Related
Ok having my mda pro for a week now
i must say its much slower, heavier, thicker, bad reception, windows 2005 still to young for use, browsing isnt that great..
and maybe more.
compared to my mda II
So i am gonna sell it ..
Its on the dutch 2nd hand market www.marktplaats.nl
Maybe ill regret it but, its just to big and slow.
Maybe ill get a qtek 2020i or mda III instead
I'm thinking the same too.
I am now wishing I waited for the K-Jam.
I wanted something with a keyboard, but JJ is just too awkward to use.
One thing I am thinking is maybe get a SP5 to carry around daily, and use the JJ as a laptop alternative when I am going to be out of reach of my laptop for a while (a while for me is more than 4 hours)
i'm happy with it.
1. has umts and i love it for video calls
2. has nice UMTS speed
3. has the full keyboard and a balanced notebook-type position
4. nice features and I can place it on the table on trains and in car
so ... i'll keep it.
I think that those wanting a phone first and a PDA second will be disappointed in the JasJar. Those (like me ) wanting a PDA first and phone second, those who want a mini-laptop, will love the JasJar.
DaleReeck said:
I think that those wanting a phone first and a PDA second will be disappointed in the JasJar. Those (like me ) wanting a PDA first and phone second, those who want a mini-laptop, will love the JasJar.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think that's exactly right. I do sometimes (well... often) wish the Jasjar was a bit smaller and somewhat lighter, but it does everything I ask of it and it does exactly what I bought it for. I'm not getting rid of this device until something that can do all this and more comes along.
Brett
here here! im a pda freak and i love the jj,
just dreaming the future, imagine a jj only difference is the keyboard half is the same thickness as the screen half, now were talking!!!
Well, I think it's fantastic. And it's a lot more stable than my Jam was. I'm using my JasJar far more often and using more functions than I've ever used on a PPC before.
Agreed, there's not a lot of fully compatible software around for it, but honestly, it's a brand new OS and developers are catching up, so that really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, should it!?
Wow! Can't believe people are actually selling their Universal's!!! I guess to each his/her own.
i just wished it could be beter in multimedia
i need it for my work, but awsering phone and working in the agenda is 3 times slower then on my mda II
DaleReeck said:
I think that those wanting a phone first and a PDA second will be disappointed in the JasJar. Those (like me ) wanting a PDA first and phone second, those who want a mini-laptop, will love the JasJar.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't want a phone first, but JJ is very awkward to use as a phone.
Although a lot of the problems are because I am carrying it closed. When there is a decent case for it so I can carry it in pda mode, most problems will go away:
- You can't tell who's calling without opening the device, which is a two handed operation. Walking down the street with a bag in one hand you have to stop, put the bag down, take jj out of pocket, open it up to see who's calling, close it back and decide what to do with the call
- You can't call out without opening the device, which is a two handed operation. Walking down the street with a bag in one hand you have to stop, put the bag down, take jj out of pocket, make a call, close it back and continue with the call. Even a BT headset doesn't help, because voice calling doesn't work when jj is closed
- Even as a pda it is awkward to open it to just check something. WM5 is operable with a single hand, but you need two hands to open it. Again, this won't be a problem when there is a decent case that allows us to carry it open.
As I said, I will probably keep the jj and get a phone for daily use.
Or get a K-Jam
Also, having bricked the jj 4 days after I bought it and having to wait for 2 weeks for a rom, while fighting with imate support twice daily took the joy out of it I think.
@akira,
Are you kidding me? JJ is amazing for multimedia. The screen is mind-blowing and with TCPMP its the most amazing little pocket video player around!!!
And regarding the speed of the device, try multi-tasking on the K-JAM and then tell me what you think of the JJ. Besides, it feels a little slow only the first time you open the program, from thereon its smooth sailing. I really feel you need to re-think the whole thing.
@atekant,
Mate, for a person who spent $1000 on a device, i figured you would just spend another $70 to get yourself a BT headset that supports caller ID. Who the heck told you that you have to go through all that circus shenanigans just to answer or make a call?!?! Just use a BT headset with Caller ID!!! With BT voice dial, you never have to actually open the device to make a call. I have been using voice dial since long and its simply SUPERB!!!
Well, i agree that the "bricking" of the device was an unpleasant experience. Still, i feel you should hold on to it for a little longer as your reasons are not really valid for selling it!!!
My 0.002.
