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Video Framerate with HTC prophet(and other versions)

im seriously considering upgrade changing to a Dopod pro818 but i have a question, i enjoy using my mini as a portable media player using TCPMP with max FPS per compression, if i make FPS 29.97+128kbps audio, will this run smoothly like in my mini or will the 200mhz cpu have problems for media play? i dnt wana get the unit then later finding out that i cant play my favorite movies and videos
those with this unit pls put in some feedback so i can weigh my options

if you encode 320x240 with 29.97fps and 128kbps sound, it is no problem playing on the prophet.

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If you usaually use device for movies & songs, I did not suggest to upgrade Prophet device. Prophet was not good at handling multimedia functions, like movie. I suggest you might look for Atom with 416MHz speed instead of OMAP device.
Or wait for new product update from HTC soon.............

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victorlam said:
If you usaually use device for movies & songs, I did not suggest to upgrade Prophet device. Prophet was not good at handling multimedia functions, like movie. I suggest you might look for Atom with 416MHz speed instead of OMAP device.
Or wait for new product update from HTC soon.............
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hmmm I'm not so sure. I have gone from the Jam (400mhz) to the Prophet (200mhz), which is a step down in processor speed. I used both for watching movies, music etc. I have found the Prophet to be perfectly acceptable. I watch them using 29 fps 320x240 128kps and it's fine. I have even watched a fully blown divx (700mb) film and it was fine. Maybe there are small artefacts that I'm not noticing, I really couldn't say but if you find it's a big difference in price then perhaps the Prophet is you best option. Obviously if price is not a problem then the Atom is the way to go.
ps. Also bear in mind that you can overclock the omap processor.

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qdabean said:
ps. Also bear in mind that you can overclock the omap processor.
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keep in mind, that not all OMAP processor can achieve 300MHz...
even, it can render your device became useless...

The OMAP Processor have some issues with Windows Media Player 10... But TCPMP plays just great on the OMAP 200Mhz processor.
I even watch my movies and videos while using my Plantronics Stereo Headset and A2DP... No lags, no skips... Silky smooth video and audio.
Best regards,
Rayan

320x240, 29.997fps, 128kbit audio - performs great and without any overclocking.
playing a full-blown Divx at full quality requires some overclocking though.
I have even streamed a film over wi-fi without problems, however it needed overclocking too.

why are movies so crap ?

I am enjoying my new toy, but compared to my PSP the movies look really crap!
this device has a 600 hz chip and yet struggles with a 640x480 25 fps movie
I downloaded the F4 silver surfer which everyone said was great but compared to a Psp movie it looked like VHS.
does anyone know why this is and will it improve?

spacecat said:
I am enjoying my new toy, but compared to my PSP the movies look really crap!
this device has a 600 hz chip and yet struggles with a 640x480 25 fps movie
I downloaded the F4 silver surfer which everyone said was great but compared to a Psp movie it looked like VHS.
does anyone know why this is and will it improve?
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Get tcpmp downloaded.......if that doesnt improve the playback it might be the same reason why the hermes was crap at video playback.....the OS sucks!
the hermes now plays videos quite nicely on WM6.....are you still on WM5?

no I am on wm6
I read another thread and am trying some different settings so hopefully it will mprove
still for such a pricey device it should work out of the box

it is most likely the conversion software you r using or the format that its in. i use spb mobile dvd 1.2 and i convert it into wmv so i can use wmp10 and not TCPMP. if you want to try a "TRIAL " copy i can send it to you, just drop me a line.
[email protected]

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it is most likely the conversion software you r using or the format that its in. i use spb mobile dvd 1.2 and i convert it into wmv so i can use wmp10 and not TCPMP. if you want to try a "TRIAL " copy i can send it to you, just drop me a line.
[email protected]
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email has been sent

