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Should I buy One?

Hello all, I am very sorry if the answers to these questions are posted else where but I just could not find them.
I am looking to upgrade my XDA II and this has caught my eye. Im trying to get it on Orange, so first does anyone know a release date for Orange?
Secondly I like this and especially the WiFi capability, internet access is very important for me. How good is the WiFi capability?
Probably lastly can I answer the phone without opening it all up, I would much prefer to be able to press a button and answer like I can with the XDA, the idea of opening, looking who is calling and answering with the whole lot open or closing and ignoring is a put off really.
So can anybody help, or can people recommend this device or would they suggest I go for a different device.
Many Thanks
James

If you are heavy Phone user then you wont be happy with JJ ....
1st its PDA and then comes Phone functions with it...
As everyone agreed in here, Phone users are not yet comfortable with it...
Another honest opinion about it is... TOO COSTLY FOR NOTHING.... so if u can wait for a while.

Not true!!!
It is very good for making calls too. Use a BT headset with caller ID like the Jabra BT800 or the SonyEricsson HBH-660/662 and you wont even touch your phone to make or receive calls. BT voice dial is simply fantastic.
As a PDA, its absolutely FAB!!!
Cost factor, i agree. It is tad expensive

Thanks for the repliies, I am not to worried about the cost, Orange reckon due to my history with them it could well be free.
It just worries me that it has to be opened before you can see who is calling, it is a shame there wasnt a button to answer or dial on the front.
Also these caller ID headsets, how do they work? do they just say the number to you or am I getting the totally wrong end of the stick?
Also any ideas on price of these headsets?

I have the i-mate JasJar version of the Universal, and I am very very very impressed with it. It's a very well rounded device, and sure, there are a few quirks, but they are very minor in my opinion.
You can definitely answer and hang up the phone without opening it. There are two buttons on the side for answer and hang up, so you don't actually need to open the phone to answer. Also, if you use an application like voice command, your phone will tell you who is calling.
I use the wifi at home and I don't have any problems with it. I do wish they would have put in 802.11g, but hey, it's only for internet, so you don't really need that kind of speed just yet.
As for the bluetooth headsets, some of them support the caller ID feature via a little screen on the headset. I have heard different people say that their headset displays only the number, but others have said they display name too. I think the Jabra BT 800 is one that displays only the number with the JasJar, and I think I have heard that the SonyEricsson headsets display the name too. I am not 100% sure though.

Headsets
Can you clarify whether or not you can voice dial from a bluetooth headset WITHOUT first opening up the phone. I have seen some people say yes to this questions, and others say no.
I am happy from what I have read so far that you can ANSWER a call via bluetooth headset without opening up the EXEC, but what I really need to know is about MAKING a call via the bluetooth headset without opening the EXEC.
Thanks in advance
Mike

Universal BT headset survey

Please list what BT headset do you use with your Universal and the Pros and Cons. I'm in the market looking for the best BT headset for the Universal so I'll need as many feedbacks as possible, thanks all

As if you'd need warning, but I would (on the whole) advise against going for a cheapy clip-on one. I bought one a while ago on the basis that (a) it was cheap and (b) I didn't want to strap a 2.4GHz mini-microwave oven to my head :lol:
It works ok, but is just about fiddly enough to make me stay with a wired setup or speakerphone.
From what I've read in other posts, there isn't yet a bt headset that integrates with the ppc well enough to show the name of the caller. I think that until that one's resolved I'll be holding fire anyway.
[OK, I know it's not a particularly helpful addition to the thread, but at least it bumps it, right ]

Sony Ericsson HBH-660
+ Small
+ Light
+ Cool display
- Display only displays number with HTC devices
- Battery life poor
Jabra BT800
+ Battery last for ages
+ Really big display
- Takes ages to pick up a call
- Display only shows number with HTC devices
- Big

Hi,
I hope you people can help.
I looking for a Bluetooth headset thats got a a little display.
Hopefully this will display information like time, person calling, and possible scroll through contacts.
Due to the size of the Exec, I would like to store this in a backpack when out and about. And a smartheadset would really help.

