Xda2 Newbie - MDA II, XDA II, 2060 General

Hi
I hope you don't think me too much of a plank but I've recently bought an Xda2 and am confused as to the best method of getting my email's.
<sigh> not another idiot I hear you say but as far as mobile anything's are concerned I'm a dummy!
I don't want to dial into my ISP every time so if any of you 'Patient' people can help me set up my Xda, I would be most grateful.
Best Regards
Ian G

It's quite easy providing you have a bit of information about your ISP.
Open your inbox - doesn't matter which one, active sync or SMS.
Use the Accounts -> accounts... menu option to open your accounts
Add a new one with the new button.
First settings page: Enter your email address
It'll now try and auto-configure your email settings. I have never known this to work, so hit the skip button.
On the next screen, enter your name as you want it seen, and your ISP's username and password (check the save password too).
I presume this is a regular POP3 account, so leave POP3 selected on the next page, and give it a name - this will eventually appear as a new set of inbox/sent items/outbox/drafts once you've finished configuring things.
Next page, enter your ISP's incoming mail server address, probably [email protected] or [email protected].
For outgoing mail - and I'm presuming you're with o2 here, use smtp.o2.co.uk. Outgoing mail servers usually only allow people to send mail when they are logged on, so your ISP's outgoing mail server will not allow you to send mail if you're connected via o2 gprs. To send mail via the usual GPRS connection, this must be o2's mail server. Leave the domain blank.
Click the options button and on the options page select whether you want to check for mail periodically (Note, due to a crap design decision at microsoft, only the set of email folders that was most recently viewed is synchronised). Select "The Internet" as the connection (presuming you want to use GPRS or Internet passthrough, and you haven't change the default O2 connections).
On the next options page, leave each checkbox blank, and on the final page you can opt to receive whole messages or just the header + a certain amount of included message body.
Once you click finish, things should start working, and you should be able to select the new ISP's inbox, write messages, and send them with the icon at the bottom of the screen.
Let us know if you get into any problems.

Much obliged to you A.C
I will give it a go thanks for your patience!
Best Regards
Ian G

Set that up ok A.C
Now I get "Unable to connect: you have no modem entries created and no network card present"
What do I do now A.C - bearing in mind that I haven't entered anything into the Xda2 yet, only got it this afternoon!
Thank you
Ian G
PS - I would want to connect GPRS (I Think) <embarrased smile>

If you dont have any modem connections in settings/connections/manage existing connections, you will have to create one, tab new give it a name, chose celllular line gprs, tab next , acesspoint name! dont know about UK settings but here its: internet, tab next , well dont know what to use in your network, here we dont need to fill in anything, tab finish..Now if you then tab and hold you new connection there comes a pop up menu:delete / connect chose connect and if your settings are correct youll see ( after a info pop up) two arrows at your signal strengh indicator, and you are connected...to disconnect hold down your hang up button..using your inbox, send or recieve should start up your gprs connection automaticly..
Dont know if was any help, but anyway, good luck.
GSM61

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How To Setup Hotmail Email Account?

I've setup POP3 but have no idea how to setup hotmail. Is this possible? When I've tried it's asked for Outgoing mail info and incoming mail info - but thats for pop3 right?
Has anyone done this before?
You have to install a program called HTTP Mail Provider.
In settings, enter hotmail (or msn if your address is @msn) for both incoming and outgoing mail.
Please tell me more about setting up hotmail in XDA - I have found the software and downloaded it to my laptop, however the 6x files are unreconised by my laptop, theres no setup.exe for example? Can you give me some more info please?
Thanks
HTTPMail Provider
HTTPMail Provider
1- Get the software from www.pocketgear.com
2- After installing it on your device, open the inbox and set a new account
3- Follow the steps. Once you reach step 4, choose HTTP for Account type
4- In step 5, enter hotmail for both incoming and outgoing mail if your addres is @hotmail, or msn fot both if your address is @msn
That's it[/i][/b]
Use pocket MSN. They make a hotmail inbox in pocket outlook for you
check out this link http://mobile.msn.com/ac.aspx?cid=uuhp_pocketmsn
unapproachable2kx said:
check out this link http://mobile.msn.com/ac.aspx?cid=uuhp_pocketmsn
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Pocket MSN looks great but it could be pricey.
I have istalled the "HTTPMail Provider 1.0", however I keep getting this error when trying to connect..
Inbox
Unspecified error
(80004005
Error Source: Connection Manager
Status: Connecting
I then click OK and find that I need to try again. When I do log in again, Pocket PC just shows me that I'm loggin on and when I go to disconnect as it takes forever, my inbox crashes!!! I then close my inbox and open it again, and after quite a few minutes of waiting I get this error...
Inbox
The operation timed out
(80042002)
Error Souce: HTTP
Status: Logging on.
I don't know if this is a problem but I have not setup my HTTP access, only POP3 and MSN messenger. Can anyone help please?
Can't send mail
Even if I mention hotmail in outgoing server, it still doesn't send mail successfully. It's kinda wierd but my GPRS service provider do not have any SMTP server fot users. I get the following error when sending mail though HttpMail... "One or more arguments are invalid (80070057), Error Source: MAPI, Status: Sending outgoing messages". Please anybody help...
First connect to GPRS using your Pocket PC internet connection
then open inbox and start send and receive
OK I managed to fix the problem - I changed my connection from Work to Internet. however, I have another querry for those who know about this. I have set my hotmail account options to automatically connect and check email every 15 minutes but it says this...
Note that connecting automatically may result in higher connection charges.
Now I understand that my connection is through GPRS which I've been told you only pay for downloading data and do not pay for connection or time spent connected. Can anyone please confirm this is true because I don't want a huge bill at the end of the month!
Thanks again
Paul.
Well, we are discussing another problem, here.
I don't know about O2, but, usually, GPRS is sold by packages of total amount of download (40MB, 80MB, ...) per month, and not according to time use.
So, if you have a GPRS subscription, time does not count. Actually, you can keep your phone always connected.
When you add a new modem connection (using Start/Settings/Connections), in the modem selection, do you have a Cellular line (GPRS) available ?
ps: When you say you receive e-mail headers, is it by e-mail or by SMS ?
I recieve my emails by GPRS
Regarding email header this is just a cropped email limiting the download to about 2K. My network O2 allows me to download up to 100K free, after that they charge per Mb of data or I can buy discounted packages to save money. I just want to make sure theres no connection charge for always staying connected and retrieving my email every 15 minutes!
Yes I have Cellular line (GPRS) available.
It doesn't matter if you connect every hour or 15 minutes or stay connected all the time. What makes the difference is the amount of kb you are downloading each time you send and receive e-mail. Probably, whether you are receiving usual pop3 or HTTP, they are all part of the 100k package or whatever. So if you limit your messages to headers only, you would be saving a lot. But even if you exceed your package limit, it must not be expensive. In my country, the cost is 1$ per 1 MB.

T-Mobile My Email doesn't connect!

My T-mobile E-mail won't establish a connection. This problem came up after upgrading to xcilion's t-mobile 2.24 custom rom. I've searched everywhere for a solution but no luck. I want to get all my emails back on my mda vario but after it tries to connect, an error comes up - "Cannot connect to Server. Please make sure that you have a wireless network available" My wireless network is fine. if there is a solution, please reply. thanks for any help.
I had something similar, I could pick up my pop3 emails from my home account but could not send any from my handset.
It gave a similar error message.
The solution for me was as follows :-
Select 'messages'
Select 'messaging'
Select the inbox of your home email account
Select 'menu/tools/options'
This should allow you to edit your account details.
Page 1 emails address - ok hit next
Page 2 user info - ok hit next
Page 3 account info - ok hit next
Page 4 Server info - select 'options'
Under connections dropdown - I changed this to T-Mobile Internet
Next
Next
Finish
This allowed my handset to access the T-Mobile gprs connection.
For me, all is now well.
Thanks goes to T-Mobile technical support here in the UK.
Hope this can help or at least eliminate this option.

