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O2 Announce XDA II Release date

Saw this article on The Register.
Part way down they say O2 has announced the XDA II will be launched on 1 November.
The important bit
O2 will initially offer the XDA II in the UK for £349, including sales tax and 12 months' subscription fees
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On the systems in munich O2 said release date will be at the 01.11.2003 of the xda II.
Price will be 499€ with contract and about 800 without contract.
The software of the xda include a profile tool to change settings easily. Also the wireless modem is included. With the standard software you can also add pictures to incoming callers.
Tried if the device will fit to the proporta case, and it does.
Also asked what about update to WM2003 for the xda1, and they told me, that there never will be an official update from O2 (Germany).
Thats because they have a lot of problems with ROM updates.
HTH
Stefan

Orange UK to launch XDA 2

No one else seems to have mentioned it , so here is an article published the other day.
http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/artman/publish/article_219.shtml
Badged as SPV M1000 !!!!

orange SPV 2020
Or about a month ago
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/4277.html
Orange unveil SPV 2020
By: Anthony Newman, Thursday 6th November 2003, 10:53 GMT
The first Phone Edition device to come to Orange boasts Windows Mobile 2003, Bluetooth, a camera and more.
The Danish branch of European GSM provider Orange has today revealed the latest Microsoft-powered device in their range: the SPV 2020. The device is based on the same HTC Himalaya reference design as the XDA 2.
Meet Orange's SPV 2020
The phone offers tri-band 900/1800/1900 MHz GSM and GPRS, as well as Bluetooth and IR connectivity. The screen is a standard 16-bit transflective TFT display running at 240 x 320, and the package is driven by a 400 MHz Intel XScale processor with 64 MB of RAM. Expansion is in the form of an SDIO-capable SD/MMC slot. Finally, the new SPV includes a VGA digital camera.
The handheld runs Microsoft Windows Mobile Pocket PC 2003 Phone Edition, which has introduced native support for MMS and multiple always-on email accounts, as well as continuing support for POP3 and IMAP4 email, instant messaging, SMS and full web access through Pocket Internet Explorer.
The current SPV (sound, pictures, video) line marked the first commercially-available Windows-powered Smartphone, and currently includes the SPV E100 and the newly-announced SPV E200, which like the SPV 2020 features Bluetooth and an integrated camera. The E200 and 2020 are thus complementary devices.
The SPV 2020 is unlikely to be in the shops before Christmas, as only Danish pricing and availability has yet been announced. Orange have stated a 3,999 DKK price tag, excluding VAT,

Ok Mr G,
I am a man of few words, I said "orange uk to launch xda 2"
in your reply it very clearly says....
'The Danish branch of European GSM provider Orange has today revealed the latest Microsoft-powered device in their range: the SPV 2020'
now correcrt me if i am wrong (and i'm sure your would) but there is a significant difference there - especially if you live in the uk !!!!
so i believe my statement that "No one else seems to have mentioned it , so here is an article published the other day"
isnt too far off the mark
the phrase look before you leap comes to mind !!!!
ANY WAY, WELL DONE, IT SHOWS YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION !! :shock:

i'm a bit gutted about this... since i just got an xdaII and switched from orange to get it i would have held out for an orange release had i known.
oh well... still happy with the xdaII... not the network

@Fais
I'm the same as you - I left Orange after 12 years, just to get the XDA2. While the machine itself is cool, O2 are arse. No customer service quality at all compared with Orange.
Still, I spoke to Orange several times before I switched and asked them about the situation. Nobody mentioned the impending release of the XDA2 on their network, so they lost my loyal custom. No matter. I'll be back to Orange when my o2 contract is up and I can get my XDA unlocked.

Please, Sublimatica, can you tell me about how many months of contract O2 in UK will give the unlock code ?? here in France, it's 6 months ...for all operators .

