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Wizard bodies - interchangable?

I was able to find a phone number to one of HTC's North American offices (here in Houston, no less) and I understand you can order things like stylus' (would it be styli?) and other accessories. I am hoping they sell replacement housings for the Wizard - that is, the plastic external shell.
My question is, are the various shells interchangable? Can I place an MDA body on an 8125? I would very much like to switch back and forth now and then - I like both the devices' form factors a lot!
The keyboard seems configured differently. I am not sure if this is a matter of external housing, or in the touch sensors are actually in different places on the internal membrane.
Thanks in advance - any info is greatly appreciated.

I would like to know that myself. I want to change the housing for my Qtek 9100 to the 8125s housing (little more masculine and protects the camera a little better - mine's all scratched up and the pictures have a slight blur to them now), but I noticed that the housing and things are a bit different in size and positioning. Anyone know?

I can tell you for a fact (unless HTC America lied to me) that they don't part out their systems and sell complete replacement housings.
Which sucks.

Different models
(This is as I recall, please correct me if I'm inaccurate.)
The Wizard T-mobile uses for their US MDA is the Model 200. Cingular uses the Model 100. Cases and bezels are definitely not interchangable, due to different button shape and position.
Sorry for the bad news.

tynt with integrated gps

I cant beleive the trinity will not have a keyboard. This still leaves on my quest to find the perfect device. Instead of waiting for HTC i decided to do some looking around. I found this gps receiver. http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/holux-gr240.php . I was wondering if it would be possible to input this inside the tytns casing. Its been a while since my electrical courses but i think the logic would handle the power issue if we got rid of the battery and just piggybacked it off the tytns board.It even has a slider switch so it would be easy to input it somehwere out of the housing. has anyone ever opened up a tytn and seen if theres any space to fit the gps anteena and the baord. any comments?

benfica88 said:
I cant beleive the trinity will not have a keyboard. This still leaves on my quest to find the perfect device. Instead of waiting for HTC i decided to do some looking around. I found this gps receiver. http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/holux-gr240.php . I was wondering if it would be possible to input this inside the tytns casing. Its been a while since my electrical courses but i think the logic would handle the power issue if we got rid of the battery and just piggybacked it off the tytns board.It even has a slider switch so it would be easy to input it somehwere out of the housing. has anyone ever opened up a tytn and seen if theres any space to fit the gps anteena and the baord. any comments?
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hi, not opend my tytn yet...
but i dont think theres any space free...
not so much like the platine and the cabels and the antenne needs...
maybe when there is an big accupack available like von the vpa compact 2 with a bigger accucover then you have space...

I was looking at the 8525, it's rumored to have the front camera removed, maybe some space opened up there...

Guys, come on!
Some of the best new GPS receivers are TINY!
I've got a GlobalSat BT359, and you could velcro attach it to the back of your TyTN. It wouldn't look any bigger than a phone with an extended battery. BTW, I didn't choose the BT359 for size (rather for performance). I'll bet you can find smaller still...

goestoeleven said:
Guys, come on!
Some of the best new GPS receivers are TINY!
I've got a GlobalSat BT359, and you could velcro attach it to the back of your TyTN. It wouldn't look any bigger than a phone with an extended battery. BTW, I didn't choose the BT359 for size (rather for performance). I'll bet you can find smaller still...
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Ya, but I don't want to velcro it there. I want my phone to still fit in my leather holster. If we can get it onto the board you also don't have to worry about charging to devices as the gps will piggyback power off of the tytn.

Good luck with that!

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I've done a lot harder projects than this!

Well, in case anyone is still paying attention to this, ive gotten one step closer to maybe getting this to work. I ordered a gpslim 240 and checked out it guts. Ive succesfully got it to run off a k-jam battery. My concerns were the voltage being 3.7 to 3.3 on the gps. Everything works out fine and the logic on the board seems to handle evrything else. The only problem so far is stuffing it into the case. i opened up my k-jam case and there seems to be some room in there,but im waiting for the 8525 to test. I tried to get it in my buddys 6700 but there is no room in there at all. Hopefully the tytn is more like the k-jam and some space is availble. Hopefully all said and done with removing the stock gps battery and stuffing it into the tytn board, there will be only one device to carry and charge.

