XDA IV? nah... - JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General

FYI, I recently received an e-mail from some guy at O2 Data Support.
Hi Andy,
Thank you for your email,
As regards your queries below -
The HTC Universal - we are branding the device as the 'O2 XDA Exec', and we will be launching at some point in the near future, unfortunately we don't have any confirmed date for this as yet. I have also attached a file with some FAQ's regarding the device which I hope will help quench some of your gadgetry needs! (I myself also love gadgets).
As regards the XDA 2s, we are aware of issues with the device at present, and advise customers to hard reset the device and go into Corporate mode (with a pin number of 0506). Within Corporate mode, the clock is present in the top right corner, and the O2 Active software does not install. We will be releasing a new ROM for the device, but again, we can't advise of any release date as we don't know any as yet, and also cannot confirm what software will be in the new release. I assume with new releases for the XDA 2s, that there 'should' be WMP10, but again, we can't confirm or deny that as yet.
As regards WM2005 for the other XDA series, this question is answered in the attached file.
If you have any further queries, do not hesitate to contact us again.
Regards,
Paul
O2 Data Support UK
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And it also seems that a few people are confusing the spec. So this is the attached file he was talking about in his e-mail. It's an o2 XDA Exec FAQ:
Xda Exec & Windows Mobile 5.0 - FAQ's
Q. When will O2 launch devices running Windows Mobile 5.0?
A. The Xda Exec (HTC Universal) will be the first Windows Mobile 5.0 device although a launch date is yet to be confirmed.
Q. Will any of the current Xda range receive a ROM upgrade to Windows Mobile 5.0 operating system?
A. There is currently no planned upgrade for O2 Xda II, IIs, IIi devices to Windows Mobile 5.0 and it is highly unlikely this will happen.
Q. What is the spec of the Xda Exec?
A. The provisional spec (some of which is subject to change) is as follows;
Windows Mobile 5.0 (which includes 'persistent memory')
Intel XScale PXA272 520MHz processor
ROM 128MB (used as storage)
Ram 64MB (used for running apps only)
3.6” 640x480 65k transflective colour backlit LCD
up to 4/2/20/200 GSM Talk/3G Talk/PDA/Standby time
GSM Tri-band (900/1800/1900), UMTS Single-band (2100)
GPRS class 10, UMTS 64/384
Bluetooth 1.2, Infrared and mini-USB connector
Wireless LAN 802.11b
SD/MMC/SDIO slot
3.5mm Audio Connector
Stereo Speakers
Integrated camera (resolution 1280 x 960) with LED flash and 2nd CIF camera for 3G video calls
Integrated antenna
15 buttons (Answer, hangup, PTT, OK, Start, Camera, Power, VoiceRecord, 5-way nav
56-key QWERTY keyboard with light sensor to auto-adjust backlight
Removable battery (1620mah)
Weight: 285 grams
Minimum Activesync version required 4.0
PC operating systems supported Windows 2000/XP (no support for Windows 95, 98, ME, NT)
Supports Activesync synchronisation of video/audio files in conjunction with Windows Media Player 10
Screen: 10640 x 480 VGA resolution
Enhanced O2 Active interface
Power Save software
Three setup modes - Full O2 Active, Intermediate and Corporate
Dimensions are 81mm x 127.7mm x25mm
Q. Why does Xda II have more RAM memory than Xda Exec?
A. You shouldn't compare RAM across the different operating systems as they use RAM very differently. The difference is as follows;
Windows Mobile 5.0 devices use RAM for running programs only.
Windows Mobile 2002/2003 devices split RAM memory in half - between running programs and user data storage (emails, contacts, pictures, videos, Word documents etc.)
So Xda II and Xda Exec use roughly the same amount of RAM for running programs. However Xda Exec stores user data in the Flash ROM memory, as part of the "persistant storage" feature of Windows Mobile 5.0.
It should also be remembered that more RAM impacts battery consumption, so more RAM would require a larger battery.
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Hope that's enlightened a few people.
Cheers,
Andy

I'm a bit worried about that screen size, it's going to be a problem getting it in your pocket!

lol yeah looks like he might a slight typo
unless they have a new technology that makes pixels super tiny
Andy

it is supposed to appear as:
Screen: 10" 640 x 480 VGA resolution
i guess...

ahmmmm...
let's say:
Screen: 10cm 640 x 480 VGA resolution
anyway, thanks for posting that o2 letter. that really enlightens at least me.