I think the orange XDA-II only has 32MB of internal ram. If thats the case I'm glad I got mine with O2.

orange are confusing people
first it were released as the spv2020 then it changed name to m1000
and their page dont seem to mention specs like cpu and mem at all
http://orange.dk/nyspv/omspv2020
would suppose they would not be much help if you had an issue with your phone and wanted to solve it over the phone rather then sending the whole unit to them

tenzin said:
Please, Sublimatica, can you tell me about how many months of contract O2 in UK will give the unlock code ?? here in France, it's 6 months ...for all operators .
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I haven't tried, tenzin, but I think that we have two options in the UK:
1. We wait until our one-year minimum contract is finished, or;
2. We pay all the remaining monthly contract price in one amount and get an unlock code early.
Either way, as long as the service provider (O2 or Orange) get a year's worth of montly contract from us, they don't mind unlocking the handset.

where can I get a SPV M1000

Just phoned to upgrade my Buisness Orange SIm and was told that as I do not have 50+ mobiles registered with Orange, I cannot get a SPV M1000!
Anyone know where I can get one from?
Ashby

well here orange sell them all over often bundled with tomtom navigate
not sure if they ship to uk though

Does anyone know if this is true? Can you only purchase a SPVM 1000 if you are using 50 or more hand sets? Also, does anyone know how much Orange is charging for the handset when you sign up with service?
Thanks fo the help in sorting this out.
DJ

Try www.ebay.co.uk if there is one available it will be on there, just be sure if buying that you can collect the goods or ascertain the sellers credentials, there have been many instances of hijacked accounts on ebay recently, the feedback looks great, but you arent dealing with the owner of the account, the scammers tend to ask for money transfer via western union.

i doubt that it's true since many big eletronic stores here sell it bundled with tomtom gps
and they give the unit price on their site along with their other SPV
http://orange.dk/privat/telefoner/orange/
of cause i dont know if they ship to other countries

Orange M1000 - more details
I am new here - my first day of posting here ever.
Here is what i have been able to find out about this phone (M1000) from Orange
This is being marketed in 3 countries, - in Denmark to Business & Residential customers, and in UK and France to business customers only. Not just any business customers, many people have posted here and on modaco forums that you have to have 50 lines for your business. This is what i found when i called orange uk, they wouldn't even talk to me till i told them i have over 50 employees (as if). One person said he was told he needed 500 employees, but this seems to be an exception.
As stated by others, this is a lunatic decision for Orange to have taken.
I have searched the internet for buying these.
This was selling, apparently briefly, on Expansys (UK online electronics) but they have sold all they had and are not expecting any more at the moment, as far as i know ( i phoned them about it). I believe it was selling for over £500
There is one Danish site which is offering this on a Denmark Orange Tariff, but I am sure that you would need to give them a Danish address to be able to buy this from Orange Denmark, - i could be wrong. According to current exchange rates, the amount they were asking for was over £400, and that was on a Danish Orange Tariff of at least £30 a month. Not much use to a UK person, unfortunately.
I will be getting a few of these models (unwanted upgrades by some friends who are in a big enough company, but don't particularly like PDA 's as phones) over the next few days, i will beposting one on ebay today or tomorrow, which i will start the bidding at £400 ish.
If anyone wants to approach me outside Ebay, and you live in the London area, contact me please.
Good luck with this, and there is a good review of this, including pictures and videos taken with it, on this URL
http://www.msmobilenews.com/mobile/?cid=454
All the best, and what a gr8 site. I intend to unlock the phones before selling, have any of you used the fantastic tool for unlocking on the Orange spv m-1000 specifically?
Cheers
Ammateur

In France the device is sold on Orange shops about 450 Euro with a contract or 730 euro without
but SPV1000 is only 32MB Ram + 32 MB Rom where XDA2 (O2 or other) are 64 Mo RAM and 64 MO Rom so be carefull read the specs

RAM on M1000
Sorry, if you check out the review link i provided above, from Brody, the founder of his website, who tested one of these and provides much pictures and information, he says the UK version had 128 total, not 64

Its a perfect phone
I recently got hold of a SPV m1000 for DKK 3.600 excl. VAT andwith a contract. I love the design and smallness of the phone but if Orange really won't offer it to ordinary people in your countries then go with another brand. I heard rumours about m1000 lacking memory compared to the other brands, but mine is as good as the O2 (128 MB) and I don't belive they design it in other ways for other countries, especially considering the tininess of Denmark.
Cheers
Johan

also since they are all Himalaya devices then starting to change the inner hardware would inc the price even more then removing the mem would dec the price it just would not be a profitsome thing for orange to do

Individuals can now get the m1000 on contract in the UK, see here.

Wait O2 Exec or buy Universal from expansys.com

I live in Hong Kong. From my estimate, the O2 will sell in Hong Kong in December 2005. I want to get the Universal to be first in Hong Kong. Do I buy the Universal from expansys.com or wait the offical selling in Hong Kong?

