Hello all, this is my 1st post on these forums. They are great BTW. Anyway I have a question about radio roms. I've read through the wiki and I've read various posts in here about Radio version: 1.40.30.00, so far from what I've seen a lot of people like and recommend this version. So I successfully flashed to the newest retail firmware from AT&T the 04/09/07 release. I love the PDA features of the phone, but voice call/SMS connectivity is craptacular at best.
I recently upgraded from the 8125 and I never had any problems at all with voice call or SMS connectivity on my old phone. Performance wise it feels like the 8525 is a downgrade. I can hardly receive phone calls/texts from my house, and I can't make calls/texts at all. In fact I have to go get on the highway to get any kind of signal. That was never the case in this area before.
Here's my question. Is there perhaps a Radio Rom fix that I have missed, or do you think that I should swap the phone out (I have 15 days left) at the store? I was considering downgrading to a previous firmware version so I could get an earlier Radio Rom, but I don't know if that is a proper solution, or if I can do so without bricking my phone.
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OK, so if I read what you're saying correctly, the original ROM/radio worked fine? I'm guessing the radio version was 1.16.00.00, which you can technically flash independently. There are also several radio versions in between, all of which can be found here.
That said, bear in mind that monkeying with the radio is the riskiest thing you can do in terms of bricking your device (because the CID "lives" there and if it becomes corrupt, you're "bricked"). Normally the advisable thing to do would be to install Hard-SPL to guard against this, but if you think you may have to cash in on your warranty the safest thing to do might be to downgrade the entire ROM to the original as installing anything "non-factory" will void your warranty. Or, since you've done nothing to void your warranty thus far, you could leave it as is, it in to Cingular and complain.
The current factory ROMs can be found here. My guess would be that yours shipped with 1.34.502.1.
Good luck!
Thx for the advice, I just installed Hard SPL and Flashed Radio:1.41.00.10 and the reception seemed a little bit better, but I still have to go out to the highway to do anything. I think I'm going to put one of the old retail roms back on and loose the Hermes. I may get a Cheetah instead, my wife has one of those and her call reception is great. Plus the threaded SMS is a selling point.
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Thx for the advice, I just installed Hard SPL and Flashed Radio:1.41.00.10 and the reception seemed a little bit better, but I still have to go out to the highway to do anything. I think I'm going to put one of the old retail roms back on and loose the Hermes. I may get a Cheetah instead, my wife has one of those and her call reception is great. Plus the threaded SMS is a selling point.
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If you want to give it a go, I had better luck with 1.40 than with 1.41 for Cingular. The 1.40 radio is specifically a Cingular release. You may want to try that one before abandoning the device, although I am not sure any radio will make a monumental difference. Surprising that the difference between the 8125 and 8525 would be that big.
The 1.40 was the one that I had initially. On HTC's site the 4/09/07 firmware shipped with 1.40, and it's the one that I've been using since I got the phone. I don't think that it's the Radio ROM anymore, I think that it's the device in this area. I just don't want to swap it out for a new one and confirm that it is the device in this area. Then I'll be stuck with a $500.00 PDA with no usable phone.
Lol I was shocked 'bout that too... the 8125 was incredible compared to the 8525 reception wise.
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Hi all,
First, apologies for posting a thread about something that gets asked an awful lot. However, I've never seen a definitive answer.
Which is the best radio version for phone (GSM/GPRS) signal strength? I'm currently using 1.09, and a while ago tried (IIRC) 1.12 but found it gave me a worse signal. I was wondering if any of the newer radio stacks were better, and, regarding the WM6 ones, whether I would need to do a complete reflash to use them or if I could keep my WM5 rom.
If it makes any difference, I'm on Orange in the UK.
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Hi all,
First, apologies for posting a thread about something that gets asked an awful lot. However, I've never seen a definitive answer.
Which is the best radio version for phone (GSM/GPRS) signal strength? I'm currently using 1.09, and a while ago tried (IIRC) 1.12 but found it gave me a worse signal. I was wondering if any of the newer radio stacks were better, and, regarding the WM6 ones, whether I would need to do a complete reflash to use them or if I could keep my WM5 rom.
If it makes any difference, I'm on Orange in the UK.
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Unfortunately, there is no definitive answer - hence the debates. There seems to be very great variability across locations and carriers. I won't refer you to all the threads where people have come up with different results because there are so many!
Sometimes even people on the same carrier seem to get different results (eg I am on U2 in the UK and find 1.14.1 / 1.09 the best whereas others on O2 UK found 1.13 the best). There may also be a difference between G3 and G4 handsets (although I'm not sure if anyone has looked into that in any way).
