hi all
just received an email from t-mobile uk saying that have no plans to release the wm6 rom. Does this mean were are cursed or will we be able to use the HTC version when it comes out. is it just a case of losing branding and the cab files with the gprs settings etc???
cheers
Yeah i know, i got the same reply by email at weekend. you think that with the unit being so high spec that they would want to upgrade to WM6 for customer satisfaction
Disgraceful! Let's hope someone cracks the CID protection soon so we can use the HTC ROM when it is released!
Not good news. Let's all sign a petition and get it over to T-Mobile.
-Krip
yea, not happy about this at all, been with t-mobile for 8 years now, theyve had a **** load of money off of me. let me know if you start a petition
Since WM6 isn't an upgrade for any Advantage yet, is it really likely their emaildrone is going to know about it really?
Yes, we should petition them. But in context. "When WM6 is shipping on the Advantage please make it available for Ameo"
I second that, we need to make sure they know how not realising an operating system upgrade as big as WM6 would nark us Ameo owners off. (to put it nicely!)
Don't get upset..we'll get it anyway
Sorry guys I'm in disagreement with you on this one. I agree that a device as new and feature rich as the Ameo should definitely come with WM6, but it was never promised or even mentioned to the best of my recollection prior to and after the Ameo was released. Therefore we all knew what we were getting before we shelled out, even though we all held out hope that an official T-mobile WM6 upgrade would be available.
I'm quite happy to wait until CID unlocking has been cracked and an official WM6 ROM is available for the Dopod or Advantage version.
Let's face it people, we'll get there in the end anyway, wether they want us too or not.
CID is already available through imei-check, but they cant do it over-the-air. I emailed them about CID/SIM unlocking and this is their reply.....
Hello,
>>we can unlock it, but remote is not possible right now. If you want you can send the device to us for unlock. Special delivery is ok. The unlock is 20 GBP + 7 gbp to ship it back to you. Please send it to:
MIGsofT LTD FAO:Florin Mandache 19 Cowan Road Balloch Glasgow G68 9BX. Send just the handset + battery. >Regards, > >IMEI-CHECK Team >
I was very unsure sending the unit and needed reassurance so i replied.....
Thanks for your reply, but could you supply me with a contact number(landline) to help keep track of my unit, and so i can make payment by card. Your website doesn't contain any contact info which makes me a little uneasy.
And this is the reply i got back.....
Hello,
You can call me on my mobile : +44795*******.
The payment it will be done via paypal or direct bank deposit after we received the device and we unlocked it.
As you might guess, i'm still wary of sending it off so i guess i'll sit and wait until another option is available.
i was checking via STREETMAP, the postcode for imei-check (look at my post above) and i found this........http://www.myhouseprice.com/HousePr...imeframe=1&timeframemonth=99&timeframeyear=99
CHECK THE FIFTH HOUSE DOWN THE LIST! Its the same address and postcode for IMEI-CHECK, and it went up for sale on 23/03/07. Now i definately aint sending my unit through the post, to dodgy!
neildunne said:
Please send it to:
MIGsofT LTD FAO:Florin Mandache 19 Cowan Road Balloch Glasgow G68 9BX.
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Excellent! I'm just down the road (for a certain value of "down the road", being a two hour drive but one I do frequently) from them.
Wonder if they'll do it whilst I wait
Richard
mackaby007 said:
Sorry guys I'm in disagreement with you on this one. I agree that a device as new and feature rich as the Ameo should definitely come with WM6, but it was never promised or even mentioned to the best of my recollection prior to and after the Ameo was released. Therefore we all knew what we were getting before we shelled out, even though we all held out hope that an official T-mobile WM6 upgrade would be available.
I'm quite happy to wait until CID unlocking has been cracked and an official WM6 ROM is available for the Dopod or Advantage version.
Let's face it people, we'll get there in the end anyway, wether they want us too or not.
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i agree with you here, T-mobile has never promise WM6 update, so if they decide not to offer it, it's no problem, you just need the CID tool, and you can install the DOPOD or HTC one.
Whilst i accept that we were never promised an upgrade i consider that most of the Ameo owners believed that an upgrade would be in the pipe line.
By using unauthorised upgrade methods are we not invalidating our warranties and risking the chance of removal of technical support from t-mobile?
Perhaps there are associated overhead costs for T-mobile with regard to supporting another operating system but there are already phones in their range that use wm6. We are not asking them to support *nix.
I rang t-mobile last week regarding a phone problem last week (unable to make/receive calls). i was told that nobody on their thd had an Ameo manual (in the end the problem was 3g network related rather than a fault with the phone).
To date T-mobile have no publicly available rom versions (at all) which leads me to think that they are not yet up to speed wrt support for this unit anyway.
I have been a T-mobile customer for 10 years and have been out of contract for the last 3 until selling my soul for 18 months to get this Ameo. T-mobile cannot provide me adequate support at the moment and HTC will not because it is not their phone.
At a minimum i cannot see why we can not be offered this upgrade as a gesture of goodwill.
If it is a question of HTC (or microsoft) charging too much for the upgrade then perhaps they should consider how few units would have been sold without the t-mobile branding/subsidy.
i for one would be happy to petition T-mobile and will put my money where my mouth is later this weekend and start a site for the petition.
Lips tightly zipped.