If you want to be the first you don't have much choice but to get it from somewhere else other than O2!

I'm in the same boat as you are... No warranty and ugly looking Jasjar But on the other hand, the wait is killing me too....

XDA EXEC
Hi in answer to your question, i would only consider the O2 XDA EXEC,i have seen both devices,the XDA EXEC looks way better than the Imate Jasjar.
In addition the XDA EXEC will be tested more...O2 have better support + the O2 active service installed in the phone really inhances the device.
At the end of the day i Know its hard to wait...but i promise you will not be dissapointed this device really sets new standards.

O2 vs JasJar
Disagree with you on some points, firstly, o2 Active is a complete waste of time, been on 02 3years since xda 1 and always dumped it. For Guarantee, they're both about the same, 1 year, so no benefits there. I have also owned an Imate and their customer support was fine, no worse or better then o2. Rom Upgrades are much faster at imate, less bureauracy, and that is a big plus. And if you want to, you can always put an o2 rom later.
Jasjar is a terrible name, and will be more expensive than o2, always. They cannot subsidize like o2 can, not a big difference, so waitin 3-6 weeks you'll get it cheaper for sure.

O2 vs JasJar
Disagree with you on some points, firstly, o2 Active is a complete waste of time, been on 02 3years since xda 1 and always dumped it. For Guarantee, they're both about the same, 1 year, so no benefits there. I have also owned an Imate and their customer support was fine, no worse or better then o2. Rom Upgrades are much faster at imate, less bureauracy, and that is a big plus. And if you want to, you can always put an o2 rom later.
Jasjar is a terrible name, and will be more expensive than o2, always. They cannot subsidize like o2 can, not a big difference, so waitin 3-6 weeks you'll get it cheaper for sure.

Mark,
You can preorder Qtek from expansys. The price a bit cheaper.
You can check here.
http://www.expansys.com.hk/product.asp?code=125550

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fanacreonte2804 said:
Hi in answer to your question, i would only consider the O2 XDA EXEC,i have seen both devices,the XDA EXEC looks way better than the Imate Jasjar.
In addition the XDA EXEC will be tested more...O2 have better support + the O2 active service installed in the phone really inhances the device.
At the end of the day i Know its hard to wait...but i promise you will not be dissapointed this device really sets new standards.
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I bet I can guess who you work for , but I must say the exec is much easier on the eyes.

Not sure
I think they really are 100% the same, unless you really are a tosser and care about device color...
Warranty 1 year
Rom: within a month, you'll put whatever you want in, no big deal active
o2 Active, Useless (Unless someone wants to convince me otherwise)
Price: 100% o2 will be cheaper, it always is. I will always buy these under contract, they are cheaper + you get minutes which I can throw away.

Buying O2
Buying O2 guarantees you a few things:
1) O2 active will be available, and if installed (which at least is optional on the exec without needing silly corporate codes) it will make your device crash much more than devices that dont have it. I have no confidence that O2 will sort out the O2 active issues that exist on the XDA IIs
2) You will wait *eons* for firmware updates. O2 are still shipping devices with BT build 3500, rom 1.31.00, radio: 1.06. They are now about 6 versions behind and there is no news of whether there will *ever* be an official update to the latest and greatest. For the record, BT3900, rom 1.41, and radio 1.12 are the latest.
3) You will get a cheaper device than if you bought it elsewhere.
So.... if you buy O2 then be prepaired to hack around with it, cook your own roms, and rely on timely updates from *other* vendors (which will need to be hacked for the O2 XDA) to fix the bugs on your exec.
O2 do not aknowledge or fix bugs on their devices period.
Nigel

I agree 100%
Exec will be considerably cheaper, but you'll get screwed on support. Even more true for T-Mobile, they are the most agressive guys, u wiull save a lot if you are patient.
For example I bought 13 T-mobile MDA's for 235GBP (purchase price + contract), and flipped on ebay for 320GBP. Now I have cancelled my contract and am getting 446GBP back, paying for JasJar....
So, buying through an agressive operator is always cheaper because they factor in that you will be spending more then you're contract....guess I didn't

Getting it from O2 doesn't offer much advantages; All O2 settings can be obtained from their site or the net; O2 active is useless, I always get rid of it in all my O2 pocket pcs; waste of memory. I bought the jamjar on an o2 contract costing 320GBP, paying 25GBP per month for 100min and 100text which works out to 620GBP. I don't think waiting for the exec itself will give a more significant discount. 320 quid for the device sounds fair enough considering it costs over 600GBP sim free at the moment; some shops sell it at 700GBP!

