Howdy, everyone. I'm a lucky (lucky?) owner of Wizard and I hate it with WM5. I had HP iPAQ2210 once with WM2003 and it was perfect. So, is it possible to mount somehow WM2003 on Wizard? Or maybe some UNIX system, it would be better. Thanx
P.S. Oh yeah, is it okay, that Wizard has 198MHz processor, even though the models earlier (for example XDA2) has 400MHz? I think this is some kind of bull... Oh, sorry.
Question 1: Then why did you buy it ?
Question 2: Have you tried the search? There's a couple of people trying to get 2k3 or 2k3 SE on it
Question 3: Have you tried the search? There's several threads about the CPU of the Wizard being: A. slow, unusable, ****, blabla B. energy-efficient, powerful enough, excellent for performing two tasks; depending on who's writing and what they want to do with their device
OK, I'll not abuse you anymore.
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FYI, the processors are completely different and speed doesn't matter all that much anymore. Hasn't in a while, in fact. You know, the same way AMD chips run better than faster intel chips. And it leads to better battery life. AND did you know, if you really want a phone with linux on it, some carriers sell them. So if it really matters all that much, go get one. You're not going to get very far showing up on this site and just *****ing because you're bored.
Yeah, in fact the HTC Apache (the CDMA version of the Wizard) is a 416 mhz device using the Intel PXA270 processor. Recently, I had a chance to do a side-by-side comparison between a Verizon 6700 and my 5125. I was expecting the thing to be a pocket rocket for sure but imagine my surprise when if found that while generally playing around, menus and programs came up no faster; in fact when I had mine clocked to 260mhz it was noticably faster.
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Hi guys I hope im just confusing myself! While reading some reviews I came across the tool spb benchmark, and thought il give it a try.
I received my xda exec today iv not installed any other 3rd party software that could cause problems
my Blueangel M2000: I have formatted it and reinstalled windows 2003 (Original ROM from orange)
IV attached a screen shot of the results table
the results are confusing the hellouta me, acording to the site(from my understanding) the higher the result the better the device has preformed- can som one just put my fears to rest please
Can anyone else substantiate this????
If this is the case I'd certainly like to know how, why what rom versions were involved, whether or not hardware used in both devices can be verified as the same hardware...
Who benchmarked the 2 devices?????
Can Anyone shed any light on this????????
The comparison is extremely unfair. If you put 8GB of RAM inside your PC, made a RAMDrive, and installed Windows XP into that, it would be far faster than if XP was installed on a hard disk. But you would lose ALL your data if the power source got interrupted.
That analogy is the same when comparing WM5 devices to WM2003SE devices. WM2003SE is installed into RAM, WM5 is installed into flash (persistent storage). Flash storage is a lot slower than RAM, but it uses a LOT less battery power than RAM, and you lose nothing if the battery dies. This is clearly a far more sensible and superior way of doing things, but at the expense of some speed.
I know which I'd rather have - more battery life and built-in NAND flash storage every time.
'disk' i/o is going to be worse because of the persistant storage. Writing to flash is much slower than to RAM.
Can't understand why the cpu rated much worse though.
Could this be partly because the Exec does NOT have a dedicated ATI chipset for GFX, hence the CPU is always worrying about the display.
Obviously a completely similar machine with ATI graphics chip would be quicker, so i expect that makes a difference even when you think all the apps are closed.
This seems to be the case, just received my exec and in comparison to my xda IIi it does seem a lot more sluggish. Even web browsing using both gprs & 3g is slower.
Is this a common issue or rom specifc?
I just ran XRick, MAN ITS SLOW!!!
I could play smooth realtime on my Himalaya (XDAII) but now? Damn, I cant play it at all. its painfull.....
Going to try Pocket Hack Master to see if that fixes it.
Damn this thing is slow.
hi everybody.
i am thinking about to buy a htc wizard (qtek 9100).
i now noticed that the qtek s110 has 416mhz, but the 9100 only 200.
is there a big difference between the two, or is the 200mhz processor as fast as the one with 416?
thx
the Wizard has a differend type of processor than the s110. Its kind of like Intel vs AMD. The mhz doesn't mean it is slower.
I think the wizard is slightly quicker then the intel one but what slows it down is lack of programs using the texas instruments processor extensions and the
non persistant program memory which slows the program loading times quite a lot.
but u get more use out of your batt as it doesnt reserve 30% batt life for ram.