Nice, the first ever PPC with a WideWideWide scren

NICE NICE

the 64mb ram makes me think... IMO i find it little to use... any way to upgrade it ? to at least someth i can live with (128)

The more RAM you have, the less time the battery will last. Manufacturers are starting to use ROM going forwards to enable longer battery life.

but there are bigger batt avail...maybe in time to come for the universal.

rick83 said:
the 64mb ram makes me think... IMO i find it little to use... any way to upgrade it ? to at least someth i can live with (128)
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In fact u can!!...there's room for 2 additional slots,so u can have ur 128MB REAL RAMS....read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=26375 ...
But the question is:do u need 128 MB RAM....remember that u don't have ext ROM nor storage memory anymore,wich used to share with u ur old RAMS...now u have 64MB...and they are pure RAMs.....
greetings...
RAGO :lol:

well since the ram is only for running applications and not storage
then it should not matter
if it's 64 over 128 with our devices now nobody use 128MB as application memory anyway since we use some for storage
and applications use the memory they were made to use
having more should not make them speed up
the only thing more pure application memory does it that applications people have closed as in minimized live for longer before they are terminated
as in faster multitasking of running programs

how do i upgrade the ram. Is it like those SD card type (just slot in) or do i need to soulder ?

how do i upgrade the ram. Is it like those SD card type (just slot in) or do i need to soulder ?
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as far as i can tell from the pictures then you need a soulder
and a smd soulder at that
not something for a person not exp'd with such things
maybe some company will offer the upgrade
not sure if it would require a special rom to address the extre memory though
but thats just application running ram you can still get a sd card for storage if you need more then the 128 mb storage it comes with
(that is unless the 128 is also for the rom itself)

I think that we should put together a "WISH LIST" for the XDA3.
I'll go first
4GIG Hard Disk - Like the Palm 1
5MP Camera - with a decent lens and Optical Zoom
Proper USB port allowing for a loud speaker like on the samsung phones
The Case shouldn't scratch so easily
Proper Head Phone Jack (blody annoying with the 2,5" rubbish)
Faster WIFI 54 (if not 108)
I can think of loads more - but I'll throw it open right now!
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A tiny screen on the front cover to tell who is calling without needing to open the flip and if possible basic input buttons to dial and write short SMS without needing to open the flip

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A tiny screen on the front cover to tell who is calling without needing to open the flip and if possible basic input buttons to dial and write short SMS without needing to open the flip
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I think I've writtne in the wrong String My XDAIIi doesn't have a Flip of any Description

Related

QteK s100 few questions

Hi there, I've got a few questions on the s100/JAM/Magician device ... can anyone shed a light on them, thanx
1. is it possible to upgrade the OS to Windows Mobile 2005, when it comes around?
2. is there any truth to the rumor stating a new JAM version coming up, with 128MB + WiFi? When, and at what estimate price (compared with current JAM)?
3. why there's no central support for this device, shouldn't HTC be providing that? Each "distributor", i-Mate, QteK, XDA, has their own private support (haven't found QteKs though!), with updates/patchs not fully compatible between brands! It's a major setback (for me anyway), not having one central place where to keep my device uptodate from!
4. the 7.6MB main memory to run applications, is enough to run any application there is (at least individualy)? How much is this type of memory in other PPC devices?
5. when the device is asleep, is there a screen saver mode with a clock, like in regular cellphones?
... I'm not yet a pride owner... maybe soon
Locking your screen and buttons and providing a clock is done by MortSaver, free download at www.sto-helit.de. Ideal for using your Jam as an MP3 player and providing a screensaver and clock as well.