Did the same
Paid 660 GBP for 250 minutes on o2 and the phone for one year. Not bad? (I already have 500 minutes from o2 for 15GBP per month, but I figured can keep the 250 minutes for guests)

It is pre-order only.
1. Expansys is on pre-order stage.
2. Expansys cannot provide the handset warranty.
3. The price is about 700GBP
I am only wait for O2 Exec.
Hemant said:
Mark,
You can preorder Qtek from expansys. The price a bit cheaper.
You can check here.
http://www.expansys.com.hk/product.asp?code=125550
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What is the price of the O2 Exec from O2 UK for handset only(Sim free)? Who can help me to reply this post?
Thanks!!!!!!

Are you really gonna wait for the O2 XDA Exec in Hong Kong?
I have just been told that Universal will not appear in Hong Kong under O2 brand - the distributor will introduce it as Dopod 900.
Wait and see - October 2005.

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mikeycollins13 said:
I think they really are 100% the same, unless you really are a tosser and care about device color...
Warranty 1 year
Rom: within a month, you'll put whatever you want in, no big deal active
o2 Active, Useless (Unless someone wants to convince me otherwise)
Price: 100% o2 will be cheaper, it always is. I will always buy these under contract, they are cheaper + you get minutes which I can throw away.
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Making him care about the colour on a device that costs £600+gbp makes him a tosser?Would you like a **** brown with pink spots coloured ferrari?

Personally I would wait for the Exec.
I like the O2 colors better than the grey MDA ones - this is just and aesthetic issue. Functional-wise I think you should wait because there are problems with apps that are not compatible yet with WM5, therefore you might not be able to use all the apps which you have purchased (or downloaded as freeware) to run on your device,so your gaming/productivity/communication/entertainment might be impaired

1. Are you sure the O2 Exec will not release in HK?
2. After to read some posts, I want to wait O2 Exec released in Hong Kong rather than to buy imate/MDA Pro from overseas/Internet(expansys or www.pocketpc.com.hk).
shu_sum said:
Are you really gonna wait for the O2 XDA Exec in Hong Kong?
I have just been told that Universal will not appear in Hong Kong under O2 brand - the distributor will introduce it as Dopod 900.
Wait and see - October 2005.
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There's one problem with the O2 exec, at least in the UK - O2! They're rubbish in every sense. I used to be a customer of theirs and I had to phone them EVERY MONTH when they double billed me. They never sorted this out despite my repeated atempts and they're repeated promises. You'll also spend 15 minutes on hold when you call them. Their customer service is completly ineefctual and, as mentioned elsewhere, bug fixes and rom updates are almost non-existant. I'm told they also have poorer 3G coverage in the UK than the likes of Voda.
I bought a JasJar (and paid prolly about £70 more than if I had bought an Exec on O2) soley becuase it meant i didn't have to use O2!
But I agree the exec looks nicer. There is also some concern over the JasJar not having a keybaord backlight - I'll be able to confirm or deny in a couple of days when my order arrives.

Xda Trion ? (sorry if a repost)

Hiya
So it looks like there is a 'new' Xda out called the 'Trion' - I have a fave site and was checking out the new Sony UX when I saw this listed.
http://dynamism.com/xda-trion/main.shtml
Sorry if everyone else knows of it, I certainly didn't!
It looks very nicely specced indeed! I think the only thing missing is a built in GPS receiver (for my requirements anyway!)
It even says the 'predecessor' was the Vario et al
The screenshot shows it as an 'Xda' with an O2 splash image on it...
I'm about to check out the O2 website and see if its there !!
Anyone know where to get one? $999 USD is the site price, add on $40-50 USD for shipping to the UK, then add on VAT etc I don't want to buy from Dynamism - ordinarily I might have if I'd been visiting the USA sometime soon!
If I cant get one - then I'm just going to get a Xda Mini S...
Cheers! Dennis! West London UK!!

Thanks dennis - as far as i am aware nobody has picked up that link - the uk link is here http://uk.dynamism.com/xda-trion/main.shtml
I prefer the trion to the tytn which i think is a bit ugly.

It is available in Taiwan and the name is Dopod CHT9000 and it is pretty ugly too ..looking forward to XDA Trion :lol: