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Has no one realised yet, that we have none of the major xda developers from the other forums?
IMHO, we've got the best device out there, but we are far from having any decent ROMs or specially tweaked home-brewed apps!
Why? Because most of the developers do not have an Athena and are probably happy with their devices.
I think we should start up a little fund/paypal account to be held by xda-developers for whichever developer takes on our plight of either cooking a special ROM just for our Athena's or other tweaked apps, or even better to get the developer an Athena (via our contributions).
It's all talk unless we do something. I've had most of the best PPC/Phone devices from HTC and I have to say this forum (whilst I love the community spirit an all) is the slowest in terms of development i.e. cooking up ROMs and tweaked apps and that's no disrespect intended to the people here who are already employed in the Industry. I'm no guru, but am willing to donate to get things moving. As far as know, ther's no official WM6 ROM for the Universal, yet there are several WM6 ROMs available for it etc...
Does anybody else share my views or am I barking up the wrong tree here?
I'm with you... happy to donate if we can get some movement into this space. I'm especially afraid that HTC will release their WM6 and we won't get any help trying to get it onto the AMEO
We need more support.
marcoma said:
I'm with you... happy to donate if we can get some movement into this space. I'm especially afraid that HTC will release their WM6 and we won't get any help trying to get it onto the AMEO
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Agree with you 100%. If we get enough feedback in this thread, we can put up a request for developers in the news thread and the relevant forums like the Universal & Hermes forums, as between those two devices, they have everything our devices have and the gurus there would know how to overcome the issues we struggle with.
We don't even have a decent dialer cab or WM6 Media player as default. A lot of these apps must be able to be stripped from a WM6 ROM for the VGA Universal, which should work in our devices.
We also need people who are skilled at converting QVGA apps to VGA. I'd do it if I knew how to.
I've got a dumped HTC Touch ROM and a WM6 ROM for both the Hermes and Universal, but I'll be damned if I knew what to do with it other than flashing it to the appropriate device.
See my point....
This explains my thought process a lot better. You know what they say...a picture sometimes tells the story much better:
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/hermes-black-rom-announcements/9795-black-iv-shadow-released.html
hey i think its a great idea.
so am i eligible for the free ameo/advantage ???
jokes apart, the reason i guess that not many people are jumping on to ameo is that
a)it is percived to be a big device, not suitable for daily use as a phone
b)it is damn expensive
c)with htc royaly dumping people with older devices (Uni,wizard) and the relative ease with which one can cook different roms (including wm6 roms for it)
d)i think that athena has "missed the bus" had it been released a couple of months earlier then probably soneone would have CID unlocked it and you could have beta tested wm6 roms for it.
i remember that for universal the rom scene really heated up when aku 3.5 was released on newer devices but not for Uni.
also i think the reason why a large no of people got the universal was its large vga screen with a usable keybord and the then newly released wm5,
if you really look at ameo there is really nothing it brings to the table.
if you really want to kick-start ameo's rom development...
get someone to leak the wm6 rom....
and beg/steal/kill for a FREE cid unlock
i think most would pay for a guaranteed wm6 update and cid unlocker but if we get no where could be a waste especially if there is an ameo update in a few weeks. and if every ameo / athena owner paid £5.00 that would pay 4 a device i assume thay must be hundreds of people with one its a great device assuming you have a headset and you appreciate not having to squint like with the universal.
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i think most would pay for a guaranteed wm6 update and cid unlocker but if we get no where could be a waste especially if there is an ameo update in a few weeks. and if every ameo / athena owner paid £5.00 that would pay 4 a device i assume thay must be hundreds of people with one its a great device assuming you have a headset and you appreciate not having to squint like with the universal.
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apparently lot of people prefer to squint and infact want to squint more (waiting for Omni with wvga in a similar sized screen)
did you guys try the spb dialer (the black one )...IMHO it is better than the wm6 one...at leat it supports video call
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apparently lot of people prefer to squint and infact want to squint more (waiting for Omni with wvga in a similar sized screen)
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My eyes are getting too old to squint....LOL.
The unit is an excellent unit with much more potential than we are seeing right now! I agree and would also donate to this cause to get someone who owns one, and is capable of helping us solve some issues.
IMHO, I think that maybe people are waiting for the official release of WM6 by HTC and others for this device before really tearing into it.
Just my .04 cents worth........Later
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did you guys try the spb dialer (the black one )...IMHO it is better than the wm6 one...at leat it supports video call
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Yes, the SPB black dialer is so much better than the f-ugly green one!!! Now if I could only find a black comm manager instead of that same f-ugly green one, I would be a happy boy......
