Hi all.
Recently got the new Coreplayer (formerly TCPMP but now commercial version with built in codecs).
Please feel free to download the .zip file which contains 4 differently encoded 1 minute video files taken from a vob/DVD source file for benchmarking/comparison purposes.
I've had mixed results and would appreciate any feedback, especially with regards to the AVC test video, as I simply cannot get it to bench past 106% successfully on my Hermes. Considering the H264 codec is supposedly the way to go in terms of great balance between quality and file size, I'm really trying hard to achieve this. It has been achieved by many across many other platforms, but I've not heard from anyone with a Hermes having had good results as yet.
Sorry about the poor quality jpeg of Benchmark results, but the .zip file has a larger and better copy within it.
There's much discussion going on over at:
http://www.corecodec.com/forum/index.php?topic=3324.0
Please feel free to join in and contribute.
Downloads at the bottom of this post (hopefully). No, sorry Uploads failed! Will try again when I hear back from webmaster. Unless anyone knows where I can upload a 14mb zip file (4 small video files).
I havent used coreplayer yet but the version of tcpmp im running (and using the imate ROM) REALLY likes avi files encoded with xVid mpeg4(2 pass)....using auto gordian knott technique.
managed to get a decent few hours of synced playback no problem with that encoding method.
mackaby007 said:
Hi all.
Downloads at the bottom of this post (hopefully). No, sorry Uploads failed! Will try again when I hear back from webmaster. Unless anyone knows where I can upload a 14mb zip file (4 small video files).
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The Wiki seems to allow bigger uploads
Mike
I found that if the video res is higher than the screen, it chugs like no other...haven't tested with regular res yet.
DivX 6.4.0 & DVDx....excellent on Hermes!!
I've had some pleasing results at last, but not through CoreAVC. Instead I'm having much better results using CoreASP. I'm now using Divx 6.4.0 with DVDx and am encoding using Divx's High Quality setting 4. This omits the need for choosing the appropriate bitrate and the resluting file still ends up smaller than MP4 H264 or x264 etc.
In the Divx codec settings I choose 'Auto detect' for 'Noise Reduction' and 'Bicubic Sharp' for 'Resize Filter' on the 'Video properties' page and 320x240 resolution. On the 'Main' page I choose 'HQ 4' setting....that's it. It takes a little longer to encode than I would like e.g. 55 minutes for a 80 minute movie, but it really does look like High Def on a small screen, Benchmarks comfortably in excess of 125% and more and additionally plays with the type of fluidity that leaves no room for complaint. 277mb for 80min of VERY HQ with no blocking/artifacts of any kind.
I've only tested an animated film at this stage but will encode an action movie to see if I get the same pleasing results. If I do, my quest ends here. I'll post my findings shortly, either way.
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Mike
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Thanks mike, but I've found a much better way of encoding IMHO, so I don't need to upload anymore.
Hi all.
After some more testing and lots of encodes, i thought I'd share my findings.
In short, I encoded to low and high bit rate vids:
1) AVC MP4s using Nero Recode and Super (.mp4)
2) Standard MP4s using ImToo DVD to Ipod Converter (.mp4)
3) PocketDivxEncoder (.avi)
4) 3GP Converter v031 & 034 (.mp4 AVC & .avi)
5) DVDx and DivX 6.4.0 (.avi)
Best results were still no.5 DVDx and DivX 6.4.0 nothing else even came close in terms of quality but AVC by far generated the smallest filesizes, as did PocketDivxEncoder.
I wonder how you guys managed to run a video on TyTN using the CorePlayer at all, as it does not support the ATI Graphics chip in the right way.
When I try to start a video playback, I get a real shaked display that is unreadable.
See also here: http://www.corecodec.com/forum/index.php?topic=3333.0
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I wonder how you guys managed to run a video on TyTN using the CorePlayer at all, as it does not support the ATI Graphics chip in the right way.
When I try to start a video playback, I get a real shaked display that is unreadable.
See also here: http://www.corecodec.com/forum/index.php?topic=3333.0
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I'm having same problem. Any other alternative soft meanwhile?
That's a known bug. Picard & BetaBoy are aware of it and are waiting for information from ATI. ITMT use Raw Frame Buffer.
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Hi all.
After some more testing and lots of encodes, i thought I'd share my findings.
In short, I encoded to low and high bit rate vids:
1) AVC MP4s using Nero Recode and Super (.mp4)
2) Standard MP4s using ImToo DVD to Ipod Converter (.mp4)
3) PocketDivxEncoder (.avi)
4) 3GP Converter v031 & 034 (.mp4 AVC & .avi)
5) DVDx and DivX 6.4.0 (.avi)
Best results were still no.5 DVDx and DivX 6.4.0 nothing else even came close in terms of quality but AVC by far generated the smallest filesizes, as did PocketDivxEncoder.
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what is the difference in size between pocketdivxencoder and dvdx? (trying to determine if i should switch over now, or wait till i get a 2gb card.
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what is the difference in size between pocketdivxencoder and dvdx? (trying to determine if i should switch over now, or wait till i get a 2gb card.
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Hi y2whisper. Sorry about the long delay, but been tied up. Not literally.lol.
Anyway....pocketdivxencoder is great and results in fairly small filesizes due to its 2 pass encoding process. You can achieve the same with DVDx & DivX 6.4.0 by specifying one of the multi-pass functions (haven't actually used though). From my experience (using other software), you'll get better quality vids with 1 pass encodes, but smaller files with 2 Pass. The choice is yours.
I chose a new 2GB card and the 1 Pass method outlined in my previous post. There's no looking back for me. Hope it works out for you.
Hey thanks for the response, i will try it and and see the actual size of files, haven't done movies in a while, normally just shows i taped and recap while on the treadmill
mackaby007 said:
Hi all.
After some more testing and lots of encodes, i thought I'd share my findings.
In short, I encoded to low and high bit rate vids:
1) AVC MP4s using Nero Recode and Super (.mp4)
2) Standard MP4s using ImToo DVD to Ipod Converter (.mp4)
3) PocketDivxEncoder (.avi)
4) 3GP Converter v031 & 034 (.mp4 AVC & .avi)
5) DVDx and DivX 6.4.0 (.avi)
Best results were still no.5 DVDx and DivX 6.4.0 nothing else even came close in terms of quality but AVC by far generated the smallest filesizes, as did PocketDivxEncoder.
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thx mackaby007, i'm going to try DVDx now.
tried with nero and avc, but it just doesn't play smoothly with LVSW 5-20-07
have you tried any more combinations?
Suggest you give AutoGK a go.
Ive already posted about my findings in this thread (see post 19 onwards) MUCH success with it.
AutoGK rocks, got some great results with it, thx mrvanx
compared the results with avc and avc is pretty good for filesize/quality but the hermes can't play it without jerkiness. autogk+xvid=awesome quality
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AutoGK rocks, got some great results with it, thx mrvanx
compared the results with avc and avc is pretty good for filesize/quality but the hermes can't play it without jerkiness. autogk+xvid=awesome quality
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No problem. I figured it would be widely known!?!
Im currently updating my hermes upgrade guide to have a tutorial on making decent looking vids.
