz + 945GMS + ICH7U; Qualcomm® MSM 7200, 400MHz
GPS
Fingerabdrucksensor
Speicher: ROM: 128 MB for SnapVUE RAM: 1GB DDR2 microDIMM RAM for Vista + 64 MB for SnapVUE?
Hard Disk: 1.8-inch 40 GB or 60 GB hard disk (manufacturer`s option)
SD Speicherkarte (SD 2.0 kompatibel)
Größe: 207 mm (L) x 129 mm (W) x 25 mm (T)
Gewicht: 800g mit Akku
QWERTZ Tastatur
Fortschrittliche Touchscreen Technologie:
7" TFT-LCD mit Hintergrundbeleuchtung und TouchFLO Bedienung
800 x 480 Bildpunkte
Kommunikation:
HSDPA/UMTS: Tri-band 850, 1900, 2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: Quad-band 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
SIM Kard Slot
Kamera: VGA Kamera für WEB / Videotelefonie
Audio:
Microfone / Receiver
Lautsprecher für die Handsfree-Unterstützung
Verbindungen und Anschlüsse:
Bluetooth® 2.0
Wi-Fi: IEEE 802.11 b/g
HTC ExtUSB (11-Pin mini-USB und Audiokarte in einem)
Stromversorgung:
Wiederaufladbares und auswechselbares Lithium-Ion Polymer Akku
Kapazität: 2700 mAh
AC Adapter
AC Eingangsspannung: 90 ~ 265V AC, 47/63Hz
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I think you may be a little disappointed with the GPS side of things? I don't think people have had much headway with restrictions the shift currently offers. First the integrated GPS is somewhat of an urban myth? It could be accessible, but I've not seen a 100% success story yet. Second if integrated GPS was present, you need to open up SnapVu to full WM6, then I understand that it does not currently have much space to put software? Thirdly If you managed to fit it on and can not access GPS then you also can not access either the bluetooth or USB through the SnapVu side. It does sound a little grim and I may be wrong? But that being said I love my Shift!!! and I'm sure before long the XDA Developer GOD's will sort out all of these downsides.
shift FAQ
Q: Does the Shift have a GPS module ?
A: Yes the shift have a build in GPS chip, but since we don't have any drivers for it yet, we are not sure if antenna etc. are there. (on the prototype units it was working so there is a good chance it will work on production models to)
NOTE: After i opened up my shift i can confirm the GPS antenna is there !!
here is the test of SHIFT with QSTARZ GPS
http://www.umpcfever.com/news/?postid=705
I think we can use the external GPS instead till the enabling of the internal one!
In the video, he is using Vista side - not SnapVu side! I don't think you are able to access either the USB or bluetooth on the Snapvu side.
kitkat_dave said:
In the video, he is using Vista side - not SnapVu side! I don't think you are able to access either the USB or bluetooth on the Snapvu side.
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that should all be changing very soon. gps should be pretty easy to enable since it was in the test versions.
There is no special GPS chipset in the Shift - GPS functionality is just one of the many functions provided by the Qualcom MSM7200 - yeah, basically the chip that powers the WM part of the shift, including GSM/3G Radio. By the way: SnapVUE with the WindowsMobile-Like stuff is just a cheap side product of using the MSM7200: The processor is already there... even graphics and sound is embedded in the MSM7200 - in fact, HTC just needed to add some cheap ram, some cheap flash, and some glue logic (imagine a simble console switch that switches the screen, keyboard and touchscreen between Vista and SnapVue).
Regarding GPS, the "problem" is: The technology (drivers) for GPS are there - in the WindowsMobile/SnapVUE-Part (propably not implemented in the final ROM version, but at least, HTC has it available). BUT: SnapVue is not sold as WindowsMobile, but as SnapVue, without any support for 3rd party applications - it would not make sense to provide GPS within WindowsMobile/SnapVue (especially as there is no connection to the SD slot... yeah, stop dreaming, there is really no way to access SD or the HardDisk from SnapVue).
So, why is the GPS antenna there?? Well, there IS an potential option to use the GPS: HTC might (!) develop a software that provides a (virtual) GPS within VISTA - using a connector software in SnapVue. So, easy way to add another sales argument later (to prevent price dropping to fast) - and hey, they obviously just had not the necessary resources to get that software developed. Look at ShagControl.... instable, not really SP1 capable... they have more important stuff to get fixed than enabling the embedded GPS.