Later............
mackaby007 said:
IMHO, we've got the best device out there, but we are far from having any decent ROMs or specially tweaked home-brewed apps!
Why? Because most of the developers do not have an Athena and are probably happy with their devices.
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I agree that the Athena is absolutely excellent, and that we need developers.
However, I got the same feeling when I got the TyTN. I'm guessing more beginners and advanced users will pick up a Athena, and if the user count is going up, so is the customizing...
I'm more than happy to Paypal money at someone (Can I use Paypal as a verb?), just so I can eventually see a ROM like Black - IV - Shadow running in glorious VGA Landscape on the Athena.
apphoen said:
I'm more than happy to Paypal money at someone (Can I use Paypal as a verb?), just so I can eventually see a ROM like Black - IV - Shadow running in glorious VGA Landscape on the Athena.
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Agree with you on the Black IV Shadow on the Athena. But it's great to see that most of us with an Athena are prepared to do more to get things rolling. Good feedback peeps. Will have to put the word out after the HTC ROM release/update, if it does not prove to be up to scratch, not forsaking CID & Sim unlocking.
I agree with you
I think most of us is willing to chip in some money considering if each of us have to pay GBP20 for cid unlocking (not including of postage!).
We need to have Gurus here or we will be left behind with all kind of development. But who ?..there are quite a number out there
like apphoen..."I'm more than happy to Paypal money at someone "
I'm not sure....
The hackers and crackers do it for fun and because they love their device - NOT because they are being paid for it.
I am quite happy to donate to the forum but can you imagine the pressure that would be put on a developer if we'd paid him? There is no perfect WM6 for the Universal but the guys all work for nothing doing a great job.
If people were paying you would get the inevitable - "this doesn't work, what am I paying for, fix it now!" type comments and who wants prssure like that?
I think we are just going to have to wait until one, or preferably more, clever people get their hands on an Athena and start doing it for fun.
I love my Athena - the screen is gorgeous (I am old and don't like squinting either) I'm disappointed with the keyboard compared to the Universal but other than that I love it - but can't wait for a decent WM6!
Just my 2d's worth
my point is MAYBE this device is quite expensive to some of the developer (no offence), by contributing one or more to our developer hopefully they will bring "live" into our forum..yeah i agree there should be no pressure as they do it for fun..
regards...
Hi,
I will be glad paying some money to improve our machine !!!
Do you think the changes should be done over the actua WM5 version we are actually running ? or this should be done over the coming WM6 version ...... I hope some of the know gaps would be fixed on the new one ....
By the way, I understand what SIM unlock means but .... what do you mean by CID unlock ?
Thanks a lot everybody.
Best regards,
Alberto
For me the first step is to have a tool to unlock a cid but unfortunately i have no idea how to do, imei check have the solution but they provide it online why ?
Because they are afraid from thief but they will more client than by mail.
I love my athena and i want more stuff so please xda guru help us to enjoy our phone
Pretty much what the title says. Any speculation over whether we will get wm7 running?
we have so many fine chefs in the forum, i say YES to it.
i would say yes, but i am not quite sure, if i am sooo happy about it. i mean, i like wm6.5 and looove the BA, but even in wm6.1 and of course now in wm6.5 there are many things additional that many people want for their phones but the os alone can't help it, many things are only available for vga/wvga devices and even if we can make the ui better and make it look nice, a BA will never become the same as the "big" phones like touch diamond, touch hd...
you can do a lot with the device and even add a lot of features, that's what i always try to explain to my friends. the software features of a wm phone are basicly all the same, there is a lot of potential in each and every device, the things that really matter when buying a new device is the hardware specs: wlan, accelerometer... things you can't install afterwards.
in conclusion i would say wm7 will work o the BA, but i doubt that you can use the full experience, since the resolution of qvga might not be enough for most add-on apps, and without accelerometer, light sensor and other gimmicks, maybe some basic ui features might be missing.
i think this is going to be a very interesting thread, thx hardingt0110
Chef_Tony
Well i can not answer this yet, when WM7 is publically available and more developers have fixes for core and driver issues which will emerge with the new CE OS it may be remotely possible
But for now my answer is NO, we will not see WM7 in Blueangel, the new CE core will be incompatible, a BA ce core should be generated via platform builder and the blueangel BSP, also all drivers must be rewritten from scratch, and noone outside HTC and Microsoft have the BSP,and (i only talk for myself here) i do not have such development skills to do it
I think the answer is may be work,I dont understand the mechanism of the internal properties and small details of the BA hardware, but for long time they said there is no wm 5 for magician(i mate jam),before like a month a russian developer called cotulla made it and now the wm 6.1 runs at magician.
really we trust that BA developers will make it too.