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I am enjoying my new toy, but compared to my PSP the movies look really crap!
this device has a 600 hz chip and yet struggles with a 640x480 25 fps movie
I downloaded the F4 silver surfer which everyone said was great but compared to a Psp movie it looked like VHS.
does anyone know why this is and will it improve?
spacecat said:
I am enjoying my new toy, but compared to my PSP the movies look really crap!
this device has a 600 hz chip and yet struggles with a 640x480 25 fps movie
I downloaded the F4 silver surfer which everyone said was great but compared to a Psp movie it looked like VHS.
does anyone know why this is and will it improve?
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Get tcpmp downloaded.......if that doesnt improve the playback it might be the same reason why the hermes was crap at video playback.....the OS sucks!
the hermes now plays videos quite nicely on WM6.....are you still on WM5?
no I am on wm6
I read another thread and am trying some different settings so hopefully it will mprove
still for such a pricey device it should work out of the box
it is most likely the conversion software you r using or the format that its in. i use spb mobile dvd 1.2 and i convert it into wmv so i can use wmp10 and not TCPMP. if you want to try a "TRIAL " copy i can send it to you, just drop me a line.
[email protected]
irus said:
it is most likely the conversion software you r using or the format that its in. i use spb mobile dvd 1.2 and i convert it into wmv so i can use wmp10 and not TCPMP. if you want to try a "TRIAL " copy i can send it to you, just drop me a line.
[email protected]
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email has been sent
err its ok i seem to have found the TRIAL copy
nice video here i use tcmp and select the video driver ATI
run a few tests and its better but cant touch PSP AVC movies for quality
spacecat said:
I am enjoying my new toy, but compared to my PSP the movies look really crap!
this device has a 600 hz chip and yet struggles with a 640x480 25 fps movie
I downloaded the F4 silver surfer which everyone said was great but compared to a Psp movie it looked like VHS.
does anyone know why this is and will it improve?
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Hi spacecat.
They are not crap at all. As another member pointed out to you...it's all about the encoding.
DVD rips (like Axxo's torrent rips) look like HQ DVD's on my Athena, but only in a widescreen format. Meaning any bigger resolution and the Athena seems to strugle with lipsync and general performance/playback speed and skipped frames, right?
I did a small test converting 2 High definition movies into 640x368...not quite 480, but the end result was truly fab!!
It still looked high def...virtually filled the entire screen...or fills it depending what player you use...TCPMP is best or Coreplayer v1.1.1 looks a tad better, but no performance issues to complain about and absolutely minimul frames dropped.
But because I don't have the time for all that now, I simply settle for torrent downloads and play them directly via TCPMP or Coreplayer. And they look the nuts. Razor sharp.
Hope it works out for you.
P.S. The only benefit IMHO in using WMP10 and WMV (MP4-ASP) video files, is that it will be accelerated by the Imageon hardware decoder, but Coreplayer and TCPMP can use the Imageon software driver to accelerate all movie formats except WMV.
So in conclusion use WMP10 for WMV and the freeware TCPMP v0.71rc with all plug-ins available for everything else.
I'm still on WM5 and tge movie quality is absolutely sensational. On the other hand, it is crap on both of my two PSPs! I don't bother using my PSPs. I think it is potentially possible to have quality video if I get the settings right in PSP, just like you can have quality video on thus device if your setting is right.
Be careful with the ATI fix cab. I just installed it on the Athena and now my device can not boot pass the second splashscreen
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Hi spacecat.
They are not crap at all. As another member pointed out to you...it's all about the encoding.
DVD rips (like Axxo's torrent rips) look like HQ DVD's on my Athena, but only in a widescreen format. Meaning any bigger resolution and the Athena seems to strugle with lipsync and general performance/playback speed and skipped frames, right?
I did a small test converting 2 High definition movies into 640x368...not quite 480, but the end result was truly fab!!
It still looked high def...virtually filled the entire screen...or fills it depending what player you use...TCPMP is best or Coreplayer v1.1.1 looks a tad better, but no performance issues to complain about and absolutely minimul frames dropped.
But because I don't have the time for all that now, I simply settle for torrent downloads and play them directly via TCPMP or Coreplayer. And they look the nuts. Razor sharp.
Hope it works out for you.
P.S. The only benefit IMHO in using WMP10 and WMV (MP4-ASP) video files, is that it will be accelerated by the Imageon hardware decoder, but Coreplayer and TCPMP can use the Imageon software driver to accelerate all movie formats except WMV.
So in conclusion use WMP10 for WMV and the freeware TCPMP v0.71rc with all plug-ins available for everything else.
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you said you did two test in 640x368 what software did you use. thanks
mackaby007 said:
Hi spacecat.
They are not crap at all. As another member pointed out to you...it's all about the encoding.
DVD rips (like Axxo's torrent rips) look like HQ DVD's on my Athena, but only in a widescreen format. Meaning any bigger resolution and the Athena seems to strugle with lipsync and general performance/playback speed and skipped frames, right?
I did a small test converting 2 High definition movies into 640x368...not quite 480, but the end result was truly fab!!
It still looked high def...virtually filled the entire screen...or fills it depending what player you use...TCPMP is best or Coreplayer v1.1.1 looks a tad better, but no performance issues to complain about and absolutely minimul frames dropped.
But because I don't have the time for all that now, I simply settle for torrent downloads and play them directly via TCPMP or Coreplayer. And they look the nuts. Razor sharp.
Hope it works out for you.
P.S. The only benefit IMHO in using WMP10 and WMV (MP4-ASP) video files, is that it will be accelerated by the Imageon hardware decoder, but Coreplayer and TCPMP can use the Imageon software driver to accelerate all movie formats except WMV.
So in conclusion use WMP10 for WMV and the freeware TCPMP v0.71rc with all plug-ins available for everything else.
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im gonna look into it as im sure this can be improved but why does it struggle so much at 25 fps
on my psp i cn get 29.97 fps and razor sharp definition using AVC or PMPMOD with no dropped frames at all. Everyone i have ever shown my psp movies to are blown away by the picture quality. the Athena movies look grainy and pixellated in comparison
Im sure the Athena can do more but its a pain finding out
spacecat said:
im gonna look into it as im sure this can be improved but why does it struggle so much at 25 fps
on my psp i cn get 29.97 fps and razor sharp definition using AVC or PMPMOD with no dropped frames at all. Everyone i have ever shown my psp movies to are blown away by the picture quality. the Athena movies look grainy and pixellated in comparison
Im sure the Athena can do more but its a pain finding out
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The PSP was designed for multimedia exclusively. every last detail in this respect has been thought through. The Ameo serves a multitude of purposes and utilizes thirdparty software for a great deal of applications. With a few tweaks it works a treat, but its not the same thing. The PSP is an out of the box video and gaming solution and isnt really comparable. Try browsing effectively, typing a word document or sending a text or making a call on your PSP - that would impress your mates!
leoni1980 said:
The PSP was designed for multimedia exclusively. every last detail in this respect has been thought through. The Ameo serves a multitude of purposes and utilizes thirdparty software for a great deal of applications. With a few tweaks it works a treat, but its not the same thing. The PSP is an out of the box video and gaming solution and isnt really comparable. Try browsing effectively, typing a word document or sending a text or making a call on your PSP - that would impress your mates!
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I am not denying what you are saying but I would have thought that a brand new top of the range device costing 700 pounds woud be able to out perform a 2 year old device that you can now pick up for 100 pounds.
I am very happy with most aspects of my Athena its a great device for many things but for movies its quite poor.
