I posted this on the TyTN thread, but wanted the input of readers on this thread as well.
What would the major differances be between the TyTN ie Qtek 9600 model phone in the performance area as opposed to the Wizard model phones ie.. cingular 8125/T-Mobile MDA phones? Does the processor speed of the two model greatly affect the running of the phone or is it reduced due to the fact that they really arn't apples to apples on the processor as one is a samsung processor and the other the omap.
Also am considering the HP hw6945 model as well. If any one has any insight on that.
Thanks for any insight.
pschmidt
pschmidt63 said:
I posted this on the TyTN thread, but wanted the input of readers on this thread as well.
What would the major differances be between the TyTN ie Qtek 9600 model phone in the performance area as opposed to the Wizard model phones ie.. cingular 8125/T-Mobile MDA phones? Does the processor speed of the two model greatly affect the running of the phone or is it reduced due to the fact that they really arn't apples to apples on the processor as one is a samsung processor and the other the omap.
Also am considering the HP hw6945 model as well. If any one has any insight on that.
Thanks for any insight.
pschmidt
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Apples and oranges, I'd say. While, in cases, overclocking the Wizard may result in great speed increase (which can help in, say, loading Opera Mobile), I use it witout overclocking and am absolutely happy with it.
That is, don't be afraid of the "slow" 195 MHz Wizard. If you do find it slow, you can always overclock it.
I've had the k-jam since december of 05. I've never been so thilled with a phone in my life (and I've had several hundred easily).
I've never had a time where I really wished the k-jam had more processor. Sure, if offered I'd take it, but I've never had an issue without. I don't overclock at all.
A friend has the TyTN and he loves it (he went from the RAZR to it and it was his first PPC phone). Compared to my k-jam, the menus are a little snappier but all the apps run the same speed. While I'm dying to have a device with UMTS, the TyTN isn't worth the price of upgrading for me.
But, if you don't have either and you're looking for one, ALWAYS get the latest and greatest. Simple rule. But if you have the wizard, hold off because there's much better stuff coming soon. There always is.
-Mc
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I have a HTC Blue Angel (also called Qtek 9090, XDA III) and I'd like to buy a HTC Universal (XDA Exec, Qtek 9000) to replace it.
However, I keep hearing that it's slow, and that it's slower than the Blue Angel.
Is this true, or are the people who say it's slow using it in a wrong way (for example using lots of memory-hungry programs at the same time)?
Anything else to look for when buying one?
If you want to get an idea of what it's REALLY going to be like, I suggest you visit the BA Upgrading Forum at xda-dev and download the TuMa v1.4 ROM of WM5 and take the plunge of upgrading your device. It will give you an apples-to-apples idea of how WM5 runs on a device with the same configuration.
There's no easy answer to your question. In short WM2003SE is faster, but the utility gained by moving to the newer OS far surpasses the benefit of speed. That's just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.
But the Universal has a faster processor than the Blue Angel.
Isn't the user experience about similar, because of the faster processor (slowness of WM 5 being compensated by the increased CPU speed)?
I think most people will tell you that the jump from the BA CPU to the Universal CPU is nominal (at best). Certainly under the WM5, this is the case.
Yes, perhaps the bump in speed for the CPU should compensate, but in reality it does so only a bit. This is because of the inherent operation of WM5 (i.e. the stuff is executed out of ROM, which is slower than RAM).
For details see Mike C.'s excellent post http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/08/19/453784.aspx
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I have a HTC Blue Angel (also called Qtek 9090, XDA III) and I'd like to buy a HTC Universal (XDA Exec, Qtek 9000) to replace it.
However, I keep hearing that it's slow, and that it's slower than the Blue Angel.
Is this true, or are the people who say it's slow using it in a wrong way (for example using lots of memory-hungry programs at the same time)?
Anything else to look for when buying one?
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Hi,
Upgraded from the BA (Orange M2000) to Universal (Orange M5000)
I can honestly say that the M5000 is slower - i dont think the devices fault but WM5!
After having the M500 for 2-3 weeks now and then going back to look at the M2000's screen there is a massive difference. Due to that I wouldnt consider going back to the M2000.
The M5000 is a fantastic device and is a bit slower than the M2000 but more than makes up for it in other ways.
Just my penneth.
Matt
So it seems
I have both devices both running wm5. The Blue angle seems to have more running memory but I'm not positive how much memory the wm5 OS can handle
Unfortunately:
YES, its slower
Maybe wait for WM5SE (Codename Crossbow).
short answer: It's worth it
Ady is right.
100% Worth it !
My contribution....
