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Screen jittering while playing videos

When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.

Hi, there are some posts that have tips to help with playback using TCMP, but I myself quickly got irritated with it and installed the latest PocketTV, watched a few of my mpeg's with it and it plays them good, you might check it out.
http://www.pockettv.com/
hope that might be of some help to you.

ump001 said:
When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
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This is a known incompatibility issue with all Hermes devices and betaboy from Corecodec will be looking into it, when they get hold of a hermes device. Pocket TV as mentioned in the above post, only supports ATI Imageon 3200 device chipsets, the Hermes has a different one (still unknown which one), that is not yet yet supported under TCPMP. Additionally, the Hermes ATI decoder only hardware supports MP4 playback, but you should be able to get non-scrambled screen and semi-acceptable playback in Rawframebuffer mode. For ATI hardware accelleration on the hermes try encoding MP4 video clips and playing back in WMP10 until TCPMP issue is resolved. Excellent playback and not jittering in playback, forward/rewind or in pause and resume.
Hope this helps.

I dunno about all the chipset junk, but pockettv plays em very nicely, and I don't have to reencode all my videos(what a waste of time) or deal with semi acceptable playback.

NumSkull!!
ChaoticDruid said:
I dunno about all the chipset junk, but pockettv plays em very nicely, and I don't have to reencode all my videos(what a waste of time) or deal with semi acceptable playback.
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PocketTV supports: MPEG-1/MPEG..........that's it!
TCPMP supports:
Video: MPEG-1, MPEG, MPEG-4, DivX, XviD, AVC/H.264, Theora, MKV, Dirac, OGM, WMV
Audio: MP3, AAC, AC3, OGG, Shoutcast support, MKA, MPC, Speex, FLAC, AMR, u-law, Wav
Pictures: JPG, PNG, TIFF, MJPEG
Multimedia: COSP, SVG
....but if all you want to do is playback MPEGs (which still have to be encoded at a resolution and bit-rate PocketTV can support - even if you haven't had to do it!), then stick with whatever you're happy with.
However most people who are used to having the freedom of using various formats as is supported by TCPMP, will undoubtedly miss the many adjustable settings that also come with the player, hence posts in this particular thread for those who are trying to achieve the type of flawless device/software compatibility most of us have been accustomed to in the past with TCPMP.
Have you ever even tried TCPMP? Have you even considered that AVI file formats & codecs dramatically reduce filesize compared to MPEG, with substantially better quality? There are many different factors why we all use different software and usually the same common denominator why most choose to use the same software i.e .....it's the best out there!!
Even the name of the software you advocate is non-sensical....PocketTV??!! Where is the TV part of the application? Anyway nuff said. For those who know what I'm talking about, my forementioned posts already stated that Betaboy and the Corecodec development team are looking into the compatibility issue regarding the Hermes. Meanwhile my suggestion was, in the interim, to encode new vids to MP4 if you desire DVD quality on your PPC but that you can, for now ONLY,.....get acceptable playback using Rawframebuffer mode, still giving you more format options than the useless PocketTV. :lol:

yep, just turn off the ati and use rawframe buffer option in the tcpmp video options.

mackaby007 said:
ump001 said:
When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
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This is a known incompatibility issue with all Hermes devices and betaboy from Corecodec will be looking into it, when they get hold of a hermes device. Pocket TV as mentioned in the above post, only supports ATI Imageon 3200 device chipsets, the Hermes has a different one (still unknown which one), that is not yet yet supported under TCPMP. Additionally, the Hermes ATI decoder only hardware supports MP4 playback, but you should be able to get non-scrambled screen and semi-acceptable playback in Rawframebuffer mode. For ATI hardware accelleration on the hermes try encoding MP4 video clips and playing back in WMP10 until TCPMP issue is resolved. Excellent playback and not jittering in playback, forward/rewind or in pause and resume.
Hope this helps.
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Does WMP10 support MPEG4 derivatives i.e. XVid and DivX "out of the box" or do I need codecs?
Thanks