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Well i can not answer this yet, when WM7 is publically available and more developers have fixes for core and driver issues which will emerge with the new CE OS it may be remotely possible
But for now my answer is NO, we will not see WM7 in Blueangel, the new CE core will be incompatible, a BA ce core should be generated via platform builder and the blueangel BSP, also all drivers must be rewritten from scratch, and noone outside HTC and Microsoft have the BSP,and (i only talk for myself here) i do not have such development skills to do it
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How many times have we gone over the same things? I believe that over the last 4 years, I have seen this post and thread (similar anyways) as many times as M$ has come up with/announced a new OS. Same reasons that xplode listed here too...
*different core
*drivers not the same
*hardware is different
and so on and so forth....
Have some faith people... our devices still pack a powerful punch and I don't think the world has seen the last flight of the Blue Angels just yet. So what if we can't tilt the device back and forth? Trust me, I have been using this acceleromenter feature on the Fuze and I am not that impressed. Besides, I am almost certain that something can be created to replace it. The only thing that I would not mind seeing would be multitouch screen, in which case, I would have to admit... we are screwed
Look at it this way guys, many of us have the SX66 variant of the BA, which means no camera. If we were able to get by without cameras for this long (that is for the ones that are still holding onto their dear BA's), I guess we can do away with a few things here and there...
Look into the future with sunglasses ladies and gents, it is gonna be a bright one
well the hardware may support WM7 but there is no software upgrade (core and drivers) for this hardware
take a look at alpine still have no upgrade from WM 2003 and it is powerful device
well in latest OS-es they al are based on CE5 (WM5 - CE5.1, WM6(including 6.1 and 6.5) - CE5.2) so the core is almost the same it was made run with few hex edits, and drivers are the same ones from WM5. For WM7 we now have new CE OS everything is difrend there.
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well the hardware may support WM7 but there is no software upgrade (core and drivers) for this hardware
take a look at alpine still have no upgrade from WM 2003 and it is powerful device
well in latest OS-es they al are based on CE5 (WM5 - CE5.1, WM6(including 6.1 and 6.5) - CE5.2) so the core is almost the same it was made run with few hex edits, and drivers are the same ones from WM5. For WM7 we now have new CE OS everything is difrend there.
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That's true, but I don't think the Alpine ever had too many "enthusiasts" or at least not as many as the Himalaya or the BA. You are right about the specs though... powerful indeed, but I guess since it came out around the birth of the BA, lots of people went for the extra added bulk of the keyboard. Long story short, if you don't have too many devs on it, there isn't much to do...
My two cents
Yeah you are right, but i just gave it as example
We have 6.5 now because we had WM5, but we will have WM7 only if there is such rom made in microsoft and leaked in the process
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Yeah you are right, but i just gave it as example
We have 6.5 now because we had WM5, but we will have WM7 only if there is such rom made in microsoft and leaked in the process
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Like that has never happened before ... I mean, I normally think of M$ as a humongous strainer or a really bad filter
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Like that has never happened before ... I mean, I normally think of M$ as a humongous strainer or a really bad filter
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Well from what I've seen and after working for some related companies, I really don't believe in such thing as a "leak", its done on purpose. Reasons? Free Advertising, creates expectation, free testing w/o risk to "the company", etc, etc, etc. Just look at it that way, and you'll understand me better
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Well i can not answer this yet, when WM7 is publically available and more developers have fixes for core and driver issues which will emerge with the new CE OS it may be remotely possible
But for now my answer is NO, we will not see WM7 in Blueangel, the new CE core will be incompatible, a BA ce core should be generated via platform builder and the blueangel BSP, also all drivers must be rewritten from scratch, and noone outside HTC and Microsoft have the BSP,and (i only talk for myself here) i do not have such development skills to do it
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xplode is just being modest here, sun_dream and helmi_c is probably smiling behind his back now
Even though WM7 may not be able to run on BA due to different core, drivers, etc, I do have faith and believe in developers!
When will WM7 be released... any ideas?
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When will WM7 be released... any ideas?
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I doubt anyone could answer you that, google for your answer.
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I doubt anyone could answer you that, google for your answer.
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Have googled many times, not one site can give a real answer, some report the last quarter or last year..lol. Perhaps one of the talented people here may have a better insight
noone can give definite answer to that because veen the people at MS are no sure yet, but suggested date is sometime autumn 2010
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noone can give definite answer to that because veen the people at MS are no sure yet, but suggested date is sometime autumn 2010
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Thanks Explode, was hoping that my phone upgrade in June might have been with WM7!! And thank you for all the hard work and advice you give us!!