I moved from BA to Universal. I use both very simply....phone, email, internet etc...bit of tomtom
No strange apps, no mods, boring old o2 ROMs.....
and I think the Universal is slower....but only slightly and not so it would really bother you. :wink:
And anyway, the Universal looks so much better so just get it!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
HPJ
I have both and I find the Universal is a lot slower, even when running it at 624MHz.
Blame WM5, though, not HTC.
I bought it
I have just bought a Qtek 9000 (HTC Universal) and a Corsair 133X SD card, so I can access the data quickly.
It's a bit slower than the Blue Angel, indeed. But, for some things, it is faster:
- Pocket IE doesn't lock up for 2 minutes when loading complex web sites
- browsing is faster because of the 3G
- Pocket Word loads complex documents faster
Overall, I'm very pleased with the upgrade.
I think that I don't feel the slowness because I don't use programs which put themselves on the TODAY screen - I configure the PDA to show the date and the calendar, and that's it.
In my view the VGA compensates all drawbacks of the speed issues...
really fantastic with PIE and Adobe Reader PPC 2.0
Does Wizard have same CPU as Universal
I have a Blue Angel running WM2003SE and a Wizard running WM5. BA is MUCH faster. Does the Wizard have the same CPU as the Universal?
If I flashed the BA to WM5 would it be as slow as the Wizard? Could the BA be overclocked with 'Omap..'?
Which ROM would you suggest for running WM5 on the BA?
Thanks.
Dude--the Wizard CPU is a jalopy compared to the Universal's hotrod. That's not a fair comparison at all. The only true comparison would be with a HTC Alpine device which runs the same CPU as the Universal.
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Dude--the Wizard CPU is a jalopy compared to the Universal's hotrod. That's not a fair comparison at all. The only true comparison would be with a HTC Alpine device which runs the same CPU as the Universal.
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The Wizard is certainly slow but has a useable keyboard and 3G WiFi unlike the BA.
Any response to my other questions?
I am expecting a Prophet in the next week, is it the same CPU as the Wizard (and no keyboard at all)?
This is all off-topic so if you have a question about the Prophet or Wizard or the BA, you should post it in the appropriate forum. The answers to all your questions already exist. Please use the search function. That's why it's there.
On to my reponse:
Useable keyboard? Perhaps, but you will find as many haters of that keyboard, as well--Although I agree it's better than the BA's. And no, the Wizard does not have a 3G radio. It has EDGE (which is more like 2.5G). Yes, it has WiFi, but so does the BA. How is that any different?
The Prophet has no keyboard and has the same '****ty' OMAP CPU as the Wizard. I was using this lame ass CPU with HP's 6315 almost two years ago. It sucks. Software-based enhancements make the new ROMs for the Wizard and Prophet more responsive, but it's still what it is. Which is S.L.O.W.
There are huge threads devoted to the BA WM5 experience. Try the TuMa 1.4 ROM or the newest Ivan release. Please browse through the BA Upgrading forum for details (I suggest this to the OP, as well). I doubt the 'overclocked OMAP' could ever match the raw CPU power of the Xscale CPU. I am not going to get into a war over CPU architecture here.
My .02 hilala as they say here in Saudi Arabia.
It was evident from very early on that the K-Jam was under powered. I would assume that this upgrade is sufficiently powerful to not be affected by the same flaws.
Anyone out there placed to give a comparison? Does the TyTn hang? Need for Soft Reset or Hard Reset? Anyone tried TomTom? Anyone tried doing 3 things at once with it? How much better is it? Did any of you actually experience the problems with the K-Jam I did? How does the speed compare to the JasJar? I am umming and ahhing over the TyTn and P990i, a tough choice ahead.
Please make any other points you feel relevant.
Many thanks
I have a wizard. The tytn looks nice, I would buy it in a snap over the 990 if I didn't have a wizard.
Reasons I'm not getting it:
1) my keyboard is nicer on the wizard
2) I have 7GB of MiniSD (TyTn is microsd)
3) Tytn has one speaker on the back instead of 2 stereo on the sides
Heres a little photo comparison review of the Tytn and Wizard (Dopod 838)
http://docfiles.blogspot.com/2006/08/docs-dopod-838-pro-photo-review.html#links
Thanks for that.
Please have a look at the benchamark results for the TyTn against some other devices.
The Dopod 838 Pro is the TyTn
http://www.indippc.com/v3/index.php/topic,676.0.html
Price, I got my Wizard (Cingular 8125) for 400 dollars, vs. paying 800 for a TyTN....