But don't worry.
That's all I'm saying.
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Lips tightly zipped.
But don't worry.
That's all I'm saying.
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That'll do then. Thanks.
imaginarynumber said:
Whilst i accept that we were never promised an upgrade i consider that most of the Ameo owners believed that an upgrade would be in the pipe line.
By using unauthorised upgrade methods are we not invalidating our warranties and risking the chance of removal of technical support from t-mobile?
Perhaps there are associated overhead costs for T-mobile with regard to supporting another operating system but there are already phones in their range that use wm6. We are not asking them to support *nix.
I rang t-mobile last week regarding a phone problem last week (unable to make/receive calls). i was told that nobody on their thd had an Ameo manual (in the end the problem was 3g network related rather than a fault with the phone).
To date T-mobile have no publicly available rom versions (at all) which leads me to think that they are not yet up to speed wrt support for this unit anyway.
I have been a T-mobile customer for 10 years and have been out of contract for the last 3 until selling my soul for 18 months to get this Ameo. T-mobile cannot provide me adequate support at the moment and HTC will not because it is not their phone.
At a minimum i cannot see why we can not be offered this upgrade as a gesture of goodwill.
If it is a question of HTC (or microsoft) charging too much for the upgrade then perhaps they should consider how few units would have been sold without the t-mobile branding/subsidy.
i for one would be happy to petition T-mobile and will put my money where my mouth is later this weekend and start a site for the petition.
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If everyone thinks the same with you, then all T-mobile PDA user will be asking wm6 update (T-mobile MDA,MDA PRO.....). The things is it cost nothing to buy the upgrade, Microsft does not charge anything for it, but in order to publish the update, service provider will needs to run testing on it to make sure it's stable, it's nothing to do with HTC here as well, HTC offer the basic ROM, then T-mobile will needs to finish it, so it will takes them a while to make it stable, this is where you see the advantage of each different ROM, they are not all done by HTC, they are done by the service provider. And when you say WM6 device is already available on T-mobile, which one are you talking about? i don't seems to remember any of them.
Another important issue, you are going to see less and less HTC product on T-mobile, and any other provider too, HTC is now changing their company structure, they are trying to be like Nokia, so you won't see T-mobile mark or branding on HTC device in the future. So you already notice, T-mobile is the only one selling HTC advantage in UK, and it could be the last one, (or the very last few). In the future, you will see only HTC brand. So because of this, T-mobile has a very good reason not to be bother with WM6 update, i believe they are due to the end of the contract with HTC, and really, i don't think T-mobile care too much about Ameo, you don't see it advertise anywhere....
The bottom line is, even T-mobile release official WM6 update, i don't think it's going to be as stable as the DOPOD one or HTC one, they are already in the testing stage, and beta version will be release for tester next month. So all we need is the CID unlock, then you can choose the best ROM to upgrade.
Owners of the dash have been offered upgrades to wm6
And i go back to my point about not being offered support (understandably) for unauthorised upgrades. Surely if you know that the majority of owners of a particular phone are going to follow this path (ie unofficial upgrades) it will be cheaper (in the long run) to aid them and ensure that they have a phone that works. Otherwise you also run the risk of them blaming the network when it is in fact their phone that is not working.
With regard to your assertion that "t-mobile don't care about the ameo" the argument doesn't hold much water as it would imply that they don't care much about their customers- hence we return to the crux of this thread.
I cannot go out and buy a copy of wm6 and install it myself. if i purchased a copy of vista and discovered that it would not be possible to legitimately upgrade (purchase) to it's replacement (bar hardware issues) i would not purchase vista. It is now a given with phones of this form that we expect software/os improvements to compliment the hardware.
not every one is aware of these types of forums and would benefit from the upgrades and the ensuing improvements. It is through T-mobile that awareness would be increased (with the greatest respect to this site).
I do not doubt that you are more savy than me but if that implies an "i'm alright Jack" mentality then I personally prefer to be ignorant (it is after all blissful)
When sms was rolled out did you sit there and say "oh i don't expect to be able to use that because I signed up when vox was the only option"- i think not.
imaginarynumber said:
Owners of the dash have been offered upgrades to wm6
And i go back to my point about not being offered support (understandably) for unauthorised upgrades. Surely if you know that the majority of owners of a particular phone are going to follow this path (ie unofficial upgrades) it will be cheaper (in the long run) to aid them and ensure that they have a phone that works. Otherwise you also run the risk of them blaming the network when it is in fact their phone that is not working.
With regard to your assertion that "t-mobile don't care about the ameo" the argument doesn't hold much water as it would imply that they don't care much about their customers- hence we return to the crux of this thread.
I cannot go out and buy a copy of wm6 and install it myself. if i purchased a copy of vista and discovered that it would not be possible to legitimately upgrade (purchase) to it's replacement (bar hardware issues) i would not purchase vista. It is now a given with phones of this form that we expect software/os improvements to compliment the hardware.
not every one is aware of these types of forums and would benefit from the upgrades and the ensuing improvements. It is through T-mobile that awareness would be increased (with the greatest respect to this site).
I do not doubt that you are more savy than me but if that implies an "i'm alright Jack" mentality then I personally prefer to be ignorant (it is after all blissful)
When sms was rolled out did you sit there and say "oh i don't expect to be able to use that because I signed up when vox was the only option"- i think not.