Though I am a fan of Windows Mobile OS, but I still question why do we need new releases from M$? Have you seen any new features and considerable improvements since its release as WM 2003 in the year 2003? Answer is a clear NO, features offered in 2003 ans features offered now after 6 years are exactly the same. I am sure WM7 release will be a big disappointment too. WM6.5 is clearly showing lack of innovations and introduction of new features. Home screen of 6.5 is a big disappointment, today;s screen has made life more complex and omg introduction of honeycomb proved us that how simple interfaces could be made more complex, lock screen is buggy etc etc.
WM has been a leader in smart phones since long but why a newcomer like iPhone could easily push WM years behind the innovations. iPhone clearly proved that even though there are less features packed into it, but whatever is packed is reliable and very user friendly and thats what is appreciated by customers. We are still struggling to resolve wifi issues in wm. PIE or WMP can not stream popular YouTube videos. M2D offers much superior user interface though heavy on memory. I have yet to see a new innovative feature in WM. thats why I ask why do we need another version of WM. M$ team is just chasing features introduced by other players like touchFlo, touch zoom, multiple touches.. If next version of iPhone release in this June offers maps with text to speech directions, WM release will be pushed back by one more year. I am sure new version of iPhone will offer many more new features and I simply pity lack of innovations and leading innovations at M$ house. Chasing behind someone will never give a lead.
I wish M$ has hidden agenda for 6.5 as well for wm7 else I dont see any point in going for WM7 in the near future except if i want to say I have the latest windows mobile on my BA.
I think the topic of this thread should be changed to 'Will we ever need WM7?"
overall from WM5 to WM6.5 there are a lot under the hood improvements, but the UI was almost the same, this will change in WM7
well to answer your question i will say this (this is my personal opinion)
Yes i need constant change so yes i need the change to WM7, but if you as is it worth to upgrade to WM7 i can not answer yet and noone outside microsoft can at this moment
Hi all, I'm new to the Shift scene. After having read the whole 'Shift>Shift' subforum I can see that activity has petered off somewhat since this time last year. One page of threads used to last about half a month, now one page of threads gets us well over a month (I hope you can understand what I' trying to explain there). I plan on bringing together all the ROMs, Radios, Guides, etc into one thread that can hopefully be stickied like in the Xperia X1 forum (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=477801), because at the moment there doesnt seem to be anything like that here.
1)So out of the original members of the Shift project+others (names below):
a) Who still has their shift.
b) Who is still actively looking in to ways to improve it. I.E. at least once a week.
Looking on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375898 at post #18, it looks like the core members were:
ltxda
Olipro
Cmonex
PK
And some good contributors:
Thaihugo
Pawel062
Saiweb
2)Who were actually the official members of the Shift project?
3)Who else was involved in the Shift project?
4)What were the original goals and how many of the goals have been 'scored'? See below
5)Whats are the outstanding goals, i.e. full screen and SD Card in WM ?
6)With regards to 'full screen and SD Card in WM' how far did you get, and what ultimately stumped you?
7)How many Shifts did you buy with the donated money and whose got them now?
If there is anybody with a Shift purchased with the donation money who is not using it anymore, perhaps you could donate it too me so I can continue to try and unlock any more secrets this device holds.
I am now going to start reading the whole 'Shift>Shift upgrading etc.' sub forum starting at page 15 and working to today.
If anyone wants to help me correlate all the ROMs, Radios, Guides etc, any links would be helpful.
8)Does anybody know how many different ROMs and radios there are for the Shift?
Like I say im going to read up now but if someone already knows that would be helpful.
Coming back to question 4, I will give what I think were the goals. Please feel free to add or subtract goals :
a) Get SD card working in WM - Not done
b) Get WM fullscreen - Not done (Limit of MSM7200 is VGA)
c) Get the device HardSPL'd - Done
d) Create custom ROMs - Done
d) Get GPS working in WM side - Done
e) Get GPS working in Vista side - Done
f) See if HDD is upgradable - Done (it is)
g) See if RAM is upgradable - Done (it isnt upgradable)
h) Get mic working on WM - Done
i) Get wifi working in WM - not done
j) Get bluetooth working in WM - not done
The 'Shift Project' ground to a halt when newer, shinier toys came along.
I can't wait to see this project being active again. Right, there are hundreds of devices out there but Shift is still the only one which combines
windows (7/vista/xp) + wm + phone.
Honestly, I would try to answer something not too bitter. Let's put it mildly: The shift project is (has?) probably not working (ed?) anymore (way?) for the shift. They sure got the money, but never delivered. On the other side, any legitimate group trying to help was dead on arrival because of this. Every cluster of developer failed because the shift project was magicaly reapiring to promess a new development.
