ChARMeD - Disassembler for ARM CPU - Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General

Hi,
This is the program i mentioned earlier,
IT IS STILL IN BETA
so it has a problem here and there,
but i had only three days to work on it
when i get a chance from work and university i will try and add the analyzer *gulp* etc
let me know if it looks useful, pm me or post reply
(oh and if anyone is interested in hosting on the web pls let me know too)
(i hope posting this here is ok)
thanx for ur interest toenailed
latest version available at
http://carolos.za.net/

charmed on ftp
hi,
also put charmed.zip in root of ftp

tnx .. carolos
i was looking for a Good dissassembler from ages now ......
i will try it and give my feedback later.. ( :wink: )
anyway i will split this post ..
and put it in Developing and Hacking section ..
so other can see also your app ..
tnx again .. n looking forward for your future upgrade especially the analyzer .. .. tnx so much
-toe

it works!
It seems to work pretty good! Great job man!

carolos,
will it be too much to ask you for a small program to delete files and/or folders for WM2k5? Something like the old AutoRun.exe-Config.txt program; where you can list the folder/file names in a file for deletion.
If not, does this already exist? Could you point me there?
Thanks.

hi acmorfe
hmmm...
to tell you the truth
i started playing with windows ce 2.0
then i left portable devices until recently (about a month ago)
because i got a phone that has windows ce 2003 se
so i am a bit rusty
but if you want a program that does it on the phone itself
there was like ms cmd for pocket pc or something like that
i think you could possibly make it run a .bat or .cmd file on execution
and i think you can add the that to the registry of your ppc
i wont be able to write anything anytime soon...
because
1) i dont have the ms sdks
2) they are too big to download
3) internet access is really expensive here
sorry i hope info helps, good luck

Charmed BETA 0.2
hi,
gee 59 downloads already...
well i hope everyone who downloaded beta 0.1
will download beta 0.2
added 17 mnemonics
and fixed some mnemonics that were too restrictive
for full info look at help
-bye

Re: Charmed BETA 0.2
Why are you developing this program? You cannot make anything that would be as useful as an IDA (www.datarescue.com). You'd better spend your time on IDC scripts or developing a processor module for ARM if you don't like IDA's builtin disassembler (which is really great in 4.80).

didn't everyone at one point in their live write their own disassemblers?
http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/projects/disassemblers/
willem

@mamaich: I just wanted to point out the same thing.

the only sence of making a disassembler - is to integrate it into a really useful program for all PocketPC developers: a good and stable debugger.

http://www.datarescue.com/idabase/wince/index.htm
i beta tested it, i works very nicely, much better than the evc debugger.
willem

@itsme: Very nice. How are we supposed to wait till "Q2-Q3 2005"?

Re: hi acmorfe
carolos said:
hmmm...
i wont be able to write anything anytime soon...
sorry i hope info helps, good luck
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Carolos, thanks anyways.
Guys, what programming language would you suggest that i study for programming stuff for PPC (WM2k5)?

Re: hi acmorfe
acmorfe said:
carolos said:
hmmm...
i wont be able to write anything anytime soon...
sorry i hope info helps, good luck
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Carolos, thanks anyways.
Guys, what programming language would you suggest that i study for programming stuff for PPC (WM2k5)?
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hi again,
c++ (embedded c++) would probably be the best
because you can do anything u like with it
but there are other options
c# and visual basic (visual studio 2005)
but they rely on the .net frame work, which is kinda like the java Virtual Machine, only microsofts version, it allows them to port applications to any os easily (even mac probably if there is a .net vm for mac)
good luck

Re: Charmed BETA 0.2
mamaich said:
Why are you developing this program? You cannot make anything that would be as useful as an IDA (www.datarescue.com). You'd better spend your time on IDC scripts or developing a processor module for ARM if you don't like IDA's builtin disassembler (which is really great in 4.80).
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last time i checked ida was not free
and also there was no built in assembler? was there?
mamaich said:
the only sence of making a disassembler - is to integrate it into a really useful program for all PocketPC developers: a good and stable debugger.
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charmed was intended to be a debugger...
but disassembler must be finished first...
oh yah and ida is not 250k

i knew about the new ida with remote debugging
even before i started charmed
but its not free!!!