The answer is probably that you will have to try them and see what happens. IMHO there is usually a trade-off in signal strength, reliability (eg with direct push) etc - for example on 1.14.1 I get the best reception but under 2.01.08 WWE I occasionally had problems with Direct Push (which I don't use very often). I have less reception on 1.09 but more stability with DP.
Hope that helps at least a little!
I think 1.13 is the best
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I think 1.13 is the best
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Yes I agree. Just downgraded from 1.14. Results are encouraging....no hangups.
From my experience, I have received better battery life, reception and speed with the .23 radio, since upgraded the spl with haykuro's new one, I have been a bit afraid to downgrade the radio on my phone (running Ion as of today, amazing!). I was wondering if I am the only one who experienced this? And yeah, I did search the forums, however, the thread that was previously up could not be continued as it was no longer a valid link (found the google cache of it).
For those that have tried the .23 radio, what build are you using? Also, can the radio affect applications? I know that from my WinMo days it could, and obviously from our experience with the new spl, it can also in here, but what about the .23 radio with 1.5 ROMs?
What are your experiences with the differences in the sapphire (.23) radio and the newer .26I one? If that thread before was locked or removed and that is the reason why the link is no longer valid, I apologize to the mods and you can lock this thread, I just wanted to continue the discussion on this topic, as if we are getting better reception and battery life from a different radio, why take a step back?
-Brandon
I had the radio 23 on my device and the bluetooth in my car doesn't work with the Dream.. I saw the contacts list, I could receive a call, but I was not able to make a call at all... After upgrading to the new radio everithing goes well, and now bluetooth works correctly! so IMHO the new radio is far better than the old one!
Where to download .23 radio? Links on Haykuros site is not working so there might be some trouble with it?
New radio is great if your in a 3g area I think those of us in EDGE can agree it kills battery very fast I have gone back to .23 radio as I get much better battery life in my EDGE are.
I'm looking around and can't find the .23 radio. Do you have a link?
Here ya go uploaded just for you...
http://rapidshare.com/files/238547044/Radio_Sapphire_2_22_19_23.zip
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New radio is great if your in a 3g area I think those of us in EDGE can agree it kills battery very fast I have gone back to .23 radio as I get much better battery life in my EDGE are.
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i'm in an EDGE area -- 26I seems to have increased my battery life.
maybe it does different things on different handsets?!
With .23, I was always in 3G but my wifi wont work with .23. With .26, I am always switching back and forth between 3G, edge, and GPRS but wifi works fine. I have both radios on my sd and flash between the two frequently just because I'm not sure which one I like better.
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With .23, I was always in 3G but my wifi wont work with .23. With .26, I am always switching back and forth between 3G, edge, and GPRS but wifi works fine. I have both radios on my sd and flash between the two frequently just because I'm not sure which one I like better.
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Agreed. .26 always has me switching all the time and it's pretty annoying. Makes the Market a real pain.
I also like .23 A LOT better since it was significantly faster; unfortunately .26I will be required for Hero and it's required for 6.0r1 so I'm stuck with it
It maybe required for hero but I doubt it. It is not in anyway require for 6.01 as I was using 6.01 and went back to 5.02 and im still using older radio.
Based on what I know about radios from PPC side a radio will never be requirement for rom SPL is a whole nother story and radio maybe required to flash certain SPL. Rom should not require certain radio though.
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It maybe required for hero but I doubt it. It is not in anyway require for 6.01 as I was using 6.01 and went back to 5.02 and im still using older radio.
Based on what I know about radios from PPC side a radio will never be requirement for rom SPL is a whole nother story and radio maybe required to flash certain SPL. Rom should not require certain radio though.
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Interesting, though it makes a lot of sense, I don't know why I always thought the two were inclusive. Wasn't there something about the new SPL bricking non .26I phones?
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With .23, I was always in 3G but my wifi wont work with .23. With .26, I am always switching back and forth between 3G, edge, and GPRS but wifi works fine. I have both radios on my sd and flash between the two frequently just because I'm not sure which one I like better.
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i used to live in RI, and the new radio was great. I has 3g all the time. i moved to miami last week, and all day i go from 3g-edge-gprs. i called t mo and they said there's nothing they can do.
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i used to live in RI, and the new radio was great. I has 3g all the time. i moved to miami last week, and all day i go from 3g-edge-gprs. i called t mo and they said there's nothing they can do.
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Where in Miami? I get 3G 90% of the time all over Miami (Downtown, Coral Gables, Kendall, West Kendall, South Miami). My only EDGE areas are a little zone between Brickel and Little Havana / Coconut Grove.