Can anyone tell me how to change the keys Y and Z on the keyboard?
thats a bummer i thought it would be good.
wishes
I regret being an impulsive buyer, because I might not have bought the Jasjar. That being said, I think the oem HTC let us badly down by thinking for us instead of responding to market demands.
Nowadays people want more storage, more memory, more functionality at a reasonable price, u can see the wish list in the wish-list thread, but at the minimum HTC should have put in 128 MB memory and 256 MB rom, to think that devices like the palm offer 4 GB storage means its not a fantasy.
Also robbing customers of the option for usb hosting is not nice, u dont decide what clients want, if its doable still include it and give them the option not to use it if they dont want to.
I am not talking out of thin air, I used to be involved with consultancies that advise for industry.
I hope the next pda from HTC past the Universal will have learned from clients feeback.
Cheers
Nabil H
@nabil,
What are the things that make you feel you shouldn't have purchased the JJ?
universaldoc said:
With BT voice dial, you never have to actually open the device to make a call. I have been using voice dial since long and its simply SUPERB!!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Please tell me what you did to make BT voice dial work when the device is closed.
All that happens to me (and some others based on various posts) is I hear the voice prompt, but then nothing happens. This is using the voice dialer that comes with the JJ. If the device is open or in pda mode, BT voice dial works as it should.
@atekant,
Well, i didn't have to do anything. I just paired my BT headset with the JJ and recorder a few voice tags. Closed the device, put it into its pouch and fired away BT voice dial! Thats it. It works a treat.
I just need to press the button on the headset which then initiates the VSD program on the device (which i know because i hear the beep on the headset). Once i hear the beep, i just speak out one of the voice tags and it instantly makes the call!!! I am sure that within a month, there will be a WM 5 update for MS Voice command which will make recording voice tags a thing of the past. Can it get any easier???
For your info, i use a SonyEricsson HBH-662 BT headset which supports caller ID and BT 1.2. I can honestly say that i have NO problems whatsoever with it and am one happy camper!!!
atekant said:
DaleReeck said:
I think that those wanting a phone first and a PDA second will be disappointed in the JasJar. Those (like me ) wanting a PDA first and phone second, those who want a mini-laptop, will love the JasJar.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't want a phone first, but JJ is very awkward to use as a phone.
Although a lot of the problems are because I am carrying it closed. When there is a decent case for it so I can carry it in pda mode, most problems will go away:
- You can't tell who's calling without opening the device, which is a two handed operation. Walking down the street with a bag in one hand you have to stop, put the bag down, take jj out of pocket, open it up to see who's calling, close it back and decide what to do with the call
- You can't call out without opening the device, which is a two handed operation. Walking down the street with a bag in one hand you have to stop, put the bag down, take jj out of pocket, make a call, close it back and continue with the call. Even a BT headset doesn't help, because voice calling doesn't work when jj is closed
- Even as a pda it is awkward to open it to just check something. WM5 is operable with a single hand, but you need two hands to open it. Again, this won't be a problem when there is a decent case that allows us to carry it open.
As I said, I will probably keep the jj and get a phone for daily use.
Or get a K-Jam
Also, having bricked the jj 4 days after I bought it and having to wait for 2 weeks for a rom, while fighting with imate support twice daily took the joy out of it I think.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree that a small outer display would have been welcome. But it also shows that how you use a cell phone also determines the JasJar's functionality as a phone. For instance, I never really check the caller ID because I always talk to anyone who calls So for me, that isn't an issue but for you it is.
But to be fair, the JasJar isn't my primary phone either. Not because I couldn't use it as such. It's just that my Samsung I730 on Verizon has better coverage and much faster data than GSM on T-Mobile.
ALmost sold my mda pro now.
For almost same price as i bought it.
I think i will try the mda III, or just stick to my mda II.
Size does matter
I dont like having a bluetooth brain wave device next to my brain.
I dont like wifi, only when really needed
You still haven't explained how you switched the Y and Z key :?
Okay guys, this is serious. I'm impressed by my JasJar but i'm not sure it does anything more that i actually need it for than my Imate Jam. As far as I can see there are some good points and some bad points about it and i wouldn't mind some opinons about whether its worth keeping or selling.
Okay my first view on the plus sides:
Screen is excellent quality
Wifi is very fast and much faster than the wifi sd card i have at the moment.