Charmed BETA 0.3!
hi
toenailed requested some upgrades
charmed now has an export to .html and .txt
and a search
yay!
does anyone want this program???
please post if you think its useful else
its gona stay at 0.3
it was never supposed to go beyond 0.1 anyway
i wrote it for my own use and 0.1 was good enough

Thank you very much. I like it. As you said, IDA is not free, hence the reason I don't have it. Now to just figure out how to make small changes. Thanks for your hard work.

@carolos: Why don't you start a new project at sf.net? So others might help and someday it may become better than IDA - who knows.

Related

xda CE 2005 Project

We seem all to be waiting for a version to leak of the CE 5.0 for our devices, and at the same time we seem to think that this will not happen due to the fact our providers are going to want to ship it on new devices and not upgrade the old ones.
Well Mwang put me in the mood to do some searching and this is what I found.
Because Windows CE is in components, you can create a custom version of the OS that includes exactly the elements your particular device requires—no more and no less. Using the Windows CE development tool called Platform Builder, you can create a customized version of the OS, called an "image," that you then download onto your device hardware for debugging. If your hardware is not available yet, you can run your image and debug your applications on the included x86 emulator. That allows the end-user application developer and the low-level system software developer to work in parallel on the same project.
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http://msdn.microsoft.com/embedded/getstart/bring2market/plan/learn/windowsce/default.aspx
Well it seems that you can download a 120 days trial version which would mean you would have to flash your device in 120 days.
Windows CE Evaluation Version
Windows CE integrates reliable real-time capabilities with advanced Windows technologies to rapidly build a wide range of innovative, small-footprint devices. The evaluation version is a 120-day trial version of Windows CE, valid from the day of installation. The CD and DVD versions include a copy of Microsoft eMbedded Visual C++ 4.0 Service Pack 4. The Evaluation Edition (download) requires you to download eMbedded Visual C++ separately.
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http://msdn.microsoft.com/embedded/getstart/evaluate/default.aspx
Think this is the homepage
http://msdn.microsoft.com/embedded/windowsce/default.aspx
So what is stopping us ?? Or Cant I read?
Any body in the mood for this??
Downloading now What could go wrong ?
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...50-D311-4F67-9FB3-23E8B8944F3E&displaylang=en
Does this work for you gues ?
I tried this a while back.
Its not as easy as it sounds, firstly you have to correctly setup all the drivers for the hardware.
I wouldnt garantee that it has stuff like the phone apps ready to be compiled in either.
lastly, you have to make it into the correct format for the installer prog, I dont know if the package will output a himaupload.exe compatible rom.
Let me know how you guys do though, it would be nice to compile our own OS!
It's installing on my computer :shock: i want it on my PPC
Well I found a 30 min tutorial on the platform builder and it looks like a lot of the stuff is around (Wifi), What we will miss is the camrea app, but hell its a start.
Ps cant find that link anymore, and the posted link works great.
MDAIIIUser said:
Well it seems that you can download a 120 days trial version which would mean you would have to flash your device in 120 days.
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Im sure it's a 120 days from the day you install it on your Desktop PC :?
definatly not as easy as you think!
i had the older version and i made some images for X86 machines (to make them thin clients)
you need every driver for the device that it will be installed on so theres alot more required than just the platform builder,
check it out anyway, its still fun to use and you can make custom CE's for old PII machines (routers, thin clients etc)
Well Bosjo, would that not give you 119 days to post a BA Rom?
@MDAIIIUser
Well i dont know, but Im guessing that the ROM itself will expire 120 after Desktop installation
@bosjo
Well you better hurry up and do good documentation so that I can rebuild your posted rom in 118 days.
@MDAIIIUser
Ha ha ha, well don't get your hopes up, Im just a plumber that bought a BA to save some time and get projects more organized........... Well that what just to be a laughf, this device has eaten every spare second I have had since the day i bought it, and it's still crappy...............
What? You mean you can use it as a phone, thought it was only good for the pocket solitair, how did you do it? and can I read it on wiki?
You see I am True born again MDAIIIUser and
"I haveth faith in thou"
I've pu the windows CE 5.0 installer in the upload folder
Good job you got this , see your pm
Hmmm... well, if someone can create a ROM that won't expire or brick my device, I'm willing to help with testing...
Let me know if you need me...
hehe. Its impossible to create WM2005 from the stuff offered with the trial WinCE 5.0 Platform builder.
Hint: WM5 has version 5.1. PB offers 5.0
im wondering.. where would you get ALL the drivers from? im sure HTC will not be willing to help us here..
@Manich
I truly respect your post and I am very much aware of not having your knowlege, insight, understanding, hacking competence.
That is why I am amember of this forum, to learn from people like yourself in order to try and get the best for my device. To share what I have learnt with others (I use wiki for that).
So please, please share with us a better idea of how we can get 2005 on a BA. It would save me a lot of time searching on the net, uploading sdk that are of no use as well as moving files on the ftp.
A "it cant be done answer" I could accept if it came from somebody else without your knowlege and I remember reading that somebody wrote something along the lines if it can run it can be cracked (smile).
With alll due respect
MDAIIIUser
Generally it cannot be done as you don't have a board support package for BA or other compatible platform. With lots of hacking and reverse engeneering you can write all drivers and all applications absent from Platform Builder (like cprog, SMS client, SIM toolkit, etc), but it would be only a waste of time. It would take as much time and would be as useless as making a Linux for BA. Better buy a device that originally ships with OS you want.
The only hope for getting WM5 on BA is that some person from MS would offer it or someone would get a device with such a ROM. Even a locked device with a signed ROM would help.