Clearly I'd say the best device is the Universal, nevertheless being a proud owner of a TyTN, considering all features and form-factor I'd say this is the device to get. Of course if you don't mind the size the Universal is clearly superior, the comparison between TyTN and Wizard is more likely to give you second thougths. Much faster, equally good battery and UMTS are in favor of the TyTN. The price is clearly on Wizard's side, but since you can find the TyTN for 690 Euros here in Portugal I would definitely recommend it.
Although the Universal may be the best overall device, as it does not have US UMTS/HSDPA frequencies, it's really a non-issue here... Go with the TyTN.
How much faster is this new processor compared to the Wizards? Is noticably much faster, or not much?
Is it worth the upgrade?
yes it is, video streaming, usege of phone, bootup all faster but i must say t-mob rom has som glitches. not obvious but still there
The speed increase wasn't as fantastic as I had hoped, but it makes the device definitely more usable.
I'd say if you are a heavy user of the device and have the "Spare" cash, GET ONE, If not, wait for the next Vario III or whatever its gonna be called.
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How much faster is this new processor compared to the Wizards? Is noticably much faster, or not much?
Is it worth the upgrade?
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If you want to use Skype and 3G, then yes. Other not really. Don't get me wrong it is the best device for me, but unless you can get a good deal then as has been said already the speed difference isn't onticeable from the latest Wizard ROMs.
TyTN vs Wizaed? No Contest!!
C'mon guys you gotta be kidding!!??!!
The TyTN/VarioII/SPV 3100...and its other guises, is far superior to the Wizard, even with the latest ROM!
Compare:
Does the Wizard have a commendable 2MP camera worthy of taking on SE K750i?
Does the Wizard have A2DP & AKU2 out the box?
Does it Multitask like the TyTN without lag?
Is it as varied in operability i.e. one-handed navigation plus many buttons?
Does it have HSDPA compatibility?
Is the screen as bright and clear?
Does it even have 3G?
Can it Video call?
NO!
The Wizard is good an everything but the TyTN is Great in comparison. Just my 2 cents worth.
Aye but unless you're wanting to use 3G, want to run lots of apps or use the camera then it's not noticeable better than the Wizard. I still have to see the difference in speed between the latest Wizard ROMs and the TyTYN.
As I said it is better, but not worth taking out a new contract to run against your existing one like a lot of people are doing.
Allow me to step in with a related question: The 3rd party compatible battery charts from Hongkong manufacturers show the HTC batteries from the Wizard and Hermes to be compatible. Can you confirm this?
@Lucas0511
The batteries are completely different.
The Wizard one is much smaller than that of the Hermes.
See attached picture
Cheers,
Drifter
The Wizard was Okay, but not close to the Tytn. I found the Wizard keyboard (Qtek 9100) somewhat unusable, the annoyance of constantly hitting the camera button a nuisance, and the constant speed degredations because it was doing some housekeeping unacceptable, all of these issues are gone with the Tytn. The ability to use Skype on the phone, important to communicate overseas, and other features made this an easy choice. Plus, don't ask me how I did it, but broke the spring holding in the memory card on the Wizard, which made it ready for retirement.
The Vario is a Good Phone, The vario II is definitely a better phone, but the newer version is still very expensive SIM free at the moment and So in my opinion the bottom line is if you use it to its full potentional AND if you have the spare cash.
The Vario II isn't as brilliant as I would have hoped, the 400Mhz processor is FASTER, but you still see abit of lag which I wasn't expecting.
UMTS and HSPDA make the device MUCH faster for downloading, but its still quite slow with internet browsing.
The camera is better but not even in its wildest dreams can it take on the SE K750.
Video calling - How often do people use this ?
You also need to keep in mind that will the pace that phones are being developed and released that the Vario III is possibly going to be released within the next 12 months or less.
So, the bottom line I would say is ..... do you need it and have you got the money.
Hi all,
I've been running the Wizard for almost 9 months now - clocked at 264 MHz thanks to omapclock - without any problem.
I got a TyTN from my job at the end of July and could not see any noticeable difference in terms of latency or execution speed.
The battery lasts only 24 hours when I am under UMTS coverage (48h at least with the Wizard with Edge).
I seriously think I'll get back to the Wizard until a decent french ROM version is available :?
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HTC TyTN French (HERM200)
ROM: 1.18.256.2 (05/30/06) - ExtROM: 1.18.256.103
Radio: 1.03.03.10 - Proto: 32.34.7010.01H
I think i will stick with my Wizard for now. From what i have read on these forums and elsewhere, the differences, while nice, are not compelling enough for warrent the spend.
Thanks for you input.