rpwood said:
mackaby007 said:
ump001 said:
When i play any videos on my Vario II, the screen seems to jitter in potrait mode, but when in landscape it seems ok but then doesnt play properly.
Anyone else having this problem. I'm usuing TCMP as the player.
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This is a known incompatibility issue with all Hermes devices and betaboy from Corecodec will be looking into it, when they get hold of a hermes device. Pocket TV as mentioned in the above post, only supports ATI Imageon 3200 device chipsets, the Hermes has a different one (still unknown which one), that is not yet yet supported under TCPMP. Additionally, the Hermes ATI decoder only hardware supports MP4 playback, but you should be able to get non-scrambled screen and semi-acceptable playback in Rawframebuffer mode. For ATI hardware accelleration on the hermes try encoding MP4 video clips and playing back in WMP10 until TCPMP issue is resolved. Excellent playback and not jittering in playback, forward/rewind or in pause and resume.
Hope this helps.
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Does WMP10 support MPEG4 derivatives i.e. XVid and DivX "out of the box" or do I need codecs?
Thanks
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Don't think you can add codec to the WMP10, but I could be mistaken. As far as I know, it won't support any derivatives of the MPEG4 family only 'original' mp4 as in i-Pod mp4, hence the reason why I use 'ImTOO DVD to iPod Converter 4' and 'ImTOO iPod Movie Converter'. They work perfectly for me for the meantime, but I will be switching back to Divx and Xvid once the Coreplayer 1.0 Mobile CE has been released. You just can't beat their filesizes over quality. MP4's look every bit as good as the best AVI's, but the difference in size is anything from 200-300 megs of extra space!

thanks for the hint of changing to raw buffer in video option. works great. i love tcmp!!!! it is the THE corking best

glad you got it sorted, TCPMP is superb, even without the ATI.

How to Fix ATI ImageON Bug in CorePlayer

CorePlayer and TCPMP does not support DirectDraw RGB mode and ATI ImageOn Video Accleration, after turn on the this option the screen can not display correctly, it seem have typhoon run on the screen.
Only DirectDraw YV12 YUY2 mode and Raw FrameBuffer can rendering correctly, but the performance on playing 640x480 DivX video is very terrible. The average speed only got 45%-70%.
I found some information in corecode forum TYTN and Hermes seem fixed some bug. but that method can not apply on Athena.

What setting are others using. I've tried running a 600x320 movie with Core player 0.81. It was very slow and stuttery.

Slave1 said:
What setting are others using. I've tried running a 600x320 movie with Core player 0.81. It was very slow and stuttery.
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my movie on tcpmp runs very smooth, full scrren with sound all sets to highest quality. no problem at all.

Using TCPMP, latest version. video playback is unwatchable, audio is fine but video is jerky, 1 frame per second or worse.
Wu5262, can you post the settings you are using please.

Pantaloonie said:
Using TCPMP, latest version. video playback is unwatchable, audio is fine but video is jerky, 1 frame per second or worse.
Wu5262, can you post the settings you are using please.
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Video quality set to highest
video driver set to Raw FrameBuffer
Audio set to Stereo
Audio Drive use Wave output
Sound and movie play very very well, no delay at all. Let me know if you have different result.

Perfect! I had the video driver set wrong.
Working perfectly now, many thanks.

Great that works for me too.

Also guys & gals..tick the box for Micro drive in the settings dialogue...it helps. Has anybody managed to get DVD quality yet? If so, please give more info like encoded resolution, bit rate and codec used and application used for encoding.
Most of my old movies were encoded to 320x240 @ 600kbps and looked like DVD quality on my QVGA Hermes, but those same movies play very well on the Ameo, buy are stretched to smitherines and don't look good at all.
I've now tried using DVD-Ripped files (same encoding process as torrents) and these look absolutely beautiful, but are wide screen format so don't fill the entire screen. It benchtested at around 118% on Coreplayer and looks slightly better than on TCPMP which strangely benches at a slightly better 120%.
Another few suggestions:
In Coreplayer preferences:
Untick 'Slow video memory' & Tick 'Override AVI timing based on audio'.
Under Video I have selected:
Video: Rawframebuffer mode
Video Quality: High
Smooth Zoom: On
Don't Tick 'Dither' as it seems to cause the movie to look worse.
Good luck.

Here is my setting in CorePlayer 1.04 Build 716
1000Kbps 640 x 480 DivX Movie. Speed is reasonable.
~~DirectDraw Page~~
Overlay format: YV12 **** Remember must set this option first******
~~Video Page~~
Video output: ATI IMAGEON
Video Quality: High
Smooth Zoom: On
Dither: OFF
Accleration: OFF
P.S. We can't get the full performance on No DirectDraw overlay in RGB and ATI ImageOn with accleration,
But there have BUG in ATI ImageOn decoder in CorePlayer because ATI did not disclose the ImageOn structure.

simdao said:
Here is my setting in CorePlayer 1.04 Build 716
1000Kbps 640 x 480 DivX Movie. Speed is reasonable.
~~DirectDraw Page~~
Overlay format: YV12 **** Remember must set this option first******
~~Video Page~~
Video output: ATI IMAGEON
Video Quality: High
Smooth Zoom: On
Dither: OFF
Accleration: OFF
P.S. We can't get the full performance on No DirectDraw overlay in RGB and ATI ImageOn with accleration,
But there have BUG in ATI ImageOn decoder in CorePlayer because ATI did not disclose the ImageOn structure.
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Thanks for that Simdao...those settings you got do actually produce much better performance results. No lost frames now and benchtest has risen from 118% to 145% on coreplayer!!
Bare in mind people that I'm using proper DVD rips in which the video resolution is and bit rate is considerably higher than for 320x240 mp4s or equvalent Divx files....those files should yield benchtest results og 280% - 300%+.
This is great...only problem with the ATI Imageon software renderer is that you get some 'minor distortion' in interface mode...but perfection in full screen mode. Cheers mate.

Bloody ATI ****e...
mackaby007 said:
Thanks for that Simdao...those settings you got do actually produce much better performance results. No lost frames now and benchtest has risen from 118% to 145% on coreplayer!!
Bare in mind people that I'm using proper DVD rips in which the video resolution is and bit rate is considerably higher than for 320x240 mp4s or equvalent Divx files....those files should yield benchtest results og 280% - 300%+.
This is great...only problem with the ATI Imageon software renderer is that you get some 'minor distortion' in interface mode...but perfection in full screen mode. Cheers mate.
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Take that back. ATI has screwed up coreplayer today...I can't even get to change the settings as it crashes all the time even with soft-resetting the device!
TCPMP seems more stable in allowing me to change settings back to Rawframebuffer mode. Problems are definitely not resolved with ATI and Coreplayer or TCPMP....here we go again.

mackaby007 said:
Take that back. ATI has screwed up coreplayer today...I can't even get to change the settings as it crashes all the time even with soft-resetting the device!
TCPMP seems more stable in allowing me to change settings back to Rawframebuffer mode. Problems are definitely not resolved with ATI and Coreplayer or TCPMP....here we go again.
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I have an experience when i close the coreplayer it CRASH ever time, after uninstall and re-install the coreplayer the problem had solved.

mackaby007 said:
Take that back. ATI has screwed up coreplayer today...I can't even get to change the settings as it crashes all the time even with soft-resetting the device!
TCPMP seems more stable in allowing me to change settings back to Rawframebuffer mode. Problems are definitely not resolved with ATI and Coreplayer or TCPMP....here we go again.
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I am using Coreplayer as well
no problem found at this moment using the above setting. Speed is good and no crashing so far

wu5262 said:
I am using Coreplayer as well
no problem found at this moment using the above setting. Speed is good and no crashing so far
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I have had no problems so far other than some divx/xvid encoded with AC3 audio stream dont work, so i get no Audio, using TCMP. Anyone no a work around?

Get the AC3 plugin from http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/test/

Pantaloonie said:
Get the AC3 plugin from http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/test/
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Thanks mate will download and test .....

Is there any real fix to this problem ?
Are you guys able to play DIVX movies with quality ? our any TV SERIES ?
This might be the main reason that i am not going to buy the HTC Athena since there isnt any real and final fix for this problem that comes from the TYTN ..... why cant ATI help with this ? ....
dammmm

Mine seems to play ok. The picture even looks good through the vga port.

so you guys are saying that playback so far of call files have perfect video quality with no conversion nesessary?

DVD Rips look perfect!!
dutchschultz said:
so you guys are saying that playback so far of call files have perfect video quality with no conversion nesessary?
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What I'm saying is that Torrent DVD-Rips...search for ''axxo" rips on torrentspy.com (his rips are near on perfect), are absolutely perfect looking on the Athena. Comparable to DVD or even High def quality!!
Benching at 160%+ now too in TCPMP, but Coreplayer 1.04 has no AC3 audio support...hence the switch back to TCPMP 0.72RC....NO Conversion of video file necessary.

Audio/video out of sync on 8525/WM6

Hi guys, I'm trying to track down the source of this problem. Right now I can't seem to fix a problem where audio lags behind video by a short amount of time. I've tried TCPMP 0.72RC1 and CorePlayer 1.04 and both of them have audio/video sync problems. I don't have access to CorePlayer 1.1.1 right now and I'm not willing to pay $25 for a product which I haven't tested for myself to see if it works yet.
So, anyways, what I have here is an a DivX encoded MPEG4, bitrate about 600kbps, audio is 128kbps stereo MP3. I've tested both TCPMP 0.72RC1 and CorePlayer 1.04, both have the same problem. I don't know why I can't seem to adjust the audio/video offset to have negative values, every time I put a negative value in, it always reverts to positive when I close the Preferences. Also for some reason I don't have the ATI Imageon Decoder option in Preferences, I only have access to DirectDraw right now. I don't know if that's because I only have the Smartphone version of CorePlayer 1.04.
This is with WM6, vp3G 3.0.0 ROM (includes the ATI Imageon fix).
Can anybody help me out here?

Well, just following up with OP, I did find a copy of CorePlayer 1.1.1 and not only does it work correctly with ATI Imageon with acceleration enabled (unlike TCPMP 0.72RC1 and CorePlayer 1.04), but I can set audio/video offset to a negative value in Preferences now! If I set offset to -0.200s then the audio and video looks in sync for me.
Interestingly, with ATI Imageon acceleration enabled, my benchmark for my MPEG4 video encode went from 172% in DirectDraw mode to 525% in ATI Imageon mode. So I guess maybe that damned ATI Imageon chip is useful for something after all. Too bad TCMCP isn't being updated anymore, but I'm glad somebody is working on CorePlayer to make it better, even if it costs money.

TCPMP Playback

anyone else finding the playback a little laggy on this???
What can be done on this settings wise???
I have installed the SDHC fix/tune.
Should i have installed the player to the device not the SD Card?
Thanks
Antony

I think TCPMP is completely useless on Blackstone.

It works for me, though I have to admit I encode the movies at 400x240 with DivX at 500kbps. Maybe at MPEG2 you can go higher.
Also, I noticed the GDI driver is very slow, Raw framebuffer is better.
Setting the video at 200% rather than any auto-zoom helped some
Setting 'slow video-memory' in the advanced settings helped a lot.
Still with all this a benchmark only goes to about 160~190%, so I would not try full 800x480 encoding. Its a bit of a pity, because not being able to just dump an AVI on the device and having to recode it first does take the usefulness a bit down.
Maybe we should buy coreplayer. I hear it has the hardware driver enabled.

I have heard that core player still has issues on the blackstone and that they will be resolved maybe in 2.0.... im thinking to wait....

playing video on athena - Please Share your experiences

Please Share your experiences.
For example:
1) What is the best video player ( coreplayer, tcpmp,others)
2) What is the best video output method in coreplayer and tcpmp ( Ati IMAGEON, direct draw,etc)
3) What is the best video format to play , xvid , wmv, divx,etc
4) What is the best resolution to play in athena
5) Is better to convert before play, or doesn't mater
6) Playing subtitles, , and flicker problems
7) others

tcpmp .081 Ati IMAGEON result is not good
but I do not know why
3) divx
5) 6) PocketDivxEncoder

I'm using AP4 rom and only use xcpuscalar (from immieresoft.com) @ 624 or 663MHz when viewing movies on TCPMP. Problems usually only occur when the Athena's auto cpu scaling changes speeds and xcpuscalar eliminates those changes.
To encode, I use dvdDecrypter to copy movies onto my hard-drive and AutoGordianKnot to convert to Xvid avi and set maximum width (advanced settings) to 640 and output size to Target quality 100%. The movies usually benchmark really close to 100% (sometimes slightly more or slightly less) and have minimal frame drops on most movies (the best was 7~13 out of 19,###).
I've been very happy with my x7501 lately...

My best setting's for TCMP 0.72 RC1 are:
Check:
ATI IMAGEON
DITHER
Unchek:
Smooth Zoom (only 50%)
Smooth Zomm (always)
Quality-> Normal
Video runs ok, good speed.
Subtiltes no so good (flicker problems)

I'm using TCPMP 0.71 with good results
My checked settings are:
Video >
Smooth Zoom (only 50%)
Quality normal
video > Raw Framebuffer
I also enabled Microdrive mode with a buffer of 16000KB
I also have these TCPMP plugins:
AC3
FFMPEG
Vorbis LQ
For Encoding nothing beats Pocket DivX encoder.
Cheers!

I think, ATI Imageon (using "ati3200.plg" plugin for TCPMP, or internal ATI-plugin in Core Player (turn OFF hardware acceleration for nice work)) chosen as a video driver - the best solution. It shows the best results in benchmark, better than Raw Framebuffer or Direct Draw. But if you use Core Player (TCPMP) with ATI Imageon driver after using camera, you must reboot (soft-reset) your device for normal work of driver. And remember - turn flag off from "hardware acceleration" in Core Player (video).
DVD-rips plays good.

ATI-plugin for TCPMP attached here:

Using CorePlayer ver.1.1.3 & TCPMP 0.72+ATI Driver3200.
Both have a problem: DELAYED VOICE SOUND after 1-2 minutes playing.
Any suggestions?