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There is no special GPS chipset in the Shift - GPS functionality is just one of the many functions provided by the Qualcom MSM7200 - yeah, basically the chip that powers the WM part of the shift, including GSM/3G Radio. By the way: SnapVUE with the WindowsMobile-Like stuff is just a cheap side product of using the MSM7200: The processor is already there... even graphics and sound is embedded in the MSM7200 - in fact, HTC just needed to add some cheap ram, some cheap flash, and some glue logic (imagine a simble console switch that switches the screen, keyboard and touchscreen between Vista and SnapVue).
Regarding GPS, the "problem" is: The technology (drivers) for GPS are there - in the WindowsMobile/SnapVUE-Part (propably not implemented in the final ROM version, but at least, HTC has it available). BUT: SnapVue is not sold as WindowsMobile, but as SnapVue, without any support for 3rd party applications - it would not make sense to provide GPS within WindowsMobile/SnapVue (especially as there is no connection to the SD slot... yeah, stop dreaming, there is really no way to access SD or the HardDisk from SnapVue).
So, why is the GPS antenna there?? Well, there IS an potential option to use the GPS: HTC might (!) develop a software that provides a (virtual) GPS within VISTA - using a connector software in SnapVue. So, easy way to add another sales argument later (to prevent price dropping to fast) - and hey, they obviously just had not the necessary resources to get that software developed. Look at ShagControl.... instable, not really SP1 capable... they have more important stuff to get fixed than enabling the embedded GPS.
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snapvue is windows mobile. everything just has been made hidden. everything can be done with the proper time. gps anyway when enabled will be in the wm side. thats because there are better apps there and it will use less power then.
Pawel062 said:
snapvue is windows mobile. everything just has been made hidden. everything can be done with the proper time. gps anyway when enabled will be in the wm side. thats because there are better apps there and it will use less power then.
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There is no way (really!) to access SD or HDD from SnapVue (without running VISTA at the same time). So, GPS is mostly useless in SnapVue/WM. The only usefull way to use the GPS would be an GPS driver that pipes the GPS from WM side (SnapVue) to VISTA.
Remember: HTC doesn't sold you a WindowsMobile implementation, but SnapeVue. Period.
Pawel062 said:
snapvue is windows mobile. everything just has been made hidden. everything can be done with the proper time. gps anyway when enabled will be in the wm side. thats because there are better apps there and it will use less power then.
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+1 and we could get it soon .. with the Shift Project
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There is no way (really!) to access SD or HDD from SnapVue (without running VISTA at the same time). So, GPS is mostly useless in SnapVue/WM. The only usefull way to use the GPS would be an GPS driver that pipes the GPS from WM side (SnapVue) to VISTA.
Remember: HTC doesn't sold you a WindowsMobile implementation, but SnapeVue. Period.
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wow u people know lots about the shift *rollseyes* snapvue is wm!!! i'm not going to keep explaining myself to people who don't have a clue.
Pawel062 said:
wow u people know lots about the shift *rollseyes* snapvue is wm!!! i'm not going to keep explaining myself to people who don't have a clue.
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Of course SnapVUE is WM, no question - but HTC sells it as SnapVUE. By doing so, they don't support ANY third party application...
The main limitation of WM on the Shift is storage space: There is no way to add more space (e.g. by using an SD card...), as WM don't has an physical connection to the SD port, the Harddisk, the USB port... but without additional storage space, the use of WM is really limited. I've installed Opera to be able to surf without VISTA, that's enough for me. All i'd be happy about is a connection app/driver that makes the GPS (part of the MSM7200, thus, the WM part) available in Vista.
I bought a VISTA machine, not a WM device.
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The main limitation of WM on the Shift is storage space: There is no way to add more space (e.g. by using an SD card...), as WM don't has an physical connection to the SD port, the Harddisk, the USB port...
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Everyone keeps talking about no physical connection.
Guys, I talked to some technical ppl and they say it's possible to use the SD card under WM.
Please wait for the Shift project team finds a solution and stop telling people that there is no connection.
michael85 said:
Everyone keeps talking about no physical connection.