Diary of an O2 Exec

For background to this post read http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=175027#175027.
This is an experiment to see just how usable this device actually is. There seem to be differing opinions and experiences and all hold water. So I'm going reset my device and start from scratch. Each time I encounter a shortfall on the device, I'll post what I think is wrong and wait for responses/advice on what to do. On group concensus, I'll then make a change/install 3rd party software/change my way of doing things etc and post the results.
This, of course, may go absolutely nowhere.
The rules:
It's an academic experiment, I have no agenda here.
Ok, All gone! Also, did a soft reset at the point that the device started "Customizing for O2". It's come back all clean and new.
ROM version: 1.13.48 WWE
ROM date: 09/19/05
Radio version: 1.04.02
Protocol version: 42.37.P8
Ext rom verion: (nothing because I reset it I guess).
Off the cuff free program memory is 31.33, Storage is 40.12
Fiddled with a couple of standard settings (cleartext is on, fonts are smallest, O2 gprs settings set up etc, etc).
Is this a safe basis to start with, or do I need the ext rom for something?
What I really need right up front is:
1. A GPRS monitor (SPB Gprs monitor is supplied on the accompanying O2 CD)
2. Tomtom navigator
Any alternatives, warnings before I install these?
Installed a couple of applications:
- SPB Gprs monitor
- Clearview PDF viewer (provided by O2 along with the unit)
- Microsoft Voice command. This most definitely has a bug in that you're unable to see the contact you're about to call. It is still useful however.
So far things still looking fine.
Still, was reminded yesterday evening in a random conversation about the fact that windows 95 used to run (slowly but usably) on a 486 with 16 MB Ram. My Exec runs slowly but usably on a lot more.
daveb1976 said:
2. Tomtom navigator
Any alternatives, warnings before I install these?
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YOU'RE D :roll: :roll: M E D
I decided to keep my old XDA (Wallaby) and continue to use TomTom on that. Better safe than sorry
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Installed a couple of applications:
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Still, was reminded yesterday evening in a random conversation about the fact that windows 95 used to run (slowly but usably) on a 486 with 16 MB Ram. My Exec runs slowly but usably on a lot more.
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I actually had a 200Mhz (Gateway) computer with 64MB of RAM and 4MB graphics card and 5GB HDD. My monitor had a higher res then the JJ/Exec. This worked really well on Win95 and Office. It was also used with Win98SE later on.
What the hell has M$ with WM5? It has a 520Mhz processor on-tap and about 50MB of RAM. It really does not feel as snappy as my old (10 years old) Gateway!
TomTom 5.1 works Ok on the Exec - the only problem is what to do with the Exec in the car. The Exec doesn't have a holder. It just slightly too big for my cheap Halford holder that suited my XDAII and IIs. Blue Tac wouldn't last too long on the dashboard Exec - it'll proably dry out too quickly. Velcro might work....
JJ Tweaks
Would suggest the following quick n easy adjustments:
1. Turn off error reporting
2. Turn off aut accept beams
3. remove pocket skype if you dont use it, big n cumbersome, or at least move it to storage card
4. Did you remove the startup file to your original voice dialer sddaemon?
5. have you done any other registry tweaks for MSVC from bluetooth?
6. Consider setting your theme to simply, some of them are big.
7. I prefer to use SPB to close the application properly, but if you do not add monitors to anything other than RAM.
What speed do you get on screen rotation?
Day 2
Day 2 I guess (only the first full day of actually using it)