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Where in Miami? I get 3G 90% of the time all over Miami (Downtown, Coral Gables, Kendall, West Kendall, South Miami). My only EDGE areas are a little zone between Brickel and Little Havana / Coconut Grove.
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I'm in Miami and I get 3G, Edge, etc switching all the time as well. Very disappointed in Tmob down here. It's especially bad around Sunset/87th ave area.
Im in Jupiter and I only get edge and wifi..... :/
I am still running original Cupcake. Is it sufficient to use a Goldcard to flash different Radios? Or do I need Root and/or a different SPL?
I have BT issues with original Cupcake Radio .26I, so need a different Radio.
thx
I am considering buying the Telstra HD2 via a buddy in Oz for use on AT&Ts network. I have been checking out the forums and it seems there are a ton of issues with the HD2 regarding touch screen failures, data connection issues, and other nags that make the experience more frustrating than enjoyable.
Would love to know from experienced users opinions on whether or not I should buy the HD2. I am a very experienced BlackBerry user but I have gotten bored with the UI and want to try something new.
Also to note: I plan to use my next ATT upgrade to get the WP7 phone but that is too long a wait to stick it out on the BB. I am not going to switch to TMob as I think I am the only ATT user that is satisfied with ATT.
Really any thoughts on why I should or should not buy the Telstra HD2 would be appreciated.
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I am considering buying the Telstra HD2 via a buddy in Oz for use on AT&Ts network. I have been checking out the forums and it seems there are a ton of issues with the HD2 regarding touch screen failures, data connection issues, and other nags that make the experience more frustrating than enjoyable.
Would love to know from experienced users opinions on whether or not I should buy the HD2. I am a very experienced BlackBerry user but I have gotten bored with the UI and want to try something new.
Also to note: I plan to use my next ATT upgrade to get the WP7 phone but that is too long a wait to stick it out on the BB. I am not going to switch to TMob as I think I am the only ATT user that is satisfied with ATT.
Really any thoughts on why I should or should not buy the Telstra HD2 would be appreciated.
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The HD2 had ALOT of complaints from users when it first came out and all the problems it had was due to the terrible rom that it came with. The latest official Rom v1.66 and any custom rom from the rom development forum have fixed all these problems and after owning an HD2 for 2 1/2 months I can say hand on heart that it is the best phone I have ever seen or used. No freezes, no problems with the screen, no data connection problems and a pleasure to use. Everytime I look at it I still think WOW!!
Even the camera and video capture which has always been dismal at best on HTC phones is now fantastic and stunningly fast.
With the tweaks and mods available on xda you wont find a better phone.
I advised a friend to get one a few weeks ago and after he got his HD2 he thanked me for recommending it so my advise to you would be to get one as you will not be disapointed.
The only thing I will say is that once you get it be prepared to put HardSPL on it and flash either the 1.66 stock rom or one of the custom roms available to make sure it runs at its best.
Mark.
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I am considering buying the Telstra HD2 via a buddy in Oz for use on AT&T's network. ...any thoughts on why I should or should not buy the Telstra HD2 would be appreciated.
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I purchased one Telstra HD2 for myself, flashed the ROM (to XannyTech's), and have had no problems except a bug related to screen rotation during phone calls causing the dialpad to reposition itself annoyingly (there's a simple work-around). My boss was so impressed with the phone that he bought one and I've prepped it the same way.
I have no reservations about the purchases. Worrying about WP7 upgrade possibilities is silly since we all know so very little about what might happen. You're right not to listen to the Chicken Littles who want to sue HTC or see the price come down because an upgrade never offered now may only be possible instead of probable.
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The HD2 had ALOT of complaints from users when it first came out and all the problems it had was due to the terrible rom that it came with. The latest official Rom v1.66 and any custom rom from the rom development forum have fixed all these problems and after owning an HD2 for 2 1/2 months I can say hand on heart that it is the best phone I have ever seen or used. No freezes, no problems with the screen, no data connection problems and a pleasure to use. Everytime I look at it I still think WOW!!
Even the camera and video capture which has always been dismal at best on HTC phones is now fantastic and stunningly fast.
With the tweaks and mods available on xda you wont find a better phone.
I advised a friend to get one a few weeks ago and after he got his HD2 he thanked me for recommending it so my advise to you would be to get one as you will not be disapointed.
The only thing I will say is that once you get it be prepared to put HardSPL on it and flash either the 1.66 stock rom or one of the custom roms available to make sure it runs at its best.
Mark.
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Awesome and thanks for the input. I am sold. My buddy in Perth grabbed one for me today and it is on the way to me. I was debating whether or not to sell it but I want to keep it. Your explanation of flashing the ROM was one of the first links I bookmarked from this site.