Remember to take pictures while you are doing all this!
It will make me cringe to see a tytn pulled apart like this but I see want to see it

yup,plan on taking lots.just need cingular release the 8525 already! i would feel more comfortable doing this with insurance.

you are joking about the insurance aren't you? there is no way an insurance company would ever pay out if you broke your phone whilst trying to mod it. Unless of course you're thinking of "losing" the phone should it break.

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you are joking about the insurance aren't you? there is no way an insurance company would ever pay out if you broke your phone whilst trying to mod it. Unless of course you're thinking of "losing" the phone should it break.
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exactly... ive never had insurance before, but apperently this is one of the best benefits of the program that im mising out on.

8525 Camera
The 8525 has the front camera covered up by the faceplate -- the camera itself is still there, just hidden. They also disable it in their ROM...
(At least that's the case when it comes to the 8525 I saw last week -- we stuck a pocketknife blade under the adhesive metallic faceplate and peeled it up a little)
So.. you're not gaining any extra space under there for a GPS receiver.

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exactly... ive never had insurance before, but apperently this is one of the best benefits of the program that im mising out on.
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Unfortunately, Cingular doesn't offer insurance on PDA phones. You'd have to go with a third party company like SafeWare or your homeowners/renters insurance.

Wow, this would be very cool indeed!
I guess with the 8525, if the front camera is disabled anyway, you could just remove it yourself and free up some space for the gps unit. I own a vario II with the front cam enabled, but if i could replace it for a GPS i'll readily do it.
Good luck & keep us posted!

Breaking news on GPS capabilities: The TyTN is verified to have a Qualcomm MSM6275 radio chip. Here's a quote from Dr. Sanjay K. Jha, executive vice president and president of QUALCOMM CDMA Technologies with regards to the MSM6275:
...This integrated solution also includes support for QUALCOMM's gpsOne(R) position location technology....
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What is gpsOne? Here:
http://www.cdmatech.com/products/gpsone.jsp
Now for the kicker. The MSM6275 is one of the most advanced GPS enabled radio chips that Qualcomm makes. It has fast satellite acquisition, standalone mode and enhanced navigation support built in. Here's the datasheet describing this:
http://www.cdmatech.com/products/gpsone.jsp
The relevant table is on the last page.

jmat said:
The 8525 has the front camera covered up by the faceplate -- the camera itself is still there, just hidden. They also disable it in their ROM...
(At least that's the case when it comes to the 8525 I saw last week -- we stuck a pocketknife blade under the adhesive metallic faceplate and peeled it up a little)
So.. you're not gaining any extra space under there for a GPS receiver.
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hmm...do you think this could only be pre-production models? I could always remove the camera, seems it would be a while before its widespread over here
Unfortunately, Cingular doesn't offer insurance on PDA phones. You'd have to go with a third party company like SafeWare or your homeowners/renters insurance.
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Crap, ill juts have to be more careful!
And in terms of the qualcomm chip, from what ive seen there no antenna in the tytn. So is this traditonal gps,agps, or something new?

@benfica88: see the latest comments in this thread, it is being discussed / researched over here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279151

Had accident, smashed speaker, need new one

Hi all,
I had an accident and fell flat down to the ground with my TyTN in the belt pocket, exactly between my hip bone and the ground.
Now I have some more cosmetic plastic issues, but this would be acceptable. The bad thing is the Mail button is like a "sensor key" now, but works. The really bad thing is, the plastic speaker item inside (connected to the toppoly board, the speaker where the sound during calls comes out) is completely smashed and there's no more sound.
Since the rest is perfectly well, no screen damage (and no wrong alignments!!!) I would like to keep this phone but need a new speaker.
Could you guys help me to find such a speaker? The only part number on it is
501E6234A . It is a white plastic part, two gold connectors on the board side, a metal cover (now smashed) and a membrane on between the cover. You can see it on the attached pic, it's the white plastic rectangle in the middle.
Any help would be very much appreciated!
Thanks in advance and greetings from Munich,
Torben

Hi Torben...
Did you ever find a replacement speaker? I have the same problem as you and need one
Thanks

Hey Fallingonion,
I am sorry, but I don't have any good news... I was in contact with a German company that usually repairs all kind of mobile phones for sales companies. They told me since the device is still too new they haven't received any replacement parts yet. The only way to have it repaired would be sending it in to HTC.
I did that in December and am still waiting for it to come back - and what it will cost.
How did you break your phone?
Torben

I've seen a few parted out Hermes on ebay - you might try that.