smth. like HIEW but with ARM support wanted

hey guys,
IDA is a powerful tool, but sometimes it is better to use something a bit quicker,smaller and easier. HIEW is a great stuff too [i love it from its very beginning], but it have no support of non-x86 cpu's
is there any PE-viewer with build-in ARM-disasm?
I don't think there is such a tool though it would be nice to have one.
If you are a registered HIEW user you can ask SEN to implement an ARM disassembler, or, better, to add support of plug-in assembler/disassembler DLLs.
looking on SEN's posts @wasm.ru, i doubt that such a plugins will be ever possible in HIEW. he don't want a global changes in HIEW.
yeah, maybe BIEW will be a good replacement, if i'll have a time to code a plugin for it.
ChARMeD Disassembler
Hi you can use charmed, thats exactly what it does
just right click and use assemble
Was available since 2005
Download at:
http://carolos.za.net/software.html
There is also a Beta version of ChARMeD that runs on the actual Pocket PC itself:
Download at:
http://blog.carolos.za.net/2007/02/charmed-disassembler-beta-01-for-pocket.html

Melody [0.7 Source Uploaded]

Hey all,
I'm working on a new mp3 player for windows mobile devices. I took inspiration from the iPod function in the iPhone. This should integrate well with the existing iPhone based themes for windows mobile devices.
I'm using .NET CF, PythonCE and flash to create the app.
Here's the youtube link of what it looks like so far:
Melody 0.8 Final Sneak Peak!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNUyIHEIv-M
Enjoy .
Chad.
To everyone who has problems with current Melody:
Just to let you guys know, I've officially stopped the development of the .NET version of melody, and I've started intense learning of C++ Win32 development. Having said this, I wont be able to support any errors or problems you might have with the .NET version, in an effort to have a native version of melody out ASAP. Once this is done, a new thread will be created. However, I have posted the source for version 0.7, and anyone is free to pick it up and even release new versions if they so desire.
You can check out the C++ implementation of Melody (PocketMelody) here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1689445#post1689445
Coding Team:
Thundershadow14
Chrismrulz
Dosfan (Created the scroll routine from scratch)
gingercat (Created user control for dosfan's routine)
Graphic Designer/Layout Strategist:
Youmeus
Steph99
Updates:
Source for Version 0.7 Uploaded. You're free to do whatever you'd like with it .
Requirements:
.NET Compact Framework 2
Flash Player 7 ActiveX
Pythonce (http://downloads.sourceforge.net/py...219-setup.exe?modtime=1166570322&big_mirror=0)
Your mp3 collection.
File Releases:
Melody 0.8 PRE Release
Melody 0.8
-0.81
Post will be updated, upon every new release. Thanks for this suggestion guys.
Installation Instructions:
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Step 1: Copy cab file to your device.
Step 2: Install cab file, to either storage card, or main memory.
Step 3: Goto: Start -> Programs -> Melody
Step 4: Enjoy!
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If you follow these instructions and it still doesn't work, you've identified a bug. If so, please let us know by posting your results on the forum.
Looks pretty cool.. next time please use a better camera though
What phone is that? Pretty snappy.
Nice...!
Can u upload this programs for us ??
Thanks for your works...!
Very well done
good work man,
do you post the files , i`d like to try that great application , and give you feedback
can you post the files now?
i have some application whid finger scroll , search for my name and you can find posts off some applications finger friendly, and after that you may contact the autors and ask for help to improve finger scroll in your app