Keyboard is useful combined (but not as big as the fold out one i have for my imate)
Negative Sides:
3g doesn't seem to work in my area so i can't seem to benefit from that
Size is big (i would need a second phone to go out with etc)
Can't see much difference in speed with my level of usage
Pain in the ass to anwser it (imate jam is not a big phone at all)
Software is still a bugger to install etc.
Okay, my mine uses for the jasjar were to be for work. I would be booking appts and keeping track of those appointments and information regarding them on the pda for my work. Although harder to type in, i could in theroy do that on the imate jam. I don't use the wifi alot outside of the home (although it would be useful to use mirc, the web etc while girlfriend is on the pc).
At the moment i'm umming and ahhing because i have to take the phone with me everywhere (actually considering using the jasjar sim free while i'm off work and putting the imate jam back on the road as it were)
REALLY appreciate anyones help to this, its good but i'm not sure if its enough of a step for me to merit not selling it and getting ALOT of money for it (brought as upgrade through o2)
Look forward to the replys
Ian
I'm gonna tell you what I tell other people:
If you don't know what to do with a jasjar then buy the wizard.
The wizard size is as good as big as the jam, has wifi, keyboard and is in those ways much better then the jam.
The reason I need the pro is because I love the vga screen, keyboard and WM5, and I can give support to my customers through logmein.com using 3G.
So sell your jasjar and jam and go buy a wizard.
thanks for the quick response. I'm not sure that I would want a wizard really. I do think that I need to use the exec in a work situation before really considering getting rid of it.
That logmein.com looks rather cool, would like to be able to control my home pc while at work to setup downloads etc. the screen on this is rather special and i'm not against getting a second handset to use for going out etc.
would like to hear anyone elses views if possible.
just to point out to you and myself really i'm lying in bed writing this on the forum with real ease via wifi. hmmmmm another pro to the exec I think!
Ian
thanks for the quick response. I'm not sure that I would want a wizard really. I do think that I need to use the exec in a work situation before really considering getting rid of it.
That logmein.com looks rather cool, would like to be able to control my home pc while at work to setup downloads etc. the screen on this is rather special and i'm not against getting a second handset to use for going out etc.
would like to hear anyone elses views if possible.
just to point out to you and myself really i'm lying in bed writing this on the forum with real ease via wifi. hmmmmm another pro to the exec I think!
Ian
I've tried both, and apologies for readers of this forum, but the Wizard wins hands down. The Universal reminds me of why I ditched the first Ipaqs and went back to Palm years ago. Sure the Pocket PCs had better displays and you could show off playing movie clips, but that novelty soon waned when it was too big to carry and it took ages to lookup a phone number or check your diary.
You've got to weigh up what you _really_ need when you're away from your PC. The whole point to me of having a PDA is that I can access or update my information quickly at all times. The Ipaq seemd to be always at home or in my desk drawer just when I needed it, because it was a pain to carry. Even when I had it, it was sluggish finding the information I needed. The Palms won over because they went with me everywhere, and information retrieval was almost instant.
So, the Universal is a step back to the bad old days - except it's bigger and heavier. Good to show off with but impractical in most situations outside of the work environment because of its bulk.
Don't be fooled by the CPU either. Whatever advantage the Universal has on paper over the Wizard is sapped in real life by the need to update the VGA display. True, the Wizard is no speed merchant (even when compared to a Treo). But I found responsiveness to critical tasks (e.g. starting up Messaging to read/send a text, screen rotation, answering calls) significantly slower on the Universal - and that _really_ starts to annoy when you're in a rush.
So, everything I did with the Universal I can pretty much do on the Wizard, with the big difference that I can take it anywhere. Anyhing else can wait until I'm back at my PC. What's more, I can actually see who's calling and answer a phone call before it drops or diverts to voicemail
And don't forget the resale value. Given the trend of HTC Wizard / Prophet / Atom devices, the longer you hold onto the huge Universal the less saleable it's going to be. Sure, it fills a niche at the moment, but in 12 month's time, is a 1st generation device that big going to have anything but collectors' appeal?
So, unless you only use the Universal in the home and office, the larger keyboard and VGA display are"must haves", and you don't mind missing the odd phone call, then I would say the Wizard was the better bet.
If you really need a VGA display, a keyboard, and top performance, go for a proper PDA like the Dell X51v, a bluetooth keyboard and a seperate cellphone - it'll probably be cheaper, more flexible and easier to carry. And each element will work much better at what it is designed to do.