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i understand your point there, but if you stand at the T-mobile side and think about it, then maybe you will understand if they decide not to offer wm6 update. It cost them time and money to release, it's pruely a bonus for T-mobile customer if they offer it. So do you think T-mobile MDA PRO should be offer WM6 as well? since it's the second most expensive PDA that T-mobile offer.
Anyway, what i am saying here is we are not suppose to flash un-official ROM, it has already bought this site trouble. I know lots of people (including me still do it anyway). I guess time will tell whether T-mobile will lunch WM6 update or not, but if they decide not to, don't be surprise, they have perfectly good reason for it.
Sorry WU
this was not intended to be a snipe at you but i believe in fair play and think that you are wrong.
with regard to a petition i will hold off given that Slave1 seems to know something and others respect his opinion, unless i am convinced otherwise
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Sorry WU
this was not intended to be a snipe at you but i believe in fair play and think that you are wrong.
with regard to a petition i will hold off given that Slave1 seems to know something and others respect his opinion, unless i am convinced otherwise
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let's all hope the upgrade will comes out from T-mobile, yes you are right, i don't know about T-mobile, and i have no contact inside this company too, all I know is when i went to the 3GSM this year, they did say something about the WM6 update but they are not sure which machine to offer by that time.
So hopefully they will release it, if not, we just need to hope a CID tools then all Ameo user can then flash HTC, DOPOD rom.
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Customer 11/06/2003 03:14 AM
I have a Pocket PC Phone. Will there be any upgrades offered for the ROM from the Pocket PC 2002 software to Pocket PC 2003 software?
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Response (Michael) 11/06/2003 11:46 AM
Dear MrDollymaker,
Thank you for taking the time to contact T-Mobile.
I understand that you are requesting information on when the Pocket PC 2003 will be available. I will be happy to assist you with this information. T-Mobile has not announced an official release date for such a software at this time. We are constantly adding to our line-up of fantastic products so please check back with us often. For the most current information on the products that T-Mobile offers, please visit our website at T-Mobile.com or your local T-Mobile retail store.
If you have any other comments, questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us at anytime.
Thank you for choosing T-Mobile.
Sincerely,
T-Mobile USA, Inc.
Mike C.
Web Services
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Hmmmm..... Wish they would make up their minds about this! Either that or have the right hand tell the left hand what they are doing and visa-versa! :roll:
Now, where can I get ahold of that 4.01.00 ROM that's running loose? :twisted:
MrDollyMaker.
$8 an hour customer service reps
Anybody seriously think they train these people or provide extraneous info on something as obscure as a software update for a phone product they're barely promoting?
No. You sit in front of a terminal and look up account information. Maybe you get a raise if you can pick from a series of canned e-mail responses and get to be on the online support team.
Odds are the thing will show up here or from some other, more progressive country.
Just IMHO.
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Anybody seriously think they train these people or provide extraneous info on something as obscure as a software update for a phone product they're barely promoting?
No. You sit in front of a terminal and look up account information. Maybe you get a raise if you can pick from a series of canned e-mail responses and get to be on the online support team.
Odds are the thing will show up here or from some other, more progressive country.
Just IMHO.
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I"m actually in agreement with you, as when I have had problems and called their support, that was what they explained to me.... unless I get to this "tier 4" or higher which is their development team level. I believe they said there is like 6 or 7 tiers. 4 being the begining development level and consisting of like 20 people or something like this. :?:
Same runaround from ATT
I talked to ATT today and although I will give the tech credit for spending 30 or so minutes trying to find out the status of the upcoming upgrade, the final result was about the same as with TM. Thier final suggestion was to check on the Seimens site. That is a waste of time as the main Siemens site has no reference to the SX-56. I did find the last ATT updates that on www.mysiemens.com, but no mention of the update.
It is sad to say, but I think the telcos are trying to forget these devices and move on to the newer stuff that is easier to support. Remember that they have been used to phones that either worked or didn't. With all the concern regarding the upcoming cell # portability that occurs on the 24th (here in US), you would think that they would be doing everything possible to build customer loyality.
Hi All,
I currently have an O2 online contract which I have had for about 16months now. After seeing that the XDAIIs are £150 cheaper in O2 stores than online I decided to change my contract to an O2 store type and cancel the online contract and port my existing number accross from online to the new one.
After calling round lots of O2 stores to be told that they have none left in stock, I found a shop with 1 left so hurried along to buy. The girl in the shop though told me that they can port number across from other networks, but not between the online and shop flavours of O2 because they are the same company. Funny that when I go into a shop with a problem on my online contract they tell me that they are different companies and can't do anything !! grr. Needless to say, I didn't buy the XDAII.
Does anyone know if this is truely the case because I do need to keep my existing number and also don't really fancy paying £349 from the online store when they are selling £150 cheaper just down the road. !
Thanks for any info.
Rgds,
Rob.
Hi
That's absolutely pants that is. That is exactly what I did. I had an online contract and bought an XDA2 from the retail side & kept my online number! They can do it, you just need to push them. Once you do they are actually quite helpful.
Have fun! Be assertive!
Thanks for the reply Pete. I didn't think that it was impossible to do.
I'll be back there tomorrow wearing my angry face
I'll let you know how I get on.