Here's what I've found so far. My overall opinion is that things ARE running more smoothly than before. I LOVE a couple of the features - particularly MS Voice command when it works. I've used it extensively to check email, a bit to browse the web, once to watch a couple of small windows media videos. So it's been useful, but that's not the point of this excersise. I want to see if it works as we should be able to expect a device and an OS that we're paying good money for. Here's what I'm not happy with so far. Please post suggestions to whether you agree or disagree with my opinions, and suggestions for how I should be things better.
Bugs:
1. I have on 4 occassions been given an error stating that there is not enough memory to perform an operation. Once was when I tried to open the camera, once when I tried to access the MS Voice command config, once when trying to use Voice command to access contacts (I didn't actually get the error, but it didn't work. A quick look on MSVoice command troubleshooting says this is a memory problem. Now, the whole point of this is to use the device as MS planned us to. SURELY if within a day of user testing the device complains about memory issues, then their memory management DOES NOT WORK. Showstopper in my humble opinion. Of course, I'm bound and chained so they'll release anyway. This was the same problem with 2003SE, so why did they release 2005 with the same problem? Don't tell me I need to go into settings and shut down all the programs. What kind of end-user should think they needed to do that?
2. Bluetooth has switched itself off about 4 times. I know this is a well known bug on this forum, my question is how did the device make it to release with this so easily identifiable? Showstopper.
And appart from the fact that it's ludicrously slow for what it is accomplishing there are these annoyances - but not bugs.
1. No task switcher. This may only be me, but I think going through the menu to switch between applications every time you need to copy and paste or something like that, isn't great design. This is just my opinion of course, not a bug.
2. Decided to search for large files to see if I could free up space. Lovely option to search for files bigger than 64k (although it takes damned AGES - Google could search the entire web 100 000 times in less time). Finally get a list of files...but I CAN'T DELETE THEM from here. And there's no way to find out where they exist that I can see. Please someone tell me I'm doing something stupid here and that there is a way. Not a bug of course, but TERRIBLE design. Showstopper
Ok, now hit me...[/b]
Just to address a couple of other posts:
Would suggest the following quick n easy adjustments:
1. Turn off error reporting
2. Turn off aut accept beams
3. remove pocket skype if you dont use it, big n cumbersome, or at least move it to storage card
4. Did you remove the startup file to your original voice dialer sddaemon?
5. have you done any other registry tweaks for MSVC from bluetooth?
6. Consider setting your theme to simply, some of them are big.
7. I prefer to use SPB to close the application properly, but if you do not add monitors to anything other than RAM.
What speed do you get on screen rotation?
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1. Have turned this off
2. Have turned this off
3. Didn't get installed. I made sure this was JUST the MS supplied CAB. It has no O2 software installed that I can find - not even the smart dialer (which is a pain). Strangely, the menu option for smart dialer options is there, but does nothing when i click on it. But this might be because SD is expected to come from the OEM.
4. No i didn't, but it doesn't appear there anyway. But I'm not trying to tweak the device anyway, I'm trying to use it like an end user.
5. No, no tweaks. I don't believe you should have to tweak things like this within the first few days. I do, because i find it interesting, but my argument here is that MS have released a rediculously low quality product.
6. Standard windows theme.
7. I'm trying to use it as they intended.
Xiama: tomtom not installed...yet. I've had it running a few times though and it seems pretty good.
Darkblack: I've found a standard gps holder from Maplin worked fine.