@Ineedtoys, what a refreshing and objective view on the subject. Having owned a Treo 650 and Clie TH55 I know what you're talking about. In the real world stability, size of device and battery life are still the key requirements and showing your latest toy to friends/work colleagues etc is nice but for most people is not a sufficient reason for buying a device. You either buy a device to meet a personal requirement or buy a device so that you can play with it "like a toy". Decide if you want a real tool or a "toy" first and then you'll be happy with your decision.
My view is that the Universal is not really a cell phone, it is an advanced PDA/mini tablet and you need to use it with another cell phone. The story for the Wizard may be different.
At first I always open the screen and rotated it to see who is calling me, and pick up the phone. Just like my old xda has it's screen outside.
But this take way to long, and most of the time the caller hung up before it was ready to rotate the screen and is able to pick up the call..
Now I just open the lid to see who it is. then close it again and pick up with the side green phone button leaving the pro closed.
If you use it this way i'ts perfect.
At first I had to get used of the size but now I am used to it.
People sometimes think: what the hell is that big thing?
But when I op the "laptop" and rotate it's screen and show the phone it's the coolest thing they've seen .
very interesting reading
Ihave a Universal (o2) for a week now, and am SERIOUSLY thinking of returning it for something else,
I like the Mini s (Wizard) too, but one subject that I believe is left aside is the battery life : with the Universal that I have tested for over a week if I did use the Wifi like 2 hours and a bit of BT and phone, then its battery would be gone by 5pm (starting at 9am !) quite a shame.
My point is : do these devices need to be pluged to the AC anytime we want to use to use the connexions, in that case I can stick with my laptop if need to be wired.
Or is it ony the Universal that is amazingly sucking the battery like no other ?
I appreciate your help as I have to decide if I send it back before friday ! ;-)
Re: very interesting reading
I presume you tried turning the screen brightness and WiFi power right down, and IR beaming off? The Wizard will definately give you longer as it doesn't have the battery sucking screen and has the low power OMAP processor.
The battery life in the Universal seems to get conditioned after a couple of weeks and does improve, but you don't have enough time to wait for that!
already better after 8 days
in fact I have noticed that it is getting better after a week (the battery),
but it's only because I now used the wifi only when I know I have a power nearby and I disable all connexion when I have it in my pocket, same for the brightness etc...
still.. the second point to change it is definately the size : I already have a tablet-pc to play with, so that will do it for now.
Back soon on this forum with the Wizard. :lol:
ill take your universal for my wizard
After owning it for 5 month, I got rid of my Qtek 9100, it turned out a piece of junk..
First the Mail and Internet Explorer keys peeled off, then the gray paint on the sides peeled off, then the keyboard became loose, then the stylus began to fell off by itself...
I don't know what my next PPC will be, I am looking into something more rigid now.
naughty said:
I got rid of my Qtek 9100, it turned out a piece of junk..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Blasphemy...... and in a wizard forum!
I know what you mean though - maybe a prophet will do you, some times i think i would have preferred a prophet being slimmer more rigid and 2mp camera. But today when writing a long text. i know why i like the wizard - the keyboard
naughty said:
After owning it for 5 month, I got rid of my Qtek 9100, it turned out a piece of junk..
First the Mail and Internet Explorer keys peeled off, then the gray paint on the sides peeled off, then the keyboard became loose, then the stylus began to fell off by itself...
I don't know what my next PPC will be, I am looking into something more rigid now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Alrighty - Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Exactly what did you hope to achieve by coming here and posting? Were you hoping to justify your decision to yourself.
Bratag said:
naughty said:
After owning it for 5 month, I got rid of my Qtek 9100, it turned out a piece of junk..
First the Mail and Internet Explorer keys peeled off, then the gray paint on the sides peeled off, then the keyboard became loose, then the stylus began to fell off by itself...
I don't know what my next PPC will be, I am looking into something more rigid now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Alrighty - Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Exactly what did you hope to achieve by coming here and posting? Were you hoping to justify your decision to yourself.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I just wanted to share my disappointment. I will talk to you after you own the Wizard for 5 months, PM me then with feedback.
Well I've had mine for 6 now, and here's my experiences...
- it's slower than expected ( yes, I could overclock, but really.. I don't want it faster that badly )
- the paint peeled off the IE/Mail/Soft key buttons.. ah well, big deal - the mail button goes to the start menu and the IE button clicks on the app close button, so the icons don't match my functions anyway.