Thanks,
Rob.
I had a similar problem, they said that I couldn't port an O2 number to O2 (this is in effect an upgrade) only from other networks. I pushed them and they said it could be done - I signed a new contract, got a temporary number (which was no use to me as I didn't want to give my many contacts a temporary number) so I put my old SIM in the XDAII until they ported the number - it took them over a month to finally port the number, but they did give me 4 months free line rental as compensation.
Well done m8. Just show what can be done when you push! I also ended up with several months free line rental. They ended up moving the new contract to my old sim card. A 'Migration' they call it!
Don't give up just keep pushin.
Good luck!
You need to get your PAC code from online o2 and then take it to the shop.
The XDA2 is going to be £299 in shops from the 1st of March
Has it gone up! Was £199 in o2 stores. Hope not as I haven't been able to get one anywhere, have emailed o2 ceo as i'm so pissed off.
Unless thats £299 offline..... I wish
They were only 199 for febuary back to 299 now onwards.
Sorry people.
Staff got theres for 150 sim free.
8)
Can a new user, onto his second post, dare correct you all (but do so on the basis that he had exactly this, and it lead to a full investigation from the then OFTEL)?
Sorry to say it folks, but whilst SOME Service Providers, or even individual staff themselves, will let you 'port' from one Service Provider on the same network to another SP on the same network, there is ABSOLUTELY NO LEGAL OBLIGATION FOR THEM TO DO THIS.
I know this from huge problems I had with Singlepoint as SP for O2, Porting into them a number from O2 (then BT Mobile SP).
So I took my case to OFTEL.
And guess waht - the reason for this is clear.
Legislation provides for Porting numbers, and places a legal obligation on Networks and SP's to do exactly this.
BUT...
Going from one service provider to a different one, but within the same network, is not covered. Becuase it ISN'T a PORT - it is a MIGRATION.
Only if the networks are different, does a PORT ensue.
And ONLY a Port is bound by Oftel (at the time - now OFCOM) regulations.
So many of you MIGHT manage this (in the end Singlepoint did for me, after all the hoo-ha).
But there is absolutely no compulsion for them to do this, and nothing you can do in law to force them, if they refuse.
Please don't think I am making this up - a simple call to OFCOM will answer your query.
BUT, bear in mind this was a while back, and the case investigator from OFTEL told me at that time that plans were afoot to change this in future to cover migrations too. So it might be worth that call to OFCOM...
Hope this helps folks.
Are you saying you had a problem with singlepoint giving you the PAC code?
They should give it to you no matter where you say the number is going?
Richard
u05rdh said:
Are you saying you had a problem with singlepoint giving you the PAC code?
They should give it to you no matter where you say the number is going?
Richard
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I'm gonna sound rude here, but no thats completely what i am not saying, as my post should indicate.
I was going FROM O2 (with O2/BT Cellnet/Mobile as the Service Provider) TO Singlepoint (O2).
And what Singlepoint would not do, is ACCEPT my PAC code.
Hence why I went to OFTEL.
Only to find that Singlepoint were well within their rights not to accept the PAC code, and transfer IN my number, as it wasn't a PORT at all (PAC = Port Authorisation Code - hint!)
Becuase only if there is a change of networks, does it amount to a PORT. If it is inter network, but different services providers, it is a MIGRATION, which has no legal obligation (or at least didn't at that time).
So what my post was clearly warning, is that UNLESS THERE IS A CHANGE OF NETWORK, it is not a PORT< but instead, a migration.
And for migrations, Service Providers have no compulsion or legal obligation to let you bring your number over - it is entirely at their own discretion.
Only a PORT (which as I said, needs a change of network), has legal obligation to it on the part of a Servie Provider.
I hope that clarifies. :wink:
I spoke to a guy from O2 (the customer care line I think) and when I queried him about being about to migrate numbers from O2 Online to O2 Shop, he was saying I couldn't, but also sounding uncertain. As if he wanted to tell me something but couldn't. In the end he said that O2 are not obliged to migrate the number across because of the administration charge that they incur. As he was sounding strange, I said 'Are you trying to tell me that I should be able to get my number migrated across if I keep on at them, but you are not allowed to tell me that' To which he replied 'Yes'
Rgds,
Rob.
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I spoke to a guy from O2 (the customer care line I think) and when I queried him about being about to migrate numbers from O2 Online to O2 Shop, he was saying I couldn't, but also sounding uncertain. As if he wanted to tell me something but couldn't. In the end he said that O2 are not obliged to migrate the number across because of the administration charge that they incur. As he was sounding strange, I said 'Are you trying to tell me that I should be able to get my number migrated across if I keep on at them, but you are not allowed to tell me that' To which he replied 'Yes'
Rgds,
Rob.
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In my experience (after the case I had with OFTEL), the ONLY people willing to allow a number transfer on a migration rather than a port, is O2 Online and O2 (O2 Proper, with themselves as the serive provider - not a third party like Singlepoint).
Which fits with what you have said. BUT like you mention - its at their discretion - so sound nce, and keep plugging if they first say no.
Singlepoint will NOT allow you to bring in your existing number, from another provider, if the network remains the same - i.e they will not allow number transfers with a migration - but instead ONLY with a PORT, which they are legally obliged to anyhow.
And maybe I should clarify the Network's logic for this...