good program
yes please...link for the application..
looks pretty good
is there going to be landscape mode with the finger scrolling?
Files
Hey guys,
Thanks for the responses, I'll post files up as soon as I get home.
@Marcos200
Thanks as well, I'll be checking out those apps ASAP.
-Chad.
It really looks pretty cool !!! great job !! can't wait !
cant wait to try will you be posting the files soon
Man, please don't become a film maker. The phone was so blurry that I am now dizzy.
All phones really need to have flush screens like the Touch so you aren't digging your finger in the corner or hit the side when scrolling on the screen.
The application looks nice, is it heavy on system resources?
maevro said:
All phones really need to have flush screens like the Touch so you aren't digging your finger in the corner or hit the side when scrolling on the screen.
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No doubt. It took him like 5 tries to hit the X button at one point.
OMG!! faster upload it up!!!
Crap!!!
the movie i mean...the software looks promising though.
Looks promising...
any chance you could code it in native.....C+?
Seed123 said:
Looks pretty cool.. next time please use a better camera though
What phone is that? Pretty snappy.
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i think this is a dell x30 not a ppc phone.. its a regular pda probably with the upgraded specs of 624mhz instead of 312 and its still on wm2003se no way its wm5.. i miss thesed ays but i dont miss losing my info for a depleted battery
FILES
Okay, just to answer some questions:
Coding in native C? I've done some C programming before, but doing the album art animations in C seems very near impossible for me. I'll definitely take a look at it though.
The Machine:
Yes, it's an old Dell Axim X30 High, with 620mhz. Which is why I would love to hear how it performs on phones, that usually have much slower processors. I've got some ideas for speed improvements, but looking forward to your feedback guys.
Please note though, I didn't really want to release so soon, but all the requests have made me go against what I originally thought was a good release candidate point. In other words, EXPECT BUGS! Lol. And PLEASE READ THE README file if you want things to work properly.
Download Link: http://www.sunatrise.com/iMedia_Player 0.1 Beta.zip
Thanks!
Chad.
thundershadow14 said:
Okay, just to answer some questions:
Coding in native C? I've done some C programming before, but doing the album art animations in C seems very near impossible for me. I'll definitely take a look at it though.
The Machine:
Yes, it's an old Dell Axim X30 High, with 620mhz. Which is why I would love to hear how it performs on phones, that usually have much slower processors. I've got some ideas for speed improvements, but looking forward to your feedback guys.
Please note though, I didn't really want to release so soon, but all the requests have made me go against what I originally thought was a good release candidate point. In other words, EXPECT BUGS! Lol. And PLEASE READ THE README file if you want things to work properly.
Download Link: http://www.sunatrise.com/iMedia_Player 0.1 Beta.zip
Thanks!
Chad.
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WM6 Wizard - NET CF2
gave a DISP_UNKNOWN error.
EDIT:Noticed it needed the OpenNetCF. Downloading....
wow
what did you use to video that? Made me sick. program looks cool!
please keep up workin on this, looks quite promising.
Merlin_reloaded said:
WM6 Wizard - NET CF2
gave a DISP_UNKNOWN error.
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Where exactly did it give that error??