I did a conversion in spb dvd at 640x336 as recommended but it was
still poor. The only one that has looked comparable was a 640x480
conversion at 25fps. it looked good but kept skipping frames.
also if you stopped it the player stopped working .TCPMP and CORE
if anyone has a definitive programme and settings for making near dvd quality movies without skipping I would be very interested to hear
spacecat said:
I am not denying what you are saying but I would have thought that a brand new top of the range device costing 700 pounds woud be able to out perform a 2 year old device that you can now pick up for 100 pounds.
I am very happy with most aspects of my Athena its a great device for many things but for movies its quite poor.
I did a conversion in spb dvd at 640x336 as recommended but it was
still poor. The only one that has looked comparable was a 640x480
conversion at 25fps. it looked good but kept skipping frames.
also if you stopped it the player stopped working .TCPMP and CORE
if anyone has a definitive programme and settings for making near dvd quality movies without skipping I would be very interested to hear
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I agree with you to a degree, although the Ameo is tied to the fact that it uses a generic OS (which automatically leaves it open to performance issue). The PSP on the other hand has an OS specifically designed for it.
I find that since i installed the HTC 001 rom i dont have any playback problems at all. I always select ATI Imageon rather than ATI imageon decoder, and also choose microdrive mode. it works for me
I just tried your settings , I was playing from the memory card
used the microdrive and the ati imageon MUCH MUCH better
no skipping . this was with a 640x336 clip .
I will see what a full 640x480 at 25fps can do tonite
cheers
here is what i use:
Player: TCPMP 0.81 with all plugins
Driver: ATi Imageon
Storage: Microdrive
Bitrate: 600kbps (benchmarked at 625, so 600 is safe )
Framerate: 25fps
Encoder: Divx 6.1
Quality: Insane
Audio: AC3, lowest bitrate etc
works a charm
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here is what i use:
Player: TCPMP 0.81 with all plugins
Driver: ATi Imageon
Storage: Microdrive
Bitrate: 600kbps (benchmarked at 625, so 600 is safe )
Framerate: 25fps
Encoder: Divx 6.1
Quality: Insane
Audio: AC3, lowest bitrate etc
works a charm
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what prog do u use to encode the movies?
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what prog do u use to encode the movies?
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WinAVI, email me for a 'trial'
That's right, blissful viewing on your VGA Athena. How?
Don't expect to run it in a full screen window, that's how. The CPU (powerful as it is) cannot handle native VGA 640x480 full screen encodes. Probably due to the many other things it has to do simultaneously.
For full screen 640x480, we need the ATI Imageon chip acceleration support, which as we all know is not yet available and ATI/AMD have not been forthcoming in helping CoreCodec in revealing the nature of their hard/software embedded implementation. Nuff said.
320x240 resolution with extremely high bitrates won't give you the sharpness a QVGA device can playing the same resolution.
On the Hermes with the ATI chip, they finally got a resolution/fix as there seemed to be some buffering issues regarding Audio (not entirely sure if these reports were accurate), so I've been playing with Audio codecs and lower bit-rates, to some benefit....but not enough.
The best 'in-between' results I have found till we get a fix for our Imageon hardware (if ever) is as follows.
P.S. I've tried playing with H264, X264, DivX 6.xxupwards, Mpeg 4 etc and various encoders from Virtual Dub and Guardian ... to DVDx and too many to mention to be honest (over 20-30 encoders over the last few years).
For movie clips or entire movies to look really good on a VGA screen IMHO and experience, you have to encode higher than QVGA but less than VGA unless like the Dell's you have a accelerator that actually work with TCPMP or Coreplayer. Our only works with the ATI software renderer, which is still miles better than any other option open to us.
So I now encode at:
Video: 480x320 at 850kbps
Audio: AAC @ 44100hz and 128kbps (if music video)
Audio:AAC @ 22050hz and 64kbps (for everything else)
I can only yield benchmark results of around 118% but
I've successfully played over 72500 frames with only 45 frames dropped!
Trust me..that is really good. 0 frames would be nice and very possible by encoding at 320x240 but the video looks to soft whereas at 480x320 it actually looks quite sharp indeed.
If you encode a genuine High def clip or movie at this resolution, the end result will look like the original HD clip or worst way, like a super-bit DVD.
1% frame 'droppage' = 725
45 frames dropped out of 72500 = less than 1/16th of 1% which = Bliss
You do the maths.
Depending on the source video, if it is full screen, so will the encoded video, but if it is in wide screen format, so will your encodes be.
For DVD conversion I got best results vs speed using (freeware) Handbrake v2.25 and Mpeg 4 decoder.
http://handbrake.m0k.org/
For individual files (VOB files), I use Any Video Converter (yeah, that's the name of the application). Same results.
For all other video files I love Smartmovie with the same setup as outlined above, except for the encoder..I use Xvid in Smartmovie.
I'll try to upload a sample video to rapidshare or something if anyone wants to view the quality and performance...but my time is somewhat limited at the moment.
P.S. The above mentioned apps are dummy proof and not too complex for noobs, so why not try it out and let us know how you get on.
Last but not least, in Coreplayer v1.1.1 or even TCPMP , if you suffer from lipsync problems, try adjusting
Menu/Tools/Preferences/Select Page/Advanced...scroll down and adjust the 'Manual A/V offset'. Mine is currently at:
-0.200 but depending on other videos I might have to adjust to -0.600...it works wonderfully (menu navigation in TCPMP might be slightly different to Coreplayer, but the option is still there).
Good luck and if you have better results than these, please post back and share your findings. Thanks
I found that the DiVx converter from DiVx works brilliantly if you set it to 'mobile'... I dont get any of these issues that everyone else seems to have - I use the official DiVx player on the Ameo and its great full screen.
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I found that the DiVx converter from DiVx works brilliantly if you set it to 'mobile'... I dont get any of these issues that everyone else seems to have - I use the official DiVx player on the Ameo and its great full screen.
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I had tried that some months ago and wasn't that impressed, but maybe they have improved it. What version are you using?
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That's right, blissful viewing on your VGA Athena. How?
Don't expect to run it in a full screen window, that's how. The CPU (powerful as it is) cannot handle native VGA 640x480 full screen encodes. Probably due to the many other things it has to do simultaneously.
For full screen 640x480, we need the ATI Imageon chip acceleration support, which as we all know is not yet available and ATI/AMD have not been forthcoming in helping CoreCodec in revealing the nature of their hard/software embedded implementation. Nuff said.
320x240 resolution with extremely high bitrates won't give you the sharpness a QVGA device can playing the same resolution.
On the Hermes with the ATI chip, they finally got a resolution/fix as there seemed to be some buffering issues regarding Audio (not entirely sure if these reports were accurate), so I've been playing with Audio codecs and lower bit-rates, to some benefit....but not enough.
The best 'in-between' results I have found till we get a fix for our Imageon hardware (if ever) is as follows.
P.S. I've tried playing with H264, X264, DivX 6.xxupwards, Mpeg 4 etc and various encoders from Virtual Dub and Guardian ... to DVDx and too many to mention to be honest (over 20-30 encoders over the last few years).
For movie clips or entire movies to look really good on a VGA screen IMHO and experience, you have to encode higher than QVGA but less than VGA unless like the Dell's you have a accelerator that actually work with TCPMP or Coreplayer. Our only works with the ATI software renderer, which is still miles better than any other option open to us.
So I now encode at:
Video: 480x320 at 850kbps
Audio: AAC @ 44100hz and 128kbps (if music video)
Audio:AAC @ 22050hz and 64kbps (for everything else)
I can only yield benchmark results of around 118% but
I've successfully played over 72500 frames with only 45 frames dropped!
