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Blue Angel Wi-Fi connection settings

I have the PDA2k and I'm having problems alternating between the GPRS connection and the Wi-Fi connection. I will try to explain the problem:
I live in Saudi Arabia and therefore, unfortunately, all connections to the Internet must go through a government proxy server. Each connection has a different proxy server address based on the service provider.
I have set up in my house a wireless Wi-Fi network that connects to the Internet. What I mentioned above entails that the proxy address used for my home connection is different from the proxy address used for my GPRS connection.
For this purpose I had to configure a different connection settings for each connection. I went to Start>>Settings>>Connections>>Connections>>Advanced and clicked on "Select Networks". For my GPRS connection there is a connection settings called "STC_Saudi_Arabia" that has the GPRS proxy address configured. I also entered the proxy address used for my Wi-Fi connection in the "My Workplace" connection settings.
Whenever my phone connects through GPRS it automatically selects the "STC_Saudi_Arabia" for the "Programs that automatically connect to the Internet should connect using:" option. This is congifured by my PDA2k provider.
Nevertheless, whenever I turn on my Wi-Fi the device automatically selects a connection setting called "My ISP". This is very inconvenient because the "My ISP" connection does not have a field to enter any proxy settings.
Thus, whenever I turn on my Wi-Fi (either because I was out of the house and connecting through GPRS or because my deviced turned off automatically and thus turned off the Wi-Fi adapter) I must go into connections and select the "My Workplace" settings rather than the "My ISP" one.
Is there anyway to associate the "My Workplace" connection with the Wi-Fi adapter? Or, can I configure my proxy address in my "My ISP" connection instead?
On another remotely related topic, why must the Wi-Fi adapter turn off whenever the device shuts off? Can't I choose to keep it on even when the device shuts off?
Thank you everybody... I really appreciate the help

You should be able to easily add your proxy settings to the MY ISP Connection.

imagine_einstein said:
You should be able to easily add your proxy settings to the MY ISP Connection.
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But see, that's impossible. When I edit the "My ISP" connection I only get the "General" and "Modem" tabs, no tab for proxy servers. I will attempt to attach an image capture of the edit screen for the "My ISP" connection which should depict the lack of a proxy tab.
If you would kindly guide me as to how edit the proxy settings for the "My ISP" connection I would be very grateful

Ok, for some reason the image I uploaded was replaced by some image that I have no idea where it came from. It is definately not a file that I uploaded and absolutely not an image capture of my device. I will attempt to upload the file again and see if this works...

That looks nothing like what I saw on my German ROM, the imate ROM or even the HP 6315 ROM
What did you use for the screen captures, I can capture some shots and see if you can find them on your phone.

I'd still like a link to the screen capture but here is the solution:
Start/settings/connections/WLAN/tools/NetworkCards:
If your not connect to an Access point then you see "My network card connects to:" at the top, use the pull down to select WORK.
If your connected to an Access Point then select the Network adapters tab and then selec WORK from the pull down.
Let me know if this works

paulmc said:
That looks nothing like what I saw on my German ROM, the imate ROM or even the HP 6315 ROM
What did you use for the screen captures, I can capture some shots and see if you can find them on your phone.
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I do not understand what you mean by that :? My only guess is that I have caused some confusion by the posting of two images. If that's the case then allow me to explain:
the first image, the one with the "No Bluetooth device was foudn" message, is not a screen capture of mine. I'm guessing that it was attached to my post instead of the image that I uploaded because it had a similar file name to an image uploaded by another user in some other thread.
The screen capture that should depict the fact that I cannot edit any proxy settings on the "My ISP" connection is found in the following message.
Well, now that we've got that out of the way, I tried the solution that you have suggested but to no avail. Whether my selection was "Work" or "Internet" my device would automatically select "My ISP" whenever the Wi-Fi is turned off and turned on again.
Paulmc, I really appreciate that time you're taking to help me out here I owe you one :wink:

I'm not sure what to suggest now, Sorry.