Running Android on Hermes

Hi guys,
I saw some forum topics about running succesfully running google's android on the kaiser and the vogue!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383695 (Kaiser)
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265 (Vogue)
The source for all those things is this page,
http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/
see here for an video on the kaiser...
http://echofloripa.blogspot.com/2008/04/android-in-kaiser-t-mobile-mda-vario.html
Do you think some linux experts are capable of running it on the hermes(tytn)?
I am not an expert on this, but i tried the Kaiser files on the hermes, but it didtn load the kernel right..
You dont have to flash your hermes for this, only running an exe on the hermes....!
TripleQ said:
I am not an expert on this, but i tried the Kaiser files on the hermes, but it didtn load the kernel right..
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If you will compile the kernel for Hermes, you can probably start the android runtime.
this will be cool....
keep us informed
cr2 said:
If you will compile the kernel for Hermes, you can probably start the android runtime.
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i'm a newbie in linux but i'll try to search about it. i think that in POF's web are a hermes linux kernel...
Yeah the idea off running android on the Hermes is very cool!
I dont have the knowledge to get this working...but the guys from the kaiser and the voguage(touch) forums where capable enough let it work..
Is anybody here smart enough for this?
ilion said:
i'm a newbie in linux but i'll try to search about it. i think that in POF's web are a hermes linux kernel...
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Interesting...here's POF's Linux thread started in 2006 and still active!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=273579
Any news?
I have seen compiled versions of the kernel for the Kaiser and the Vogue, but if anyone has a compiled kernel for the Hermes I willl test it out (I have three at home )
And the wait continues . Now with the Android developer challange closing Im despirate to get Android on my Hermes before it finally dies after being dropped for the 200th time.
The major boos tint his will be when the memcard drivers are written - the Hermes is low on RAM as far as I understand, and thus has problems. Once everything can be run from the card, it will be pretty trivial for someone who know what they are doing to recompile the kernel.
Doesn't seem to be much recent progress though!
Seemingly I can't spell.
It doesn't look like it is going to be easy getting this working as the controller for the mem card on the Hermes is apparently causing some trouble!
Hi there,
nikc0069 said:
It doesn't look like it is going to be easy getting this working as the controller for the mem card on the Hermes is apparently causing some trouble!
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That's not all!
There are some information that all the android stuff is compiled for ARMV5.
So no chance to drive the hermes with the packages provided.
HTC Kaiser also uses some newer instruction set.
If you got enough spare time, try to compile some of the android packages for ARMV4. That's what hermes is running.
Anyway, there's a lot work to get a suitable linux on hermes.
There had been some breaktrough on universal. Check that out!
Full debian EABI running on this platform!
It was console based first, but there had been a lot of development in the last few month and it has grown to a very useable linux
Hopefully there would be some usable linux on hermes platform too!
There's so much information so far...
...and it is similar to the openmoko stuff.
Maybe we should not waste the time to focus on android.
Regards,
scholbert
Any news?
I want Android for my Hermes
hmm
what?? hmm ... drools
I had just been browsing the web and thought I better keep an eye out for this ... looks awesome.
Looks like a lot of guys have been working to get Android on the TyTN II and just yesterday they were able to make/recieve calls. Im sure once a lot of the bugs are worked out, it can be ported over to the Hermes.
......mmm
Hi,
AdamNimrod said:
Looks like a lot of guys have been working to get Android on the TyTN II and just yesterday they were able to make/recieve calls. Im sure once a lot of the bugs are worked out, it can be ported over to the Hermes.
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that's the theory so far.
TYTN II is equipped with a newer ARM11 with a V5 instruction set (MSM7500) for system OS. Android has been designed to run on these new processors.
Fantastic work had been done by those guys to make it run!!!
TyTN uses older instruction set... i wrote this before.
Anyway, if there'll be some mods in the source code it perhaps will do some day.
Another complex part is all that GUI stuff. There's nothing to be found about the ATI 2282, the hermes is using for graphics.
Due to this fact there's only a very simple framebuffer in the current linux port for hermes, no ATI specific code for the GUI.
Maybe some of the masterminds out there will solve this issue some day .
At least i'm very interested in some source code for the ATI Imageon 2282 !
Anyone???
scholbert
scholbert said:
Another complex part is all that GUI stuff. There's nothing to be found about the ATI 2282, the hermes is using for graphics.
Due to this fact there's only a very simple framebuffer in the current linux port for hermes, no ATI specific code for the GUI.
Maybe some of the masterminds out there will solve this issue some day .
At least i'm very interested in some source code for the ATI Imageon 2282 !
Anyone???
scholbert
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http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=55
if that is correct info athena has this same ati chip. And when I looked at the Athena/Android project, someone has allready made something with graphics. Look at this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393389
it says graphics done!
Hope this helps in any way.
Hi sniveri,
thanks for the links.
...if that is correct info athena has this same ati chip. And when I looked at the Athena/Android project, someone has allready made something with graphics. Look at this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393389
it says graphics done!
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HTC Athena uses ATI W2284. Maybe this part is very similar to W2282 on hermes.
Anyway, if you have a look in the patch, they also use vsfb (very simple framebuffer) driver for graphics.
This is the same like hermes, maybe it's O.K. for testing.
There's not much ATI specific code inside.
Still would enjoy to have a look on some ATI imageon driver code
Regards,
scholbert
I have unpacked two initrd-images and tried to found out what those contains. First one that works on hermes has init-file that is straigth link to /bin/busybox. After starting busybox it continues to inittab script to set environment settings or so I think.
Second initrd-image, that is made for kaiser or vogue, has someway compiled init file or something that I can not edit with any program..? It would be nice to know what scripts or commands this file contains.
Wow,it is cool.
I hope some expert can make Android run on our phone.