Video Calling / Rattles amongst other things

Hi there,
I recently obtained my XDA Exec (complete with loud rattle) from o2 as a sweetener prior to putting in a large corporate order but have been getting annoyed with the following problems:
1) UTMS Reception is poor and chops and changes between UTMS and GPRS regularly
2) On Video Calling a friend they recieve a loud high pitched whine from my handset. Whereas whenever they phone me everything goes swimmingly.
3) Pronounced rattle within the main body of the handset (at the camera end)
4) WMV audio / video playback is jerky
5) Not being able to properly terminate closed programs
6) Delay in opening programs / files
7) Cannot get a wifi connection with my Linksys router, works with other routers / access points.
8) Does not work with GoToMyPC PocketView (Citrix)
9) No way of viewing flash (swf) content.
All this and I'm running it in corporate mode.
ROM ver: 1.13.48 WWE
ROM date: 09/19/05
Radio ver: 1.04.02
Protocol ver: 42.37.P8
ExtROM ver: 1.13.139 WWE
Not chuffed in the slightest so any suggestions greatly recieved.
3rd Party Software:
SPB Pocket Plus 3.0.4, Build 4195 (Device Install)
SPB GPRS Monitor (Device Install)
Resco File Explorer 2005 v5.21 (Device Install)
ClearView PDF (SD Install)
TomTom Navigator 5.10 (SD & Device Install)
Pocket ScreenShot (SD Install)
vxUtil (SD Install)
OS GPS Convertor (SD Install)
CE Manager (GPS) (SD Install)
stickeresq said:
Hi there,
I recently obtained my XDA Exec (complete with loud rattle) from o2 as a sweetener prior to putting in a large corporate order but have been getting annoyed with the following problems:
1) UTMS Reception is poor and chops and changes between UTMS and GPRS regularly
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I think O2's 3G network has piss-poor coverage at the moment. This may not be the Exec's fault.
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3) Pronounced rattle within the main body of the handset (at the camera end)
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Sounds like a problem with your handset. Mine is wonderfully solid and rattle-free. Feels much better than my XDA2 was.
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4) WMV audio / video playback is jerky
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WMP seems to be poor on WM5 so you may find the freeware media player TCPMP much more capable.
stickeresq said:
5) Not being able to properly terminate closed programs
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This is a feature of Windows Mobile that seems to really annoy some people. WM is designed to minimise programs rather than close them, and it handles the memory management itself depending on system resources. If you can overcome the need to 'close' (terminate) programs yourself and just let the OS handle it then you may find that the machine works perfectly and is more responsive as a result. I don't think it's an accident that MS designed it this way. My machine runs just fine if I use it as MS intended, but I agree that it's preferable sometimes to know that you've freed up all the memory from a bloaty app after you've finished with it.
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6) Delay in opening programs / files
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See point 5
stickeresq said:
3rd Party Software:
SPB Pocket Plus 3.0.4, Build 4195 (Device Install)
SPB GPRS Monitor (Device Install)
Resco File Explorer 2005 v5.21 (Device Install)
ClearView PDF (SD Install)
TomTom Navigator 5.10 (SD & Device Install)
Pocket ScreenShot (SD Install)
vxUtil (SD Install)
OS GPS Convertor (SD Install)
CE Manager (GPS) (SD Install)
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There's a lot of programs around at the moment that claim to be WM5-compatible, when in fact they are only tested to work on WM5; they haven't been designed for WM5. This, IMHO, is the factor that will have the biggest effect on the reliability and speed of your Exec. Try it without any 3rd-party software for a while and see how fast it is before you blame the Exec. For example, the latest version of PocketBreeze and PocketPlus claim to be WM5-compatible, but if I have them showing on my Today screen then I can be waiting up to 10 seconds for the password-entry screen to disappear and the Today screen to finish rendering after power-on of the Exec. If I remove these two plugins then my Exec is instantly usable when I turn it on.
I think the Universal gets a lot of criticism of its performance when in fact this is poorly-written 3rd-party software causing the problem (such as O2's InActive interface). If you can wait for fully-compatible (i.e. designed from the ground-up) software to be made available then you may find the machine works exactly as you'd expect.
Hope this helps.
Sounds like you were sent a refurbished handset.
They do it all the time as a matter of course - cuts costs.
And, no, they dont inform you of the fact prior and won't accept the fact post returning it and asking for another.