- no paint peeled off the sides yet
- no loose stylus yet (I tend to collapse it before inserting it - maybe that reduces stress on the part that breaks off?)
All in all, I'm quite happy with it. Sure, I would've liked it faster, and maybe 640x480 would've been nice (and built-in GPS, FM radio, a 3.5mm headphones plug, better volume on hands-free (oddly, an episode of stargate I put on there plays quite loudly - so it should be possible.. haven't tried those reghacks yet), maybe a scroll wheel, and a 2-3MP decent camera would've been plusses)... but here's the thing... None of the devices out there that fit that bill (to greater or lesser extent) appeal to me. They're either even bulkier and less practical to me (e.g. Universal) or their button layout irks me (Magician, and upcoming 'Wizard replacement' Hermes), etc. Form-factor wise, the Wizard suits me best, and that's why I got it - the slightly slower performance (I noticed it in the store) wasn't so much an issue for me.. I'm not using it to play the latest 3D game.
I have had my QTEK 9100 since January and I have to say that it is the best phone I have ever owned. Of course it is my first Pocket PC so that doesn’t give me much to compare to. It does have some small issues but overall, I am glad I bought it. I am also experiencing the stylus fallout issue but plan to try the suggestion offered in another thread once I receive my replacement stylus next week. No issues yet with the paint but that is not important to me because I have reprogrammed most of the buttons to perform another function anyway. I also find it a pain to have to hard reset when upgrading the ROM or sometimes the device just starts acting weird (like windows 9x) so I just reformat it. Long process but it works. I would have to say that this device is not friendly enough yet for the average consumer but this forum has been a great help with resolving issues and offering tips. I think I would have gone nuts if it weren’t for this forum! The QTEK website is useless for help or ROM updates so I will likely not get another QTEK but will consider the same model from another manufacturer.
keitht said:
The QTEK website is useless for help or ROM updates so I will likely not get another QTEK but will consider the same model from another manufacturer.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I just updated to last ROM using Qtek website, all what you have to do is registering your IMEI in their site, and then you can download any new ROM for free with instructions how to do it, plus there is area fo registered users where you can download Tonerings, games, appz etc... for free. Just wanted to defend Qtek Site and clearing this misunderstanding.
naughty said:
After owning it for 5 month, I got rid of my Qtek 9100, it turned out a piece of junk..
First the Mail and Internet Explorer keys peeled off, then the gray paint on the sides peeled off, then the keyboard became loose, then the stylus began to fell off by itself...
I don't know what my next PPC will be, I am looking into something more rigid now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for sharing your experience.
I had the same paint problem with Himalaya device (qtek2020). I suppose this is due to wet hands I also have the same problem with my notebook ASUS M2Ne. But the problem is solved by annual ordering of the case for notebook and I suppose you can order cases for your handhelds too.
As for now, I don't have any problems as you did with wizard. I will try to be careful with mentioned areas
Thomas1234 said:
keitht said:
The QTEK website is useless for help or ROM updates so I will likely not get another QTEK but will consider the same model from another manufacturer.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I just updated to last ROM using Qtek website, all what you have to do is registering your IMEI in their site, and then you can download any new ROM for free with instructions how to do it, plus there is area fo registered users where you can download Tonerings, games, appz etc... for free. Just wanted to defend Qtek Site and clearing this misunderstanding.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wish it was that easy... tried that and they claim my number is not valid and that I need to contact the vendor where I purchased for updates... well that vendor is EBAY so I am SOL on that. So I rely on this site for my updates.
@keitht :
I guess that the person - who sold this to you - registered the IMEI already therfore you have to know his Username and Password to login, or tell him to delete the IMEI from his account, then you can register your imei for your account.
I don't know if you can reach the seller anyway, but I think this is what happened and this what can be done to solve this problem.
BTW I am happy with the Wizard, but this is only my 3rd day using it , that means this thread doesn't count me.
with regards to the paint peeling off... no, that's not normal, really. If you want these things to last, then you don't use decals (cheap keyboards use these... you'll see the letters 'chip' off) or paint (slightly more expensive keyboards.. the letters will fade) - you use cut-outs or impregnation. On the Wizard, for example, check the green/red phone buttons (when they're not backlit). Those will never fade or chip, as they're cut-outs.