[Required]Gif non-mfc class

Hi guys,
I need a vs2005 compilable version of c++ unmanaged code to use on a today plugin.
I have a few classes that I found somewhere but they're quite heavy on the dll...
Problem is I only find mfc classes and since today plugins are a mfc "no go" i'm left empty handed...
Thanks
philocritus said:
Hi guys,
I need a vs2005 compilable version of c++ unmanaged code to use on a today plugin.
I have a few classes that I found somewhere but they're quite heavy on the dll...
Problem is I only find mfc classes and since today plugins are a mfc "no go" i'm left empty handed...
Thanks
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Check here:
http://www.xdp.it/cximage.htm
It's a wide imaging API in aC++ (look for the PocketPC port in downloads section). There will be a lot of things that you may not use... but it includes gif support may be you can extract it from there....
Hope this helps.
APBilbo said:
Check here:
http://www.xdp.it/cximage.htm
It's a wide imaging API in aC++ (look for the PocketPC port in downloads section). There will be a lot of things that you may not use... but it includes gif support may be you can extract it from there....
Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the quick reply apbilbo!
I'm using that one for now. Yesterday I ripped the code down to gif-bmp support only, but still the final dll was about 400kb... too large!
I'll still be trying to rip extra-funtions since i ripped only the classes and includes for now..
Do you use it on throttle?
philocritus said:
Thanks for the quick reply apbilbo!
I'm using that one for now. Yesterday I ripped the code down to gif-bmp support only, but still the final dll was about 400kb... too large!
I'll still be trying to rip extra-funtions since i ripped only the classes and includes for now..
Do you use it on throttle?
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Throttle code is MFC . Also it doesn't have gif support (other than the one provided by the IImagin api).... for now .
APBilbo said:
Throttle code is MFC . Also it doesn't have gif support (other than the one provided by the IImagin api).... for now .
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your right... should have remembered that when I saw the .exe on the today plugin version..
Do you happen to know a sweet simple template for .net today plugin programming?
the one on the msdn site is pretty crappy :S
philocritus said:
your right... should have remembered that when I saw the .exe on the today plugin version..
Do you happen to know a sweet simple template for .net today plugin programming?
the one on the msdn site is pretty crappy :S
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nope sorry... that's the only one I know

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