If you go from one network, TO another, then the network you have left LOSES a customer/number/statistic/figure, when it comes to reporting year end customer numbers.
On the other hand, the network you are going to, gains a new customer/number/statistic, to include in their year end report of number base/connects.
Thus the new network is happy to do this, and subsidise handsets etc etc.
On the other hand, if all you are changing is Service Providers, then the NETWORK gains absolutely nothing - as they lose one customer to in effect gain another.
Thus absolutely no incentive or financial reason for them to promote this.
And I took the liberty to check, and alas, there has still been no change with OFCOM in terms of the law - ONLY a number PORT (which means a complete change of NETWORK), is legally enforceable in terms of them accepting a number port.
A MIGRATION (chenge of Service Provider, but remaining on the same Network), still has no legal obligation.
Hope this helps.
Like said before in this thread, the louder you shout, the more you get heard, and the more you push, the more succesfull you will be. Nice people don't get anything, just high bills
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Like said before in this thread, the louder you shout, the more you get heard, and the more you push, the more succesfull you will be. Nice people don't get anything, just high bills
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IF YOU SAY SO! :wink:
Was that loud enough for you :lol:
hello everyone
this is my first post, and i will admit straight away that i work for one of the big "independent retailers" so have no problem/loyalty with any network..........
i know from previous posts that i may be teaching some of you to suck eggs....that is not my intention!
in the 80's under the then uk government the first 2 networks where ordered to split there "networks" into service providers{billing companies)
that was O2 and VODA by the monopolies commision....several years later the next networks where allowed to sell there own airtime(orange and tmob) .....hence if you are with o2 or voda you could have a contract with up to anyone of 100+ service providers any of which will charge a different amount to upgrade to an xdaII..... you will always have the oppurtunity to upgrade(stay with your service provider,,,if you are a large monthly spend ....negotiate!) but you will also (and use this!) have the oppurtunity to switch within your network (MIGRATION- ie you stay with O2 but are billed by a new company..but are recognised as a new consumer....ie better deal) or switch to a new network....ie voda,orange ..(who are shortly to offer the xda........) who will bend over backwards to get you!!!!!!
either way your best tool is to ask for a PAC code (porting authorisation code) wether migrating or porting.......as this lets the network/service provider you are with know you are not only serious about leaving them....but serious about joining another network/service provider and they will negotaite...if not switch network!!!! normally same handset but better offer!
probably no use and wrong forum
but hey i am new to this!
@ onedaz...
Er, thanks for the heads up, but ain't you read this post at all mate?
The bit about history was both true and helpful.
But "...get a PAC code and do a migrate" ?
Haven't you read my posts at all? You CAN'T do a number port on a MIGRATION inter-network. You can only do a PORT if it is cross network.
(And by 'CAN'T' what I mean, as explained in my post, is compel, by law, a Service Provider, to accept your number - some DO so this by choice, but most do not. Those that do not CANNOT be compelled to accept a PAC code, for a MIGRATION, as this has no legal power behind it through OFCOM. Only a true PORT carries legal weight.).
But thanks for the rest of the info though.
Just to quickly throw flames on the fire and run.....
I am currently with Orange and will be moving over to O2 when my contract expires and I get the new XDA II on a business contract.
Point I want to raise is that ORANGE told me that to get best deal and offer on an upgrade (take out the fact that I want the XDA II) is to MOVE TO ANOTHER OPERATOR - so the above is totally true that migration is at discretion of company, porting (i.e. leaving network) is legal right.
I sent an e-mail to T-Mobile asking if they were planning to make an ROMS available and whether or not they would be offering a ROM upgrade with Windows Mobile 6. Below is the response that I received; Good Morning
There are no plans at present to release a rom update for the MDA Vario 2.
When there have been new operating systems for windows mobile devices released these have never been available as an upgrade, only as a new device model.
Hope this answers your questions.
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[/FONT][FONT="]I've even e-mailed T-Mobile back telling them that it works on the Hermes, but they're still insistant that I won't get it throught them. [/FONT][FONT="]So with regards to Windows Mobile 6, will Microsoft make this available in a way that I could purchase it?
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I was hoping that they are going to release on for the Wizard. By the looks of it, I'll be going Underground.. or getting Beautiful
Anyway, I'm just wondering how accurate this information is. Just that his/her English sounds weird to me (eg. "When there have been..." and the rest of the sentence), probably some young girl at India T-Mobile call center hired to answer emails?
I dont think that you are wrong there....
I feel that they are working on something in the background and waiting for all the issues to be ironed out before releasing any update...
I am wondering if there is going to be a cost involved or weather they are going to only give it to NEW hermes????
T-mobile = Unpredictable
D
I would be interested in how T-Mobile would react if there was a large scale request for it.
I spoke to T-mobile a week ago regarding problems with the Vario II. After speaking with their tech support people, the customer rep told me that they are testing ROM updates for the vario II and expected it to be available in a month.
So keep checking http://www.tm-phonedownloads.com/
I didn't ask about WM6. I doubt they'd release it for the Vario II as it could affect sales of future devices, but if they get the majority of the problems sorted (particularly bluetooth) i'd be happy enough. I'm on my 2nd handset.