I would consider this "projects" as a request for a hardspl adaptation for a device. Anything else would have need some other efforts. I think we can be happy with the current possibilities, and move along with it.
Ahhh I see, well lets wait to see what Itxda and comnex have to say, maybe we can get this ol' baby fired up again!
It would just be nice to know where they got with thee SD card and fullscreen WM issue.
Dont give up , keep on trying to solve the sd card , bluetooth and the rest that is not done yet . U can do it . Just try n try again , u know u can do it , concentrate ...
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Honestly, I would try to answer something not too bitter. Let's put it mildly: The shift project is (has?) probably not working (ed?) anymore (way?) for the shift. They sure got the money, but never delivered. On the other side, any legitimate group trying to help was dead on arrival because of this. Every cluster of developer failed because the shift project was magicaly reapiring to promess a new development.
I would consider this "projects" as a request for a hardspl adaptation for a device. Anything else would have need some other efforts. I think we can be happy with the current possibilities, and move along with it.
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1. money was spent on getting device, so it's not like we used it for our living or whatever
2. I don't understand some words, maybe typos? "reapiring", "promess"? please can you rephrase? thanks a lot.
2b. as for not delivering, I would disagree. we got a lot done, even if some of it was leaked by certain members before our group's release also, I can't vouch for what others said, but I never promised that BT or wifi even has a good chance for working.
3. anything else than the hardspl/radio/phone stuff is more work for sure. for example the WVGA mode enabling in ARM part works only half so far.
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1)So out of the original members of the Shift project+others (names below):
a) Who still has their shift.
b) Who is still actively looking in to ways to improve it. I.E. at least once a week.
Looking on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375898 at post #18, it looks like the core members were:
ltxda
Olipro
Cmonex
PK
And some good contributors:
Thaihugo
Pawel062
Saiweb
2)Who were actually the official members of the Shift project?
3)Who else was involved in the Shift project?
4)What were the original goals and how many of the goals have been 'scored'? See below
5)Whats are the outstanding goals, i.e. full screen and SD Card in WM ?
6)With regards to 'full screen and SD Card in WM' how far did you get, and what ultimately stumped you?
7)How many Shifts did you buy with the donated money and whose got them now?
If there is anybody with a Shift purchased with the donation money who is not using it anymore, perhaps you could donate it too me so I can continue to try and unlock any more secrets this device holds.
I am now going to start reading the whole 'Shift>Shift upgrading etc.' sub forum starting at page 15 and working to today.
If anyone wants to help me correlate all the ROMs, Radios, Guides etc, any links would be helpful.
8)Does anybody know how many different ROMs and radios there are for the Shift?
Like I say im going to read up now but if someone already knows that would be helpful.
Coming back to question 4, I will give what I think were the goals. Please feel free to add or subtract goals :
a) Get SD card working in WM - Not done
b) Get WM fullscreen - Not done (Limit of MSM7200 is VGA)
c) Get the device HardSPL'd - Done
d) Create custom ROMs - Done
d) Get GPS working in WM side - Done
e) Get GPS working in Vista side - Done
f) See if HDD is upgradable - Done (it is)
g) See if RAM is upgradable - Done (it isnt upgradable)
h) Get mic working on WM - Done
i) Get wifi working in WM - not done
j) Get bluetooth working in WM - not done
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I got your PM so I'm replying here now
1)
a) I have mine. love it! as for the others, see below
b) well, not once a week currently... :S
c) PK is pawel062. but he left windows mobile scene for iphone :cries: (he never got a shift, tho)
2) you got the "official" members right other than that
3) you got that right too
4) see project thread, but a quick sumup, HardSPL, radio unlocking, phone funct. unlocking, GPS, cooked ROMs, and the low level/hw hacks (WVGA, SD... the others only if possible). I guess other than hw hacks that's been done for the most part
5) yes, those two
6) WVGA half works, I can enable it, picture no good yet. I found SD was disabled in the bootloader where I saw evidence for use of it, no further news right now
7) Shifts: I have one from the project, Olipro too, ltxda got one, which he wanted to send to PK to cook for it but he left the project. I do not know what happened to that shift, as ltxda got distracted by the death of a family member. I'll ask him what's up with that. there is no other money left in the Shift account.
7b) as for sending it to you (ltxda's device), I'd like to know what sort of experience you got, what sort of goals you'd like to try and achieve
by experience I mean: coding experience (and what languages), low level driver experience, reverse engineering experience, etc... but then, I'd like to first know what goals you have in mind as well
8) I have a few radios, ROMs, if you mean stock ones, then not terribly many.