Trust me..that is really good. 0 frames would be nice and very possible by encoding at 320x240 but the video looks to soft whereas at 480x320 it actually looks quite sharp indeed.
If you encode a genuine High def clip or movie at this resolution, the end result will look like the original HD clip or worst way, like a super-bit DVD.
1% frame 'droppage' = 725
45 frames dropped out of 72500 = less than 1/16th of 1% which = Bliss
You do the maths.
Depending on the source video, if it is full screen, so will the encoded video, but if it is in wide screen format, so will your encodes be.
For DVD conversion I got best results vs speed using (freeware) Handbrake v2.25 and Mpeg 4 decoder.
http://handbrake.m0k.org/
For individual files (VOB files), I use Any Video Converter (yeah, that's the name of the application). Same results.
For all other video files I love Smartmovie with the same setup as outlined above, except for the encoder..I use Xvid in Smartmovie.
I'll try to upload a sample video to rapidshare or something if anyone wants to view the quality and performance...but my time is somewhat limited at the moment.
P.S. The above mentioned apps are dummy proof and not too complex for noobs, so why not try it out and let us know how you get on.
Last but not least, in Coreplayer v1.1.1 or even TCPMP , if you suffer from lipsync problems, try adjusting
Menu/Tools/Preferences/Select Page/Advanced...scroll down and adjust the 'Manual A/V offset'. Mine is currently at:
-0.200 but depending on other videos I might have to adjust to -0.600...it works wonderfully (menu navigation in TCPMP might be slightly different to Coreplayer, but the option is still there).
Good luck and if you have better results than these, please post back and share your findings. Thanks
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Hey Mark,
A couple of things that might work...try running your video's with your advantage plugged in..
another thing...if you have 16:9 video convert it into 532x300
that consistently gives me good result...
and last but not the least...try splitting your video into smaller files...none larger than 600mb
The player on my Ameo is version 0.88 andthe DivX converter is version 6. Hope that helps.
It rips straight from DVD to my Ameo SD card too.... quite quick. Although I am having problems with no subtitles at the mo the rest is fine.
fallenczar said:
Hey Mark,
A couple of things that might work...try running your video's with your advantage plugged in..
another thing...if you have 16:9 video convert it into 532x300
that consistently gives me good result...
and last but not the least...try splitting your video into smaller files...none larger than 600mb
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Thanks my friend. I'll try those suggestions and let you know.
adamelphick said:
The player on my Ameo is version 0.88 andthe DivX converter is version 6. Hope that helps.
It rips straight from DVD to my Ameo SD card too.... quite quick. Although I am having problems with no subtitles at the mo the rest is fine.
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Cheers for that mate, Just downloading it now, will try it soon.
I stand by my findings...
1) Divx Converter Using Divx 6.6
1) adamelphick's Divx Encoder
80% Benchmark Result
Resolution 592x448 (original was lower than default VGA 640x480 Portable Profile - so kept orig. Resolution of 592x448)
over 350 frames dropped
Only 20.xxx fps vs mine @ 23.79 out of 23.975 Original
2) I Used Any Video Converter with fallenczar's recommended resolution for widescreen movies for full screen viewing
Benchmark Result 131.28% Excellent.
Resolution 532x300 (slightly vertically stretched, but very viewable)
only 9 frames dropped out of 3842! Excellent!
Superb fps playback of 23.920 out of 23.976
3)I Used Any Video Converter xvid codec!
125.11% Benchmark Result
Resolution 480x320
only 4 frames dropped out of 5690!
Superb fps playback of 23.959 out of 23.976
4)I Used Any Video Converter Mpeg4 codec. Visually not quite as good as xvid, but still very good.
123.06% Benchmark Result but the audio sounded extremely slowed down! ?!??!?
Resolution 480x320
only 5 frames dropped out of 5938!
Superb fps playback of 24.979 out of 25.000 Mpeg4 codec would not allow me to keep NTSC format & I was forced to use 25fps.
Sorry if all that info above is a bit confusing, so here's the bottom line.
I've tested the Divx Encoder and Divx Mobile Player.....sorry, but it's still seriously lacking compared to Coreplayer or TCPMP. Handheld profile encodes at low resolution unfit for VGA device if you're a quality freak.
Portable Profile seriously looks good. No doubt about it and so it should as its native resolution for encoding is VGA (640x480), but then you hit the performance issues related to non accelerated Vids on VGA devices.
Verdict? No good for Athena but probably excellent for quick encodes using QVGA devices. The Player is also only capable of handling AVI vids and the encoding specs had better match its Players ability else it won't play the file.
For Fallenczar's recommended Resolution for widescreen vids, I can only say..Nice & Thanks for the tip.
If you don't mind the original Video/movie being slightly elongated, you won't notice a performance hit at all. You'll even get slightly Benchmark results than by using my method. But the benchmark results is not the sum of its parts and should only be used as an indicator, not a 'actual playback' performance gauge.
Verdict? Great tip! I'm definitely keeping this in mind for future encodes of wide screen movies & Vids. Thanks again.
Lastly I used an application called 'Any Video Converter', but in all honesty, there are many others that can do the job as well and better if you don't mind the complexity of some of the more advanced apps. But as a quick solution, you'll be hard pushed to beat this for casual and quick video files conversion. For DVD encoding I'd definitely stick with Handbrake...it's bloody fast too and uses MSDOS and no fancy GUI for viewing the video as it encodes, hence it encodes a 90 minute movie in a third of the time of the entire movie. i.e. 90 min video encoded in just under 30mins.
As the results show in no 3 & 4, even though my benchmark results are slightly lower than with fallenczars resolution for widescreen format vids, it's hard to beat how little frames are dropped whilst retaing a visually HQ video/movie.
Verdict? I absolutely stand by my findings until someone finds a way of encoding videos at native VGA at HQ with virtually no hit on performance.
I want HQ with great performance. Don't get me wrong people, we can easily achieve benchmarks in excess of 500 - 600kbps but the quality of sound and video isn't worthy of such high end PPC's. We paid a lot of dough for these devices and I'll be damned if I can't get slick HQ video on the Athena. I refuse to get a dell or Archos or whatever just to accelerate video and games....if that was my priority I'd buy a PSP and a get myself another compact HTC Hermes.
Just wait till we get some support for our Imageon devices. Let the good times roll.
P.S. Divx Encoder can't encode whatever you throw at it, mostly AVI files. Any Video Converter and quite a few others can handle most formats including high def files.
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1) Divx Converter Using Divx 6.6
1) adamelphick's Divx Encoder
80% Benchmark Result
Resolution 592x448 (original was lower than default VGA 640x480 Portable Profile - so kept orig. Resolution of 592x448)
over 350 frames dropped
Only 20.xxx fps vs mine @ 23.79 out of 23.975 Original
2) I Used Any Video Converter with fallenczar's recommended resolution for widescreen movies for full screen viewing
Benchmark Result 131.28% Excellent.
Resolution 532x300 (slightly vertically stretched, but very viewable)
only 9 frames dropped out of 3842! Excellent!
Superb fps playback of 23.920 out of 23.976
3)I Used Any Video Converter xvid codec!
125.11% Benchmark Result
Resolution 480x320
only 4 frames dropped out of 5690!
Superb fps playback of 23.959 out of 23.976
4)I Used Any Video Converter Mpeg4 codec. Visually not quite as good as xvid, but still very good.