Yes it's true people. Check this web link to get the number to call them! or call 150 and ask for upgrades if your with T-Mobile already. They only have 350 in stock at the moment, so hurry.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6161.html
Mine's coming tomorrow!
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Yes it's true people. Check this web link to get the number to call them! or call 150 and ask for upgrades if your with T-Mobile already. They only have 350 in stock at the moment, so hurry.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6161.html
Mine's coming tomorrow!
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Yes, i can confirm that is true!!!!!! Nice, english ROM is comming soon.
But here is the bad news, you can only get the T-mobile Ameo with contract, which is £50 pounds upward, nothing less, and it's lock to T-mobile UK as well. I have ask them whether we can just buy the machine without contact in the future, they say no, they won't sell it without the contract. And it will all be lock to T-mobile UK as well.
So i guess for people who don't want to sign up contract or do not live in UK, HTC Advantage and DOPOD U1000 is your only choose.
BTW, mackaby007, HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOURS IS COMMING
do you mind telling us how much you pay? did you do a upgrade or sign up another contract? what do you have to pay per month?
English ROM coming soon...
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Yes, i can confirm that is true!!!!!! Nice, english ROM is comming soon.
But here is the bad news, you can only get the T-mobile Ameo with contract, which is £50 pounds upward, nothing less, and it's lock to T-mobile UK as well. I have ask them whether we can just buy the machine without contact in the future, they say no, they won't sell it without the contract. And it will all be lock to T-mobile UK as well.
So i guess for people who don't want to sign up contract or do not live in UK, HTC Advantage and DOPOD U1000 is your only choose.
BTW, mackaby007, HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOURS IS COMMING
do you mind telling us how much you pay? did you do a upgrade or sign up another contract? what do you have to pay per month?
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Hi Wu. Thanks.
Went for the upgrade, low tariff costs about 12.50 per month, but even on higher tariff, the price of the unit remains the same £389.99 Not exactly cheap, but cheaper for me than any other option.
As for it being locked, it's only a matter of time before the gurus on this site get a simunlock.exe together (not that I personally need it at the moment as I'm with T-Mob anyway).
My wife and I went for the Flex 50 anyway as she wants more minutes etc and I want the device, so everyones happy.
As for the English ROM, need someone like Pof to give me instructions on how to extract it for everyone else. I'll PM him if no one else comes forward to resolve this, but I haven't got the Ameo in my hands yet...tomorrow.
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Yes, i can confirm that is true!!!!!! Nice, english ROM is comming soon.
But here is the bad news, you can only get the T-mobile Ameo with contract, which is £50 pounds upward, nothing less, and it's lock to T-mobile UK as well. I have ask them whether we can just buy the machine without contact in the future, they say no, they won't sell it without the contract. And it will all be lock to T-mobile UK as well.
So i guess for people who don't want to sign up contract or do not live in UK, HTC Advantage and DOPOD U1000 is your only choose.
BTW, mackaby007, HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOURS IS COMMING
do you mind telling us how much you pay? did you do a upgrade or sign up another contract? what do you have to pay per month?
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Thats right! Unfortunately only on contract. Body is just like dopod except silverish right?
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Thats right! Unfortunately only on contract. Body is just like dopod except silverish right?
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no it's a bit different, but not that much
We need english ROM asap. Pls., help us.
I must say if you are not going for upgrades, so you sign up a new contract to get Ameo, it's rather expensive......don't understand why the minimum contract is £50 for Ameo, (even you have to pay more on device) some people just don't make that much call..
I forgot to ask whether is a 1 year contract or 2 years,
1 year contract: 12x50=600 ------->Can buy you a Athena
2 year contract: 24x50=1200------->Can buy you 2 Athena
Hopefully they will adjust their policy in the future.
btw, i think the info i heard from T-mobile is a bit un-true, i heard a few different version now, so i suggest people who want to sign up contract with them double check by phoning them. Once thing remain true is Athena will not be available unlock and without contract. (unlocking shouldn't be a problem in the future by the way)
wu5262 said:
I must say if you are not going for upgrades, so you sign up a new contract to get Ameo, it's rather expensive......don't understand why the minimum contract is £50 for Ameo, (even you have to pay more on device) some people just don't make that much call..
I forgot to ask whether is a 1 year contract or 2 years,
1 year contract: 12x50=600 ------->Can buy you a Athena
2 year contract: 24x50=1200------->Can buy you 2 Athena
Hopefully they will adjust their policy in the future.
btw, i think the info i heard from T-mobile is a bit un-true, i heard a few different version now, so i suggest people who want to sign up contract with them double check by phoning them. Once thing remain true is Athena will not be available unlock and without contract. (unlocking shouldn't be a problem in the future by the way)
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There is a lot of stuff going around about T-Mobiles pricing. My cousin just ordered his one and he had no contract with them. He paid £309.99 and got an 18 month contract on Flext 25 + Web n Walk @ £7.50 pm.
So he's paying £32.50 (£585.00) + £310.00 for device = £895.00 with lots of minutes and 3GB download limit for each month!
HTC want £700.00+ just for the phone! If you live in the UK, the choice is an obvious one, but for outside of UK, I would recommend the Dopod and apply the English ROM when its available (soon) = £600.00 + shipping.
UK people bear in mind, that T-Mobiles aggressive pricing always comes down after just a few weeks due to popular demand etc. So if you can wait...you will get it cheaper for sure.
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There is a lot of stuff going around about T-Mobiles pricing. My cousin just ordered his one and he had no contract with them. He paid £309.99 and got an 18 month contract on Flext 25 + Web n Walk @ £7.50 pm.
So he's paying £32.50 (£585.00) + £310.00 for device = £895.00 with lots of minutes and 3GB download limit for each month!
HTC want £700.00+ just for the phone! If you live in the UK, the choice is an obvious one, but for outside of UK, I would recommend the Dopod and apply the English ROM when its available (soon) = £600.00 + shipping.
UK people bear in mind, that T-Mobiles aggressive pricing always comes down after just a few weeks due to popular demand etc. So if you can wait...you will get it cheaper for sure.
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yes, agree with you there, only consider the HTC Advantage if you really want the black one. UK people should consider T-mobile Ameo if you don't mind signing up a contract with them, the rest should then consider Dopod u1000 since it's English ROM is comming very soon.
Nice Today screen
@Wu.
BTW I saw a screenshot of your Today screen today. Lovely mate!
wu5262 said:
Once thing remain true is Athena will not be available unlock and without contract. (unlocking shouldn't be a problem in the future by the way)
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In Holland it is available without contract.
Good news for anybody else...perhaps...
OK more on T-Mobile pricing:
I believe most people can get the Ameo for considerably less than I did. Because I get half price line rental (staff & family discounts), I don't really spend that much on bills and as a result T-Mobile don't value my custom as much as another who spends considerably more than those with discounts on their bills!
Fair enough I suppose. If you look around (away from T-Mobile) you can pick one up for less than £180.00 and less.
So it boils down to how much you already spend with T-Mobile or how much they are likely to make out of you. The more they get, the cheaper you get the device for.
Hope that helps some of you.
Can't use T-Mobile - unfortunately
Desperate to switch from my Universal but alas T-Mobile coverage is next to useless in SW Scotland. I have to wait until Vodafone bring out a version. Anyone have any informed opinion when this might happen?
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Desperate to switch from my Universal but alas T-Mobile coverage is next to useless in SW Scotland. I have to wait until Vodafone bring out a version. Anyone have any informed opinion when this might happen?
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Vodafone will "not" bring out this phone, only available as T-mobile, Dopod u1000 and HTC Advantage
wu5262 said:
Vodafone will "not" bring out this phone, only available as T-mobile, Dopod u1000 and HTC Advantage
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Actually, I have been informed that whilst it was stated that it was only coming to these 3, that Vodafone and Orange will be getting in on the action later on in the year. But I have no proof of this only hearsay from certain people in the know. Call it 'Speculation' for some, but hopeful to others.
Let's face it, HTC are in business for the money. It seems only prudent for them to manufacturer the X7500 to a broader consumer platform, i.e. Service Providers. And judging by most of their other models, the other SP's do supply their own branded version of other HTC products.
It's only logical in the long term. After the initial hype, I too reckon other SP's will get in on the act.
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Actually, I have been informed that whilst it was stated that it was only coming to these 3, that Vodafone and Orange will be getting in on the action later on in the year. But I have no proof of this only hearsay from certain people in the know. Call it 'Speculation' for some, but hopeful to others.
Let's face it, HTC are in business for the money. It seems only prudent for them to manufacturer the X7500 to a broader consumer platform, i.e. Service Providers. And judging by most of their other models, the other SP's do supply their own branded version of other HTC products.
It's only logical in the long term. After the initial hype, I too reckon other SP's will get in on the act.
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Actually, i can confirm T-mobile will be the only provider to get this phone. I heard this from Ofiicial HTC people, you see, HTC has now change, they want to sell their device under their own name, they want to become a nokia as well, so this device will only be provided by T-mobile, not other provider in UK. This is exactly what HTC wanted to do, for you to buy their machine under their own name, which is HTC Advantage. Of course, you also have the DOPOD U1000.
This policy has just been recently introduce, so if their sales drop and anything bad happen, they will go back to the original marketing mode, which is provide their device to as many provider as possible. But for now, and at least for this year, this is their policy.
So don't wait for Vodafone, O2, or any other provider to come out this device, 95% it won't happen.
Sorry to let some people down, but i feel like you should know the fact.
wu5262 said:
Actually, i can confirm T-mobile will be the only provider to get this phone. I heard this from Ofiicial HTC people, you see, HTC has now change, they want to sell their device under their own name, they want to become a nokia as well, so this device will only be provided by T-mobile, not other provider in UK. This is exactly what HTC wanted to do, for you to buy their machine under their own name, which is HTC Advantage. Of course, you also have the DOPOD U1000.
This policy has just been recently introduce, so if their sales drop and anything bad happen, they will go back to the original marketing mode, which is provide their device to as many provider as possible. But for now, and at least for this year, this is their policy.
So don't wait for Vodafone, O2, or any other provider to come out this device, 95% it won't happen.
Sorry to let some people down, but i feel like you should know the fact.
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Wu...what are you still doing up? Go to sleep now. Haha..only kidding mate!! Well I'm glad you put that bit of 'Speculation/hope' to rest. I'll take your word for it....I think your direct link to HTC is considerably more reliable than my sources here in the UK.
Right..signing off for the night...early bird catches the postman.lol.
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Wu...what are you still doing up? Go to sleep now. Haha..only kidding mate!! Well I'm glad you put that bit of 'Speculation/hope' to rest. I'll take your word for it....I think your direct link to HTC is considerably more reliable than my sources here in the UK.
Right..signing off for the night...early bird catches the postman.lol.
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Yes, me going bed now as well now. You wanna know why i stay up so late? I accidentally change a registry which cause my machine a blank screen. No matter what i do, it won't load it up again, even soft restart.....so hard it is then.
That's what i was been doing until now, reinstall and setting up everything again. Anyway, it's now back to shape again.
Looking forward to hear your device tomorrow.
Got Mine This Morning!!
Sorry to hear that Wu. Did You get it all sorted now? Don't you have good backup software? PM me.
Anyway I got mine today....beautiful. Just charging it now. Gonna go exchange my Micro SD for a Mini SD Card now.
See photo here:
http://www.4winmobile.com/viewtopic.php?p=54709#54709
Later.
mackaby007 said:
Sorry to hear that Wu. Did You get it all sorted now? Don't you have good backup software? PM me.
Anyway I got mine today....beautiful. Just charging it now. Gonna go exchange my Micro SD for a Mini SD Card now.
See photo here:
http://www.4winmobile.com/viewtopic.php?p=54709#54709
Later.
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yes, everything is sorted, nice to hear you got yours
I am off to meet one of the member here now to hand in his DOPOD U1000 !
btw, i didn't backup anything, sooo haha, that's why it took my whole night to get it back
Today I called Microsoft, Danger, Nvidia, Sharp, and Verizon about the KIN. I wanted to know about the Windows phone 7 merge claim from Microsoft, the rom for the phone, and the lack of support for the tegra apx series. Microsoft told me "I'm going to transfer you to the mobile service center" and after a ring the call ended. Danger's phone number doesn't even work anymore. Nvidia told me they only support the Tegra 2 series. Sharp claims "We do not make the kin here at sharp". While Verizon said they would be happy to release a rom to me as long as I had proper permission from sharp. So my question is... Who the hell wants to take responsibility for this damn device?
nice effort
Wow, quite a run around - frustrating that they don't want anything to do with this phone. I appreciate what you are doing.
If you aren't fed up yet, try again. Maybe with some "social engineering" Vzw will release the rom. Also, maybe a different sharp office?
Keep up the good work!
Jon
Thanks for the update this gives me a little hope of atleast getting a rom from verizon. My phone is currently bricked, but I think that if I was able to get a rom I could flash it and have a working phone again. I will contact verizon with the approach of fixing my phone.
Thanks for all the efforts and the info posted.
As stated above, a hope of a rom of some kind is a light of "hope" to get it working on our bricked phones and to do something with our cute smartphones. ^^
Can this device work on GSM networks? I am confused as some sites are selling unlocked codes for the Kin Two, to enable GSM functions? If this is true, I'll get one.
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Can this device work on GSM networks? I am confused as some sites are selling unlocked codes for the Kin Two, to enable GSM functions? If this is true, I'll get one.
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Nope. It works on CDMA or kinda networks. Has no SIM either.
Just wandering again... what's the requirement on the stated by verizon: "sharp permission".
Cause if i read right, in other thread attempts, sharp was OK if verizon wanted to give it, and verizon is OK if sharp does...
So.. what's (exactly) needed to make verizon give away a rom?
I've been going into Verizon stores in several cities here in South GA the last few days asking about maybe getting a Kin Twom. (I travel around for work). So far EVERY sales person I talked to has told me that I should not get this phone.... That I will not like it and will want to bring it back within a week because it will stop working! Dang!....I would kind of like to have one! Are they just that bad...."really"?
Just FYI stuff mostly. Also I am a 50 year old man, so they probably think I can't figure out how to turn the thing on....lol
When I emailed Verizon about support for bricked phones, their reply was:
At this time,there are no software updates planned for the Kin Twom. Verizon Wireless does not have any control over the software updates because we are not the developers of this device. We simply offer the wireless service to the device.
All devices have a one year manufacture's warranty. If you experience a manufacture's defect within one year (and the phone does not have physical/liquid damage) Verizon Wireless is happy to replace the device free of charge. The "Updating Modem" screen (which has not been listed as a known issue) should not be a concern. Please remember, thousands and thousands of people have this device and only a small amount of people have reported problems.
dezgrz, maybe Verizon was just telling you what you wanted to hear about being willing to release the ROM if Sharp gives the OK. Nobody wants to own up and take accountability on this phone.
Alright, so I called Sharp, rep said they don't support the phone since they just developed the screen and then gave me a number.
1-800-229-1235
www.pcdphones.com
I talked with a tech explaining johnkussack's "updating screen" problem and tech said he never heard/seen that problem before. So then he said that I can send it in for them to look at.
Send broken/bricked phone to
Personal Communications Devices, LLC.
555 Wireless Blvd
Hauppauge, NY 11788
Include a letter with:
Your name
Return Address
Description of the problem with the phone
You pay to ship it to them, and they will pay for shipping it back. The returned guy said it could take up to 2 weeks.
So we have a place for support. Now someone else call and asked about how they restore a bricked phone back to factory functional form and if they can give us the tools to do so. Then ask about releasing the ROM.