Jabra BT800
Long battery life
Quick recharge
Reliable
Light
I never look at the display, other than to see the charge status.

din007 said:
Hi,
I hope you people can help.
I looking for a Bluetooth headset thats got a a little display.
Hopefully this will display information like time, person calling, and possible scroll through contacts.
Due to the size of the Exec, I would like to store this in a backpack when out and about. And a smartheadset would really help.
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BT headsets with displays don't display anything other than the caller number when used with HTC devices such as the Universal. Not sure why.

Smartphones need Smartheadsets..
Its just the XDA Exec is to big to carry in your jacket pocket.
And you need to open it everytime you need to call someon.
Living in london you get some looks on the underground.
And majority of all streetcrime involves mobile crime.
I`ve been toying with the of idea of a Mini-XDA Exec....
A device that small enough to fit into your pocket.
Snycs between the headset & XDA Exec.
With a display for Caller ID, Contacts, SMS...(Basic phone functions)
This would be a top seller..

I agree this would cost but would be perfect.
No more fearing getting mugged at the station.
No more being a flash git in the pub.
No more carring a brick in your pocket.
HTC should consider designing accessories.

Both the SE HBH-608 and Jabra Bt800 workl well. The battery life on the HBH-608 is just fantastic. I get about 8 days of use from it (it is on 10 hours a day). Ear piece volume is low on both models when used with the JJ. Need to test my HBH-300 and Jabra BT330.
Edit: @rilot, for caller ID to work you need a particular BT profile, the Se P910i does support the profile, which I think is the "hand free profile"

SE HBH 662
Just got my SE HBH 662. It's small, lightweight, seems comfortable. So far sound quality seems good on both ends.
I'm new to this headset business, so I'm not the best one to offer comparisons. I bought this model based on remarks on this and other forums, and so far my impression is that I have definitely benefited from the collective wisdom of great online communities like this one.
Thanks All.

I tried with Motorola HS850 and Jabra BT 250V.. Dont think they are made for jasjar... I know both of them doesnt have Display, was hoping to good sound quality.... But I was not lucky enough.

SE HBH-300
10 hours talk time, 300 hours standy.
Sound quality on an 02 XDA Exec is okay but not as good as with an SE P910i. The XDA's bluetooth suffers from static background noise.

jah said:
Edit: @rilot, for caller ID to work you need a particular BT profile, the Se P910i does support the profile, which I think is the "hand free profile"
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This is correct.
HTC state that their devices do have a handsfee profile. No idea why they can't pass the caller ID to the headset though.

Jabra BT 800 is OK with me.
*Long battery life.
*Discharging in short time.
*Big display screen.
*Big, but light.
*Easy to use.
*Can make calls from the Head Set for the last 10 Nos. without needing to open the phone.
*Reliable.
I was using sony erricson before buying the Jabra, but Jabra is far better than sony erricson........sony erricson battery dies in a couple of hours standby.
Regards,

I did try my hbh-660 just to see if it would work but shortly after changed over to my preferred bluespoon AX which works fine with the voice dialling etc. no issues there for me

rilot said:
jah said:
Edit: @rilot, for caller ID to work you need a particular BT profile, the Se P910i does support the profile, which I think is the "hand free profile"
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This is correct.
HTC state that their devices do have a handsfee profile. No idea why they can't pass the caller ID to the headset though.
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Guys, the phone number is the exact caller ID you're after. It is working as advertised. However, what you want is the _name_ behind the caller ID. Not sure if this is specified in the bluetooth specs, though...

problem with Jabra bt800
Has anybody experienced a crap sound with Jabra?
I can hear pretty well, but the person on the other side complains a "drummy" sound.
I tried deleting the pairing and restoring it, same results.
Any thought?
:shock:

I use the HBH-662, very comfortable, shows the number, has improved the voice quality 10 fold and sounds alot better than using the phone itself, dont use my phone without it anymore regardless of where i am.