123.06% Benchmark Result but the audio sounded extremely slowed down! ?!??!?
Resolution 480x320
only 5 frames dropped out of 5938!
Superb fps playback of 24.979 out of 25.000 Mpeg4 codec would not allow me to keep NTSC format & I was forced to use 25fps.
Sorry if all that info above is a bit confusing, so here's the bottom line.
I've tested the Divx Encoder and Divx Mobile Player.....sorry, but it's still seriously lacking compared to Coreplayer or TCPMP. Handheld profile encodes at low resolution unfit for VGA device if you're a quality freak.
Portable Profile seriously looks good. No doubt about it and so it should as its native resolution for encoding is VGA (640x480), but then you hit the performance issues related to non accelerated Vids on VGA devices.
Verdict? No good for Athena but probably excellent for quick encodes using QVGA devices. The Player is also only capable of handling AVI vids and the encoding specs had better match its Players ability else it won't play the file.
For Fallenczar's recommended Resolution for widescreen vids, I can only say..Nice & Thanks for the tip.
If you don't mind the original Video/movie being slightly elongated, you won't notice a performance hit at all. You'll even get slightly Benchmark results than by using my method. But the benchmark results is not the sum of its parts and should only be used as an indicator, not a 'actual playback' performance gauge.
Verdict? Great tip! I'm definitely keeping this in mind for future encodes of wide screen movies & Vids. Thanks again.
Lastly I used an application called 'Any Video Converter', but in all honesty, there are many others that can do the job as well and better if you don't mind the complexity of some of the more advanced apps. But as a quick solution, you'll be hard pushed to beat this for casual and quick video files conversion. For DVD encoding I'd definitely stick with Handbrake...it's bloody fast too and uses MSDOS and no fancy GUI for viewing the video as it encodes, hence it encodes a 90 minute movie in a third of the time of the entire movie. i.e. 90 min video encoded in just under 30mins.
As the results show in no 3 & 4, even though my benchmark results are slightly lower than with fallenczars resolution for widescreen format vids, it's hard to beat how little frames are dropped whilst retaing a visually HQ video/movie.
Verdict? I absolutely stand by my findings until someone finds a way of encoding videos at native VGA at HQ with virtually no hit on performance.
I want HQ with great performance. Don't get me wrong people, we can easily achieve benchmarks in excess of 500 - 600kbps but the quality of sound and video isn't worthy of such high end PPC's. We paid a lot of dough for these devices and I'll be damned if I can't get slick HQ video on the Athena. I refuse to get a dell or Archos or whatever just to accelerate video and games....if that was my priority I'd buy a PSP and a get myself another compact HTC Hermes.
Just wait till we get some support for our Imageon devices. Let the good times roll.
P.S. Divx Encoder can't encode whatever you throw at it, mostly AVI files. Any Video Converter and quite a few others can handle most formats including high def files.
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Hey Mark!
Since you seem to have loads of free time why don't you try converting your video to .mov, try it with a small 20-40 mb movie clip first..
if my memory serves me right then you should be able to get better results with it...though converion to mov if time consuming
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Hey Mark!
Since you seem to have loads of free time why don't you try converting your video to .mov, try it with a small 20-40 mb movie clip first..
if my memory serves me right then you should be able to get better results with it...though converion to mov if time consuming
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Blimey, I haven't used that format for years, except for downloads from Apple.com...thanks for the tip. I'll look into it once I get some more free time.
Test Clip for download...
Just in case you can't be bothered or have the time to test these settings, just download this test video and see what you think...it's about 8.5 MB in size:
DownloadLink: http://rapidshare.com/files/50811286/10000_BC_HD_xvid.avi
Will the Advantage play a 640x480 .wmv in Windows Media Player?
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That's right, blissful viewing on your VGA Athena. How?
Don't expect to run it in a full screen window, that's how. The CPU (powerful as it is) cannot handle native VGA 640x480 full screen encodes. Probably due to the many other things it has to do simultaneously.
For full screen 640x480, we need the ATI Imageon chip acceleration support, which as we all know is not yet available and ATI/AMD have not been forthcoming in helping CoreCodec in revealing the nature of their hard/software embedded implementation. Nuff said.
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I discovered that TCPMP can not play full screen. As I have installed SmartMovie which can play full screen movie beautifully, therefore I do not bother to try run TCPMP to play movies, just use TCPMP to play music with enlarged lyrics appearing at the same time along with the pace of music. That is a joy forever.
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Will the Advantage play a 640x480 .wmv in Windows Media Player?
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Possibly, if the encoding specs match that of the ones outlined in the Athena Handbook, but I believe you will get better performance from using MP4 under WMP as it will use the Imageon Hardware decoder that Coreplayer cannot use.
However from my experience, WMP is far too restrictive, hence TCPMP/Coreplayer is the best on the market. .wmv is pretty crap for PPC playback IMHO compared other formats. .wmv is fine on Full blown PC though.
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I discovered that TCPMP can not play full screen. As I have installed SmartMovie which can play full screen movie beautifully, therefore I do not bother to try run TCPMP to play movies, just use TCPMP to play music with enlarged lyrics appearing at the same time along with the pace of music. That is a joy forever.
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No disrespect panvita, but you obviously have no idea what I've been talking about. Take any of those movies that you say is full screen in Smart Movie and run some test with it,(I use the latest version) and the Smartmovie converter cannot even encode at full VGA 640x480 by default and the PPC SmartMovie player doesn't like most videos encoded by other encoders (its limited).
What I'm trying to say is SmartMovie Player on the PPC is inferior by far to TCPMP and Coreplayer. Check the options in SmartMovie player to show framerate whilst a movie is playing and check the actual resolution too. I think you'll find that it is more often than not, Not real VGA res and when it is, your frame-rate will be terribly slow.
Then run the same movie file in TCPMP or Coreplayer and check your property settings after playing your movie file and you'll see again the frame rate achieved and how many frames were dropped.
Don't mean to sound arrogant or like a Mr Know-it-all, but it is pretty much common knowledge that Coreplayer and TCPMP is far superior to all other PPC based Video players on the market to date, even though 'It' still has its shortcomings.
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Possibly, if the encoding specs match that of the ones outlined in the Athena Handbook, but I believe you will get better performance from using MP4 under WMP as it will use the Imageon Hardware decoder that Coreplayer cannot use.
However from my experience, WMP is far too restrictive, hence TCPMP/Coreplayer is the best on the market. .wmv is pretty crap for PPC playback IMHO compared other formats. .wmv is fine on Full blown PC though.
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Core is good but if my main objective is to watch my movies(of which all are .wmv) full screen with no hiccups then why not just use WMP to do that. I like .wmv for it's simplicity. But that's just me.
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Core is good but if my main objective is to watch my movies(of which all are .wmv) full screen with no hiccups then why not just use WMP to do that. I like .wmv for it's simplicity. But that's just me.
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I can't argue with that at all. Coreplayer is crap for WMV but that is exactly the format WMP likes to play.
TCPMP on x7501
I am using the TCPMP player on my new Advantage x7501 & it works perfectly!
I advise to use DirectDraw as an output! it's really better than that sucker ATI IMAGEON! Take a look at the configs and Benchmarks! (Configs in both benmarks are the same)
-Video
Video Output: DirectDraw
Video Quality: High
Smooth zoom: ON
Dither: • (on)
Accleration: ◘ (off)
-Buffering
Turned on to Micro Drive mode
Buffer Size: 32000kb
Start at: 2944
-Benchmark Using DirectDraw(File Size: 138 mb)
Average Speed: 183,86 % (!)