I am definitely going to have to HardSPL the device - what I understand is that the Telstra ROM will not allow me to access ATT's 3G bands. I have been on a BlackBerry for 5 years so this is all new to me but I am looking forward to getting the HD2.
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Awesome and thanks for the input. I am sold. My buddy in Perth grabbed one for me today and it is on the way to me. I was debating whether or not to sell it but I want to keep it. Your explanation of flashing the ROM was one of the first links I bookmarked from this site.
I am definitely going to have to HardSPL the device - what I understand is that the Telstra ROM will not allow me to access ATT's 3G bands. I have been on a BlackBerry for 5 years so this is all new to me but I am looking forward to getting the HD2.
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When you get it make sure you check the SPL in the bootloader screen to make sure you can put HardSPL on it. The requirements are SPL 1.42. I dont think any phones are being sold with a higher SPL version but you really want to check that first before you start drooling over the sheer beauty of it
Once you are ready to start flashing it please post in my flashing for noobs thread if you have any more observations or questions.
Mark.
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I purchased one Telstra HD2 for myself, flashed the ROM (to XannyTech's), and have had no problems except a bug related to screen rotation during phone calls causing the dialpad to reposition itself annoyingly (there's a simple work-around). My boss was so impressed with the phone that he bought one and I've prepped it the same way.
I have no reservations about the purchases. Worrying about WP7 upgrade possibilities is silly since we all know so very little about what might happen. You're right not to listen to the Chicken Littles who want to sue HTC or see the price come down because an upgrade never offered now may only be possible instead of probable.
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Theres an even better replacement than the rotate fix, there's a dll fix now too
I think it's an excellent phone, but the standard Telstra ROM is terrible, I'm using the latest Energy ROM and the phone is AMAZING now
I agree in that it is an excellent phone. I am using it on AT&T here in the US.
I have tried several of the ROMs cooked here and can say they all offer great alternatives. Go for it!
I also have the T9193 setup with ATT. I went for the safe sea wwe 1.66 rom. The only problem I had was with the data freezing on me a couple times a day. But once I got the right bands setup and installed the 2.08.50.08_2 radio the phone has been flawless for weeks. Not one issue. I have had no problems with the touchscreen at all.
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Theres an even better replacement than the rotate fix, there's a dll fix now too
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Not the right thread maybe, but what is the link to this fix? Only thing that annoys me sometimes. Thanks.
Concerning this thread, MSKip recommended me the HD2 (he came from a TyTn II) just like me, and I can only repeat every word he said. Even camera is quite nice. Used in a trip with my kids, and it did its job when I needed quite nicely.
I also bought my Telstra to use in the same band as AT&T in Brazil. It's been working with no problem. I don't keep it connected all the time, so can not say about stability of connection, but whenever I need I connect HSPA right away and connection is quite fast and it is quite OK to browse the web with it. And thing is no lag! I use Miri 6.5.x, great, there is a fix for the registry to select correct bands or auto... My 2 cents.
PS: I was only missing a little bit hardware keyboard and media keys. Now I'm getting used to on-screen keyboard and typing is getting closer in speed and accuracy to a hard keyboard. Media keys, well, I use my bluetooth headphone's, still miss them sometimes, though, but nothing is perfect, is it?
I have been happy with ATT, but the price of the import is too steep so I cannot stay if I want the HD2
If you dont mind the price importing shouldnt be too bad, I know someone who did and has been very happy with it.
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Not the right thread maybe, but what is the link to this fix? Only thing that annoys me sometimes. Thanks.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5768112&postcount=3
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5768112&postcount=3
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Thanks. Trying it.
Yes, not cheap. I've got my HD2 Telstra from Australia to the US for around U$ 800 total.
guys/gals do not upgrade you HD2 with a new software, it make it instable... many people have been reported issues with the phone, that they never had before.... so do yourself a favor don't do it! i did it and now i can listen to music it will show the tittle but it wont play it.. any advice?? thanks
If you have only just upgraded the software and you have a lot of songs, the song wont play untill it fully indexes all the files, give it some time and it will work.
Flash a custom rom for better stability
Give some details like witch ROM version causing this problems.
i did the software upgrade from t-mo usa
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Give some details like witch ROM version causing this problems.
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rom: 2.13.531.1 os version: 5.2.21892
Where you find that version? I have latest ROM 1.66 WWE for Europe. I know is newer - 1.72.xxx but for Taiwan. Maybe your rom is not official?
he's talking about the US tmobile ROM that was pulled for not working.