err its ok i seem to have found the TRIAL copy

nice video here i use tcmp and select the video driver ATI

run a few tests and its better but cant touch PSP AVC movies for quality

spacecat said:
I am enjoying my new toy, but compared to my PSP the movies look really crap!
this device has a 600 hz chip and yet struggles with a 640x480 25 fps movie
I downloaded the F4 silver surfer which everyone said was great but compared to a Psp movie it looked like VHS.
does anyone know why this is and will it improve?
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Hi spacecat.
They are not crap at all. As another member pointed out to you...it's all about the encoding.
DVD rips (like Axxo's torrent rips) look like HQ DVD's on my Athena, but only in a widescreen format. Meaning any bigger resolution and the Athena seems to strugle with lipsync and general performance/playback speed and skipped frames, right?
I did a small test converting 2 High definition movies into 640x368...not quite 480, but the end result was truly fab!!
It still looked high def...virtually filled the entire screen...or fills it depending what player you use...TCPMP is best or Coreplayer v1.1.1 looks a tad better, but no performance issues to complain about and absolutely minimul frames dropped.
But because I don't have the time for all that now, I simply settle for torrent downloads and play them directly via TCPMP or Coreplayer. And they look the nuts. Razor sharp.
Hope it works out for you.
P.S. The only benefit IMHO in using WMP10 and WMV (MP4-ASP) video files, is that it will be accelerated by the Imageon hardware decoder, but Coreplayer and TCPMP can use the Imageon software driver to accelerate all movie formats except WMV.
So in conclusion use WMP10 for WMV and the freeware TCPMP v0.71rc with all plug-ins available for everything else.

I'm still on WM5 and tge movie quality is absolutely sensational. On the other hand, it is crap on both of my two PSPs! I don't bother using my PSPs. I think it is potentially possible to have quality video if I get the settings right in PSP, just like you can have quality video on thus device if your setting is right.

Be careful with the ATI fix cab. I just installed it on the Athena and now my device can not boot pass the second splashscreen

mackaby007 said:
Hi spacecat.
They are not crap at all. As another member pointed out to you...it's all about the encoding.
DVD rips (like Axxo's torrent rips) look like HQ DVD's on my Athena, but only in a widescreen format. Meaning any bigger resolution and the Athena seems to strugle with lipsync and general performance/playback speed and skipped frames, right?
I did a small test converting 2 High definition movies into 640x368...not quite 480, but the end result was truly fab!!
It still looked high def...virtually filled the entire screen...or fills it depending what player you use...TCPMP is best or Coreplayer v1.1.1 looks a tad better, but no performance issues to complain about and absolutely minimul frames dropped.
But because I don't have the time for all that now, I simply settle for torrent downloads and play them directly via TCPMP or Coreplayer. And they look the nuts. Razor sharp.
Hope it works out for you.
P.S. The only benefit IMHO in using WMP10 and WMV (MP4-ASP) video files, is that it will be accelerated by the Imageon hardware decoder, but Coreplayer and TCPMP can use the Imageon software driver to accelerate all movie formats except WMV.
So in conclusion use WMP10 for WMV and the freeware TCPMP v0.71rc with all plug-ins available for everything else.
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you said you did two test in 640x368 what software did you use. thanks

mackaby007 said:
Hi spacecat.
They are not crap at all. As another member pointed out to you...it's all about the encoding.
DVD rips (like Axxo's torrent rips) look like HQ DVD's on my Athena, but only in a widescreen format. Meaning any bigger resolution and the Athena seems to strugle with lipsync and general performance/playback speed and skipped frames, right?
I did a small test converting 2 High definition movies into 640x368...not quite 480, but the end result was truly fab!!
It still looked high def...virtually filled the entire screen...or fills it depending what player you use...TCPMP is best or Coreplayer v1.1.1 looks a tad better, but no performance issues to complain about and absolutely minimul frames dropped.
But because I don't have the time for all that now, I simply settle for torrent downloads and play them directly via TCPMP or Coreplayer. And they look the nuts. Razor sharp.
Hope it works out for you.
P.S. The only benefit IMHO in using WMP10 and WMV (MP4-ASP) video files, is that it will be accelerated by the Imageon hardware decoder, but Coreplayer and TCPMP can use the Imageon software driver to accelerate all movie formats except WMV.
So in conclusion use WMP10 for WMV and the freeware TCPMP v0.71rc with all plug-ins available for everything else.
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im gonna look into it as im sure this can be improved but why does it struggle so much at 25 fps
on my psp i cn get 29.97 fps and razor sharp definition using AVC or PMPMOD with no dropped frames at all. Everyone i have ever shown my psp movies to are blown away by the picture quality. the Athena movies look grainy and pixellated in comparison
Im sure the Athena can do more but its a pain finding out