This is strange. My SE HBH-662 (BT 1.2) works perfectly with my Jam and shows the caller-id as long as the number exists in the Outlook AB. IT doesn't show the number then, just the name. In the absence of a name, it will show the number only.

stamppot said:
rilot said:
jah said:
Edit: @rilot, for caller ID to work you need a particular BT profile, the Se P910i does support the profile, which I think is the "hand free profile"
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This is correct.
HTC state that their devices do have a handsfee profile. No idea why they can't pass the caller ID to the headset though.
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Guys, the phone number is the exact caller ID you're after. It is working as advertised. However, what you want is the _name_ behind the caller ID. Not sure if this is specified in the bluetooth specs, though...
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No it isn't
They both display the caller name when used with my SE P910i

Using a BT mobile as a handset for the JasJar

I really don't like the BT headsets yet, still prefer holding a mobile to my ear but the Jasjar is a little big to use with comfort as a phone.
Has anyone thought about using one of these tiny mobiles with BT as a handset paired to the Jasjar? Can this be done.
I would like to holster or belt my jasjar and just drop a normal moby into my pocket???
Also anyone made a bluetooth handset instead of headset, like a mobile but just works as a BT handset?
Regards

I doubt it could be done with handsets at present as the bluetooth specification requires services to be available and for headsets, this is the handsfree/headset profile.
Current handsets look for this to be available on devices to allow audio to go to them, however the current handsets will probably only offer network access, dialup networking, file transfer and possibly a serial port to the jasjar
Interesting concept though, having a handset as a bluetooth headset and something I'd probably be quite interested in seeing developed myself!

er..this sound very odd to me - but then again I only use my Exec as a PDA at the moment.
Anyway, have a look at this as an option (I have ordered one but I know the Universal does not support all the functions yet): http://www.tekkeon.com/site/products-ez3000-specs.php
With the SE P910 you can load the Contacts database onto the headset!

I've just bought an O2 XDA Exec and has exactly the same thought, but could not get it to work.
It depends on the bluetooth "profiles" supported by the mini-handset. I tried it with my previous Sony Ericsson phone (can't remember the model number, but it's about 2 yrs old) and I could only use the handset as a modem (i.e. not much use). You might have better luck with newer handsets, but I would not rely on any mobile phone shop being able to tell you which incoming profiles the handset supports.
Note that there are likely to be problems with caller-display on the handset as the exec only appears to send the incoming number (not the contact name) to the BT device.
If you're set on this approach, I would suggest trying it on any handset you propose using. I can't see that it's worth spending money on this solution though - you may be better off with a phone and a separate PDA.
In order to get a small handset for day to day phone use, I ended up (yesterday) buying a Sony Ericsson HBH660 headset for £50. It has a small caller number display and the voice recognition system (on the exec) seems to work well for making regular calls. I keep it in my pocket and put the exec in my coat/jacket.
Good luck

jah said:
er..this sound very odd to me - but then again I only use my Exec as a PDA at the moment.
Anyway, have a look at this as an option (I have ordered one but I know the Universal does not support all the functions yet): http://www.tekkeon.com/site/products-ez3000-specs.php
With the SE P910 you can load the Contacts database onto the headset!
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That looks right funky! Where did you buy it from?

@hollinshead
I contacted the ebay seller for this: http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Tekkeon-Dig...ryZ15040QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I paid via PayPal. Should get delivery today or Monday next week.
Or you can buy it from Tekkeon's own online store at their web site (but becareful with import duty etc).

Thanks, I think I'll wait for some UK sellers to get some, and stick to my BT800 for now.

Hi
I badgered some headset manufacturers last year to make the following:
Bluetooth device with handsfree profile (client), included within a *tiny* mobile phone case together with a screen and a keypad, as well as the usual bluetooth headset electronics.
Make it tiny, and trendy - perhaps from brushed aluminium and I reckon such a device would do well. It would have more room inside than a mobile phone case so the battery could be large, and offer perhaps a month of use between charges. It should also charge directly via Mini USB socket and not require any docking stations etc which need lugging about.
Would anyone else here buy such a device, if it were priced at premium headset prices? £50-60 perhaps?
I want it cause holding a universal to your ear causes arm ache! and using a traditional bluetooth headset in a shopping centre make you look like a nob!
Does the headset 1.2 handsfree profile even support a bluetooth headset device with a keyboard?
Nigel