Does the universal lose everything if the battery goes to 0% ? I thought the wizard and the universal were both the same in that they retained their status even on no power ?
knowsleyroader: you are correct. They use persistent memory that will be retained without power. They're slower as a result, but the benefit is what is considered a marginal battery life improvement.
All should read this:
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/17/494177.aspx
Wizard is generally considered fine for cpu power. I've never used it, but most seem to say it's fine on everything except Skype (which some have found ok). Since you can't get another device with WM5 of the Magician's size (I think), the Wizard is pretty much your only choice right now.
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Pocket Quake runs at a respectable 8.5fps (default settings), and 14.5 (optiomized settings, no sound). I have the Spb Benchmarks (overview below) if you want them.
I find the device slow, but it is not the processor that really slows it down, it is the IO.
On the keeps memory on power-off. I have read reports of the battery needing some fiddling inorder to recharge the battery if you let it run flat.
Spb Benchmark index 232.4 (iPAQ 3650 scored 1000)
CPU index 927.45 (iPAQ 3650 scored 1000)
File system index 94.72 (iPAQ 3650 scored 1000)
Graphics index 2862.38 (iPAQ 3650 scored 1000)
Platform index 273.92 (iPAQ 3650 scored 1000)
intel vs AMD. The mhz doesn't mean it is slower
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speed is everything my friend
well i had a xda2 mini s had it not even a week and took it back to the o2 shop . and told the guy that the phone is far to slow for what i use it for . so i changed it for a xda2i . and now i am very happy with it never crashes and does not hang up while changing screens like the mini .
intel (r) pxa275
speed 520mhz
128mb ram
thats the speed of my 2i . in my eyes the mini is a phone and just a phone . it cant handle being a pda also . it just dont have the power . and as for the slide out keypad what a joke . my one was starting to get slack in no time . i just could not imagine how this phone would look 6 months down the line of day to day use . be smart and get something that works . ok it looks good but its slooooow
my 0.002 pence worth
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intel vs AMD. The mhz doesn't mean it is slower
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Speed may well be to you, personally i find the functionality more important, but the MHz quote says that processor speed doesn't mean the device operation is slower. it uses a different architecture so the clock speed doesn't need to be as high for the same output (CPS would be a better measure of cpu performance IMO then all processors would be on the same scoresheet regardless of technology or clockspeed)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/posting.php?mode=reply&t
Sorry to drag this off topic a little, but I was reading the XDA-developer encylopedia, which gives claims duel core. Is it? And does duel core in the mobile world mean the same as in the desktop?
Thanks, Mike
Having owned quite a number of Pocket PCs and Windows Mobile devices over the years I have come across this sort of conversation a number of times.
The real point from my experience is that QVGA devices such as the Wizard / Mini S do not need the speed of say a VGA device such as the Exec / HP hx4705. Speed is needed on VGA devices due to the quantity of pixels that need to be updated on the screen. My HP 2210 QVGA device was quicker in a number of ways than my hx4705 and there latter machine was quoted to have more than a 50% speed increase.
I do notice my Wizard slow a little using PocketInformant when I need to filter or search. That to me looks like processor speed. But for that I get a good battery life while using the phone side quite a bit each day (it's a work sim card in there, fully paid for). My Exec however is quicker at data sorting, filtering etc. but relatively slow to update the screen, rotate the screen etc. Exactly the same as my hx4705, also VGA running the last version of Windows Mobile.
I have no reservation in suggesting the Wizard to people wanting to do a bit of everything. I haven't tried playing a film on it yet but I would expect that to be ok as long as the film is encoded to suite. But power users would likely look to either a more powerful solo device or have a second device to compliment it.
I was just lucky that O2 in the UK are offering such rediculous prices for both the Wizard and the Exec that I could get both.
acetuk said:
Wizard / Mini S do not need the speed of say a VGA device such as the
of everything. I haven't tried playing a film on it yet but I would expect that
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Except the magican (a model down, sports the same size screen) is 400MHz.
That's a very interesting point. But is it the same make of processor? I expect it was running a Xscale processor.
It might well be that HTC decided / realised that for a phone edition model with a small QVGA screen pure raw speed is not really needed. By moving to the TI processor they kept to about the same speed for most real world scenarios (loading programs, looking up contacts, making calls and so on) and then gained elsewhere (received good battery life etc).