spacecat said:
im gonna look into it as im sure this can be improved but why does it struggle so much at 25 fps
on my psp i cn get 29.97 fps and razor sharp definition using AVC or PMPMOD with no dropped frames at all. Everyone i have ever shown my psp movies to are blown away by the picture quality. the Athena movies look grainy and pixellated in comparison
Im sure the Athena can do more but its a pain finding out
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The PSP was designed for multimedia exclusively. every last detail in this respect has been thought through. The Ameo serves a multitude of purposes and utilizes thirdparty software for a great deal of applications. With a few tweaks it works a treat, but its not the same thing. The PSP is an out of the box video and gaming solution and isnt really comparable. Try browsing effectively, typing a word document or sending a text or making a call on your PSP - that would impress your mates!

leoni1980 said:
The PSP was designed for multimedia exclusively. every last detail in this respect has been thought through. The Ameo serves a multitude of purposes and utilizes thirdparty software for a great deal of applications. With a few tweaks it works a treat, but its not the same thing. The PSP is an out of the box video and gaming solution and isnt really comparable. Try browsing effectively, typing a word document or sending a text or making a call on your PSP - that would impress your mates!
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I am not denying what you are saying but I would have thought that a brand new top of the range device costing 700 pounds woud be able to out perform a 2 year old device that you can now pick up for 100 pounds.
I am very happy with most aspects of my Athena its a great device for many things but for movies its quite poor.
I did a conversion in spb dvd at 640x336 as recommended but it was
still poor. The only one that has looked comparable was a 640x480
conversion at 25fps. it looked good but kept skipping frames.
also if you stopped it the player stopped working .TCPMP and CORE
if anyone has a definitive programme and settings for making near dvd quality movies without skipping I would be very interested to hear

spacecat said:
I am not denying what you are saying but I would have thought that a brand new top of the range device costing 700 pounds woud be able to out perform a 2 year old device that you can now pick up for 100 pounds.
I am very happy with most aspects of my Athena its a great device for many things but for movies its quite poor.
I did a conversion in spb dvd at 640x336 as recommended but it was
still poor. The only one that has looked comparable was a 640x480
conversion at 25fps. it looked good but kept skipping frames.
also if you stopped it the player stopped working .TCPMP and CORE
if anyone has a definitive programme and settings for making near dvd quality movies without skipping I would be very interested to hear
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I agree with you to a degree, although the Ameo is tied to the fact that it uses a generic OS (which automatically leaves it open to performance issue). The PSP on the other hand has an OS specifically designed for it.
I find that since i installed the HTC 001 rom i dont have any playback problems at all. I always select ATI Imageon rather than ATI imageon decoder, and also choose microdrive mode. it works for me

I just tried your settings , I was playing from the memory card
used the microdrive and the ati imageon MUCH MUCH better
no skipping . this was with a 640x336 clip .
I will see what a full 640x480 at 25fps can do tonite
cheers

here is what i use:
Player: TCPMP 0.81 with all plugins
Driver: ATi Imageon
Storage: Microdrive
Bitrate: 600kbps (benchmarked at 625, so 600 is safe )
Framerate: 25fps
Encoder: Divx 6.1
Quality: Insane
Audio: AC3, lowest bitrate etc
works a charm

Midget_1990 said:
here is what i use:
Player: TCPMP 0.81 with all plugins
Driver: ATi Imageon
Storage: Microdrive
Bitrate: 600kbps (benchmarked at 625, so 600 is safe )
Framerate: 25fps
Encoder: Divx 6.1
Quality: Insane
Audio: AC3, lowest bitrate etc
works a charm
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what prog do u use to encode the movies?

spacecat said:
what prog do u use to encode the movies?
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WinAVI, email me for a 'trial'

What's the status of the video performance of TyTN/Hermes?