veletron said:
Hi
I badgered some headset manufacturers last year to make the following:
Bluetooth device with handsfree profile (client), included within a *tiny* mobile phone case together with a screen and a keypad, as well as the usual bluetooth headset electronics.
Make it tiny, and trendy - perhaps from brushed aluminium and I reckon such a device would do well. It would have more room inside than a mobile phone case so the battery could be large, and offer perhaps a month of use between charges. It should also charge directly via Mini USB socket and not require any docking stations etc which need lugging about.
Would anyone else here buy such a device, if it were priced at premium headset prices? £50-60 perhaps?
I want it cause holding a universal to your ear causes arm ache! and using a traditional bluetooth headset in a shopping centre make you look like a nob!
Does the headset 1.2 handsfree profile even support a bluetooth headset device with a keyboard?
Nigel
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I will buy one no doubt!!
Let me know if you find it somewhere.
The max price should be 50£ = 80€

I am supprised there isn't such a device already, a blue tooth handset for skype VoIP is whats required and is probably in the pipeline already, but yes I would buy one.

I am supprised there isn't such a device already, a blue tooth handset for skype VoIP is whats required and is probably in the pipeline already, but yes I would buy one.

Well, I had a reply from Jabra saying that they passed email onto their product development lot.
Prob going to require more than one email tho, so badger away.
No reply from the others as yet.
Nigel

ANYCOM Blue Stereo Headset BSH-100 as a possible solution???
ANYCOM Blue Stereo Headset BSH-100
These Bluetooth-enabled stereo headphones are small, lightweight, and fold up for portability. They include a microphone and can be used as a headset for Bluetooth-enabled Windows Mobile Smartphones and Pocket PC Phone Edition devices. In addition, the headset supports the new High-Quality Stereo BT (A2DP) profile, which is built into the new Windows Mobile 5.0 software. The small, rechargeable battery in the headset powers it for up to 7 hours of continuous use and gives it a standby time of up to 200 hours. The headset weighs a mere 2.7 ounces (76 grams) including battery.
More information is available on the Anycom Web site (http://www.anycom.com). You can pre-order the device for $93.95 from the Expansys Web site (http://www.expansys.com).
Stereo wireless Bluetooth headphones that fold and fit into your pocket!

Bluetooth Headset recommendation?

Now i have finally got a working ATHENA (after over a month!)
I realise that as a phone its pretty Enormous to put it mildly.
Can someone recommend me a bluetooth headset that works well with it, i was thinking of the LG Style i but it is not on sale in the uk (like a mini phone)
cheers

Yet again - Please Search
spacecat said:
Now i have finally got a working ATHENA (after over a month!)
I realise that as a phone its pretty Enormous to put it mildly.
Can someone recommend me a bluetooth headset that works well with it, i was thinking of the LG Style i but it is not on sale in the uk (like a mini phone)
cheers
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If you actually search this forum and other forums (eg the General forum) you will find numerous reviews / comparisons of bluetooth headsets. Please don't lets start yet another thread on the same thing.
For what it's worth (and as I've made clear in other threads in answer to similar questions) I favour the Jabra BT8010.

spacecat said:
Now i have finally got a working ATHENA (after over a month!)
I realise that as a phone its pretty Enormous to put it mildly.
Can someone recommend me a bluetooth headset that works well with it, i was thinking of the LG Style i but it is not on sale in the uk (like a mini phone)
cheers
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Highly recommended, Jabra BT8010 (combined with Jetware for Caller ID that can show names instead of number). The second choice would be i.Tech Clip D.

I have the 8010, but do like the look of the Style-i from LG - and the fact it has keys to dial with. The problem with the 8010 is that if it isn't a number you've already entered into its phone book, you can't dial the number. No surprise there and still more useful than most other headsets, which is why I bought it together with the vibrate and bt stereo. But I would like to limit how often I bring the phone out of my pocket - particularly at weekends or when walking about.
The only thing is, other than ordering through the US, I can't find anywhere that stocks the Style-i.
Hmph
Ant

Anton.Valleyman said:
I have the 8010, but do like the look of the Style-i from LG - and the fact it has keys to dial with. The problem with the 8010 is that if it isn't a number you've already entered into its phone book, you can't dial the number. No surprise there and still more useful than most other headsets, which is why I bought it together with the vibrate and bt stereo. But I would like to limit how often I bring the phone out of my pocket - particularly at weekends or when walking about.
The only thing is, other than ordering through the US, I can't find anywhere that stocks the Style-i.
Hmph
Ant
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May be you can try to use voice dial for dialing numbers.