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I got your PM so I'm replying here now
6) WVGA half works, I can enable it, picture no good yet. I found SD was disabled in the bootloader where I saw evidence for use of it, no further news right now
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cmonex
what about BT and WiFi? I was able to check the virtual COM ports for them and tried to enable them and noticed something was blocking it. Were they too disabled at the bootloader?
Thanks
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Vinokirk sweet thnx for stirring up this part of the community.
Our Shift is a 1 off. Keep it, caress it, nurish it.
After the Chinese debacle (Someone having a too large ego and hoaxing about SD) nothing much happened above the surface.
My idea would be that everyone start sharing his findings for making SD , headset mike, and BT work (in respective order)
Like CMonex staed that the WM bootloader disables SD it seems. This seems new info and might spur others to action.
Shift project has delivered beyond expectation in the early days.
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cmonex! Many many thanks for your reply; your information is very valuable to me!
Yes I was devastated reading about Itxdas story, it was truly a tragedy and my heart goes out to him.
Personally my goals (in order) are:
1) SD card
2)'Personal calling' over BT or wired headset.
3) WVGA screen in WinMo
4) Cooking everything into a ROM
But I am very much a community person. If anyone has an idea they would like to see developed, I would try my darndest to make their wish come true!
I have some basic grounding in C++, Pascal (he he he), and Java. I have a friend and brother-in-law who are AMAZING programmers in many languages, so they will be my 'goto guys'.
I have in the past re-written a couple of drivers in windows, but that was a while ago and they weren't low level drivers.
I haven't officially reverse engineered something before, but I have taken loads of things apart to fix, so in a way I have been taking say a phone apart to find out what the problem is.
I have A-levels in Maths and Electronics (they are the UKs 16-18 yr old exams), but nothing at degree level.
I do however have experience with cooking. I have made a couple of my own ROMs for my Xperia X1.
But the main thing is, I have a passion for things like this, as you can see im asking a lot of questions, and posting in a few threads!! So with your guidance I'm sure I could deliver at least something! This would be a great first step into your world and I am really looking forward to getting the opportunity to do so
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2b. as for not delivering, I would disagree. we got a lot done, even if some of it was leaked by certain members before our group's release
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As far as I know, olipro and you weren't part of the shift project first, and they called you to the rescue. So again, I thing the shift project AFAIK, never released a think. They "rebranded" you as shift project because they didn't have a think to provide.
Also, I don't see the leaks you're talking about. Was the group about to release something? Do you mean your radio? Has it anything modified from a 1.27 radio? because otherwse, I think we are all doing the same job here, taking existing roms, modifyng files and releasing them. The trick is to find the right files, and I don't see where any work here is stealing or below somebody elses work. I don't think anybody took a rom from the shift project, modified it and claimed it as it's own.
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Vinokirk sweet thnx for stirring up this part of the community.
Our Shift is a 1 off. Keep it, caress it, nurish it.
After the Chinese debacle (Someone having a too large ego and hoaxing about SD) nothing much happened above the surface.
My idea would be that everyone start sharing his findings for making SD , headset mike, and BT work (in respective order)
Like CMonex staed that the WM bootloader disables SD it seems. This seems new info and might spur others to action.
Shift project has delivered beyond expectation in the early days.
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1) uh yeah I'm afraid it is going to be a one-off from HTC :'( and where is Thoth?? (Athena2) gee HTC really needs to get back on track for making the best usable devices
2) wish those chinese guys had shown more. this way it does seem a hoax.
vinokirk said:
cmonex! Many many thanks for your reply; your information is very valuable to me!
Yes I was devastated reading about Itxdas story, it was truly a tragedy and my heart goes out to him.
Personally my goals (in order) are:
1) SD card
2)'Personal calling' over BT or wired headset.
3) WVGA screen in WinMo
4) Cooking everything into a ROM
But I am very much a community person. If anyone has an idea they would like to see developed, I would try my darndest to make their wish come true!
I have some basic grounding in C++, Pascal (he he he), and Java. I have a friend and brother-in-law who are AMAZING programmers in many languages, so they will be my 'goto guys'.
I have in the past re-written a couple of drivers in windows, but that was a while ago and they weren't low level drivers.
I haven't officially reverse engineered something before, but I have taken loads of things apart to fix, so in a way I have been taking say a phone apart to find out what the problem is.
I have A-levels in Maths and Electronics (they are the UKs 16-18 yr old exams), but nothing at degree level.
I do however have experience with cooking. I have made a couple of my own ROMs for my Xperia X1.