Depending on how numpty you get about it they will then either tell you they don't have anymore in stock ie. they have no NEW ones only REFURBISHED ones and will not give you an ETA on the replacement or assure you that they are shocked and concerned this is happening and send you another refurb. Just one thats less obviously knackered.
Oh, then they'll bill you for the one they sent originally and/or imply you have dropped or/broke it/damaged it and should pay for the replacement.
All of this will take several hours to conclude since you will be transferred, cut off, abused, hung up on and plain lied to by several different numpties at their call center. Then eventually, after faxing them half a dozen times and not being called back you will go to a competitor and if you're lucky, recieve marginally better service. Although this is currently somewhat unlikely.
Good eh?
Gubbs.
PS: If you can live without black reccommend the T-Mobile incarnation.
PPS: I am not bitter. Honest. :twisted:
A mixed response but cheers for the feedback! I would love to use it sans third party software but due to the requirements my career puts on my mobile devices / laptop I can't live without them. especially vxUtil and TomTom to get to the clients premises. I wonder what timescale Microsoft are toying with for pushing the SDK to software houses and hence getting a decent range of software out on the market.
I have to agree 100% with everything SiliconS said.
My 3G coverage is actually better than my 'normal' coverage on my T-Mobile simmed JasJar (which I assume is down to the number of users?)
Build quality is very good.
Can't say I use WMP, my entire audio/video library is on ogg and XVid, so TCPMP what I use, and it's perfect.
Using 'smart minimise' generally speeds things up, so there's no need to close everything all the time. It's how WM was designed, and I have no reason to assume I know any better than the designers.
The point about third-party software is the absolute number one cause of most people's problems around here. Developers SAY their software works on WM5, and that may indeed be true. But as far as I know, every single piece of software available on WM5 has actually been written for WM2003SE, and then modified to make it FUNCTION on WM5. None of it is really optimised for WM5 yet, and certainly none of it has been written specifically for WM5. Give it a bit of time, but for now, we're all running software which isn't really using the new OS properly...
The depressing thing is that the SDK for WM5 has been available for about 6 months, and it's only now that the first couple of devices are out, that the developers are bothering to update their software. It's like the X-Box 360 being released, but no-one's bothered to write software for it yet, so you have to use the old X-Box games on it while everyone catches up.....
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A mixed response but cheers for the feedback! I would love to use it sans third party software but due to the requirements my career puts on my mobile devices / laptop I can't live without them. especially vxUtil and TomTom to get to the clients premises. I wonder what timescale Microsoft are toying with for pushing the SDK to software houses and hence getting a decent range of software out on the market.
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TomTom 5.1 is one of the apps I use and - although it works - it doesn't display crisply and effortlessly in the way I'd expect: you can actually see it processing the rendering of icons, screen overlays, new screens etc. etc. and sure enough, TomTom BV don't claim that it's compatible. It works but not by design. I'd like to think that this is evidence that TomTom is taking seriously its obligation to rewrite the codebase to make it fully compatible, and that those of us who've got 5.1 working have just been lucky. Other developers and software houses may be so keen to get their program out there for us to use that they're cutting corners and making do.
The makers of Pocket Informant claim that their newest version is compatible with WM5, when in fact it has several serious shortcomings that make me think it's probably anything but. (For example, how the hell do I dial a number from the contacts list without getting the stylus out?) In stark contrast, DeveloperOne - makers of my PIM of choice: Agenda Fusion - have yet to release a WM5-compatible version and I hope this means they're taking its porting seriously and that when they do eventually release it, we'll be able to rely on it to perform perfectly and not affect the Exec's performance at all. Unfortunately they must be losing customers in the meantime who are so desperate to replace the default Microsoft PIM that they'll try alternatives like Pocket Informant, despite PI's obvious weaknesses in comparison IMO.
I won't be buying PocketBreeze or PocketPlus until they work without slowing down my Exec. I'll never be buying PocketInformant. I'll wait patiently to buy AgendaFusion, even more sure that I made the right decision to choose the version I used on my XDA2.
Sorry - I'm getting on my soapbox a bit here and it's not really relevant to your post. :roll:
