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how the hell do you turn off the device, if i press the power button once the screen goes completely black and i cannot tap anything but i can still recieve calls and if i press any of the buttons it comes alive. if i press and continue pressing for two seconds, the screen simply dims and i can still tap on the screen?
so how do you switch it off?
and if you reset how do you prevent it from loading the T-Mobile customization?
Also, mine has a dead pixel and i have just opened it can i take it back as faulty? it's only one dead pixel but it's really really annoying...does it count as a fault. i'm gonna try and take mine back tomorrow
A short press turns the unit off
A longer press will shut down the backlight, but leave the unit on
Longkesh said:
A short press turns the unit off
A longer press will shut down the backlight, but leave the unit on
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Well, when i do that the screen goes blank but i can still recieve calls and if i press any of the buttons it goes back on again!!!!!!!!!!!!
To totaly turn off the device you need to slide the battery lock button out and then back in. It is the only way I have found to totaly turn the device off.
To lock the keys go into "settings" then "system" and choose "button lock" then choose "Lock all buttons except power button".
John
oh, i see. i thought it was like the other phones, nokia SE etc.
thanks alot for all your replies
thank you
this is not a phone, this is a pdaphone, it works like a pda... if you want tu turn off the phone, you can use the flight mode.
sayreul said:
this is not a phone, this is a pdaphone, it works like a pda... if you want tu turn off the phone, you can use the flight mode.
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I dont think it has anyhting to do with PDA. I have had 3 PDA's before. All of them had an "off" button that turned the thing off. Ditto for phones. So this is just Microsoft's strange decision. Dont make the guy feel back just because he is thinking logically - and they are not.
I've had quite a few PDAs over the years:- Casio E80? Psion 3, 3a, 3c, 5, 5mx, iPaq 3630, XDAI, XDAII, MDA Compact.
None of them have ever had an off button. They turn off the screen and may even slow the processor or put it in sleep mode. But they all kept their memory powered up and clock / alarms / appointments alive at all times.
This may change in the future as flash ram is now fast enough that you could actually run stuff from it so you could truly kill power (apart from clock and wakeup stuff) without emptying your memory.
My old Visor Edge, Palm Tungsten T, T2 and TE all had off buttons. I dont know of any electronic device where anyone should expect that the "off" botton doesn't turn it off.
If that button on Windows Mobile devices is a "sleep" button, then they should mark it with a "sleep" symbol, rather than the intl symbol for "power", which is what they have on there - and which is what confuses people.
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My old Visor Edge, Palm Tungsten T, T2 and TE all had off buttons. I dont know of any electronic device where anyone should expect that the "off" botton doesn't turn it off.
If that button on Windows Mobile devices is a "sleep" button, then they should mark it with a "sleep" symbol, rather than the intl symbol for "power", which is what they have on there - and which is what confuses people.
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So, if your Palm completely powered down when you pressed this magic "off" button, how come the alarms still worked? How come it woke up when you pressed any of the four application buttons or tapped the screen? How come your data was still kept in RAM?
More wisdom from the skagen...
My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
If you press the "off" button on your N 6100 or SE T610 you are right in that they would really be off. You can not receive a call, any alarms will not sound until you turn the phone on again and so on.
But this is not so for most PDA:s on the market.
Most PDA:s will go into some kind of sleep mode when you press the "off" button. And mostly it is not even a true sleep mode, a lot of processes are still running, and even network connections can be kept active. This is also the way most PDA users would want their PDA to work. Also, the way most PDA:s are built, a power down means resetting everything back to defaults and thereby loosing all of your data and third party applications. This could be cured by using non volatile RAM for all of the memory, but I guess there is probably a good reason why this is not normally done.
Actually, on most modern computers a short tap on the power button will put them in suspend mode and holding it for more than two seconds will turn them off. So the only thing that is really strange with the PDA is that a long press on the button will not even put it in sleep mode but only shut off power to the display. And as I actually don't know anyone that has ever used that worthless function I think they should probably replace it with a "real" sleep mode, where all of the hardware is actually shut off except for support voltage to keep the memory "alive".
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If you press the "off" button on your N 6100 or SE T610 you are right in that they would really be off. You can not receive a call, any alarms will not sound until you turn the phone on again and so on.
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On N 6100 ,and on all nokia phones, the clock alarm wake's up the phone... You then have a choice of whether to activate the phone or not...
Same with all the Siemens phones I owned ( 4 so far). When shutting off the phone, the clock and alarms keep working. The only thing that does not work, off course, is the radio so incoming calls are diverted to voice mail. But with the phone off, the alarms still wake me up!
It would indeed be a good idea if using the power button on any type of XDA would turn the device really off, using power only for keeping the clock working and the data stored...
If the alarms jeep working on your phone when in "off" mode it is not actually off but in a low power mode with the phone functions turned off. So what you are really asking for is that the power button should turn off the phone but keep the pda running. This seems quite useless to me. Exactly how often are you in such a hurry to turn off the phone?
Yes, the device is in sleep mode, but it is a very deep sleep indeed, since it uses close to zero power. When I put my Compact in sleep mode, running programs will not shut down but will stay running, the Today screen is still running and the same goes for the phone radio and GPRS. This means that the battery drains much quicker. So in order to save power, I have to turn off the radio (flight mode), kill running apps and then put the device to sleep with the power button. Seems like rather a hassle, doesn't it, compared to a normal phone? So I don't mean for the PDA to keep running ful operations, but rather to power down to a level where it only uses a little power to keep the storage working. And when waking up, I don't need to see the Today right away, a few seconds loading the screen like on a normal phone is worth the power save to me.
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My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
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This guy is unbelievable. You were claiming that your Palm turned completely off when you hit the off button - not a cellphone, jerk.
Koksie said:
When I put my Compact in sleep mode, running programs will not shut down but will stay running, the Today screen is still running and the same goes for the phone radio and GPRS. This means that the battery drains much quicker. So in order to save power, I have to turn off the radio (flight mode), kill running apps and then put the device to sleep with the power button.
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Wrong - programs that can be _are_ suspended when you put the PDA into standby. Try it with MediaPlayer.
How do you know the Today screen is still running? Like you know the fridge light really stays on when you shut the door?
Wouldn't you be complaining more (because of the missed calls) if turning the PDA off to save the battery also killed the phone?
Most of us can get our heads round this - the Standby button on the side controls the PDA. The Flight mode controls the phone. Not exactly difficult, is it?
Koksie said:
And when waking up, I don't need to see the Today right away, a few seconds loading the screen like on a normal phone is worth the power save to me.
That's where you fall into sjkagen's trap, again. For the zillionth time, the Jam/Compact is not just a phone. It's primarily a PDA. That's why it costs so much more than a phone. And on a PDA, you need to be able to look up information instantly - not have to wait a minute for the darn thing to boot up.
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skagen said:
My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
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Oh skagen, how ignorant you are. Seems you cannot understand pictures, let alone words.
The label on the Jam "off" button is a line through a broken circle, which is the IEC symbol for STANDBY, not POWER OFF. Just like on all other PDAs, and your TV remote control.
See
http://eetd.lbl.gov/Controls/overview/symbols1.pdf
Now look again at all your "phones" which completely shut down when you press the "power" button. What symbol do they have?
Seeing as you obviously have so much difficulty telling the difference between a cellphone and a Palm, a phone and a PocketPC, or a power switch from a standby button, here's another teaser for you.
1. How do cellphones manage to keep their memory when they are turned off or the battery is removed?
2. What is the difference between the memory in cellphone and that in most PDAs?
3. Why do most PDAs have Standby (Soft Off) and not Power (Hard Off) buttons?
Wow, seems like some people are getting really sensitive when I call the Magician a phone... Sorry if I insulted you guys, it is just that I compare it to a phone because I use it for that the most, but I do understand that it is actually much more than that!
I have no problems with the way the sleep button works, it is ok for me, I just wanted to say that there are other possibilities that could have been used to map the button to. Especially since some people would have liked the button to work more "phone wise". But since it is primarily a PDA, I see that this current application is the most logical thing for the button to do.
BTW you are totally right that most running apps are termintated when pushing the power button. Although WMP stays active in the running programs menu, the music is cut off. However, since the prog stays loaded, does this consume more power than shutting it down completey (e.g. with SPB Pocket Plus)?
I think the Today screen stays loaded BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT THERE AFTER WAKE UP, just as you say: it does not have to be booted first. BTW: I have a little window in my fridge door to check wether the light goes off .
And please guys, don't call each other jerks or ignorant just because someone's questions or remarks anoy you. Reply polite or don't reply at all!
This is NOT a JOKE!
I have a HTC Apache.
How can I turn the phone off?
Button 1. Press to turn on and off your device or backlight.
a.When I press it, the backlight turns off, press it again turns backlight on.
b.Hold it down and it just turns the backlight off
I am downloading HTC Apache AKU 2.2 Software Update now and will install it shortly
As far as I'm awarem you can't turn them off... If you don't want to be disturbed, turn flight mode on, but I've never figured out a way to actually turn it off, short of ripping the battery out, but this might be risky on some devices. Sorry, I don't know much about the devices I don't have, and I only have a Blue Angel and a Universal...
I've not tried it on the apache, but could you try my program VJEschaton, using the option
Code:
VJEschaton -sleep
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=275863#275863
It should be able to put Intel xscale based phones to long term sleep (ie effectively switch it off).
V
Thanks for the infor.
Why would they make a phone without a OFF SWITCH???
In the manual it says, "Always turn off your device before perorming a soft reset or install/replace the battery..
Don't get me started on them not including the power off feature:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=319367#319367
V
A short press of the standby button will put the PDA in standby. Holding it longer turns the backlight on and off.
If you hold the end call button for a few seconds, it puts the phone part in flight mode.
Is there an app or something that can turn the device completely off? I hate this alway on mode that WM insists on :?
Cheers
btw. using a qtek9000
Why do you want it completely off?
I think that's normal for pocket pcs isn't it? I know the XDA2 was the same. Feels weird at first but you get used to it.
Putting it in flight mode then turning the screen off is the closest you can get. Or you can take the battery out to turn it off completely, but that's just ball ache :lol:
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Why do you want it completely off?
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Well, sometimes I don't use it for a few days, so I'd like it off...
If I take the battery out, then out it back in, it stays off until the power button is pressed, that's the kind of app I'd like. Like psshutXP, but that really turns it off...
Maby there's no way to do this though
GaZ said:
I think that's normal for pocket pcs isn't it? I know the XDA2 was the same. Feels weird at first but you get used to it.
Putting it in flight mode then turning the screen off is the closest you can get. Or you can take the battery out to turn it off completely, but that's just ball ache :lol:
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Yea, I'm used to it, having owned a few different PPC's, I just figured that a device that doesn't lose all info when the battery runs out should have a proper off button :wink:
I am not sure but maybe u can take a look at SkSchema (commercial).
A lot of functions including POWER OFF but I!m a user of Wizard (has off function itself) so nor sure works for u :roll:
I am not sure but maybe u can take a look at SkSchema (commercial).
A lot of functions including POWER OFF but I!m a user of Wizard (has off function itself) so nor sure works for u :roll:
VJEschaton can turn it off (it's never quite off, but close enough), using the option -sleep
V
Press the power button several seconds and you will see a popup showing ...."the pda will turn off". Then your pda will be completly turned off (no phone, no energy, etc)
dherrero said:
Press the power button several seconds and you will see a popup showing ...."the pda will turn off". Then your pda will be completly turned off (no phone, no energy, etc)
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Not on my QTek9000, all that does is turn the backlight off...
Hey, did anyone found solution... is it possible to tweak settings somehow so that display turns on by pushing home button? Or do I really have to push power button every time?
I know of volume button tweak, but.. that one is no good (volume settings gets displayed)... Any other ideas, suggestions? (other than "pull the stylus")
Thanks!
Try AE Button Plus. You can customize a lot of buttons. I didn't tried what you asked, but it worth a try.
Anyway, take care using it.
I would say not. There appears to be no power to these lower buttons while in standby, so no software could work?
Kev
cokester said:
Hey, did anyone found solution... is it possible to tweak settings somehow so that display turns on by pushing home button?!
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No, for the reasons given.
BUT... you could use MobileMagic to toggle the screen on/off when device is turned face down. That way when you turn it face down, screen goes off and buttons are locked. To turn it back on, turn devicedevice face down again.