Hey lacroixdp,
thanks for this hint, too bad it's too late for me - but maybe Fallingonion can get a new speaker from there.
Greetings,
Torben

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Hey lacroixdp,
thanks for this hint, too bad it's too late for me - but maybe Fallingonion can get a new speaker from there.
Greetings,
Torben
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I've done some digging around, and may have found a suitable alternative It looks like the Motorola L6 / L7 might use the same part...
I figured the speaker would not be unique to the TyTN - some other phone or PDA must use the same one - so I went looking for disassembly instructions for other phones in the hope that they might show the same speaker.
If you check Step 9 in this pdf you can see what looks like the same earpiece speaker (even though it looks like they may have unfortunately damaged it during removal - you can see the metal face plate is still attached to the front of the phone.) What do you think?
I've ordered one to see if it fits - I'll let you know what I find
I didn't actually break mine - I bought one from eBay, only to find that the earpiece distorted if you turned the volume up So I took it apart and found that the metal shield on the front of the speaker was dented slightly - I guess enough for the speaker membrane to hit it.
If the Motorola speaker works, maybe you can get your phone back from HTC before they charge you a fortune?

Wow, yes, definitely looks the same - I simply cannot say anything about the actual size.
Let me know what comes out - too bad I already sent mine in for a repair! I doubt I can still get it back without a repair :-(
I am curious though anyway
Torben

kic said:
Wow, yes, definitely looks the same - I simply cannot say anything about the actual size.
Let me know what comes out - too bad I already sent mine in for a repair! I doubt I can still get it back without a repair :-(
I am curious though anyway
Torben
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I'll let you know as soon as I get it - hopefully it will be soon

kic said:
Wow, yes, definitely looks the same - I simply cannot say anything about the actual size.
Let me know what comes out - too bad I already sent mine in for a repair! I doubt I can still get it back without a repair :-(
I am curious though anyway
Torben
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Difficult to say if this the TyTn front speaker (earpiece) is identical to the one shown in Motorola PDF, might well function ok even if specs are slightly different though. In terms of delicate electronics were at the ironmongery end of the scale here!!!
Mike

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Difficult to say if this the TyTn front speaker (earpiece) is identical to the one shown in Motorola PDF, might well function ok even if specs are slightly different though. In terms of delicate electronics were at the ironmongery end of the scale here!!!
Mike
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That's what I'm hoping, Mike
The speaker in your photos looks exactly like the one in the TyTN - are they of the TyTN earpiece or the Motorola one?
EDIT by Mike - The pictures above are of the TYTN fron speaker/earpiece. And we now know the Motorola L6/L7 does work as a replacement.

I know that it is a complete offtopic ... but this is the reason why I use the aluminium case for my Vario II it just saves lifes ..

Just as an update - the replacement Motorola speaker that I was sent works fine
It was not a perfect match for the old one - it was necessary to slightly bend the contacts outwards to make sure that they made proper contact with the pads on the circuit board - but other than that replacement was simple. Sound quality of the new speaker is fine, and seems a bit louder than the original, although I could be imagining that
In case anyone else has the same problem, the only place in the UK that I could find advertising the necessary part was Phatphones (see "Speaker/Earpiece for Motorola L6/L7" on this page.) The part was quite expensive compared to other replacement speakers, but as I said it was the only one available.
Cheers all -

When your speaker out of order, did you try to using the orignal headset? I have the same accident as you did. But ,There is no sound at all.I try to using the orignal headset, but still don't work. I am not sure , if it is the speaker problem or the sound IC problem. Now. I can only using the Bluetooth headset.

Considering getting an M3100 off eBay...is it still worth it?

I have a Wizard (XDA Mini S) and O2's Trion doesn't seem to be to appealing seeing as how much it could cost me (not to mention lock me into another contract).
After poking around on eBay, I see M3100s going for 50 to 150++ and it is very tempting to get one as Kaiser seems far off. To my knowledge the M3100 has autofocus (some like the Qtek one don't?) and I also like the black body and key layout (no other reason for this specific variant).
I am just curious whether or not it's still worth going for one (if I can get it on the cheap) and what is drawing me to the hermes over the wizard (I love the keyboard and the rest of it):
- 3G
- Speed (apparently the samsung can be overclocked?)
- Better camera (Wizard's lack of macro makes it a pain to photograph chip markings)
- Jog dial
The nice to have GPS and FM radio are hard to find and the Kaiser will have a high markup (I am not looking for the latest and greatest right now as I waiting for something newer before I drop a lot of dough). So will the Hermes suit me and will an investment of around 100 pounds be a sound one (is it too much and also seeing as I can unlock it myself...I should have no problems right?)
One thing bugging me is the screen alignment issue but if it's a recent one I doubt it should be there and warranty for stuff off eBay (how do I deal with this?)?