Hi! I'm considering buying a HTC TyTN and have been reading about the problems with the video performance and the ATI Imageon drivers. One of the key things that I'm interested in using my TyTN for is watching video.
I have been browsing around on the forums, reading different threads and trying to assemble a picture of the current status of this. It wasn't that easy, however. My apologies is this question has been asked a million times already.
I've seen that many new ROM's for the TyTN includes an ATI imageon fix cab and that this together with TCPMP player should solve many of the previous problems with playing video.
Are the drivers for the Imageon-chip still poor or does this fix mean that the performance is basically as good as it gets?
What I wonder is how well does it work now? Will I be able to play for example "standard" TV-ripped videos in Xvid/Divx with decent performance? I would like to not have to do transcoding of the "standard crop" of video files. I guess that the TyTN should be able to play them at least "in theory"?
What are your assessments of the current situation?
Thanks in advance!

Imageon drivers can be flakey yes but there is a simple workaround.
Switch your Video player to use "Raw Framebuffer" instead. I've tested this with TCPMP and Coreplayer on the Stock Orange WM5 Rom and an upgraded WM6 Rom from here without issue.

I can play downloaded tv eps and films fine - I've been playing around with spb mobile dvd to convert them down to about a third of their original size and they play perfectly.
I'm using raw framebuffer mode in TCPMP with sleuths ati fix and it all works fine

Awesome, this is sounding better and better! Seems like I should be able to unlock the device as well. I think I'm gonna get me one of these babies

ATi playback .... using hardware acceleration has been working for AGES, make sure you have an up to date WM6 ROM and you should be fine.
Ive been using Coreplayer (yes its the payware bigger brother of TCPMP....bloody cheap for what you get) and the hardware based video playback ROCKS!
ID recommend buying coreplayer over using TCPMP any day, considering the price of a Hermes the small price for coreplayer is peanuts in comparison.

Interesting! What would you say are the big advantages with Coreplayer over TCPMP?
Better ATI hardware support, resulting in better video performance?

Diztinct said:
Interesting! What would you say are the big advantages with Coreplayer over TCPMP?
Better ATI hardware support, resulting in better video performance?
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Better ATi support, better looking skin, more functionality (storage card library system etc..) more support from the developers, free updates etc...
Totally worth buying.

Now I'm the happy owner of an HTC TyTN
I have SIM-unlocked it and upgraded to Pays WM6 2.05. Everything went fine after I had spent some time reading threads, the wiki and being nervous
I've been checking out Coreplayer and I've decided on buying it.
Now I just need the 8 GB MicroSD-card that I ordered.
I also plan on modding the included handsfree so that I get a 3,5mm jack for my favourite headphones.

Best video encoder settings?

I've searched but came up blank. Does anyone have an optimal setting to rip video for playback on the Advantage? I've tried a few settings and some didn't work at all, some playback with a stutter. I thought I'd see if anyone here has discovered a best setting.
I'm trying to play them back on pocket player or tcmp.

I'm using CorePlayer (it appears that it's actually using the ATI Imageon for hardware video acceleration) and am getting great results (smooth playback, almost no frames dropped) with H.264 at 25 or 29 FPS with 320x240 resolution, but TCPMP seems to play the files well too.

as most people here, i use Core player or TCPMP, depeniding on the ROM i'm using at the time.
But most common one i use is coreplayer 1.21.
DivX or Xvid encoding at between 600 & 750 kbps for the video, 128kbps aac or MP3 for the sound.
-0.200 delay on the audio in coreplayer/TCPMP and they are as smooth as butter.
Pisses the ipod touch owners at work off something rotten when they see the video on my athena!!

I use Pocket DVD for PPC & Palm at these settings:
Audio: 24 kbps, 22 KHz, Mono
Video: 512 kbps, 24 fps, 464X288
Never had any problem in any of my devices.
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hey cktlcmd,
using mono audio would really lose the 3d effect on movies, which imho is what most people want/expect nowadays. this is really a big plus on action movies.
anyway, just a thought.
ciao!

Hopefully just to add to this thread's question. At this point which one is preferred....Coreplayer (newer version) or TCPMP .7 or .8?