If you suspect that your apps aren't fully WM5 compatible then you could try using WM5's task manager to close them after you've used them so there's no risk of them slowing down your machine. Otherwise I'd really recommend letting WM5 handle its memory. If you're using any non-compatible Today plugins then I'd definitely recommend you find a way to live without them for a while since they'll kill your Exec's performance and ruin your enjoyment of the machine.
And I'd agree with gubbs' comments too: it's unforgivable of O2 to send out refurbished machines to new customers while charging full whack for them. At the worst they could send out refurb units as insurance/warranty replacements but absolutely not for new customers. Their customer service is pants and the 3G coverage is weak. The Exec, however, is a very, very good machine and future ROM upgrades and better third-party software will bring the software up to spec too.
At least, I hope so....
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The point about third-party software is the absolute number one cause of most people's problems around here. Developers SAY their software works on WM5, and that may indeed be true. But as far as I know, every single piece of software available on WM5 has actually been written for WM2003SE, and then modified to make it FUNCTION on WM5. None of it is really optimised for WM5 yet, and certainly none of it has been written specifically for WM5. Give it a bit of time, but for now, we're all running software which isn't really using the new OS properly...
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Spot on.
Cheers fellas. If only other forums produced such informative and timely replies.
Keep up the good work as I remove half the cack from my exec.
Oh anyone sussed a registry hack to allow the macromedia flash active-x work yet ?
Just me being pernickety as ever.
SiliconS has made some very good comments...
I must admit I've previously been one of those people who insists on nothing I'm not currently using should still be running. I've always hated the idea of smart minimise, especially when looking at all the amount of memory shutting them down seems to free up. Though, SiliconS has made me think about that, and I'm going to give the smart minimise thing a try, see how it pans out. Of course there are some apps that don't actually HAVE an "Exit" or "Quit" option, and that's where the only genuinely useful bit of O2 kit - the Task Manager - comes in useful.
I'm otherwise very impressed with the Exec. Basic mode has all the things that I need in it, though I still mourn the loss of the memory slider function in WM2003 giving me nearly 70MB resources like the 2i gave me.
Ditto re 3rd party software. I don't use Pocket Plus now (despite buying it for the xda / xda2 / xda2i), and only have PocketZenPhone (essential), Total Remote, TCPMP and TomTom 5.1 installed. I find, for my needs, that the stock PIM and default programs are better in 05 than 03SE and will need to be persuaded otherwise before investing in more apps.
Ant
Anton.Valleyman said:
SiliconS has made some very good comments...
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Thanks Mr Valleyman. I think that's a first!
Anton.Valleyman said:
I'm otherwise very impressed with the Exec. Basic mode has all the things that I need in it, though I still mourn the loss of the memory slider function in WM2003 giving me nearly 70MB resources like the 2i gave me.
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This is a function of the hardware, I think. There's no longer a single RAM whose allocation you can affect with the slider. On the plus side we now have persistent memory! Again, though, while it's reassuring to maximise the available system resources that the Exec reports and to see a nice big number like that, I've seen mine down as low as just 1MB program memory available and it's all still functioned perfectly. If WM5 needs more memory then it closes something in the background to get some.
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Ditto re 3rd party software. I don't use Pocket Plus now (despite buying it for the xda / xda2 / xda2i), and only have PocketZenPhone (essential), Total Remote, TCPMP and TomTom 5.1 installed. I find, for my needs, that the stock PIM and default programs are better in 05 than 03SE and will need to be persuaded otherwise before investing in more apps.
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We have almost the same list of apps! Mad.
Yesterday I uninstalled PocketInformant in frustration at its clunky interface and so I'm back to using the default PIM. I'm reminded how basic and featureless it really is. I've just entered all the flights for a round-the-world holiday in February and on the week view all I see are a bunch of coloured blocks when there's so much potential to write some text in the blocks to show at a glance what they represent. Can't wait for AgendaFusion. I'd forgotten how much I depended on it.
Anyway, another thread hijack begins. :roll: Sorry stickeresq.