Hey, thanks a lot of trying. I really appreciate it...
Is it only I that suffers from this problem? If anyone else connects to the Internet through different proxy servers then I would appreciate some feedback.
Thanks all

Try creating a new connection under MY WORK CONNECTIONS when you go into connections. You can add a modem connection there as well as set up proxy connections..
Then go into the preferred networks and use the my work connections as both internet and work..

I've noticed the same problem on my SX66. It seems that when the wi-fi card turns on, My ISP is always selected (even if the Wi-Fi card says that it's connected to Work which has a proxy server selected). The only way that I've found to work around this is to go to the network settings, make a selection change that will then trigger the proper connection to be selected.
This makes keeping my inbox up to date over Wi-Fi at work completely impossible.

XDAIIi Wifi Problem

I tried to use Wifi in a cafe, the wireless lan manager show connected to network, buy when i open IE, my PDA always trying to connect with GPRS service. the wifi seems not working, and i could not open a web page.
could some one tell me what should i do :idea:

try picking another network in
system connections connections advanted
pick something other then my isp or what ever the gprs connection is called

hi! thx for reply
i tried today in starbucks, but the GPRS seems still comes up, i picked up my work network, tap edit, there are only three option, 1, auto pick 2, O2 active
3, WAP network
when i open IE, it always inform me, connect to O2 active, then Dialed: Then answering modem has disconnected. To check your connection setting and change them if needed, tap setting.
the wifi connection is realy confuse me, dose any one know how to connect to internet in a cafe or airport??

When you've got wifi enabled make sure that Settings->Connections->Network Cards has My Network Card connects to "The Internet".

Connection settings: My Work Network vs. My ISP?

I'm confused about network settings in my Exec (but I guess this question applies to all WM devices).
What's the functional difference between My Work Network and My ISP? When I'm browsing WiFi networks and a new one is discovered, the notification says:
"Wireless Node 2" network connects me to:
O The Internet (or work via a VPN)
O Work
What's the correct answer? Why do I have a choice? In some cases I'll want the WiFi network to allow me to only access the Internet and in other cases (like the WiFi networks in my house) I want to be able to access the Internet AND browse files on other PCs + use Terminal Services. Should these situations require different settings or are they essentially the same?
Second question: If I'm using a program that needs an internet connection, what settings must I choose to ensure that the system uses WiFi if it can, and then GPRS only if WiFi isn't available? I've changed the option in Settings > Connections > Connections > Advanced > Select Networks so that both drop-down boxes show 'My Work Network' (since I don't want to choose a default of My ISP - i.e. GPRS - for network activity if a WiFi connection is available) but now I can't seem to find any GPRS connection options. How do you all connect to GPRS manually? If I tap the signal status icon at the top of the screen I have no 'Connect GPRS' option like I did on my XDA2.
I'm confused by it all. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide, especially links to pages with how-to guides for idiots
PS. Tried searching these forums, but the subject is too generic and there are hundreds of results.

Hi
In my opinion WM2003SE's handling of connections is horrible. I understand you, being confused.
I'll decribe WM2003SE way...
Your exec has WM2005, but as far as I know, the rules are similar.
The general difference between "Internet" and "Work" is that connection set as "internet" allows you to surf web and give your program access to internet. While connections set as "work" should be used only when you connect to your home/office network (and optionally internet).
About disappearing "Connect GPRS". It's pain in the ass really
You can create as many "connection profiles" as you want (like "My ISP" "My Work Network" "My other freakin' ISP" "Etc")
Then you add some connections to certain profile....
eg.: create gprs connection (named "O2 GPRS inet" for internet in "my ISP" profile.
That means that when you change default Internet profile to "My other freakin' ISP", you won't be able to use "O2 GPRS inet"...
Ok.. answering your first, main question.
If you want to use inet, browse shared folders and use Terminal Services you should edit "My work network" properties and check "This network connects me to the Internet".
When at home. Select (in settings->connections->connections) "My work network" for both auto internet and auto private network.
When roaming around, you should change auto inet to "My ISP" which will have a configured GPRS connection inside.
Your phone will use Wifi first (before GPRS) when activated and available.
OMG.. my fingers hurt.
Have fun fighting with WM

Thanks for your reply, robal. It's a big help but I'm still not 100% sure of the situation.
robal said:
The general difference between "Internet" and "Work" is that connection set as "internet" allows you to surf web and give your program access to internet. While connections set as "work" should be used only when you connect to your home/office network (and optionally internet).
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But I want both types to connect to the Internet. I still don't really see the difference. Does My Work Network apply to connections for which a VPN is necessary? If I choose 'The Internet' as the option when connecting to a new WiFi network, will that change any aspect of the way in which the connection works? Perhaps I should just try it and see. Trouble is, if I screw it up I'll never be able to get it working again!
robal said:
If you want to use inet, browse shared folders and use Terminal Services you should edit "My work network" properties and check "This network connects me to the Internet".
When at home. Select (in settings->connections->connections) "My work network" for both auto internet and auto private network.
When roaming around, you should change auto inet to "My ISP" which will have a configured GPRS connection inside.
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Perhaps I'm expecting the impossible. I want to set it up and forget about it, so that wherever I am my device can access the Internet. If I'm connected to a WiFi network then that's the connection but if not then it dials up GPRS automatically when a program demands a connection.
Does everybody else use robal's method and change the settings depending on the availability of a friendly WiFi access point?
If this is the case then Windows Mobile has a long way to go before the connectivity is seamless...

I was largely having probs connecting to 02's 3G network as I couldn't find the settings.. now I kind of understand. Kind of.
--O2 Contract 3G settings--
Name of connection: O2 Internet
Select a modem: Cellular Line (GPRS, 3G)
Access Point Name: mobile.02.co.uk
Username: mobileweb
password: *** (it was prefilled for me..)
Advanced Button should be set to auto-assign IPs
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With regards the original post, I have mine setup so that if I connect to my local WiFi, then I get the internet through that. If I disconnect, or not in range, etc, then it will use the 3G settings.
I'm still a little in the dark with regards WM5.0s handling of network connections, but here's what I think is right:
Start > Settings > Connections Tab > Connections
[Tasks Tab]
You can only have *2* active connections
You can have multiple profiles under each connection.
So, I renamed my O2 Internet connection to something other than "My ISP", I chose "O2 3G Network" to make things a tiny bit less confusing. (This is the network with your 3G settings in as above.)
The second option I renamed to "My Wireless Network", and as far as I can tell, you do not need to change anything in there - unless you want to add VPN information.
[Advanced Tab]
Click "Select Networks"
Here you can choose between your 2 active connections. For the top option I chose "O2 3G Network", the second option "My Wireless Network".
Click OK
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Now you have two networks setup. Open Internet Explorer..
If you do not have WiFi switched on, it should automagically dial your "O2 3G Network" when you start browsing.
If you're at home, or near a WiFi network, switch it on by holding your stylus on the "U" in the taskbar. This should give you the option to switch on WiFi.
A few handshakes later (this took about 2-3 mins to actually connect to my WiFi) and your "U" should change to the WiFi antenna icon.
*Check you have fully connected to WiFi before browsing!*
Do this by again, holding the stylus on the antenna icon and checking that your WiFi name is displayed, along with the signal strength.
*If you try to browse the web before your WiFi is ready, it will just attempt to dial O2 3G Network!* - Patience is required...
So, whether this answers the original post or not, I mean, it isn't exactly Automatic, but I guess if you leave WiFi switched on, then in theory it will use it, else it will dial your 3G network.
Well, thats my brain dump for my own benefit, hope it helps out others.

That will be very helpful, thanks gaspx. I'll try your suggestions later on and let you know how I get on.
So with those settings when your Exec finds a new wireless network and invites you to set up your connection, which do you choose? "The Internet" or "Work"? I think :?: that those two options are independent of your renaming of "My ISP" to "O2 3G Network"...
I guess I can get it set up right like you have, but I hate not understanding this. It should be so simple but it's not!

"The Internet" or "Work"? I think that those two options are independent of your renaming of "My ISP" to "O2 3G Network"...
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Yes, they are independant and are accessible when you choose Start > Settings > Connections Tab > Network Cards
Then select Network Adaptors tab.
What I'm not fully understanding is how these two options differ(!):
For instance, I have a static IP address on my WiFi, so I choose Network Adaptor Profile "Work", then configure "tiacxwin Compatible Wireless Ethernet" and enter in my static IP and DNS etc..
What I would *expect* to be able to do is choose between "Work" profile and have my static IP, or "The Internet" profile, and have dynamic IP.
But it doesn't appear to work that way.. if I add static IP address, it uses it for both Work and The Internet. Confused ? Me too.
which do you choose? "The Internet" or "Work"?
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So from my initial playing around, it doesn't appear to make any difference! - Otherwise i'd expect to add a roaming WiFi Hotspot to "The Internet" (and dynamic IP) and any Work related (static IP) to "Work".
Must be missing something fundamental here, but O2 Exec manual (pg.92) isn't especially forthcoming with an answer.. :?

This might help you a bit.
I connect to work with a vpn connection over the internet. the address for the vpn is a url.
1. I set up a gprs connection under internet
2. I set up a vpn connection under work to vpndomain.com.au
3. in the advanced tab of connections I add *.vpndomain.com.au to the exceptions list for work connections
4. I start a terminal session to terminal.vpndomain.com.au
the device connects to internet then connects to work over internet.
if you don't need one connection to occur via another then make them all internet
hope that helps

Okay, a bit more braindumping to understand the differences between "Work" and "The Internet" courtesy of ActiveSync Help..
ActiveSync > File > Connection Settings
This computer is connected to: Auto/Work/The Internet
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Use ActiveSync to "pass through" this computer. That means the connected device can use the computer's network connection as if it were its own. You can use this feature to perform tasks such as downloading non-Outlook e-mail messages, to connect directly with Exchange Server, or to browse the Internet.
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So, from that, I set the connection type to "The Internet" in ActiveSync, and I was able to browse the internet on my XDA.
I then set the connection type to "Work Network" in ActiveSync and was *not* able to use the internet.
What does it all mean ?
Well, at the moment all I can think of is that if don't set it to "The Internet", you er, don't get Internet access. :roll:
Applying that to the original question of which do I choose:
"Wireless Node 2" network connects me to:
O The Internet (or work via a VPN)
O Work
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I would holeheartedly recommend (if its a wireless network you've found whilst walking the streets) that you choose "The Internet" !!
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Functional Differences
I'm thinking/believing/speculating that the functional difference between the two is that the "Work" option is for connecting to local or internal IP's only, for instance anything on your 10.x.x IP range if that is the subnet you're on.
The "Internet" option allows any *external* IP address to be accessed, and no access to the local IP range. This would then require the VPN option to be used to access local/intranet resources. (This is the passthrough option as mentioned above in the ActiveSync help)
I'm literally typing as i'm testing, and so far it kinda makes more sense to me now.. kinda.

Getting online with WiFi

I am having trouble getting online with WiFi. Under Connections I am using MediaNET, and I unchecked the proxy option, but it is still connecting through Cingular GPRS. Is there anything else I need to do to get Wifi to work correctly?

Go to the advanced tab in settings - connections.
Select "select networks" and replace "My ISP" by "My work network".
This way it will always connect via Wifi.
Cheers,
Drifter

connecting to secure networks
thanks!
i can connect to public networks, but how about my secure network at home? I can't seem to connect to it for some reason...where do I enter the WEP key etc (if i have to)?

Using WiFi - Since you referenced Media Net, I am assuming you have the Cingular ROM. Upgrade it.
Then wifi works a heck of a lot better. I got it to work once or twice with the Cingular ROM, but it was endless playing with settings til it worked - and it was still slow. With the iMate rom, you just disable the proxy and switch connections and it works perfectly every time.
Plus, the performance increase you get warrants the ROM upgrade.

ROM
where can i DL the new ROM?