Kenjari said:
Hopefully just to add to this thread's question. At this point which one is preferred....Coreplayer (newer version) or TCPMP .7 or .8?
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For me, anytime it is coreplayer now. It lets you search and play youtube in very high quality without lag. Not to mention that it is also visually a lot more appealing.

Thanks for the reply eaglesteve. So why are there so many die hard TCPMP fans (I myself up until now)? Are there any advantages "at this point" that TCPMP have over its successor Core?

Kenjari said:
Thanks for the reply eaglesteve. So why are there so many die hard TCPMP fans (I myself up until now)? Are there any advantages "at this point" that TCPMP have over its successor Core?
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May be because one is free and the other is not.

Makes since. I guess when I became a fan, it was when Core was just released. Folks over at the Aximsite.com at the time explained that there were advantages that TCPMP had because it was still beta, "free", was able to add plugins, things that I was told Core didnt have on its first lauch.
I guess I never kept up with the improvement over the time.
BTW....thanks for your input. Last night I purchased Core....I'm excited to use later today. Would it be wise to get the Core Pro for desktop? I have been using the DVD Decrypt and AutoGK for my video conversions.

Concerned about Xvid playback, how bad is it?

Hope someone can offer me some advice. Video playback is very high on my priorities. I currently have an Omnia which is pretty flawless playing back DIVX or XVID encoded files. I am not interested in playing back High Def content, only xvid/divx avi files that I download such as TV and DVD Rips.
How good is the Touch HD with Coreplayer, I am pretty worried from all that I read about HTC/Qualcomm drivers not working properly and this is a deal breaker for me. I don't know if the Touch Pro 2 is the same, I know it has the same processor.
I have been out of contract for a couple of months and was waiting to get an Iphone but I will have to encode all my xvid files in order for them to play, at least until Coreplayer for Iphone is released. I was happy with my Omnia but I seem to have endless problems with getting programs working as they should and of course there is no official support on this site.
If video playback is ok for these type of files I may go for either the Diamond 2/Touch Pro 2 or Touch HD as they all seem to be a similiar spec.

Booo, DivX on HD
One of the main reasons I bought my Touch HD was for playing Divx. I have a couple of old Dell Axims which have been great but the attraction with the Touch HD was it was a phone aswell, GPS, bluetooth for the car and I could watch films on the train to work in high res still.
Actually, it's a bit rubbish in my opinion. The screen is amazing but you cannot use TCPMP that well as it judders too much. So you have to resort to using the pretty limited Coreplayer (no AC3 support which is annoying when you only realise after you have boarded your train to work!). No easy way of fast forwarding as you cannot program all the soft touch buttons. No easy way of raising / lowering the volume either.
Oh yes and it still skips and judders in Coreplayer unless you are watching a boring movie about paint drying as it has no movement on the screen.
I bet you will get a ton of positive responses but this is what I think. If you are still tempted after my rant about the HD then I would suggest trying it.
of course if you are interested in buying it then it is an amazing DivX player and works flawlessly.

I will second Damians post, although Rubbish might be a little harsh...
Like you I was very excited to basically just drop a couple of TV shows on the Storage Card without any interaction and start playing them on my way to work but it didn't take long to realize that was merely a dream...
I consider myself being picky about quality and as of now the quality in such a setup is not watchable. At the moment I encode with Super and then transfer to Storage Card (got it setup fairly automatic with MobSync). I am holding on with hopes of better compatibility from CorePlayer (support for the chip), a better player or any other major breakthrough in the issue since I do think that for me there is no phone on the market that can beat the incredible screen... that I believe was made for watching media such as described.... sigh...
On a small note.... I had the Diamond2 to compare (benchmarked and simple visual comparison) side by side and though benchmarking exceeds the Touch HD (HD: 75-90% vs D2: 105-120%) as well as the visual appearence.... the screen really is a major difference that might be worth waiting for a better HD solution...
2 cents... signed and delivered...
//Nik

Thanks for the advice. I was hoping for something more positive re playback but you more or less just confirmed what I thought. I think I'm going to go for the new Iphone this summer if I need to convert files anyway.