You do need to go to Start-Settings-System-Power-Advanced and untick the option, "Turn off device if not used for", because if the device gets turned off (instead of just screen off) it won't respond.
I have it set to turn screen off on reverse portrait too,
so it turns off automatically when I put it in my pocket.
Im also afraid for that power button... used it a lot on my diamond so it got bricked, its so gentle... Im using it as much as little possible now on mine HD for that reason.
I have s2u2 unlock on stylus out, so I pull out the stylus, the HD comes on and unlocks. It's so simple.
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No, for the reasons given.
BUT... you could use MobileMagic to toggle the screen on/off when device is turned face down. That way when you turn it face down, screen goes off and buttons are locked. To turn it back on, turn devicedevice face down again.
You do need to go to Start-Settings-System-Power-Advanced and untick the option, "Turn off device if not used for", because if the device gets turned off (instead of just screen off) it won't respond.
I have it set to turn screen off on reverse portrait too,
so it turns off automatically when I put it in my pocket.
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gadgetuk437
Do you find this has any impact on battery life? If i'm right, this just turns off the screen but does not put the device to sleep?
cokester said:
Hey, did anyone found solution... is it possible to tweak settings somehow so that display turns on by pushing home button? Or do I really have to push power button every time?
I know of volume button tweak, but.. that one is no good (volume settings gets displayed)... Any other ideas, suggestions? (other than "pull the stylus")
Thanks!
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That's not possible for the simple reason that the buttons below the screen are part and parcel of the touch screen, so if the screen is off, they won't work.
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Do you find this has any impact on battery life? If i'm right, this just turns off the screen but does not put the device to sleep?
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That is correct.
Power consumption, in this case, depends on what applications are left running. GPS, streaming video, etc would be a bad idea to leave running. But more workday apps use very little juice when the huge power drain of the screen is turned off.
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Try AE Button Plus. You can customize a lot of buttons. I didn't tried what you asked, but it worth a try.
Anyway, take care using it.
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Nope... I've tried that app. Its great for locking down the normal WM hardware buttons, but it doesn't have the HTC bespoke "Home button" on the list of configurable buttons.
Dudes!
Bros!
My power button has stopped responding!
Phone has fallen a few times, so that obviously must be why.
The phone is on right now, and I've set the phone to "Always On Display" because if the screen times out, there's no way to turn the screen back on, unless I call my phone, at least, not that I know of.
I've gone into Developer Mode and turned on USB Debugging.
Now, given that this is a hardware issue, which I know nothing about, and that there are lockdown restrictions in my hood, at the moment, I'm unable to get the phone checked.
So, can you savvy power users (pun not intended) please help me with how to turn the phone on and off without a working power button?
Can I connect my phone the PC and do it like that?
Or can I enter into boot menu without using the power button? (I haven't checked out how to get into recovery mode on this device.)
Just looking for a temporary way to turn the phone on and off, and find an alternative to the power button, until I can get the power button checked.
I can't even turn the screen off so it's draining my battery like crazy!
Thanks for reading, brothers!
Hope someone can help me out!
Cheers.
wokeaf said:
Dudes!
Bros!
My power button has stopped responding!
Phone has fallen a few times, so that obviously must be why.
The phone is on right now, and I've set the phone to "Always On Display" because if the screen times out, there's no way to turn the screen back on, unless I call my phone, at least, not that I know of.
I've gone into Developer Mode and turned on USB Debugging.
Now, given that this is a hardware issue, which I know nothing about, and that there are lockdown restrictions in my hood, at the moment, I'm unable to get the phone checked.
So, can you savvy power users (pun not intended) please help me with how to turn the phone on and off without a working power button?
Can I connect my phone the PC and do it like that?
Or can I enter into boot menu without using the power button? (I haven't checked out how to get into recovery mode on this device.)
Just looking for a temporary way to turn the phone on and off, and find an alternative to the power button, until I can get the power button checked.
I can't even turn the screen off so it's draining my battery like crazy!
Thanks for reading, brothers!
Hope someone can help me out!
Cheers.
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Double tap on the screen does not activate the display?
There are some options in accessibility settings. Maybe there you will find a feature that can help a little bit.