Video Frames: 8821
Audio Samples: 15598708
Amount of Data: 14443 KB
Codec: DivX
*PLZ PAY ATTENTION TO ANOTHER BENCHMARK USING ATI IMAGEON AS VIDEO OUTPUT*
-Benchmark Using ATI IMAGEON(File Size: 138 mb)
Average Speed: 58,71%
Video Frames: 8776
Audio Samples: 15488972
Amount of Data: 14354 KB
HOW IS IT MARK????
Try different settings...somethings wrong with yours.
hirad_sabaghian said:
I advise to use DirectDraw as an output! it's really better than that sucker ATI IMAGEON! Take a look at the configs and Benchmarks! (Configs in both benmarks are the same)
-Video
Video Output: DirectDraw
Video Quality: High
Smooth zoom: ON
Dither: • (on)
Accleration: ◘ (off)
-Buffering
Turned on to Micro Drive mode
Buffer Size: 32000kb
Start at: 2944
-Benchmark Using DirectDraw(File Size: 138 mb)
Average Speed: 183,86 % (!)
Video Frames: 8821
Audio Samples: 15598708
Amount of Data: 14443 KB
Codec: DivX
*PLZ PAY ATTENTION TO ANOTHER BENCHMARK USING ATI IMAGEON AS VIDEO OUTPUT*
-Benchmark Using ATI IMAGEON(File Size: 138 mb)
Average Speed: 58,71%
Video Frames: 8776
Audio Samples: 15488972
Amount of Data: 14354 KB
HOW IS IT MARK????
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Ooh do I detect a tone of anger or possibly sarcasm in that last statement/question? hehe
OK, the reason is probably that when you use Coreplayer or TCPMP, you have the Imageon Decoder activated...No good, NOT fixed to work with Coreplayer or TCPMP as yet.
Coreplayer: Under your video settings, ensure you have the following settings checked or enabled:
Video Output: ATI IMAGEON
Video quality: High
Smooth Zoom: On
Dither: Ticked
Acceleration: UNticked (else you'll be using the hardware decoder - no good)
Under Preferences select Direct Draw options page and select the following:
Overlay with colorkey - Ticked
Use blitting instead of overlay - Blank
Use device stretching for blitting - Blank
Overlay format - YV12
There you have it. Last but not least, don't encode videos much beyond 480x320 otherwise the Athena cannot handle it.
Try that my friend.
Same set-up for TCPMP:
I want to watch some videos on my Touch 64/128, but 1 video is about 700MB.
Witch program should I use and do I have to convert it to some other format (not .avi)?
Thanks!
try windows movie maker .. haves a format just for pda phones!!
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try windows movie maker .. haves a format just for pda phones!!
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I haven't use it before. Can you tell me what do I have to do to make .avi to pda format???
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I haven't use it before. Can you tell me what do I have to do to make .avi to pda format???
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Very easy.
Just install a Pocket PC Video Converter application onto your PC such as, Apex Free Pocket PC Video Converter.
Then use this application to transform or convert all video files to PDA playable format.
Of course, afterwards, you need to copy the outcome to PDA to play..
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Very easy.
Just install a Pocket PC Video Converter application onto your PC such as, Apex Free Pocket PC Video Converter.
Then use this application to transform or convert all video files to PDA playable format.
Of course, afterwards, you need to copy the outcome to PDA to play..
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Thank you very much!
Problem!!!
One question.
I want to convert a 700mb movie, but the trial versions won't let me convert it!!!
Is somewhere a full version? (FREEE)
the best tool for converting video is Spb Mobile DVD it has very good converting profiles and for tcpmp also and you can decide if you want to cut 16:9 or 4:3 but its not for free. you should buy it or use google to gain it, maybe you get it..
the video size decrease to ~270mb for 1 hour movie
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One question.
I want to convert a 700mb movie, but the trial versions won't let me convert it!!!
Is somewhere a full version? (FREEE)
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Look into some free alternatives that will transcode videos. Try Super, MediaCoder, or PocketDivXEncoder.
Youtube
thanks hotmail!
Can I watch youtube videos with TCPMP player???
Here's what i do
I use DVDshrink (freeware) to rip the main bits off a dvd to my hard drive
I then use AutoGordianKnot (AutoGK) Freeware to convert the dvd rip into an avi and play it using TCMP or coreplayer.
I've ripped Monsters Inc entire movie into 400k and it's perfectly watchable!
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thanks hotmail!
Can I watch youtube videos with TCPMP player???
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Yes indeed, TCPMP will play Youtube videos. Funny... I just posted on this very subject in another thread. Go figure.
TangerineTractor said:
... I've ripped Monsters Inc entire movie into 400k and it's perfectly watchable!
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400k!!!! That's some SERIOUS compression. I'll have to blow the dust off my old 3.5" floppy disk drive and start using it for movie storage. Are you sure it wasn't 400MB? That'd be typical of high quality Xvid, Divx or WMV compression at or lower than 640x480.
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I use DVDshrink (freeware) to rip the main bits off a dvd to my hard drive
I then use AutoGordianKnot (AutoGK) Freeware to convert the dvd rip into an avi and play it using TCMP or coreplayer.
I've ripped Monsters Inc entire movie into 400k and it's perfectly watchable!
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Could you tell me how did you do this? (Step by Step)
I have a few 700mb movies on my computer and I want them on my ppc, but they are too big. So if you could post here how did you do this, then I will be vey happy!!!
Hi there.
I'm very interested in bying this HTC Touch, basicaly for it portability but i'm very concerned about it CPU and general perfomance.
I now have the HTC 3600 and i'm very happy with it's perfomance. My usage is normal, not many programs at the same time but i like to see some movies some times and i'll like to use TomTom via bluetooth if i bye the touch.
What do you think? Am i get perfomance issues with tomtom or to see some movies?
Thanks in advance!
matumartin14 - I've had very good results using pocketdivxencoder (0.3.96). I've converted several DVD's (VOBs), divx movies and divx tv shows for use on my Elfin. I have a lot of experience using old school tools, but pocketdivxencoder does everything I need fast and painlessly. I can whip up a short guide if you like.
Hugo RSF - I've actually been fairly impressed with the video performance of the Elfin. For years I used a Dell X5 basic which has a 300MHz Xscale (overclockable to 400MHz) and I've notice no loss of performance with my 201 MHz OMAP, other than the smaller screen (2.8" vs 4.0").
I've used an external GPS with my Elfin on several occasions (using Nav4all), but never TomTom so I couldn't comment on that.
Prism Video Encoder also works well. Basically convert anything to anything and wickedly simple to use. Usually convert to MP4 and Elf plays them in good quality no problem at all.
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matumartin14 - I've had very good results using pocketdivxencoder (0.3.96). I've converted several DVD's (VOBs), divx movies and divx tv shows for use on my Elfin. I have a lot of experience using old school tools, but pocketdivxencoder does everything I need fast and painlessly. I can whip up a short guide if you like.
Hugo RSF - I've actually been fairly impressed with the video performance of the Elfin. For years I used a Dell X5 basic which has a 300MHz Xscale (overclockable to 400MHz) and I've notice no loss of performance with my 201 MHz OMAP, other than the smaller screen (2.8" vs 4.0").