I havn't found it too bad to be honest (and I'm another perfectionist). I was annoyed for weeks and spent ages scanning this forum and different options, but as it stands, on the newest stock rom (which only uses up 29% of ROM), using SDcard tune-up, and the best options in Coreplayer (turning sound to mono-join etc), I get no skips in films or TV shows. I'm perfectly happy with it, although I do make sure to check the videos play once I've dropped them on (and 8 out 10 of thousands of Divx/Xvid/Avis from loads of sources work on the box).
So 8/10 for me. I'll try to provide more info if you need.

There is a tool, called "HTC Touch HD Video Converter", just search the forum. Works very fast, esp. on two core machines. In my opinion, this is the best converter, every movie i've converted with this tool runs just gorgeous on my touch HD using the built-in player Album. No delays, no sound issues at all - just like it should be, smooth and the picture is brilliant.
I used different converters and I don't know what's so special about this one but it just works, other didn't (in my case). I was kinda disappointed with the touch HD, videos didn't run smoothly, I even wanted to buy the ipod touch, before I used this tool.

here we go
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112

meddleuk said:
was waiting to get an Iphone but I will have to encode all my xvid files in order for them to play
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I think this information is'nt correct. You have tried out the free vxflash from Cydia store? You should be able to play divx, xvid, and flv files directly with iPhone with no conversion.
See http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=3895

smeddy said:
I havn't found it too bad to be honest (and I'm another perfectionist). I was annoyed for weeks and spent ages scanning this forum and different options, but as it stands, on the newest stock rom (which only uses up 29% of ROM), using SDcard tune-up, and the best options in Coreplayer (turning sound to mono-join etc), I get no skips in films or TV shows. I'm perfectly happy with it, although I do make sure to check the videos play once I've dropped them on (and 8 out 10 of thousands of Divx/Xvid/Avis from loads of sources work on the box).
So 8/10 for me. I'll try to provide more info if you need.
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Would you mind sharing your config.xml located in Application Data/CorePlayer?
(...or specify your settings manually, but I think above would be easier)
I feel like I've tried all possible settings with no success. It would be greatly appreciated!
//Nik

I was also very excited when i finally got my Touch HD, espacially for watching TV series like you guys. 3 hours on the train is not bearable without some kind of entertainment . Well at first i also was very frustrated cause i am one of those people that instantly pick up jerky movement in a movie or when the sound lags just a few frames behind. Ever tried watching 4:3 content on a 16:9 tv, but stretched? Everytime i see something like that, i feel the urge to cry But there are many people that do not pick up such things.
Got a bit offtopic here, sorry. What i wanted to say is, i got accustomed to the slight jerky movement while watching something. The luxury of being able to pull out your phone, attach your headset and simply watch something while on the train, the bus or somewhere else, simply outweighs the not so fluent playback. As already mentioned the display is absolutely gorgeous. This is of course my oppinion. Using coreplayer on Topix 2.1.

Hey I've uploaded it (as a text file). For this, anything xvid, avi, divx, mpg etc. just seems to work (well, 9 out of 10 files, ranging from 174mb TV shows to 1gb movies).
Will be interested to know your thoughts or offer any further feedback,

Another thumbs up for Projections Video Encoding GUI - films I've converted are very smooth and audio and video are all in sync. A great app.

Try this program too. It'll help you find and open your video files with the HTC Album. Click on the link for more details.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=520604

Hi, I tried TCPMP and then Coreplayer to play standard resolution Divx files. With coreplayer I get very good results after increasing the buffer it uses for video and audio.
I'm using regular Divx or xvid movies, with MP3 audio. I'm using episodes from House M.D. for example, in high definition, and they look perfectly good. A movie like Terminator, with high movement, a lot of explosions, etc, is more difficult to handle. But overall I'm satisfied with what you get with the correct software and settings.
Unfortunately I have come to realize after trying several devices and hundreds of programs that Windows Mobile programming is still on it's infancy and 95% of the programmers cannot reach an aceptable level of ussability. I'm tired of big slow programs, that cannot display the simplest of 2D screen while in others you can pan or zoom a photo fast, or display video full screen at 20 - 25 fps. That shows you that the hardware is capable of fast processing and screen redraw, just most programs are too big and too slow.