Well worth it
The alignment issue is not persistent in all devices, I've just had my Vario II replaced and there is not sign of it so far (touch wood).
When the issue was there it was bareable...
Also worth baring in mind that the Vario II/ 3100 is still less than 12 months on the market, so it would be under manufacturers warranty = just walk in the shop and let them sort it out....
Personally It's a cracking unit, and if you can get a good deal off e-bay it'll last you a long time.
Personally I wish I'd found this forum sooner as I've been a long time smartphone/ pocket PC owner, there are loads of excellent resources here mate.
UPDATE:
MDA Vario II @ 400MHz (no over-clocking for me thx)
WM6-Professional (CE OS 5.2.968 (Build 17736.0.2.0)
ROM 3.23.0.2
Radio 1.40.30.00
HERM300

I have been looking around a fair bit but I'm a little lost why some eBay sellers say the Vodafone V1605 doesn't do 3G sims. I know it supposedly needs a firmware update to get HSDPA but except that is there any issue with the 3G uSIM?
Has the Hermes really been on the market for under 12 months? It feels like I've seen it around for ages. The one thing pushing me towards the M3100 is the color (really don't want another siliver one) as I said but I can't seem to find a detailed list of differences between the various models (checked wiki and there's no mention of the 3G thing above or for that matter differences in camera if at all).
Funny thing is, I'm normally the type to patiently wait and then buy something but after going on eBay, that patience has vanished...also the numerous v1605 units going on the cheap are pretty tempting. I will also probably end up buying a black silicone case as well so I'm not too sure if the color will be a major issue.

There are no real differences between any of the variants. The camera is the same, the processor is the same, etc etc.
Yes the 3100 is the best looking one. I would go for it.

Thanks for the heads up but the M3100s seem fairly pricey (at least most start high...) maybe I'll strike a deal somewhere...some how. Oh well, keep looking...44 items being watched on eBay

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To my knowledge the M3100 has autofocus (some like the Qtek one don't?)
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No autofocus on either, afaik. It does have the lens slider to switch to macro though.
The camera is "okay". I recently took it on a skiing holiday where it got completely confused with the white balance and all the pictures came up with a very strong blue tint.
In general use, apart from exposure issues when there is high contrast and the flash being near-useless (I'm sure it's mistimed with the exposure), it takes a reasonable picture. Certainly no substitute for a dedicated camera though, imo.

Just got one
Hey i recently[09/04/07] got an Orange SPV M3100 + 2GB card + BT gps + extra screeen protector + cradle + extra battery for 240 quid (pounds sterling) including first class next day shipping off Ebay UK. Unfournately i recieved a unit with the screen allingnment issue and was totally unware about it being a common problem till i read you post... anyways still love the device and if your in a area that recieves HSPDA coverage its well worth it!
Yes black does feel very sleek, compared to my silver vario !
UPDATE [ i am reading the wiki and working on my options ]

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No autofocus on either, afaik. It does have the lens slider to switch to macro though.
The camera is "okay". I recently took it on a skiing holiday where it got completely confused with the white balance and all the pictures came up with a very strong blue tint.
In general use, apart from exposure issues when there is high contrast and the flash being near-useless (I'm sure it's mistimed with the exposure), it takes a reasonable picture. Certainly no substitute for a dedicated camera though, imo.
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Aww man, the autofocus thing would be handy but well, macro shots are little important to me and as for dedicated camera, I don't have one on me right now but looking at what some people have taken, I doubt I'll be complaining about it for now. If it beats my wizard, I'm sold.
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Hey i recently[09/04/07] got an Orange SPV M3100 + 2GB card + BT gps + extra screeen protector + cradle + extra battery for 240 quid (pounds sterling) including first class next day shipping off Ebay UK. Unfournately i recieved a unit with the screen allingnment issue and was totally unware about it being a common problem till i read you post... anyways still love the device and if your in a area that recieves HSPDA coverage its well worth it!
Yes black does feel very sleek, compared to my silver vario !
UPDATE [ i am reading the wiki and working on my options ]
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Well some of the sellers don't reveal the serials...at least I've had no luck and mind you, I'm trying to score one for under 100 - because I can't just spend and spend (have one wizard housing and silicone case on the way). Based on the fact that all these M3100s/V1605 are supposed to be under warranty, a walk into Orange/Vodafone should resolve such issues, However one thing I am hesitant about is how do I register the phone under my name once I acquire it?
Also does the GPS in the radio chip stand any chance of working? I've seen the the engineering thread and based on the pin setup (the fact that pins are tied to ground and such to disable the GPS portion) of the hermes, it doesn't sound practical but on the other hand I've seen one or two odd posts that it is only a crippled antenna.