All I can really say is that my wizard is faster in certain core areas of these devices (screen redrawing for example) but loses out on pure raw data processing. But as I said at the start of this I don't read the benchmarks. My wizard is a fraction of a second slower than my exec at loading PocketInformant which I can live with.
I think the wizard is positioned correctly after one week of using it. But then I never used the predecessor so I can't compare the two. Having come from one of the fastest non-phone devices on the market though I can't say I'm really noticing the slowness of these devices. Not out in the real world when I am using them.
Now, I just have to sell on my hx4705. And to say that must mean I am happy!
Thanks for the interesting conversation - I'm new here but already feel at home.
well, but I heard alot that the MDAcII with its TI CPU is too slow to open large documents and so is useless for bussiness and that seems to be a problem of the CPU-power!
I've been using a Blue Angel for the last year and actually think that the Wizard is faster for my own use, as a Phone first and PDA second the market that IMHO opinion the Wizard is actually aimed at.
I use SPB to close down apps properly that I use infrequently (word/Excel etc..) and just minimize apps that I use frequently such as Outlook/Phone and my Wizard flies. Even TomTom5 appears to run much faster than on Blue Angel with route replanning completing in the blink of an eye.
Fair enough if you are asking it to run intensive apps a 2i or universal will be faster but those devices are more PDA than Phone whereas the Wizard is the reverse.
For reference mine is an O2 UK supplied XDA Mini S branded device on standard O2 UK rom with all O2 active rubbish removed. Even the battery life beats my SE k750i mobile it has just replaced!
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I've been using a Blue Angel for the last year and actually think that the Wizard is faster for my own use, as a Phone first and PDA second the market that IMHO opinion the Wizard is actually aimed at.
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Ooh so I'm not alone!
Same here, especially for browsing heavy sites. The BA would take ages formatting the pages, the Wizard also takes time but less. Interface seems faster to me too (once apps loaded - loading time is dependent on the new memory architecture).
Browsing photos with Resco photo explorer is about the same.
The only point on where I can see big difference is video playback. I haven't been able to play a single video without hangups yet, either by using the same ones than I had on the BA or by trying to reencode differently (using TCPMP). A video that would play at 125% on the BA runs maybe at 75-80%. That annoys me because I would like to use it to show videos to people as a demo, which obviously looks less serious if not smooth.
I wonder if that is TCPMP-related or OMAP-related...
BUT, battery life is great!!
Hey guys, i'm considering 'upgrading'(?) from an xda2i to the mini s, and i've noticed you talking about different programs running faster/slower on either device. Was wondering if you could give me a 'rule of thumb' as to which programs would have loss performance in the mini s compared the the 2i?
Thanks
kilrah said:
wilesd said:
I've been using a Blue Angel for the last year and actually think that the Wizard is faster for my own use, as a Phone first and PDA second the market that IMHO opinion the Wizard is actually aimed at.
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Same here, especially for browsing heavy sites. The BA would take ages formatting the pages, the Wizard also takes time but less. Interface seems faster to me too (once apps loaded - loading time is dependent on the new memory architecture).
Browsing photos with Resco photo explorer is about the same.
The only point on where I can see big difference is video playback. I haven't been able to play a single video without hangups yet, either by using the same ones than I had on the BA or by trying to reencode differently (using TCPMP). A video that would play at 125% on the BA runs maybe at 75-80%. That annoys me because I would like to use it to show videos to people as a demo, which obviously looks less serious if not smooth.
I wonder if that is TCPMP-related or OMAP-related...
BUT, battery life is great!!
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Similar experience here - my former PDA is a Dell X50V with a 624Mhz processor and PocketPC 2003SE, at times it's surprisingly sluggish. However, the wizard is more responsive - although I miss the VGA screen in general I prefer the Wizard for browsing.
My only complaint about the processor so far (I haven't tried gaming) is that it's not much good for playing back wmvs. I've not experimented much with it but this is an area where the X50V is very good - it can play highish bitrate WMVs no sweat. The Wizard seems to struggle, even with lower resolution and bitrate wmvs it stutters.
John
About this, how to overclock the wizard ... ??!!
musiccube said:
intel (r) pxa275
speed 520mhz
128mb ram
thats the speed of my 2i .....