My Style-I will be going on eBay as soon as my Jawbone arrives.... I'll post a note here to say it's available.

Pantaloonie said:
My Style-I will be going on eBay as soon as my Jawbone arrives.... I'll post a note here to say it's available.
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Welcome to Jawbone. I hope you ordered the jabra eargel (discussed already in the athena forum) so you can have a perfect fit. You may need to twist the earloop a bit as "all ears are not equal". And remember to let it rest on your JAW and not on your CHEEK

BlueAnt V12 -- vibrate is really helpful, shows number received on lcd (no names though), great range. plus a nice price for the feature set...

Recommendations for X7501 BT Headset

I'm going to be getting my HTC X7501 Advantage from Amazon in about two weeks and wanted to know from current owners what bluetooth headsets you'd recommend.
I understand that this phone doesn't have a vibrate mode. Should I get a BT headset that vibrates? How about a display? What other factors are important? I've never owned a headset, BT or otherwise, so I'm new to all of this.
If you have any specific headsets that work well with the HTC X7500/X7501 Advantage, please post.
Thank you.

A lot of them here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=4010633

whoster69 said:
I'm going to be getting my HTC X7501 Advantage from Amazon in about two weeks and wanted to know from current owners what bluetooth headsets you'd recommend.
I understand that this phone doesn't have a vibrate mode. Should I get a BT headset that vibrates? How about a display? What other factors are important? I've never owned a headset, BT or otherwise, so I'm new to all of this.
If you have any specific headsets that work well with the HTC X7500/X7501 Advantage, please post.
Thank you.
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Jabra BT8010 is very highly recommended. It has Caller ID (showing contact names when used with Jetware) and also vibrate. Second choise would be i.Tech Clip D with the same Caller ID feature, but not vibrate.

victoradjei said:
A lot of them here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=4010633
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Wow, I didn't know you could search that way! On forums and subforums with keywords! Thanks victoradjei!
I've performed searches and read a bunch but thought I'd ask here as well, in case someone mentions something that I've missed.
Thank you too coyotte! I've seen a lot of people recommend the Jabra BT 8010. I've often wondered how useful the caller ID would be when this thing is stuck in my ear right? Or is it that people have this out when they get a call (I guess that makes more sense since people don't want to wear it all the time LOL!). How do people carry this along with their phone so they can get feel the vibrate and see the caller ID?
Thanks again both of you!

Aliph Jawbone FTW. Sound quality is more important to me than displays or vibration.

whoster69, I don't know if you've already seen this, but I came across this link to a demo of the Jabra BT8010 and it looks interesting:
http://www.ultramobilegeek.com/2007/06/jabra-bt8010-review-great-umpc-toy.html
I too have an HTC X7501 on order from Amazon (shipping est. 2-3 wks.) and was also wondering how I was to use its phone capabilities. I'm a total newb to all matters pc phone-related so I may be in left field here, but I think I'll be able to: 1) buy a BT headset w/ callerID & vibration functions, 2) keep headset in my shirt pocket or another readily accessible place, 3) be alerted to calls via the X7501's ringer function, 4) field calls by pulling the headset and checking the callerID on the headset's LED screen, and 5) answering the call by popping the headset in my ear and talking away or refusing the call by some other such means (I suppose you can push a button on the headset to have the call go directly to voice mail.) Anyway, just a newbie thinking out loud but, hopefully, posting a link to some info someone may find useful.

