Hi there guys, its been a while since posting but I have some great news regarding using multiple bluetooth devices in the car.
A few weeks ago I purchased a Navman 4410 GPS unit for my XDAII. With the new "72" rom the Navman worked perfectly with my XDAII straight out of the box over bluetooth.
Today I installed a Sony Ericsson HBC-30 bluetooth hands free carkit (Which also worked perfectly out of the box). I was interested to know if I could have the GPS unit operating and have the handsfree carkit working at the same time.
I was simply sitting in the carpark, with the GPS connected and onscreen, then I used my other phone to call my XDAII... the call came up on screen (interrupting the GPS screen) I pressed the "answer" button on the Sony Ericsson handsfree kit, and the call came through perfectly!
Once finished with the call I pressed the "hangup" button on the handsfree kit, and then a few quick taps on the screen returned me to the GPS navigation screen.
Certainly not perfect, however it appears that the bluetooth issues are finally getting resolved, and allowing us to begin using the XDAII as it was intended.
Hi Colonel, thanks for your update, it is comforting to know that they are finally sorting out BT problems.
Is there any way to get the phone screen to automatically close after finishing a call? so I don't have to manually close it to get back to my GPS screen?
No I dont think you can. Not without altering the GPS software to continually make sure its "on top" of other windows... but then you'd have a problem with seeing the "incoming call screen" as the GPS software would try to jump on top of it.
I'd be so happy simply if I could make HCB30 and Blutrek G2 headset work side by side on my Qtek...
points are:
1-where coul i get that da***n 1.72 rom for my xda 2
2-where could i get the g2 HS in italy(even worlwide...) or all over the web at reasonable price
help a newbie...
Kolonel,
I can confirm your experience as far as BT GPS is concerned.
I however still have one issue to solve: When the MDAII (=XDA2) can't connect to the GPS (BT off, GPS off, GPS out of reach) and I start TomTom3, TomTom3 keeps searching for the GPS which results in a almost freezing MDA2.
Using rom 1,72 from Qtek I bonded the BT GPS and confirmed the question about assigning a com port.
In TomTom I assigned this (COM5) com port.
All works fine except for the issue mentioned.
Does this sound familiar?
Clues?
BTW in the BT settings screen there is nothing shown about the assigned com port (just free space next to the two lines that should indicate the in- and outbound com ports). I found COM5 to be assigned to BT by trial and error . . .
edsub said:
Kolonel,
I can confirm your experience as far as BT GPS is concerned.
I however still have one issue to solve: When the MDAII (=XDA2) can't connect to the GPS (BT off, GPS off, GPS out of reach) and I start TomTom3, TomTom3 keeps searching for the GPS which results in a almost freezing MDA2.
Using rom 1,72 from Qtek I bonded the BT GPS and confirmed the question about assigning a com port.
In TomTom I assigned this (COM5) com port.
All works fine except for the issue mentioned.
Does this sound familiar?
Clues?
BTW in the BT settings screen there is nothing shown about the assigned com port (just free space next to the two lines that should indicate the in- and outbound com ports). I found COM5 to be assigned to BT by trial and error . . .
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edsub,
Are you using "Bluetooth Tools"? Because I am not, i'm using the native bluetooth stack only.
I am using "Outbound" Com port 5 ONLY for my GPS. My 1.72 rom is the IMATE rom.
Im afraid that i'm not familiar with tomtom. So I cant help you there, sorry.
I am deliberately only using native MS bT stack.
I am only using COM5 for GPS too
What does the BT Settings show under
"Bluetooth Serial Port Setup"?
With me:
"Outbound COM port" checked, but after the colon is a "<not present>" shown.
"Inbound COM port" UNchecked, after the colon is a grayed-out "<not present>" shown.
Like i said I AM able to use the GPS via COM5.
Maybe this issue is a pure TomTom issue, I think your answer could clarify that.
edsub said:
I am deliberately only using native MS bT stack.
I am only using COM5 for GPS too
What does the BT Settings show under
"Bluetooth Serial Port Setup"?
With me:
"Outbound COM port" checked, but after the colon is a "<not present>" shown.
"Inbound COM port" UNchecked, after the colon is a grayed-out "<not present>" shown.
Like i said I AM able to use the GPS via COM5.
Maybe this issue is a pure TomTom issue, I think your answer could clarify that.
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Edsub, thats really weird... mine is:
"Inbound COM port:" UN checked, and after the colon is a grayed out "COM4"
"Outbound COM port:" checked, and after the colon is a black "COM5"
bluetooth
hi guys
im using imate 172 and tomtom 3 with a sony ericsson hb35 it works first time all the time with the standard stack. it works that good i even went and sold my carkit and just got a hold instead :lol:
@Kolonel Klink: I guessed it's strange. What ROM are you using exactly (OS & Extended).
I use the 1.72 Qtek rom with my own Extended Rom (wich is based on the Qtek ExtRom to which I added T-Mobile Nl customisations). I am sure there is nothing regarding Bluetooth in my ExtRom.
I heard from someone who uses the iMate 1.72 OS Rom (with his own cooked ExtRom) that he has the same results as you have.
Just trying to find to cause of this. Maybe I have to reflash to the iMate 1.72?? (shouldnt make a difference as both iMate and Qtek OS ROM's are the same 1.72.00WWE . . . .)
@freelockuk: Most interesting is the origin of your ExtRom. Arent there any Bluetooth enhancements in that ExtRom (like there were in the 1.60.36 T-Mobile NL ExtRom) that maybe make your 1.72 work better than mine concerning Bluetooth?
addition to prev post:
I noticed that there were two BT registry settings missing to get the assigned COMport show in BT Settings.
Also noticed another interesting value:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ExtModems\bluetooth_dun]
With me this one is:
"port"="BSP9:"
In prev versions it was:
"port"="BSP4:"
Can anyone with a 1.72 ROM that has a BT GPS mouse working via SPP AND who can start Tom Tom without the BT GPS mouse 'connected' post their setting of this key??
Okay, i've not cooked my own extended rom. I'm using the stock standard one from iMate.
I did find something odd today. I went into an IT expo and I turned flight-mode on. When I was finished I left and turned flight mode off. Then got in my car. I tried to make a call and it didnt go thru the handsfree kit.
Weird! I had to repair the device. So I did... and it all worked fine again. So I turned flight mode back on then off, and I ended up with the same result. It appears to lose the pairing when you turn the flight mode on.
Very odd!
I still have not found a solution to the behaviour where TomTom locks up the MDA with is isnt able to connect to my BT GPS.
Today I found out that this same behavious accurs on devices (not just MDA, HP too) that use a serial (wired) GPS when they take the current off the GPS . . .
That means:
1. TomTom Navigator can't cope with the situation where it cant connect to the GPS that is installed
2. With me TomTom navigator is not able to use the Bluetooth protocol on its side to cope with the (for Bluetooth GPS quite usual) unavailability of the BT GPS.
Again: Can anyone post me some info on this :?: :?:
Especially the registry items under
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\SerialPort]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ExtModems\bluetooth_dun]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ExtModems\bluetooth_dcn]
are of interest
@ Klink
Thanks for sharing your experiences, I'm watching them with interest.
Just wanted to as you about using your navman and the headset at the same time.
In your first post to this topic, you mentioned your 'carpark' test. I assume you weren't moving at the time, so the navman wasn't trying to give you directions.
What happens when you're driving along, getting instructions (ie. "turn left in 300m") from your navman, and the phone rings? Does the navman stop giving directions while you are talking on the phone using your BT handsfree? When you hang up does it resume giving directions again?
Thanks,
Hooligan
Emtact Trine BT GPS, Bluetrek G3 BT Headset
Like all of you my exprience is that it all works together.
But I've one problem. When navigating with TomTom and there is a incoming phone call and when I accept the call with my headset TomTom continues navigating but the sound of my QTEK2020 is muted during the call. So the instructions of TomTom cannot be heard.
I'm using plain MS BT Stack.
Regards,
Mark
This behaviour seems not the be dependent of the use of a BT headset. I have a carkit and during a call TomTom stays active in background. Sound of TomTom is muted however, which I find nice.
When the phone call is ended, TomTom starts talking again.(also nice)
first of all my nevigation program works great with the jabra 250 bt , it also mutes the program during a call is madeqreceived but :
there is anothe program that is called "ontime" that sends trqaffic status to the imate, using the gprs andthen calculates the fastest root( from junction to juction) and the problem is:
if i want to use buth progtams with royaltek gps bt rbt1000 they both need the com5 port fot bt.
to solve this problem one can use a prog called: "gpsgate" which makes a virtual port for the programs to use so u can use several program with one bt device.
for some it works only with bt tools, for others it doesnt work at all, gos knows why?!
but - if any1 needs a solution - here is one.
have a nice day , spark
QTEK 2020 - 1.72.00 WWE - 1.06.01
Back Pack - jabra 250 BT- royaltek rbt 1000 GPS BT - DESTINATOR3(LIKE TOM TOM 3) - soon will recieve sd 1gb*40
Spark, where did you get 'gpsgate'??
here is the link
http://franson.biz/gpsgate/download.asp
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Hi all, I bought a Qtek S100 and tried to connect it with my BT GPS receiver (Falcom Navi 1). It didn't work properly and I suddely lost te BT icon on the lower right hand side of the S100. It hasn't re-appeared even after several soft resets?
Does the S100 have the sae BT problems with GPS as the xdaII had?
I use BT GPS and the only problem so far is that I have to re-pair them sometimes.
Try Start->Settings->Connections->Bluetooth to get to the same screen as you would get to by clicking the BT icon.
THanks for the reply. Which BT GPS do you use? and with what Navigation program?
Holux GR-231 and TomTom3.
I am having problem with Bluetooth GPS as well. I have 2, one is iTrek Bluetooth GPS and one is ArcoreTech Bluetooth GPS.
Since I have tried both GPS units, I am pretty sure it's i-Mate JAM's Bluetooth problem.
Instead of upgrading my ROM to 1.06.00 WWE, I should have tried it out with version 1.03 first. I upgraded from 1.03 to 1.06 as soon as my JAM finished charging. BIG MISTAKE!
I ended up usiing "Pocket Bluetooth Tool" to designate COM8 (for example) for my GPS. However, if I happen to soft reset or turn of Bluetooth, I would have to pair it again.
I read many article's on the internet and the problem seems to point to the MS Bluetooth stack (instead of Widcomm used in my i-Mate PDA2K - and by the way PDA2K works perfectly with my GPS units).
Hopefuly i-Mate will address this problem during the next ROM update.
So how come Loboman's holux works ok?
Loboman are you using a different BT stack?
I would like to guess that he uses ROM version 1.03...
Jazzedout said:
So how come Loboman's holux works ok?
Loboman are you using a different BT stack?
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I use 1.06.00. All i do is that I tap on the BT icon, choose 'Devices', tap 'New...' and waits until the phone finds the GPS. Then I add it and pair it with the passkey. Then I had to scan all serial ports using a program that Holux supplies (I bet it works with any BT reciever though) to find out that my port was COM5 and finally I set my programs to use COM5. As I previously stated, I do have to re-pair them sometimes for some reason, but I can live with that.
I previously had an Acore unit which worked ok with my iPAQ 5450 (also MS BT stack) in WM2003. It took me all the way from northern Sweden to Barcelona in Spain last summer
I have not used Pocket Bluetooth Tool, but I have read about it. I think that it works without it so far. I also leave my BT on 24/7 since I don't think that it uses too much battery.
I hope things work out for you.
Absolutley no problems with Rom 1.01.01 Ger and Navilock BT-308 GPS-Mouse
I am not sure if the following has anything to do with Bluetooth but at least it cured my Bluetooth vs. GPS problem, for now.
On Club i-Mate's ROM update page, I found out that if the radio version is 1.10, then I am NOT suppose to apply the camera patch. After I uninstalled it, my JAM seems to work better with Bluetooth GPS units. My biggest problems were:
1. Once I soft reset my JAM, I have to re-pair my GPS units.
2. PrymeNav software took a long time to scan for GPS - and crashes sometimes when I designate already-scanned port.
3. Unable to hold two paired GPS units in Bluetooth Device List (though only used on at a time).
I have played with it after I uninstalled the camera patch and to this morning my GPS units still function well. Another key is to turn on the GPS unit and make sure it is linked (as indicated by its LED) - then turn on the GPS software. That way the hardwares are ensured to be linked.
As a side bonus, now I can perform Bluetooth Activesync on my Mac (via PocketMac software). However, I still require Pocket Bluetooth Tool installed on my JAM.
Weird!
anyone has the same problem ?
When I'm using TomTom 5 as navigator and i receive or make a phone call, the navigator stops everything and when a finished my phone call everything comes back again.
Why ?????
I have the same and I thought it was normal beacuse the bt can handle only one device, isn't it?
No
You are wrong because usually bluetooth allow only 1 connection per time of different kind!
For example 1 voice connection to the carkit and 1 data connection to the gps!
Before I had a Nokia 6630 and everything worked perfectly !
Post your appreciated comments!
Bye
Re: No
filippino said:
You are wrong because usually bluetooth allow only 1 connection per time of different kind!
For example 1 voice connection to the carkit and 1 data connection to the gps!
Before I had a Nokia 6630 and everything worked perfectly !
Post your appreciated comments!
Bye
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In fact, I did manage to get 3 connections (GPS, Headset, ActiveSync) at one time w/o problem.
To answer yr original question, my Tomtom 5.0 works fine on phone call.
Help
So can you help me to solve my problem ?
I have an IMate Jam with Rom 1.11 italian,
what's your version ??
Maybe you have updated the bluetooth stack ?
Thanx !
Help
So can you help me to solve my problem ?
I have an IMate Jam with Rom 1.11 italian,
what's your version ??
Maybe you have updated the bluetooth stack ?
Thanx !
BTW, I am using GPS Gate all the time so that I can open 2 GPS software (TT and Routis 2). Maybe that's another reason I didn't have problem.
I have the same problem.
I am using i TREK GPS and Jabra 800.
When im navigating, and in the middle I receieve a phone call, the GPS connection hangs even after the phone call ends.
I usualy make a SR after that and continue navigating.
What is the problem??
Thank you
Same story is with my MDA T-Mobile Compact:
EVERY (I stress it) EVERY time I use it with Jabra BT-800 and GPS receiver BT-338 when OziExplorerCE is on for a short time suddenly Ozi hangs. I try to restart it - no way, when BT option is touched, Magician says: NO BT HARDWARE ON THIS DEVICE INSTALLED. Only SR (sometimes even only HR) helps.
Tried to use JAM_Bluetooth_No_Hardware_Patch-1.CAB - it does not help.
Is there a solution? GURU, wake up, please!
Same sad story. This time it's about PocketGPSMoscow software, GPS BT-338 and SBH-100 BT Hand-free.
Every time there is an incoming call, the device looses BT connection to the GPS module.
Turning BT on and off does help,but doesn't bring much comfort. I hope this is not the BT-338 problem.
Should anyone have any bright ideas on how to find a solution to the problem, many will be very greateful.
It's strange. I really doesn't have any problem w/ my Imate Jam (flashed w/ O2 Traditional Chinese 1.11 rom) using my TomTom BT GPS w/ Sony HBH 600 BT headset.
Maybe you guys can try the following to see if it works. (for rom of 1.11 or later)
1. pair yr GPS w/ the pda.
2. In BT Com port setting, make sure both incoming port for Com4 and outgoing port for Com5 is check
3. Install GPSGate, set input port as Com5 and create virtual port Com6
4. Uninstall TomTom BT GPS driver since U doesn't need it at all
5. In TomTom GPS setting, choose "Other GPS" and choose "Franson VSerial Com6"
Let me know if this works 4 U or not.
Anybody try to upgrate/downgrate the rom version? One man in GSM service said, that BT doesn't work propriety with LEng Keybord install to 1.11 version rom. M.b. with TomTom thу same problem?
If you ask me : the problem isn't with your BT but with the phone.
I only use an GPS BT receiver and if somebody calls me, i pick up the phone and also then the GPS disconnects until the call ended ...
zoom21 said:
Anybody try to upgrate/downgrate the rom version? One man in GSM service said, that BT doesn't work propriety with LEng Keybord install to 1.11 version rom. M.b. with TomTom thу same problem?
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I've got 1.12 and I'm sure GSM is not involved - BT is the dead fish.
Every time I have a BT connection with Jabra and BT-338 simultaneously, EVEN when there is NO incoming calls, BT + GPS hang the Magician.
Unfortunately I do not remember if this bug happens when Only BT-338 is connected. Will check and report.
When I first tried installing this stack (see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=33532 ) my exisiting bluetooth devices - a Jabra BT200 headset and Ambeon GPS both worked, just like that - without re-pairing, the latter with TomTom3.
However, in order to make stereo over A2DP to work I had to hard-reset and reinstall everything. Glad to say A2DP did work! However took opportunity to upgrade from TomTom3 to TomTom5.
Now I've re-paired with the GPS using the new stack, during which it asks if I want ti install a serial port. But it doesn't seem to be recognised by TomTom. And, if I go to the COM tab, and try and add a new port there is nothing in the drop down.
Any ideas?
The BT outgoing port on my magician is fixed at Com5. Maybe because I am using GPS Gate (a program to create virtual Com port so that U can open 2 or more GPS program at the same time), I don't have any problem before and after installing that BT stack.
Maybe U can try GPS Gate too. Just open Com5 in GPS gate and create an virtual port Com6. Then ask TT to connection to Com6.
Thanks but it's all OK
I used this great little free program
http://www.teletype.com/downloads/tty.zip
to test whether the GPS box was actually connected (but not recognised by TomTom) and it was - on COM5!
So I pocked around with TomTom some more, and found that it could pick up a signal on COM5 but if a signal was not there it reported that 'No GPS device' rather than 'No valid GPS signal.'
upgrade tomtom 5 to tomtom 5.1 :wink:
GideonS, did you get BT outgoing port to show up? If so, how? Like you, when I try to select one, it comes up with a blank selector box.
(Maybe I missed something in the thread, but the GPS Gate surely relies on diverting an existing port?)
thanks in advance!
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GideonS said:
I used this great little free program
http://www.teletype.com/downloads/tty.zip
to test whether the GPS box was actually connected (but not recognised by TomTom) and it was - on COM5!
So I pocked around with TomTom some more, and found that it could pick up a signal on COM5 but if a signal was not there it reported that 'No GPS device' rather than 'No valid GPS signal.'
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my tt5 5.21 (5430) + iberia plus 6.3.2 don't recognize my Socket GPS (http://www.socketcom.com/product/GP0820-521.asp)
i used that program you mencioned and it receives data on COM8 as defined by me
i'm at home and i never get a fix inside so i can't test if it's the same situation of the error messages switch
when i do, i'll post the result
HI all!this is my first post on the forum and i am glad to be here!
the problem is i cannot connect the holux 236 to the s100 or magician.
rom version is 1.12.00WWE.I tried pocket bluetooth tools but no luck.
the gps viewer gets nothing and also the destinator pn shows that no gps is available...
please help in any way...a walkthrough would be welcome since i am a newbie with ppc...
thanks in advance and keep up the good work!!
Hi, have you had any success with any other gps reciever opr is this the first one you try?
Suppose you have tries to enter the sw program and then configure the reciever with your magician? Is this where the trouble is?
this is the first one to use.
s100 gives com 5 to the gps but still no luck with ddestinator.states that no gps is present.
maybe a bluetooth stack problem?
could use all the help i can get..............
Ive just ordered a Holux 236 from Fleabay, should be here in a few days, will post my settings if I get it working ok
is the holux 236gps mini actually compatible with the QTEK S100??????????
Hi
Switch on Bluetooth and Pair the device using pass key 0000
Then DO NOT connect the device
Enter GPS Viewer 1.5 and select (Bluetooth) COM Port 6 (may be something else on your device). Select Open GPS and you should start getting data...
Hope that helps
The whole problem is that I cannot get my Qtek 9100 to show the spp slave service. This seems to be a qtek problem because none of my other BT devices will show it either. They showed fine with my old HP 6365. :?
I am not sure in that case... I cannot remember but does it use Widcomm Stack or M$?
I'm not sure what stack they use. I don't think it's Widcomm, because my HP BT keyboard won't connect and the reason is that it says there is no Widcomm stack. Go figure.
if thats the case,how do we solve it?third party software?change bluetooth stack?and if yes how.........?and i thought it would be plug n play...
OK, I have this BT receiver, works perfectly with my mini. Have you added any bluetooth stacks in addition the default ? When you search for devices does the Bt find the Holux? Is it switched on and charged? Don't know how new you are to bluetooth devices, but bear in Mind that a brand new Bt device out of the box may take up to 30 minutes to get a fix for the first time.
no new stacks added,device is charged.
gps pairs with s100,asks if it should create a port,i reply yes and i press finish.in the bluetooth menu at the com ports i press new outgoing port and i am asked to choose a device.i select holux,press next and nothing happens....so whats the deal here?in the bluetooth serial port setup i check the outbound com port:com 5 beforehand.so please tell me what am i doing wrong this time....is there something i didnt do or something i did...?
Ok, so the pairing came up fine. Thats one thing out of the way.
Now, forget selecting outgoing or incoming ports, its completely useless, doesn't work. I have TOMTOM and have selected "Other Bluetooth Device" and selected COM5, it works fine. Could be your com port is being occupied by other bluetooth such as Activesync.
Delete all paired devices, Go to Start, Settings, Bluetooth Setting and check that "Outbound COM port: COM5" is ticked only, click OK then try pairing your Holux and try again. It does work with the mini, I promise!!
I got a 236 slim and no problem with MS BT stack.
try to connect as explained by moghisi101, it should work
WELL i did try,trust me!at what point should the orange led light up???it should first communicate with the gps viewer and then start blinking or something?cause so far the orange led has not shown its colors........is this normal or do i have a faulty gps?????????????
Hmmm sounds like a faulty unit. Ive had my 236 for a couple of days now and it worked first time with Tomtom, just selected 'Other device' and 'Com5'
Im really impressed by this unit, even gets 5-6 satellites indoors !
When you turn the unit on the orange LED should be on all the time (searching) then after about 45 secs it should start to flash indicating that it has locked onto satellites. If you arent getting any light from the orange LED it does suggest a faulty unit
HTH
I've been having a discussion with TomTom support over the last few days regarding a problem with getting my Mini S to talk to a BT GPS Receiver and a BT HF kit at the same time. Tomtom have basically told me this won't work and that whilst Tomtom is installed - not even running, the phone will not work with a BT HF device....!!!! :?
Anybody else experience this? Are Tomtom saying that their software basically renders the phone useless with handsfree??? :shock:
I've included the conversation from Tomtom below :-
Note the entries are in reverse order.
Response 06/07/2006 01.34 PM
Dear Mr. Kirby,
Since your PDA does not have any physical serial interface, a wired GPS-receiver (which runs through a serial interface) will unfortunately not be possible.
To further clarify our statement, your PDA seems to have difficulties sharing the same BT connection port and/or profile between multiple devices or services. This has nothing to do with our software, this is hard-coded into the operating system and hardware your PDA runs on. The binding of a BT serial port is a PDA function, not a software function.
We sympathise with your situation, but as we are not the manufacturers of your PDA or your carkit, there is very little we can do to assist you.
Kind regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
Customer 05/07/2006 10.01 PM
Does this mean that if I use a wired GPS receiver then this will work? Or, are you telling me that once I install the Tomtom software on a PDA phone that I will loose the ability to use any other Bluetooth devices until the Tomtom software is removed? If this is the case then I can hardly see how you can claim compatability with the XDA series of devices, at least without notifying potential customers that they will loose all handsfree functionality via Bluetooth once you install the software?
Response 05/07/2006 02.12 PM
Dear Mr. Kirby,
Our earlier correspondence was unfortunately not entirely clear. What we mean is that there is an internal conflict between our software, which is bound to the PDA Bluetooth Serial Port by the PDA hardware and underlying Windows OS), and your BT Carkit, which attempts to pre-empt the BT Serial Connection bond. This bond is enforced whether or not the program is actually active, and the ability to share a bound serial port concurrently is something that is enforced by your operating system.
This is unfortunately not something we can do anything about, since this is both hardware- and Windows-based (in the sense that multiple programs cannot access the same serial port concurrently), and also because we cannot provide technical support for a problem that is outside the purview of our software.
Kind regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
Customer 04/07/2006 10.10 PM
Your answer makes the assumption that the problem only occurs when the Tomtom software is running. This is not the case. Before Tomtom was installed on the device it would connect to the carkit and work correctly. Following the installation of Tomtom it will no longer remain connected for more than 15-20 seconds, regardless of whether Tomtom is running or not. If Tomtom is running and communicating with the BT GPS receiver it does still not function correctly with the carkit, however, if the Traffic function is activated then it will maintain a connection.
I therefore suggest that your previous explaination is not accurate - I could possibly accept an issue with Tomtom running and it then disconnecting from the carkit however, even with the BT GPS receiver removed from the paired devices and switched off it will still not remain connected.
Response 04/07/2006 01.29 PM
Dear Mr. Kirby,
Since we do not support the usage of third-party carkits (Bluetooth or wired/serial), we are only able to offer a technical theory as to your problem.
As your carkit is connected with a (virtual) Bluetooth serial connection, there is most likely an internal conflict with regards to the serial connection. PDA's support multiple Bluetooth profiles (methods of connecting), but typically bind the serial port to one device. Seeing this, the most likely culprit is the fact that the PDA keeps on switching focus between the two devices that use the serial port: Your BT GPS-receiver and the BT Carkit. When Navigator 5 is running, it pre-empts the serial port connection for the GPS-receiver, which forces the connection to stabilise.
Though we cannot offer you a solution to your problem, please try changing the settings of your BT Serial connection (removing the Authentication and Encryption options).
Kind regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
Response 03/07/2006 08.25 PM
Dear Mr Kirkby,
The incident you reported is escalated to our 2nd Line Support Technicians for further research. We will notify you immediately when they have resolved the incident.
Thank you very much for your understanding.
Kind Regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
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Customer 02/07/2006 11.25 PM
GPS Driver 1.2, MAP Great_britain_Plus-Map v571, English UK
Windows Mobile V5.0 OS 5.1.195 (Build 14847.2.0.0)
ROM - 2.21.4.1 WWE
ROM 3/9/06
Radio 02.07.10
Protocol 413.1.03
ExtROM 2.21.4.101
I have recently upgraded from a O2 XDA II to an O2 XDA Mini S. The product has been working perfectly for a number of days with my Vauxhall(Opel) Vectra Bluetooth car kit. The phone will pair with the unit, the contacts are downloaded etc and the phone will remain paired and make/receive calls via the bluetooth unit until switched off.
Yesterday I installed TOMTOM (Details above) onto the main memory and the GB maps onto the storage cards. The software was activated and my Plus subscription reset for the new device.
TomTom works OK on the device and the traffic information is updated as expected. With TOMTOM running, a route active and traffic information active the phone will maintain a connection with the bluetooth car kit. However, if a route is not active and therefore the traffic information is not active, the phone will connect to the bluetooth carkit and then disconnect after around 15-20 seconds. If the carkit is forced to reconnect it will but once again it will disconnect after 15-20 seconds.
If tomtom is not running, when I go to the phone dialer screen, when I force the phone to connect the headset icon is visible again for 15-20 seconds but then disappears when the phone disconnects from the carkit.
Presently the only way I can keep the phone connected to the carkit is to ensure that tomtom is active with a route and traffic updates switched on.
As stated previously this behaviour only started when tomtom was loaded on the XDA Mini S. Presently there is no way to keep the phone connected via bluetooth unless tomtom is running as above. I am using a Mk I Tomtom bluetooth GPRS receiver.
Tomtom was patched using the updated software as downloaded last week.
I have tried various combinations of resets/ re-pair/ delete device etc on both the carkit and phone. The problem still remains.
Strange, I am using TOMTOM and a Samsung HF kit and it works fine. Automatically cutting the sound from TOMTOM when I make and receive a call and then turning it back on when the phone is not in use.
The only, very minor, glitch is that on call termination there is a maybe 2 second loss of satellite signal.
I am using the Qtek Rom BTW, and the latest TOMTOM GPS drivers.
IIRC you ned to be using 5.21 versions of TOMTOM and drivers.
I have to say, I understand what TomTom are trying to say and agree. Because you've got the COM port set up in Windows, it doesn't matter if TomTom is open or not. I guess you could try deleteing the COM port in the Bluetooth settings and seeing if that solves the problem; then you will really know if it's a Windows problem. It's interesting that trevor.austin's car kit works fine; again seeming to point towards the fact your car kit has some problems with the way Windows handles having a com port set up.
How would I delete the com port? Do you know if there are any cabled GPS receivers about for the XDA Mini S - I guess then I would only be using bluetooth for the car kit?
Hi akirkby,
I also have a BT Carkit. I have the Parrot CK 3100.
I paired BT Carkit and the Emtac BT GPS.
With the BT GPS i need to assign the ports. With the carkit i didn't needed.
He recognized the carkit as a headset.
I think TomTom is right and i think the problem is in the Carkit
When i start TomTom, bluetooth also start automatic and then he nicely connect to mine BT Carkit. And when i shutdown TomTom he also disconnect.
What carkit do you have?
Did you check the IR module? If "allow incoming beams" is on?
You sometimes get some trouble when it on.
When i installed TomTom for a friend that was the problem.
When it was on it wouldn't connect to the wired GPS.
Maybe you should also check the site of your BT Carkit is there is a software update.
The Parrot CK3100 has software to flash your carkit over bluetooth.
Maybe your carkit support that als well.
Can you tell me what carkit you have?
akirkby said:
How would I delete the com port? Do you know if there are any cabled GPS receivers about for the XDA Mini S - I guess then I would only be using bluetooth for the car kit?
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No, unfortunately there are not any wired GPS recievers compatible with the Mini S... That I know of.
Delete the COM port to test by going to Comm Manager -> Settings (Right hotkey) -> Bluetooth Settings -> COM Ports -> tap and hold your GPS COM Port -> Delete.
There does not appear to be a COM port in the list. Under Bluetooth ports all I have are "New Outgoing Port" and "New Incoming Port" - nothing else?
Try setting outgoing port 6 to BT GPS and then tell TomTom to use port 6, make sure that your TomTom is 5.21.
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There does not appear to be a COM port in the list. Under Bluetooth ports all I have are "New Outgoing Port" and "New Incoming Port" - nothing else?
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That's interesting. What GPS are you using?
Its the Tomtom GPS unit - not the latest one, about two years old.
TomTom
If you have "New Outgoing Port" - then create one - try tapping and holding - you should have the options..... it will probably create an outgoing com port on Com6..
You are probably only missing this step..
Also, check that the name you have for your GPS actually ends in "GPS"
Charlie Grillo
[email protected] - the carkit is a factory fit option supplied by Vauxhall - I can't find much info about it on the web :-(
I've added a new outgoing com port - it did suggest com 6. I'll try this and let you know what happens.
Ah that makes sense. When you have a standard TomTom GPS, it doesn't need a COM port, I think TomTom does that for you... which is probably the problem. If you pair the GPS and the phone, create the COM port as you have done, and set TomTom to use the "other bluetooth gps" on the COM Port you set up, it might well work, and not kill your other bluetooth connections.
I paired the BT GPS before Tomtom was started - during pairing it says that the device has a serial port - do you want to use it. I tried saying Yes & No at this point and then adding a new outgoing com port.
Both times it will fail - Tomtom is configured for 'Other' BT receiver on COM 6.
Not sure what to do now.... is this the fault of the Car Kit Manufacturer, XDA or Tomtom? Effectively as soon as Tomtom is loaded on the device then it can no longer be used handsfree...
it should work as use a bt headset and a bt gps all the time with mine and have set up numerous othe miniS's for freinds at work .
have you tried com7 as the outgoing port the handsfree will use a bt profile
it could be a compatiblity issue with the hf car kit as not all bt protocols are the same.
Hello,
paired with a CK3100 parrot and a globalsat GPS works like a charm
Set the outgoing COM7 to the GPS MOUSE!!! and then it works!! dont ask me why!
SO com6 in and com7 out using the GPS mouse bluetooth as the device!!!
Let me know...
Hello,
paired with a CK3100 parrot and a globalsat GPS works like a charm
Set the outgoing COM7 to the GPS MOUSE!!! and then it works!! dont ask me why!
SO com6 in and com7 out using the GPS mouse bluetooth as the device!!!
Let me know...
Tried both com 6 and com 7 as outgoing ports. Port 7 worked until I stopped tomtom - restarted it and then the carkit stopped working again.....