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The Universal has all that too. But, guess what, the overall experience of that "flagship" is slower than the Wizard. Which goes to show, the CPU clock speed has b*gger all to do with how a device performs in the real world.
hello, I would like to change my ppc to the wizard. The problem is that I saw there is a different processor on the wizard : TI OMAP 850 200 Mhz. The magician has an Intel XScale Bulverde PXA272 416 MHz!!! Is it a big difference??? Is the wizard slower than the magician?Is it an important quality for the app? Thanks very much
Well, if you believe the benchmarks at the bottom of the wiki...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Wizard
...then yes, the Wizard sucks performance-wise.
On the other hand, most people who are using one haven't had all that many complaints. I guess try one in a store.
I've heard of some peopel that couldn't even cope with the wizard cuz of its processor.
For me this was a scare whether i should get one or not. But once you try it, its not that bad. Everyone has they're own needs for performance, so the best answer is don't believe what anyone says on these forums, just go grab one and use it for a bit and see if it suits you or not.
Hi There All!
Get back from a longer break, because my magician is in service.
My friend called me last day and offered a Wizard (T-mobile Vario) to me.
I have read that the Wizard has a slower processor, but it is a dual cored think or what....I heard it is like the processors in the laptop (ex.: centrino has 1.6 GHz but it is 2.x GHz.)
So all guys who have tried it, and magician too, please post the experiments.
I want to use it for/to:
- WiFi
- MP3 Playback
- Some video playback maybe
- Read E-books/ Adobe PDFs
- Play with some games (mainly high quality games such as Arvale, Everquest, Myst etc.)
- Take pictures/videos
So please post your opinions, about Wizard, and tells me which one of this will be slower, on Wizard.
Thanks, and Cheers
OK, so it's not dual core, hell no.
Well, OK, it is. But one core is for the radio stuff, and is not used in application processing.
It is a different /type/ of processor though, so it's not really fair to compare it to the X-scale in the magician (I think it's from Texas Instruments?). I hear it is a mite slower though, so I don't know.
Also: it has Windows Mobile 5, so you can get your A2DP on from any app, not just WMP.
Me, I'd go for it in a shot. Hell, if Orange UK did one I'd have one already, those odd kids.
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OK, so it's not dual core, hell no.
Well, OK, it is. But one core is for the radio stuff, and is not used in application processing.
It is a different /type/ of processor though, so it's not really fair to compare it to the X-scale in the magician (I think it's from Texas Instruments?). I hear it is a mite slower though, so I don't know.
Also: it has Windows Mobile 5, so you can get your A2DP on from any app, not just WMP.
Me, I'd go for it in a shot. Hell, if Orange UK did one I'd have one already, those odd kids.
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So you say OMAP is slower for multimedia (MP3, Video). And for the other ones?
Nope, I didn't. Though the wiki article on the Wizard certainly seems to suggest that.
I'd be interested to know how it fares with the sorts of files I view, and now that TCPMP is at 0.72 (the test were done with 0.50).
Certainly the implication is that it is not so hot for multi-tasking, which is a shame. My Magician seems to carry on almost as normal while I play music of various bitrates and codecs, if the Wizard did not then it would be a big minus.
Also: the Hermes has a 300Mhz Samsung chip, I wonder how it stacks up against these two? That thing certainly is looking like a dream phone right now.
The Omap 850 definately is slower than the XScale in the Magician. This is what many people state and what Benchmarks prove. Also the slow flash memory and WM5 makes a big difference. Don't expect the speed of a Magician with any of the HTC WM5 devices.
The Samsung CPU in the Hermes has about the performance as the XScale of the Magician.
Topic. I'm hoping it can.
anyone can answer to that questions?
Our current Rom maker, Chandra Shekhar, has previously stated that it was a real mission just to squeeze WM6.1 in. I can vouch for that.
If you are wanting WM7 on your Himalaya, I think you should be prepared to lose some applications from the device IE a slightly thinned down version of WM7.
I personally think that would be the only way of being able to do it.
I also suspect that speed may become an issue in WM7. Our Himalaya's do indeed have a very fast processor for its day, but there are now 600mhz plus CPUs coming out, and don't even look at Intel's new Atom CPU (1.8ghz Dual Core CPU for mobile devices).
I think it will be possible. But whether it would be optimal to do so is a different story.
Drop mobile office for a start, I never use it anyway That'd save some space.
we dont know whether its stable or can be used until some master cook it and we try it
Our himalayas have actually very strong CPU's. Mine is constantly overclocked to 590Mhz. Speed won't be a problem, as many new devices sold today ( with WM6 ) have speed of a meere 200Mhz.
Have faith in your hima !