But the main thing is, I have a passion for things like this, as you can see im asking a lot of questions, and posting in a few threads!! So with your guidance I'm sure I could deliver at least something! This would be a great first step into your world and I am really looking forward to getting the opportunity to do so
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I replied to your PM again the public part of that is, I've talked to ltxda about sending the Shift to you. he'll get back to me on that soon.
saiweb said:
cmonex
what about BT and WiFi? I was able to check the virtual COM ports for them and tried to enable them and noticed something was blocking it. Were they too disabled at the bootloader?
Thanks
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it needs more than virtual COM ports.
thaihugo said:
As far as I know, olipro and you weren't part of the shift project first, and they called you to the rescue. So again, I thing the shift project AFAIK, never released a think. They "rebranded" you as shift project because they didn't have a think to provide.
Also, I don't see the leaks you're talking about. Was the group about to release something? Do you mean your radio? Has it anything modified from a 1.27 radio? because otherwse, I think we are all doing the same job here, taking existing roms, modifyng files and releasing them. The trick is to find the right files, and I don't see where any work here is stealing or below somebody elses work. I don't think anybody took a rom from the shift project, modified it and claimed it as it's own.
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nono, of course I didn't mean anything like claiming a rom
Any progress / news ?
Not yet, I'm waiting to hear from ltxda. As soon as I get his Shift project Shift ill be able to start cooking a new ROM. And with the hep of cmonex and others, hopefully crack someof the other issues.
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Not yet, I'm waiting to hear from ltxda. As soon as I get his Shift project Shift ill be able to start cooking a new ROM. And with the hep of cmonex and others, hopefully crack someof the other issues.
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cant wait
some news???
Hi, I'm thinking of how to port android or linux system to TG01, I do think it's possible, but not sure since I've never port android or moblin before.
Here are some of my thoughts:
First, a dual boot software might be used to ensure TG01 won't brick in case of port failure.
Then, can we dump the rom of Nexous one?
Furthermore, is it possbile to use the rom of winmo drives for android system?
Guys interested or skilled in android or linux system or , make contribution please!
The start to both (though it think that you were thinking of MeeGo not Moblin, which was x86 only) is a working Linux kernel.
HaRET is the tool to start the work on a working kernel, and a working kernel is what we need before we even start worrying about a dual boot bootloader.
Dumping Nexus One might help, but I believe it's not the right way. XDAndroid might be a nice starting point for the Android ecosystem, but not necessarily for the kernel. Otherwise I believe that there are some people that work on the HTC HD2, which is a Snapdragon device as well (though there are some differences (e.g. the TG01 has less Ram and most likely different WiFi, bluetooth, accelerometer or whatever chips)).
(I would like to help, but I am no programmer and not experienced with kernel stuff, but I could help with setting up a wiki and trying out stuff)
Please please please have a go. I can't help with anything except a small donation, as the reason I'm going to buy a TG01 is purely because I can't afford an HTC phone at the moment. I was really happy to see a section on the TG1 on here, which was the other reason I decided to go non-HTC.
Thanks to all of you. I can't accept any donation now.
Is there anybody want to set up such a project to port android on TG01?
I already wrote about this in the general section since the way we are trying to run linux/android is not with a rom but over the curent os.
Check this thread I posted it has more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656056
Thanks,
Peter
dogguns said:
I already wrote about this in the general section since the way we are trying to run linux/android is not with a rom but over the curent os.
Check this thread I posted it has more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656056
Thanks,
Peter
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maybe we need to make a detailed research first and then figure out a way to start
in my opinion it would be great.
I played with HTC Magic some time and I must say that Android is awesome. Android's applications are so great and free. We have to be honest WM has nothing if we compare it to Android or Iphone's OS. In WM market we can buy crapp for a lot of money and Android's free great apps in other hands. TG01 and Android would be perfect match
Have a go...
I use HTC HERO as my primary devise and Toshiba TG01 as my secondary device. To be honest Win Mo does not do justice and dsnt fully utilize the ability of the hardware available. Android is mind blowing with regards to the usability and specially because of the number of useful free apps on offer. . Android is the way to go. It can transform this device from a looser to an absolute winner. I bought the device for £139 with Android it would be a steal..
Thank you so much. Keep up the good work. Unfortunately I contribute in any manner except donating for the efforts because I am not experienced in this.
Same i do i came from iphone OS and using htc magic android, and i love thousand apps for iphone and android and quality of theese ; so id like anybody could make something like this.
TG01 is a great device but is quite short in software by now.
Hey,
first of all, this is not the correct forum, I know that, but it would probably be the closest to what I'm looking for.