I've used an external GPS with my Elfin on several occasions (using Nav4all), but never TomTom so I couldn't comment on that.
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Ok thanks!
If I have a 700mb movie and i convert it, then how small would it be??? MB???
Depends on the quality of the video and audio that you can live with. A full length movie can be compressed down to around 165 MB and still be fairly watchable if your hurting for space. I'm pretty picky about quality and shoot for around 250 to 350 MB for a full length movie.
I'm in the process of converting X-Files episodes and so far they are ending up around 110 MB in size (approx. 45 min each).
You can get much better compression with MP4 (h.264), but from what I can tell, the Elfin is too slow to decode h.264 without dropping frames. My h.264 testing was done using streams created by RipBot and meGUI.
As far as a conversion guide, should I start a new thread or just post one here?
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matumartin14 - I've had very good results using pocketdivxencoder (0.3.96). ....
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From the website:
This soft doesn't allow you to copy commercial DVDs...
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I've purchased DVDs (strictly legal) and want to view them on my Touch - but can't with this software. I have a package to convert DVD to iPod format, but the playback on the Touch is jerky.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
posting
trueg said:
Depends on the quality of the video and audio that you can live with. A full length movie can be compressed down to around 165 MB and still be fairly watchable if your hurting for space. I'm pretty picky about quality and shoot for around 250 to 350 MB for a full length movie.
I'm in the process of converting X-Files episodes and so far they are ending up around 110 MB in size (approx. 45 min each).
You can get much better compression with MP4 (h.264), but from what I can tell, the Elfin is too slow to decode h.264 without dropping frames. My h.264 testing was done using streams created by RipBot and meGUI.
As far as a conversion guide, should I start a new thread or just post one here?
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Just post here
TheNorm - Your correct in that PocketDivxEncoder cannot convert directly from an encrypted DVD. You would require a separate tool to first 'rip' the DVD to your HD. (DVDFab HD Decrypter is the best by the way, www.dvd-guides.com/content/view/225/59/). Also if you happen to own DVDFab HD Decrypter Platinum, it will do DVD to Divx all in one step.
As far as your iPod tool, it is converting your DVDs to MP4 (AVC/H.264). Although CorePlayer can handle H.264 videos, the Elf/Elfin OMAP 850 can't quite decode videos in the format fast enough. If you disable the AVC deblocking filter in CorePlayer, you will get better performance at the loss of quality which may help the jerkiness.
Menu/Tools/Preferences/Advanced/Disable AVC deblocking filter
Also ensure you are using 'Raw FrameBuffer' under the Video settings. This is all assuming your using CorePlayer. AVC deblocking can not be disabled in TCPMP.
Prefer something that is fast and easy to set? It seems even with coreplayer there are some codecs such as sorenson that still can't be handle by the player, would love to have a nice video encoder to do the job for the odd video that doesnt play on hd2.
Thanks!
im using TMPGENC EXPRESS 4.0 .
quality is very good
i have opened a video performance thread in LEO-LEO forum. please check. thanks.
I'm trying different codecs to see which would be better to use.
So far I'm using the mpeg4 standard (MPEG-4 AVC/AAC/MP4), and it works almost flawlessly when using a bit rate of about 3000kbps at 30 FPS (800x480). The videos taken using the Camera are also encoded with mpeg4.
Oh, and I'm using the HTC video player. CorePlayer's performance for the HD2 using either GDI or the raw buffer makes me cringe (and it somehow reduces colors, not sure why; compare HTC's promotional video played in the Album and in CorePlayer).
I'm encoding with MediaCoder, which is free but isn't exactly what I'd call user-friendly.
EDIT: And the performance is even better in Windows Media Player itself.
What the hell, everything's upside-down.
What's wrong with Video Encoding GUI?
tnyynt said:
What's wrong with Video Encoding GUI?
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Nothing
This one is nice too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478050
-I like the results from this one a little better than 'Video Encoding GUI'. The colors are a bit more saturated which I find nice when I watch on the go..
Yunabeco said:
EDIT: And the performance is even better in Windows Media Player itself.
What the hell, everything's upside-down.
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Sorry, do you mean that the performance in Windows Media Player is better than the performance in HTCAlbum?
Shasarak said:
Sorry, do you mean that the performance in Windows Media Player is better than the performance in HTCAlbum?
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I find it to be so (I had much less frame skips in WMP). Then again, it might depend on the video.
Try Media Coder its free and works really well.
hassan said:
Try Media Coder its free and works really well.
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It knows about Nvidia's CUDA . It's the best !!!
I use Handbrake:
http://handbrake.fr/downloads.php
The latest version works very well - choose the iphone/ipod touch preset and increase the resolution from the puny 480x320 that the iphone can handle.
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What's wrong with Video Encoding GUI?
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Seeing as this thread has come back to life anyway: the Video Encoding GUI does a very good job of converting for a Touch HD, TP2 or TD2, but it has a maximum bit-rate of 1000kb/s, which is really not high enough for an HD2. (On lesser phones if you make the bit-rate any higher you lose smoothness of playback, but on an HD2 you don't have to make that trade-off). MP4ForHD has the same problem. It'd be nice if the author of either of those could do an HD2 version.
So, I'm not sure we've actually come to any useful conclusions in this thread. As I have an HD2 arriving tomorrow, I'm quite keen to start converting some videos for it.
What I need is:
For an original video that is <= 800x480, the resolution should remain unchanged. For a video > 800x480 it should be downscaled to fit within 800x480 with an unchanged aspect ratio. (So, for example, a 512x384 capture should be output as 512x384; 640x360 should be output as 640x360; 1280x720 should be output as 800x450. No cropping under any circumstances.)
The output frame-rate should always be the same as that of the original clip.
The output audio should have the same volume and same sampling rate as the input audio. If the input audio is > 2 channels, it should be downmixed to stereo.
It needs to support container and codec options that are optimised for playback on the HD2 using either HTCAlbum or WMP. (Not sure yet which of these will be best, and am still researching encoding options in other threads!)
The output bitrate should be appropriately reduced for lower-resolution clips automatically.
All of the above needs to be something that is retained from session to session so that you can simply point it to the input file and click "Start" without having to reselect options each time.
It needs to be able to queue up multiple files and process them one at a time.
Good output quality and smoothness of playback is obviously important.
Something that does the encoding quickly rather than slowly is a plus (but I'm stuck using a creaky old 3GHz Pentium IV with on-board GPU at the moment, so am not expecting miracles).
It should be able to handle 720p .mkv files with ac3 audio, and also lower-resolution xvid files.
Freeware would be a big plus.
I've checked out a few of the suggested applications (not all) and most of them seem to lacking at least some of this. Things like Video Encoder GUI or MP4ForHD do an excellent job for lower-spec phones, but the bit-rates are capped at a level that is far too low for optimum performance on the HD2. Some of the more sophisticated applications have some surprising omissions, such as not being able to store settings between sessions, or not being able to specify 800x450 as an output resolution, or not being able to specify 800x480 as a maximum resolution and have it choose the actual output res depending on the input res, or having no option to keep the original frame-rate or the original audio sampling rate, or bit-rate.
There must surely be something out there that covers all this?