Buy it already!
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Also does the GPS in the radio chip stand any chance of working? I've seen the the engineering thread and based on the pin setup (the fact that pins are tied to ground and such to disable the GPS portion) of the hermes, it doesn't sound practical but on the other hand I've seen one or two odd posts that it is only a crippled antenna.
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Got my v1605 for 175 quids, sim-free.
I wouldn't bother too much about the GPS hype, it isn't worth the trouble.. No screen alignment issues for me. Used the stock ROM for a couple of weeks and upgraded to numerous roms since.
Currently on Black v2.0 (WM6) and lovin' it. Yes, the TyTn is indeed a wise choice. I live in an area with full HSDPA coverage and I have since disconnected my ASDL broadband service (HSDPA seems to be wayyyyy faster).
I have push e-mail and other pop-access accounts. This device is indispensable for me as I travel a whole lot.
Cheers from Frankfurt.

175 from where? I know my price point maybe a little low but since it's eBay, I suppoe there's a chance but I do see some of them who have one bidder raise the price 3 times or more in a row (i.e from 50 pounds to 150) and now that bothers me.

AsGF2MX said:
Well some of the sellers don't reveal the serials...at least I've had no luck and mind you, I'm trying to score one for under 100 - because I can't just spend and spend (have one wizard housing and silicone case on the way). Based on the fact that all these M3100s/V1605 are supposed to be under warranty, a walk into Orange/Vodafone should resolve such issues, However one thing I am hesitant about is how do I register the phone under my name once I acquire it?
Hey with regards to the warranty issue, i am gona have a go at it (since i am experiencing the sreen alightment issue). I will message my ebay seller and ask him if he can spare me the original reciept so i can possibly make a warranty claim at a orange shop, dont know if its gona work though.
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Now this is an issue, how does one register a change of ownership of the handset? Well I am looking forward to you updating this thread with what info you get and also what did Orange say?

no reciept
AsGF2MX said:
Now this is an issue, how does one register a change of ownership of the handset? Well I am looking forward to you updating this thread with what info you get and also what did Orange say?
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Sorry the ebay seller wasnt kind enough to send me the receipt or he may have "Lost" it. Did follow the steps of loosening screws and the screen alignment issue is much better now

Has anyone seen something like this? (car holder w/charger)

This one is for 8525/TyTN. Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Car-Holder-Moun...ryZ35193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Just wondering if anyone has seen something like this for TyTN II/Tilt. I wonder if this will work with the Tilt. Tilt and 8525 seem almost identical (physically).

i've got both phones in front of me and if this fits the Hermes, it'll fit the Tilt.

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i've got both phones in front of me and if this fits the Hermes, it'll fit the Tilt.
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dont think it will, go the powered brodit holder for the hermes, and yes i can get my kaiser in it, its marginly out, so theres a lot of stress on the usb port!

sherpa said:
This one is for 8525/TyTN. Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Car-Holder-Moun...ryZ35193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Be careful if you go this route -- I bought one of these for my old Qtek 9100. It worked for a couple of months, then the speaker stopped working. There were loose & broken traces on the internal printed circuit board, and more than a few cold solder joints -- the worst build quality I've ever seen.

I bought a nice cradle for my Apache from Seido. It wasn't cheap by any means, but it was very well built. I'm hoping they come out with something similar for the Kaiser.
Here's the 6700 version : http://www.seidioonline.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=298
If anybody comes across one for the Kaiser, please post. I also am looking for a solution.