WiFi connects but fails on "Locate"

Hi,
I've just got a T-Mobile Vario. It connects fine on GPRS and PIE navigates to web pages.
I then try to connect to a free WiFi hotspot (I have no home wifi network to test on).
It *connects* fine. However, when I try to navigate to a web page it hangs on the "Locate" message, then times out.
I have searched the forum and read similar problems but with home networks not public hotspots- for example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=46118
I tried the solutions suggested there but with no luck. Has anyone had similar problems?
I *really* need to get WiFi working (by the end of the weekend hopefully) as thats what I got the device for in the first place.
I am a WiFi virgin so any pointers will help.
ipl 1.06
spl 1.06
gsm 1.12.10
os 1.6.2.4
protocol version 4.0.13.23
ExtROM 1.6.2.105

Cingular 8125 WiFi fails
I have the same results. My router assigns my device an IP address with WiFi on, but I get the message "...the connection was lost." whenever I try to surf internet. If anyone understands how to set it up, we'd appreciate instruction that works (I'd like a Cingular user if possible) but I would also like to learn what the settings mean. Anyone have a link to network setup information? I have a WiFi network in my home which works for my wife's laptop and my old PDA. This 8125 is bugging me.

working now...
OK, as soon as I posted and went back to the PDA the WiFi connection now works - gremlins again... I didn't change anything or even soft reset - it just connected. I wonder if it was because the GPRS connection ended... I'll try turning off my automatic e-mail checking and post again. BTW, I am using the suggestion of the first Network being "work - no proxy" and the second being "MediaNet - proxy"

Your problem doesn't seem the same as mine.
I have no home network.
My vario, on a public hotspot, always "connects" but always fails on "locate".

you need to make sure the connection is not using a proxy server.
go into settings
connections
then manage existing connections
untick the checkbox on the proxy settings tab that says this connection uses a proxy (or words to that effect)
now you should be able to connect to the network as long as their is no security in place to stop you.
good luck
R

Hi,
I have no "manage existing connections"
under settings->connections.
I go into connections which gives <tasks> and <Advanced> tabs
Under Advanced> I have <select networks>
This screen "Network Management" has two drop downs
1 states "Programs that automatically connect to the internet should connect using"
"T-Mobile Internet" is selected
If I edit and look at proxy settings it has:
"This network connects to the internet" ticked
the proxy server box is empty
If I edit the modem tab it has Cellular Line (GPRS) selected
Dropdown 2 has
Programs that automatically connect to a private network should connect using:
the dropdown is filled with "My Work Network"
By default the "connects to the internet" box is empty. I have filled this in previously with no luck.
Modem is empty as are all the other entries.
I have swapped the order of the dropdowns, I have made both "My Work network" and both "T-Mobile Internet" with no luck.
I have tried the suggestions on the thread I referenced above - again with no luck.
To repeat I can get the "connection" up. When I select the network it states connection is "good" yet when I try to surf to a page it craps out on the "Locate" message.
Is it failing to find a DNS server on the wifi link?
I'm just guessing as I know v little about WiFi as I have never used it before
TIA for any further contributions

I just wanted to say I have this same problem and have not been able to solve it yet. I can't tell whether to use GPRS while using Internet, or whether I should have the connection set to "Work" or "Internet" or what.
I have tried with 3 unprotected wireless networks already and have gotten the same results with each. I suspect it may be due to DNS. Hopefully it is not the phone itself.

Hi mat,
Well it can't be that you *must* use GPRS whilst surfing - thats what WIFI is for!
I suspect (no real evidence)T-Mobile have somehow crippled the OS to make it difficult to work out how to get free hotspot access working properly. Looking at their site they say CS do not "support" WIFI access problems - how convenient!!!!!
Although I am a WIFI virgin/idiot, I am not a *total* idiot and would have been able to get it working if it was completely straightforward.
To add ammunition to this opinion, I do not have a T-Zone account (I should have but it hasn't been set up correctly). Anyway I tried to connect though a t-zone and it worked straightaway presenting me with the login page. I could also download data - the terms and conditions.
However, obviously I couldn't surf to totally check it out as I couldn't login.
I wish someone would provide a definitive solution as it is really irritating me now!!!!!
Why would it be hanging on "locate"? I imagine it must be because it cannot look up the IP address through the free WIFI link. I made the same suggestion as you did earlier something to do with the DNS setup.
Thats as far as I can get!!!!!