The only problem I've got is the on screen phone buttons won't work during a phone call... real pain no pressing one!
Tap & slide makes the screen buttons work! SOOO... I have no problems now! I understand there are problems if you have purchased one of the preloaded games. However, they do warn you ahead of time.
official from t-mo usa. they just pull it off from the web site,
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Where you find that version? I have latest ROM 1.66 WWE for Europe. I know is newer - 1.72.xxx but for Taiwan. Maybe your rom is not official?
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official from t-mo usa. they just pull it off from the web site I will keep you guys informed as soon as the new release is posted.
Well I can honestly say that I have had absolutely no problems with this update! I have read all the stories about issues with the 2.13 update like weaker signal and screen sensitivity but everything couldn't be better! Screen works great if not better. Signal has somewhat improved. I used too have a problem with the native music player but now it works perfectly!
This update couldn't have come at a better time cause I was near returning this phone. The one thing i hated about this phone was that the swype didn't work the way i thought it would. It was actually one of the reasons i wanted to get it! It's so much better now, that I have written this whole reply on my hd2 using swype!
So i guess it could be device dependent or maybe it could be a bad download that you got. Try to download it again or from another source. I got mine here on xda but i forgot from which thread! Well i hope you get it ironed out cause the HD2 is a really great phone with so much potential!
i just bought my phone a week ago and i came with rom: 2.13.531.1 os version: 5.2.21892. and i cant even make it a day without the battery dying. what can i do to run longer? and the sms seems to lag just a lil bit.
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i just bought my phone a week ago and i came with rom: 2.13.531.1 os version: 5.2.21892. and i cant even make it a day without the battery dying. what can i do to run longer? and the sms seems to lag just a lil bit.
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I'm sorry you're having problems! I've had an opposite experience - better battery and more stable. Check the forum for battery saving advice... the best of which is turn off automatic backlight!
Mine got more stable as well with the update, my battery lasted about a day of pretty good usage so I wont complain. Light usage is about a day and a half / 2 days tops.
My only complaint is the less sensitive screen.
well i read that an update got pulled about a week ago and thats when i got my phone, but i talked to tmobile and they said they have put it back up so im goin to update as soon as i get a chance.
only reason it was pulled from the official upgrade site was lack of bandwidth....it's back up now and for those of you who are running stock roms, i HIGHLY suggest upgrading it will increase the device stability considerably, also it will fix some reception issues. overall highly recommended.
You Know... they ought to change the name of this thread.
I'd like to start a thread based purely for New Zealand DZ owners, if they let me, for any questions or guides specific for NZ as we are on the arse end of the world.
I have the HK version rooted, s-off, and running virtuous. Played with CM7 and Miui but really like the sense UI. The guides here for doing all this are very good.
One question i'd like to know is which radio you find the best and whether this will apply for all NZ users. I did read there were some aussies over the ditch having to have a play around with their ones.
I have been on 12.28b.60.140e_26.03.02.26_M for a week and it seems stable for me and more efficient. I didn't record the previous version for comparison but it was whatever it came with when I bought it in HK.
I am going to try out 12.50.60.24_26.08.04.16 next for a week then the .30 for a week to really get a feel for them. Would like to know if anyone else has experimented with them.
Also, for reference, my protocol has a P added to it: 12.28b.60.140eP_26.03.02.26_M
I've been using the .30 radio for ages now, I find its stable enough to use.
Havn't really used any other radios for a decent amount of time though, so I can't comment on whether its better or worse.
-Nipqer
I can't even get past the downgrade process
But I got the spring mod done atleast
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I can't even get past the downgrade process
But I got the spring mod done atleast
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What version are you on and where in the process are you getting stuck?
E: I see you're trying to resolve that in another thread although in saying that, that person is trying to unroot, whilst you're trying to root I guess? Did you follow the guide in the stickied thread? I followed that precisely, the ADB way, and had no issues. I had to go the goldcard way too.
Yeah, I still need to try the goldcard method but I need to get hold of another sd card first..
I got stuck at the bootloader, it won't pick up the PC10IMG.zip and I did make sure it was named correctly.
You'll know when you need the goldcard as it'll come up saying incorrect CID when it validates the image...but i'm guessing you don't get up to the validation part. I'd suggest you post your problem in the right thread to get that sorted.
Well I ran the .16 for the weekend and didn't notice anything different other than map location being more accurate both with and without GPS on. Now on .30 and nothing noticeably different. Wifi, reception, gps, and calls are solid.
Battery seems to be really lasting well now with the .30 but that may be contributed to going from virtuous 1.24 to 1.25, at any rate, very happy.