Note that they could have used cut-outs for the other buttons as well, but cut-outs are slightly more expensive, and it would be even more expensive once you factor in branding (e.g. T-Mobile would need a whole special cut-out for their HotSpots icon instead of the IE icon - whereas now, that's just a different stamp)
However, even given that it's not normal - it *is* common, and I've just come to expect it from anything that uses decals/paints for any graphics/lettering. You lean to live with it, unfortunately
I have had more than 10 different pocket pc's and 2 different pocket pc phones in the last 5 years and have to say that my Qtek 9100 is my favorite handheld device yet. It has a great battery life, does not lose data if the battery dies, works great as a web browsing tool, computer, and phone, and also works remarkebly well with bluetooth. I find it to be the first converged device I have owned that I can just use, without having to constantly fuss with it to make it work. It is far from perfect, but definitely good enough for my purposes so that when I travel I do not need to carry my laptop, as it fulfills all my computing needs, albeit with a slightly less than ideal user experience. I am more than willing to put up with the minor idiosyncracies of the device when I consider how many devices it can fill the gap for.
I'm using my Wizard for 7 months now, and it's definitely the best PDA/phone I've ever had. Ok, the build quality isn't on par with brands like Sony-Ericsson or Samsung, but the functionality makes up for everything. I use it for push-mail, navigating, browsing, contacts and calendar. When traveling by train, I hook it up to my laptop and use it as a GPRS-modem (I've got flat-fee GPRS from T-Mobile), zo I'm connected to the internet and the office. I use it at home on the sofa for browsing and MSN when my wife is watching stuff I really don't wanna watch (like soaps). In my car it's used as a navigation device (Adapt 300 GPS) and it's connected with my BT Logitech headset.
The paint hasn't scraped off anywhere, but the stylus comes loose too easy (a single wrap of tape around the black tip works fine).
Great phone, I'd cry if I had to miss it
I have the K-Jam since october 2005, so almost 8 month now.
For me it is also the best PDA in years.
It's the first PDA that lasts longer than half a year with me. :lol:
And I don't even see a suitable successor in the near future.
I don't face the problems with paint peeling off.
Ok, the mail and the IE button have faded a little, but that's all.
And, of course, the speed isn't everything, it could be improved.
The stylus is a little loose, but it doesn't falls out (yet)
And I am very, very pleased with the pushmail and A2DP.
I've had my Vario for around 6 months now, and don't see any of the problems the thread starter has found.
I treat my phone with care amd respect, in return it keeps all its paint on for me.
It may be true that the Vario build quality is not a patch on the MDA Compact, but it's still in good condition.
I've had my vario now for 3 months and the main problem I have with it is the stylus not holding as well as it did when it was new. No paint peeling off etc.
It may only be a 195mhz processor, but it is faster than my Treo 650 with a 312mhz processor.
I've used most of the Treos' and this is my first device on the 'dark side'! The treo is simpler to use, but the wizard was the closest I could get with the same size form. Unfortunately for Palm, WM5 is streets ahead of Palm os - maybe that is why they released the 700w.
Anyway, the 700 is not an option for me in the UK.
Connecting to 2 bluetooth devices at the same time, stereo bluetooth capability - all things treo 650 users wanted, multitasking - the list goes on. I can see me upgrading to the 3G version of the wizard when it's time to upgrade my phone in the future, in a little over a year.
When I was given the phone by T-Mobile, I wasn't going to use it, and just use my Treo 650, but the more I read about the vario and then used it, the more I liked it.
The wizard rocks.
I LOVE everything abouth my wizard! I'll upgrade only to wizard with microdrive (when ever it be)!
My 8125 is my first "Dark Side" device too. I've never been happier. The only thing I miss about PalmOS was the wonderful screen realestate on my Tungsten T3.
I've punished the case on mine pretty badly too and it's never chipped or peeled. The only thing that happened was that little rubber "foot" on the battery cover came off. I wonder if the various style of Wizard cases are built by different manufacturers? That could account for this.
Hello,
If I buy a Hemes it should make a lap top obsolete, but I am worried that the screen will not be big enough for taking notes on meetings.
Does anyone here use it for meeting notes and what´s your experience from it.
Of course I will buy a foldable bluetooth keyboard to use it with.
/Danne
I often use my TyTN for taking meeting notes. It's certainly not as fast as typing on a laptop, but it's hard to beat the fact that I always have it with me
The TyTN isn't going to make your laptop obsolete. That's just crazy talk.
It is nice to have around, however.
richy240 said:
The TyTN isn't going to make your laptop obsolete. That's just crazy talk.
It is nice to have around, however.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Could you motivate your answer please?
I will of course still have my home computer still. But I don´t see any reason for having a lap top IF I can use it to take notes with.
Danne
Typing is cumbersome, but a Bluetooth keyboard might help with that. They're still kinda expensive though. Also, the screen is kinda small so referencing notes taken a moment ago might be difficult.
On the plus side, you wouldn't have to lug around a laptop (as if they're really that bad), plug it in, etc.
It just might work for these purposes.
I'd like to chip in here. I'm addicted to gadgets and the internet; I even took my laptop to the Christmas party.
I'm a trainer and I'm always on the move, going to people's offices. Now that I've got email and internet browsing set up, I'm using the TyTn more and more. It's almost become my primary device.
When I'm in my office all day, then yes the laptop comes out. But most days the TyTn gets used more. The key thing I've noticed is that at home for casual browsing I quite frequently can't be bothered to get the laptop out any more. There's a couple of sites I like to keep up with (mainly here and The Register) and I just check them out on the PDA from time to time.
I can't help you with meeting notes, Danne, as I don't do it. I would point out that you can load software to make your PDA act like a dictaphone though, which might help.
Overall I think the "laptop replacement" question rests on what you use the device for though. For some it's quite possible.
I have completely replaced my laptop with my TyTN. I have a ThinkOutside BT keyboard that I use when I'm on the road or in meetings.
Just record the entire damn meeting
Mouse
Sleuth255 said:
I have completely replaced my laptop with my TyTN. I have a ThinkOutside BT keyboard that I use when I'm on the road or in meetings.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That sounds good, do you use a mouse as well? Is it even possible to connect a mouse?
And I guess you never experice that the screen is too small.
/Danne
Thanks
...for your replies so far.
Sorry about the delay to ansvering, we have a different time zone in Sweden you know
Danne
Danne said:
That sounds good, do you use a mouse as well? Is it even possible to connect a mouse?
And I guess you never experice that the screen is too small.
/Danne
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have good eyesight, so I use small fonts to maximize screen realestate. ThinkOutside's drivers include BT mouse support but I've never tried it. I wonder if it actually places a movable mouse pointer on the screen?
The ThinkOutSide keyboard has built in shortcuts for the Office apps, softkeys, Today & start button and I use these alot. Most mark/cut/copy/paste functions are available on the keyboard as well. What's nice is that I have IM (communicator mobile) and DirectPush email going. With this setup, I can dynamically respond to emails and IMs without touching the screen while the meeting's in session then easily switch back to my notes (I use PW for note taking since it has text formatting capabilities).
Having PIE available for Realtime Googling (to check the Bullsh!t factor during Vendor presentations) is nice too
Ok, thanks. Hopefully I feel the same way about the size. A am not shure what PW stands for but Word or Wordpad will probably work fine.
PocketWord?
Jepp, I guess so I do not own a smartphone yet som I don´t know about the programs.
Haha sorry guys for posting an essentially pointless thread but I've been ALWAYS wanting an Advantage and I finally got one coming for a good deal. I'm pretty geeked. I also have a Touch as a backup so I may only use this during certain situtations. My main and ONLY concern was that it doesn't have an earpiece but I'll figure something out. I think I may take a BT headset apart and flatten it to the back or something. I'm sure I'll post my efforts here so look out.
Does anyone have a suggestion to what the "best" ROM is available? I'm looking for speed and stability and one that works with GSEN on an x7500.
Cheers
no clue since i own the 7510
but GSEN works perfectly for me.
Coolest thing is when watching videos in CorePlayer, with GSEN, it rotates on the fly, and it doesn;t matter how you have the thing aligned, it'll always show it correctly
AllGamer said:
no clue since i own the 7510
but GSEN works perfectly for me.
Coolest thing is when watching videos in CorePlayer, with GSEN, it rotates on the fly, and it doesn;t matter how you have the thing aligned, it'll always show it correctly
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sweet can't wait. My luck it won't work on the 7500...
if you want gsen to work with your 7500, you would have to download roms made by irus or sogarth. i've installed these on my 7500 and gsen works just fine. if you don't install these roms, most likely you will come up with a message saying "cannot locate gsen 3" or something like that. so far these roms that they've released are the best for the 7500 (if you want to have the autorotate feature). although gsen will work, there are many applications / games (ported out from the htc diamond) that work for some and at the same don't work at all for others.
however, roms by michy are also fantastic...though they don't support gsen....but i think he's working on that =)
congrats, juice. Its definitely not intuitive/easy-to-use in the phone department, not like most dedicated phones on the market. I recently went back to using an old flip phone for a week (trip to Disney, didn't want to loose or damage my Athena) and it definitely made me yearn for ease-of-use for simple phone calls. But, with a device that can almost literally do everything you have to accept some trade-off.
Many of us use the Jabra BT8010. It somewhat makes up for the shortfalls since its has vibrate, caller ID, and gives you a private earpiece. Also gives you stereo of you want that.
I've been thinking about trying to find a cheap flip or candybar phone that supports bluetooth HFP with Athena as host, or HSP, or PBAP and SAP, or maybe CTP ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile ). Bottom line, the ability to use the dedicated phone as a phone without having its own SIM. But, it would be a larger solution than just sticking with my 8010 and would probably need charging every other day so I stick with my 8010. The battery on the 8010 lasts forever.
techntrek said:
congrats, juice. Its definitely not intuitive/easy-to-use in the phone department, not like most dedicated phones on the market. I recently went back to using an old flip phone for a week (trip to Disney, didn't want to loose or damage my Athena) and it definitely made me yearn for ease-of-use for simple phone calls. But, with a device that can almost literally do everything you have to accept some trade-off.
Many of us use the Jabra BT8010. It somewhat makes up for the shortfalls since its has vibrate, caller ID, and gives you a private earpiece. Also gives you stereo of you want that.
I've been thinking about trying to find a cheap flip or candybar phone that supports bluetooth HFP with Athena as host, or HSP, or PBAP and SAP, or maybe CTP ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile ). Bottom line, the ability to use the dedicated phone as a phone without having its own SIM. But, it would be a larger solution than just sticking with my 8010 and would probably need charging every other day so I stick with my 8010. The battery on the 8010 lasts forever.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Good info thanks alot. Yeah I sometimes take a bunch of calls and sometimes hardly ever. I'm thinking I'm just going to ignore calls that I can call back later in private over speaker. I'm also going to try and stick my ear up to the speaker(probably not possible since the speakers look located on the side). Holy $hi4 would that be hilarious looking. But my main prob will be the calls that I have to take in public... I'm serious about flattening out a BT headset to the back or side.
Have you seen the guy who put a BT headset in a glove? Same concept. Take apart a BT headset it ends up being mostly wires and/or a little chip(s). Maybe put a slight mold/cover over it so there might be a minimum hump. But at the size it already is wouldn't be a deal breaker in any shape or form. It however would need to be charged separately. I'm going to be carrying it without keyboard or case so I'm trying to minimalize it's "footprint" all around. Having to carry another piece of tech like a BT headset I think would get very annoying. I will probably keep one in the car though.
Speaking of the car, thats another reason I'm getting this. My commute to work just doubled and I always wanted a "car computer". IMHO mounting an Advantage(or a UMPC for that matter) is the quickest easiest way to do that. I can watch the news on my way home from work via Sling(not that I would ever do that because it's very dangerous and probably illegal). Check realtime weather not to mention big screen GPS. Oh can't wait to test Live Search with the Satellite view. I also got some webcams set around my house that now I can watch in VGA!
This is going to be interesting.
not sure what you find so hard about the Athena as a phone.
but using any BT headset, specially the Jabra BT8010, you can do a simple 1 click, and say who you want to dial, and it dials it for you.
sooooo easy to use.
my Palm Treo never worked so well, even with th same features.
techntrek said:
and it definitely made me yearn for ease-of-use for simple phone calls. But, with a device that can almost literally do everything you have to accept some trade-off.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Dedicated phones are 1-hand friendly, with all my other phones (since 1993) I've been able to use memory dialing or even dial a new number without even looking at the phone while going down the road.
With my BT in my pocket where I can't get it when I'm driving, its a multi-step process to make an outgoing phone call right from the Athena... turn off BT takes 3 button presses, then dialing can take from 2 to many more... then turn BT back on when I'm done... and most if it also can't be done with one hand.
Nothing as easy as using a dedicated phone, even with my old Motorola Star-Tac.
hey juiceppc - also make sure you upgrade your phone to radio 1.58 if you are often in 3G coverage. Otherwise I recommend 1.57.