Guys, I talked to some technical ppl and they say it's possible to use the SD card under WM.
Please wait for the Shift project team finds a solution and stop telling people that there is no connection.
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Which technical people? What do they know that the rest of us don't and how?
If you look at the SD card under Vista you will see that it is on the PCI bus. As far as I can see, the only real connection between the Vista and WM sides is via the USB bus and the SD card isn't on that. Now, I wouldn't stick my neck out and say that it definitely isn't connected to the WM side, but it certainly seems very likely to me.
It is always better to err on the side of caution - telling people that the Shift project team *will* find a solution is worse than telling people that they won't, since if you buy the device believing that SD card access will become available you may end up being sorely disappointed! In this case, it is better to buy with a pessimistic attitude, and then be pleasantly surprised if SD card access is made available.
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skin57 said:
Of course SnapVUE is WM, no question - but HTC sells it as SnapVUE. By doing so, they don't support ANY third party application...
The main limitation of WM on the Shift is storage space: There is no way to add more space (e.g. by using an SD card...), as WM don't has an physical connection to the SD port, the Harddisk, the USB port... but without additional storage space, the use of WM is really limited. I've installed Opera to be able to surf without VISTA, that's enough for me. All i'd be happy about is a connection app/driver that makes the GPS (part of the MSM7200, thus, the WM part) available in Vista.
I bought a VISTA machine, not a WM device.
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correct but with time most of those things can be brought back to the shift. one of things we will try to do is to get the hd or sd back so u can all install more stuff.
foxmeister said:
Which technical people? What do they know that the rest of us don't and how?
If you look at the SD card under Vista you will see that it is on the PCI bus. As far as I can see, the only real connection between the Vista and WM sides is via the USB bus and the SD card isn't on that. Now, I wouldn't stick my neck out and say that it definitely isn't connected to the WM side, but it certainly seems very likely to me.
It is always better to err on the side of caution - telling people that the Shift project team *will* find a solution is worse than telling people that they won't, since if you buy the device believing that SD card access will become available you may end up being sorely disappointed! In this case, it is better to buy with a pessimistic attitude, and then be pleasantly surprised if SD card access is made available.
Regards,
Dave
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no one is saying u should buy it bc it will be coming soon. we are saying it isnt impossible to bring it back. if i remember correctly the sd is tied into wm actually but on the very low level.
Pawel062 said:
correct but with time most of those things can be brought back to the shift. one of things we will try to do is to get the hd or sd back so u can all install more stuff.
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Of course i correct you: SD and HDD are connected to the PC-Side only. Hey, how would you implement a device-sharing on storage devices between two systems?? Imagine accessing the SD-Card from VISTA and WM at the same time... That's stuff that is implemented in Cluster-Solutions with SANs - but not in an UMPC, especially not by HTC.
Stop dreaming.
skin57 said:
Of course i correct you: SD and HDD are connected to the PC-Side only. Hey, how would you implement a device-sharing on storage devices between two systems?? Imagine accessing the SD-Card from VISTA and WM at the same time... That's stuff that is implemented in Cluster-Solutions with SANs - but not in an UMPC, especially not by HTC.
Stop dreaming.
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I think the only way is to open shift, and solder inside an SD-CARD..
I'd be up for a little soldering, and I'd happily lose the SD card from Vista to gain it on the WinMo side. But I won't be doing any hardware mods until the warranty has expired, by then I'll have newer, better toys and won't mind risking the Shift so much.
skin57 said:
Of course i correct you: SD and HDD are connected to the PC-Side only. Hey, how would you implement a device-sharing on storage devices between two systems?? Imagine accessing the SD-Card from VISTA and WM at the same time... That's stuff that is implemented in Cluster-Solutions with SANs - but not in an UMPC, especially not by HTC.
Stop dreaming.
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Yeah right. You seems like a big boy knowing big thinks about clusters and SANs, but nobody is talking about simultaneous access. SD drivers can be disables on one side or one other depending on the needs.
And just to clear up thinks, debug tools are able to log to the sd card on WM side. It means lower level access does indeed exist.
There is no signal or proof that it is possible for the HDD, but I'm sure nobody was really hopping for this to happen.