[Question] Memory allocation adjustment

Hi friends,
After almost half a year using this O2 Exec, I found it's really good and met all my needs. However, there is still problem with the insufficient program memory even though I used the "closed" functions by pocket plus and clean the device from time to time by memaid. I also use the clearnotification.
Is it possible to adjust the memory allocation the same as the Magician or Himalaya? I know they are all different. If we can combine the extended rom of my Exec to the program memory, it may help a lot.
Cheers,
Doesnt work like that anymore. Try a search for persistant storage or the like. Now with WM5 you have storage memory (built-in flash) and RAM. This has been brought up many times.
Know how this works. But, one day I playing with my O2 Exec, landed in the Memory applet. I suddenly had an image on the PPC, which had a slider to allocate memory . The image was merged with the background. But, my PPC had freezed.
Wish I had the presence of mind to click a photograph , before I did a soft reset.
Food for thought, maybe there is something in there, not known to us.
I think maybe the freeze was because you crashed your machine showing that slider.
I have seen someone post on here about seeing it, and the fact that MS recycled the memory screen from WM2003SE and hid that part.
You're never going to be able to change Flash into RAM, they are (three) distinct chips and used separately by the OS.
The only way you could do it is to write a virtual memory driver the same way that WinXP and other desktop OSs use paging files on the hard drive to simulate RAM. Slow, lots of overheads, no advantage whatsoever on the Universal.
So the solution to your problem may be the same as mine:
I wrote off to a company that does electronics work and asked them if they can fit another couple of RAM chips to my device. This page says that there is room for two more (another 64MB?) RAM chips on the mainboard if you can BGA solder. Still waiting on a reply.
A 128MB Uni would kick the backside out of all other handhelds. Oh, and USB host, but that is a whole world of work that nobody has tried yet. Damn you HTC!
Of course you realise that the more RAM you have the worse the battery life will be.
I'm also thinking to put more chip into the free space but not sure that we need to do anything with the OS to run on 128MB hardware.
Can we just put more chip on it? I want to try
xenon_art said:
I'm also thinking to put more chip into the free space but not sure that we need to do anything with the OS to run on 128MB hardware.
Can we just put more chip on it? I want to try
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If I remember, Asukal or Mwang(mwang - sorry if I misspelled Ur nick) already tried to add more ram chips, but wothout any effect - no raam increase - unfortunately for us
:-(
phsnake said:
xenon_art said:
I'm also thinking to put more chip into the free space but not sure that we need to do anything with the OS to run on 128MB hardware.
Can we just put more chip on it? I want to try
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If I remember, Asukal or Mwang(mwang - sorry if I misspelled Ur nick) already tried to add more ram chips, but wothout any effect - no raam increase - unfortunately for us
:-(
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so disappointed.
thanks for your info.

attach to today process and services

Compared with OS like windows xp, window mobile is limited with max process around 30. when it is reached to this figure, the os will kill one or more to keep this limit.
So does anyone know if it is possible to create a program by using the way like attaching to today (should be shell.exe I think) or using services to keep the number of process low? and is there any limitation by using such ways?
Well actually the number is not 'around 30' it is exactly 32 according to WM documentation.
But you rarely reach this number due to other considerations.
Still there are some things that do not count as a process, namely DLLs.
You can create a today plugin or a service DLL.
The limitation for services would be the size of the virtual memory slot they occupy.
Thanks, the number 30 is based on my experience. I have tried to open 100 processes by mortscript and in the end, only 30 or less was survived on my wm6 device. This figure is even smaller for my wm2003se device, it is just around 20.
I am really waiting for wm7, so I can run as many program as I like without considering any program being killed by the OS.
mic2007 said:
Compared with OS like windows xp, window mobile is limited with max process around 30. when it is reached to this figure, the os will kill one or more to keep this limit.
So does anyone know if it is possible to create a program by using the way like attaching to today (should be shell.exe I think) or using services to keep the number of process low? and is there any limitation by using such ways?
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Hi! You should take a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=235792
What you need is PerformCallback4 function which is undocumented (excluded from SDK) but still exists there.
Thank you!
mic2007 said:
I am really waiting for wm7, so I can run as many program as I like without considering any program being killed by the OS.
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One thing to keep in mind is this: each process takes up system resources (real memory, virtual memory, GDI, etc)
32 is the max system managing capability and that includes processes run by the system not just the ones you start.
The reason you got the low (and different) numbers is most likely because your device ran out of memory before you reached the quota or there were processes running in background you were not aware of.
While the promise of running more than 32 processes on WM 7 architecture is nice we can only hope it will be accompanied by more than 64MB of RAM or it will be pretty useless...
Yes, low memory is another factor that the OS kill one or more processes to free up resources. Supposedly WM7 is based on CE 6 kernel that should allow storage card to be used as RAM, if that is the case which means the distance between desktop and handheld device will be much closer.
Using SD as RAM is about the last thing you want to do!
I have not heard of this feature but even the fastest cards (assuming the device will have a faster bus to support these speeds) are too slow to act as RAM.
Or perhaps you are referring to using it as swap space like the hard drive on a PC? That can work but speed would still be sacrificed.

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