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I've checked out a few of the suggested applications (not all) and most of them seem to lacking at least some of this. Things like Video Encoder GUI or MP4ForHD do an excellent job for lower-spec phones, but the bit-rates are capped at a level that is far too low for optimum performance on the HD2. Some of the more sophisticated applications have some surprising omissions, such as not being able to store settings between sessions, or not being able to specify 800x450 as an output resolution, or not being able to specify 800x480 as a maximum resolution and have it choose the actual output res depending on the input res, or having no option to keep the original frame-rate or the original audio sampling rate, or bit-rate.
There must surely be something out there that covers all this?
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Strangely enough, for me the HD settings on MP4ForHD for encoding did quite a good job of 300 and A Scanner Darkly. Smooth playback and an acceptable quality for a DVD rip. The only issue I faced was a bit of an audio sync issue with 300. The output sizes were approximately 600-700mb
If there could be better output or an easy way to ensure the audio syncs with the video properly, the HD2 would be golden. (I am stuck on a 3 year old laptop which has had some minor processor/hdd/ram upgrade and took 4 hours to encode a DVD for my HD2.
Shasarak said:
Seeing as this thread has come back to life anyway: the Video Encoding GUI does a very good job of converting for a Touch HD, TP2 or TD2, but it has a maximum bit-rate of 1000kb/s, which is really not high enough for an HD2. (On lesser phones if you make the bit-rate any higher you lose smoothness of playback, but on an HD2 you don't have to make that trade-off). MP4ForHD has the same problem. It'd be nice if the author of either of those could do an HD2 version.
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Maybe going further above bitrate wise is just a waste of space and that 2 pass encoding at such bitrates from both converters just means optimal output.
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Maybe going further above bitrate wise is just a waste of space and that 2 pass encoding at such bitrates from both converters just means optimal output.
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That is a perfectly valid opinion, but (having done some viewing of the output on a PC screen) it is not one that I happen to share. (Not for downscaled hi-def material, anyway).
What's with MediaCoder? Have you tried this?
seed_al said:
What's with MediaCoder? Have you tried this?
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I glanced at it. Having spent 10 minutes trying and failing to get it to produce 800x450 output, I gave up. Maybe I should have another go....
niknik76 said:
Nothing
This one is nice too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478050
-I like the results from this one a little better than 'Video Encoding GUI'. The colors are a bit more saturated which I find nice when I watch on the go..
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i use that one aswell
tnyynt said:
Maybe going further above bitrate wise is just a waste of space and that 2 pass encoding at such bitrates from both converters just means optimal output.
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I have tested, and for sure that downscaling HD media to a 800x480 screen requires more than 1000kbps to bring out the details.
Are you saying I can install new codecs and be able to record video with them? At the moment I use MPEG at 640x480...I can get better resolution?
I currently use Nero recode for mp4 which is very good in my opinion plus the video qualityis great, but need one that can handle HD rips, any pointers will be appreciated.
Try mediacoder its open source and its free, very powerful tool to convert videos.
Not sure if SUPER does mkv, but it's free and has loads of options.
Thanks have tried mediacoder but keep getting no output file error, ve played around some with no success...
I ll give super atry also..
I have been using MP4forHD and winmenc that i used for my HD2 and they come out excellent looking.
jpopgt said:
I have been using MP4forHD and winmenc that i used for my HD2 and they come out excellent looking.
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What am I doing wrong in Winmenc, every time I encode something using either xvid or x264...and i copy over to the desire when i explore using astro, i cant find the files...
Did you use the profile setting......
[0-HTC HD2] MP4 H264 800x480 2000kbps Sharpened, AAC 44Khz 96kbps
or
[0-HTC HD2] MP4 H264 Baseline 800x480 1800kbps Sharpened, AAC 44Khz 96kbps
I think i downloaded off one of the HD2 forums but can't find a link now.
If you want, i will upload them for you.
Note - i have noticed a slight lip sync on playback though but video is stunning.
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What am I doing wrong in Winmenc, every time I encode something using either xvid or x264...and i copy over to the desire when i explore using astro, i cant find the files...
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I tried Winmenc today and it didn't fly for me either. 1st-pass runs fine but 2nd pass immediately renders a 0-bytes file. It's the same with single pass encoding. Perhaps we are missing some obligatory codecs for this program to function properly.
Mp4ForHD works fine though: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478050
Try this clip i made and see if it shows.....
http://rapidshare.com/files/371991498/Satoyama.mp4
You may need this profile ini.....
http://rapidshare.com/files/371989525/new_profile.ini
I never wrote the ini file, it was someone on the HD2 forum.
jpopgt said:
Did you use the profile setting......
[0-HTC HD2] MP4 H264 800x480 2000kbps Sharpened, AAC 44Khz 96kbps
or
[0-HTC HD2] MP4 H264 Baseline 800x480 1800kbps Sharpened, AAC 44Khz 96kbps
I think i downloaded off one of the HD2 forums but can't find a link now.
If you want, i will upload them for you.
Note - i have noticed a slight lip sync on playback though but video is stunning.
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Thanks for this will give it a shot, but 2000kbps is a lot of bit rate and lot of memory card space, i will edit the settings and reduce the bit rate to around 750 for the video and bout 96 for audio..
I just use Handbrake.
800 x 480, 1500kbps data rate, 128 audio at 48khz
are you able to save a profile out.. haven't used HANDBAKE before so being a little lazy
thx
I use Format Factory 2.30
Select psp and ps3 in output settings and choose xperia x1 avc
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I use Format Factory 2.30
Select psp and ps3 in output settings and choose xperia x1 avc
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I also like Format Factory. But Desire doesn't play video as nice as HD2 does...
Hope a real good player will come out soon...
Have you tried mvideoplayer off the market, runs nicely.
Yes, I have now. It does work ok, but still seems that HD2 perform better.
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Miro Video Convertor
Super simple totally worth it. Otherwise I just used handbreak which I still do for larger files which I want to tweak more. Miro Video Converter is soooo easy though and nice if you just want to drag and drop a file to get what you need.
Sadly I cant post a link yet since I'm a "new" user, though I've looked at this site for years. Wonder how long it'll take to be verified?
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Super simple totally worth it. Otherwise I just used handbreak which I still do for larger files which I want to tweak more. Miro Video Converter is soooo easy though and nice if you just want to drag and drop a file to get what you need.
Sadly I cant post a link yet since I'm a "new" user, though I've looked at this site for years. Wonder how long it'll take to be verified?
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wow that does look really good, it even has a Nexus One profile which should work perfectly!
will check it out...
edit: tried it and dont like it. It gives you no control over bit rate/quality and as such transcoding a large file ends up in a file almost the same size.
The search continues....
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Try this clip i made and see if it shows.....
http://rapidshare.com/files/371991498/Satoyama.mp4
You may need this profile ini.....
http://rapidshare.com/files/371989525/new_profile.ini
I never wrote the ini file, it was someone on the HD2 forum.
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Hi thanks for the .ini, I changed the bitrate to 1000, framerate to original and the audio bitrate to 160. looks nice. I am going to play around with the video bit rate and see how low I can take it.
What is interesting is that the Desire will play these x264 encodes but not my handbrake x264 encodes, wonder what I am doing wrong.....
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Hi thanks for the .ini, I changed the bitrate to 1000, framerate to original and the audio bitrate to 160. looks nice. I am going to play around with the video bit rate and see how low I can take it.
What is interesting is that the Desire will play these x264 encodes but not my handbrake x264 encodes, wonder what I am doing wrong.....
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If you find a solution for the lip sync problem....let us know
I have been messing about with different settings and think i have found the solution to perfect video convertions but some other fault always appears.