I use Slingplayer. Will the tytn make a difference? I also live in Dallas where umts is active.
What would the major differances be between the TyTN ie Qtek 9600 model phone in the performance area as opposed to the Wizard model phones ie.. cingular 8125/T-Mobile MDA phones? Does the processor speed of the two model greatly affect the running of the phone or is it reduced due to the fact that they really arn't apples to apples on the processor as one is a samsung processor and the other the omap.
Also am considering the HP hw6945 model as well. If any one has any insight on that.
Thanks for any insight.
pschmidt
well, I own both of them (moving from the wizard to the tytn). The tytn seems snappier in general, but I don't run any CPU-intensive program so it's hard to say exactly how much faster it is. Maybe some of the other forum members have a more informed opinion.
Moved to TyTN from k-jam (wizard) and I'm convinced it's much snappier and generally more stable -- I rely on my phone connection for internet access and email and have found the TyTN up and downloads msg. faster than my k-jam and I can surf the web comfortably with it at EDGE speeds (Cingular USA hasn't delivered 3G in my area yet). As far as I'm concerned this has been a really good move and I might end up keeping my TyTN for a longtime (as a gadget geek I generally get caught up in the next technology moves so I buy and sell pdas pretty often).
From a display response perspective, my TyTN feels about as fast as my 8125 which I overclocked to 240mhz. Internet browsing on Cingular's Edge network is much faster though. Here's a quote from eeter which may explain this:
EDGE on the TyTN is supposed to be faster than the 8125. It has a new feature called Extended TBF Release which improves the overall throuput
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From a display response perspective, my TyTN feels about as fast as my 8125 which I overclocked to 240mhz. Internet browsing on Cingular's Edge network is much faster though. Here's a quote from eeter which may explain this:
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Thanks Sleuth - that's interesting and explains a lot. I also use a Slingbox and have found my TyTN works pretty good even though I don't yet have 3G speed on the local Cingular net. Push email is also faster.
I've had a HTC Wizard (unlocked) for almost 3 years. It's been a solid, dependable unit. Thanks to this board, I have it re-flashed to WM6, and it works nice.
I have been thinking of "upgrading" to a faster phone.. the Wizard's CPU is 200MHz... the Hermes is 400Mhz, right?
Is the Hermes basically the "same" phone as the Wizard, with just a faster CPU? Or is the Hermes "more different" than just the CPU? Does the Hermes have speakers like the Wizard, so it can be set on the table and used as a speakerphone, or so you can listen to music without headphones?
And I've read something on these boards about a HTC 8925 Tilt/Kaiser? If I upgrade, should I go to a Hermes or a Tilt/Kaiser?
Thanks in advance,
Keith
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I've had a HTC Wizard (unlocked) for almost 3 years. It's been a solid, dependable unit. Thanks to this board, I have it re-flashed to WM6, and it works nice.
I have been thinking of "upgrading" to a faster phone.. the Wizard's CPU is 200MHz... the Hermes is 400Mhz, right?
Is the Hermes basically the "same" phone as the Wizard, with just a faster CPU? Or is the Hermes "more different" than just the CPU? Does the Hermes have speakers like the Wizard, so it can be set on the table and used as a speakerphone, or so you can listen to music without headphones?
And I've read something on these boards about a HTC 8925 Tilt/Kaiser? If I upgrade, should I go to a Hermes or a Tilt/Kaiser?
Thanks in advance,
Keith
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I'd certainly go for the Kaiser. Quite a few issues were ironed out and sorted with the Kaiser / Tilt.
Mike
Performance-wise, I never noticed a difference when I upgraded from Wizard to Hermes - the faster processor had seemingly no effect.
The only differences between the two models are the 3g/hsdpa, and the scroll wheel is a slight improvement on the slide switch.
If I was looking to buy a new handset now I would discount the Hermes because of its lack of ram. Far better to get a Kaiser or better. Personally now I would be looking for a better resolution screen, as vga is now common and better supported.
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I've had a HTC Wizard (unlocked) for almost 3 years. It's been a solid, dependable unit. Thanks to this board, I have it re-flashed to WM6, and it works nice.
I have been thinking of "upgrading" to a faster phone.. the Wizard's CPU is 200MHz... the Hermes is 400Mhz, right?
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Hi there... I finally picked a replacement phone -- after lots of research, and waiting for a good deal, I got a used HTC Universal. It's an EXCELLENT device, more like a mini-netbook than a phone. Has a 500MHz Intel CPU in it, and plays 30fps movies at up to 1.15Mbps (Mpeg 1) with no problems. I am very happy with my upgrade.