Jefson said:
whoster69, I don't know if you've already seen this, but I came across this link to a demo of the Jabra BT8010 and it looks interesting:
http://www.ultramobilegeek.com/2007/06/jabra-bt8010-review-great-umpc-toy.html
I too have an HTC X7501 on order from Amazon (shipping est. 2-3 wks.) and was also wondering how I was to use its phone capabilities. I'm a total newb to all matters pc phone-related so I may be in left field here, but I think I'll be able to: 1) buy a BT headset w/ callerID & vibration functions, 2) keep headset in my shirt pocket or another readily accessible place, 3) be alerted to calls via the X7501's ringer function, 4) field calls by pulling the headset and checking the callerID on the headset's LED screen, and 5) answering the call by popping the headset in my ear and talking away or refusing the call by some other such means (I suppose you can push a button on the headset to have the call go directly to voice mail.) Anyway, just a newbie thinking out loud but, hopefully, posting a link to some info someone may find useful.
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Thanks for the link Jefson. Yes I had seen that. I thought it was pretty useful. So far at least, I'm leaning toward the Jabra BT8010. While there seem to be headsets out there that have better clarity or noise cancellation (Jawbone) and others that have many of the functions BT8010 (BlueAnt V12), none seem to have the completeness of the feature set of the Jabra BT8010.
Have there been any people who have tried the Jabra BT8010 and didn't like it? If so, why didn't you like it? I know it's kind of big and a few have complained that it's not perfect for listening to music (something about the range not being enough). I'd be curious to see what people who have used it think of it and how practical it is to use with the HTC Advantage.
Regarding how you want to use it Jefson, I agree. I've never used a headset at all and I'm trying to figure out, ergonomically what will work. If I get a call, will it ring on the headset, the phone or both? Is it reasonable to expect that I can whip out the headset and see who is calling and then decide to take the call or not? And if I do take it can I get it put on in a reasonable amount of time to answer the call?
Anyone with some experiences with the HTC Advantage/Athena please post and let us know how this works and if our ideas are reasonable or not.
Thanks again everyone for your comments. They are helpful!

You might want to check the BlueAnt V12. Vibrate, LCD caller id (numbers only), works well with VC1.6. Good price. I like mine.1

wgary said:
You might want to check the BlueAnt V12. Vibrate, LCD caller id (numbers only), works well with VC1.6. Good price. I like mine.1
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Thanks Gary. It's one I'm looking into.
What is VC1.6?

I may be jumping the gun a bit, but I just ordered both the Jabra BT8010 and the BlueAnt V12 from Amazon and they are slated to arrive August 1st. I'm going to see how easy and convenient (for me, at least) they are to use and which one I prefer with my AT&T 8525 (UTC Hermes). I'm assuming the experience will carry over, at least to some extent, to the X7501. Anyway, in the near term I may be able to answer, remembering my newbie status, some basic questions regarding use of the two devices.

whoster69 said:
Thanks Gary. It's one I'm looking into.
What is VC1.6?
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Microsoft VoiceCommand 1.6

Jefson said:
I may be jumping the gun a bit, but I just ordered both the Jabra BT8010 and the BlueAnt V12 from Amazon and they are slated to arrive August 1st. I'm going to see how easy and convenient (for me, at least) they are to use and which one I prefer with my AT&T 8525 (UTC Hermes). I'm assuming the experience will carry over, at least to some extent, to the X7501. Anyway, in the near term I may be able to answer, remembering my newbie status, some basic questions regarding use of the two devices.
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Excellent Jefson! I was thinking of doing the same thing! My X7501 will be shipping any day now so I'm hoping I'll get to test it with them fairly soon (though I don't have a cell plan yet -I plan on testing the PDA stuff first and deciding on whether or not to keep the phone before committing to a cell plan). I'm looking forward to hearing your results Jefson!

Anyone know of any headsets that are going to be coming out in the near future that are worth considering?

Great info here about the Jabra BT8010, can anyone compare to the Jawbone
in terms of call quality?
Like the Athena, the Jabra's convergence features seal the deal.
Unless there is another headset out there that has a display, and vibrate mode with stereo bt, it is in a class by itself.
If some other model comes out, I would like an internal earbud.
Keith Walker

keithwwalker said:
in terms of call quality?
Like the Athena, the Jabra's convergence features seal the deal.
Unless there is another headset out there that has a display, and vibrate mode with stereo bt, it is in a class by itself.
If some other model comes out, I would like an internal earbud.
Keith Walker
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I agree Keith. I just thought I'd ask. Yesterday I heard about the Jabra BT8040, but it doesn't have the features of the 8010 it seems. Too early to tell for sure though.