I just came across this www.firstelse.com
It seems to be a relatively unknown company from Israel, which invented a new phone, unlike any other on the market right now. The device, to be honest, is quite big. Also the fact, that it leaves too much space for hardkey buttons and hearing outputs around the screen is not really chamring,... BUT it features an - in my opinion - really smart and useful operating system, with some genius functions.
There is an almost fully working web-based module on their website, where you can test the handling and functions. It seems very intuitive and some of the functions it has, I am REALLY missing in the smartphone world out there.
One of the most genious functions (imo), which I am missing on any device out there, is this one: http://www.firstelse.com/#/Connect/SilentCommunication
Anyways,... check out the website and maybe this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6O1L1Q4KBM which says a little about the technical stuff.
My question however is,... do you see any chance of having an HTC device running this operating system?
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Hey,
first of all, this is not the correct forum, I know that, but it would probably be the closest to what I'm looking for.
I just came across this www.firstelse.com
It seems to be a relatively unknown company from Israel, which invented a new phone, unlike any other on the market right now. The device, to be honest, is quite big. Also the fact, that it leaves too much space for hardkey buttons and hearing outputs around the screen is not really chamring,... BUT it features an - in my opinion - really smart and useful operating system, with some genius functions.
There is an almost fully working web-based module on their website, where you can test the handling and functions. It seems very intuitive and some of the functions it has, I am REALLY missing in the smartphone world out there.
One of the most genious functions (imo), which I am missing on any device out there, is this one: http://www.firstelse.com/#/Connect/SilentCommunication
Anyways,... check out the website and maybe this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6O1L1Q4KBM which says a little about the technical stuff.
My question however is,... do you see any chance of having an HTC device running this operating system?
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I know ELSE because i read befor alot for them i mean for that company and the ELSE device itself.
The ELSE os is based on LINUX and the device is not Released yet...
Will be Release on the END of 2010 and will 1st by provided by some USA Mobile Operators.
I don`t know the price of that device.. also the Company didn`t say anything about the price, because all this will be up to the OPERATOR so they will have a contract for example with AT&T and the Operator will be able to offer this devices.. to the costumers.
My question is how you can ASK a question like this when this Device is still not released and Nobody know anything for this OS we just know its a Linux Based thats all... so you cannot ask questions like this, because nobody know anything about the OS
I think also that the OS in Else is super and look like ALIEN Software .. so its really something new in the market and also the OS seems to be very fast...
tsalta said:
I know ELSE because i read befor alot for them i mean for that company and the ELSE device itself.
The ELSE os is based on LINUX and the device is not Released yet...
Will be Release on the END of 2010 and will 1st by provided by some USA Mobile Operators.
I don`t know the price of that device.. also the Company didn`t say anything about the price, because all this will be up to the OPERATOR so they will have a contract for example with AT&T and the Operator will be able to offer this devices.. to the costumers.
My question is how you can ASK a question like this when this Device is still not released and Nobody know anything for this OS we just know its a Linux Based thats all... so you cannot ask questions like this, because nobody know anything about the OS
I think also that the OS in Else is super and look like ALIEN Software .. so its really something new in the market and also the OS seems to be very fast...
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Hey,
thanks for the info!
Yeah, I know it is not released yet and that the question might be unreasonable. I was just wondering, since Developers here already started putting their hands on Windows Phone 7 (which is not released yet neither), if you think, if there could be a chance, to somehow easily "copy" or rewrite this kind of Linux Software for HTC devices. It's just because I dont really have a clue about the complexity between hardware and operating systems. Since you can run Windows on an Apple PC, I just thought if someone could already make a guess about compatibility between the ELSE and HTC devices.
Anyways, thanks again! I'm really excited about the ELSE and will definitely follow any updates on this.
Don-Carlo said:
Hey,
thanks for the info!
Yeah, I know it is not released yet and that the question might be unreasonable. I was just wondering, since Developers here already started putting their hands on Windows Phone 7 (which is not released yet neither), if you think, if there could be a chance, to somehow easily "copy" or rewrite this kind of Linux Software for HTC devices. It's just because I dont really have a clue about the complexity between hardware and operating systems. Since you can run Windows on an Apple PC, I just thought if someone could already make a guess about compatibility between the ELSE and HTC devices.
Anyways, thanks again! I'm really excited about the ELSE and will definitely follow any updates on this.
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If we can run ELSE OS on our HTC devices then why not to have cooked Iphone OS ? LOL
tsalta said:
why not to have cooked Iphone OS ? LOL
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well guess what tsalta,... maybe because the iPhone OS is nothing you would want to have, since it is more of a debasement than an improvement?! LOL