New Dopod838 questions - activesync, email, skins, loggon password

OK HTC guru's.
I have finally recieved my Dopod 838 Pro after a very long wait. I have searched the forum (flame suit on) but still have a few questions which are niggling me.
Ok, first off should be the most simple. How do I instal skins? I feel so stupid here. I see that they are usually .tsk files, but where do I place them so I can find them in the Today menu?
Second, when I first started my PDA I had to do a setup, this asked me if I wanted a Pin or Password set. I skipped it (eager to get to the phone part), but now I can work out how to put it on. I have found under "lock" in the Personal Settings that you can set the pin or password, but it only allows me for set this to restore after a period of inactivity. How do I make it work after power on?
Third, email. My carrier (3 Mobile Australia) has an unlimited email pack which I have subscribed to which uses 3MMS settings. I have set it up and it sends and recieves beautifully using those settings. Except, that to send emails, I have to manually press send/recieve to clear the outbox. I have set the check for new incomming mail every minute, so it finds these ok (subject to problem 4 below), but outgoing mail is annoying. Any tips/hints?
Fourth, activesync/email. OK, now when the phone is not connected to my PC via activesync, the check for email every minute downloads any email perfectly. When I press the send/receive button, it clears my outbox perfectly. However, if the phone is connected to the PC by the activesync, I get a cannot connect or modem disabled error. This only happens if I try to use the email while connected to activesync. Any comments, better still, any solutions.
Cheers
Adam
[email protected]
adamcullen said:
OK HTC guru's.
I have finally recieved my Dopod 838 Pro after a very long wait. I have searched the forum (flame suit on) but still have a few questions which are niggling me.
Ok, first off should be the most simple. How do I instal skins? I feel so stupid here. I see that they are usually .tsk files, but where do I place them so I can find them in the Today menu?
Second, when I first started my PDA I had to do a setup, this asked me if I wanted a Pin or Password set. I skipped it (eager to get to the phone part), but now I can work out how to put it on. I have found under "lock" in the Personal Settings that you can set the pin or password, but it only allows me for set this to restore after a period of inactivity. How do I make it work after power on?
Third, email. My carrier (3 Mobile Australia) has an unlimited email pack which I have subscribed to which uses 3MMS settings. I have set it up and it sends and recieves beautifully using those settings. Except, that to send emails, I have to manually press send/recieve to clear the outbox. I have set the check for new incomming mail every minute, so it finds these ok (subject to problem 4 below), but outgoing mail is annoying. Any tips/hints?
Fourth, activesync/email. OK, now when the phone is not connected to my PC via activesync, the check for email every minute downloads any email perfectly. When I press the send/receive button, it clears my outbox perfectly. However, if the phone is connected to the PC by the activesync, I get a cannot connect or modem disabled error. This only happens if I try to use the email while connected to activesync. Any comments, better still, any solutions.
Cheers
Adam
[email protected]
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Hey Fellow Aussie,
Im also on the 3 network but I am using a JASJAM. Im still having MMS problems (cannot receive them proprely).
Anyways, to answer some of your questions:
1. How do I instal skins? - put them (tsk's) in your My Documents folder or in the root of your microsd card. They should show up under the menu after that.
2. Pin or Password set - not sure how to do that after the PDA has been set up. I actually did a hard reset when I realised I couldnt find the option.
3. Email - I also use the $3 month unlimited sen/receive with 3email. I actually forward my corporate emails to my 3 email inbox, which I then download to my phone. When I send an email from my phone, the return address is my corporate email. Much cheaper than using data traffic with 3netaccess UMTS.
--- to answer your question about send/receive, the email wont get send out until a send/recevei has occured. If you have the option for auto-send receive (ive got mine set to 1 minute) then dont worry about it. After you write the email, it will be sent out shortly after that.
4. activesync/email - In MS Activesyn on your pc, you have to enable the "allow wireless connection on device when connected to desktop". This is avaialbe in the connection settings of MS activesync on your desktop. Ensure you are not connected to your PDA when you do this (as the option will not be available).
I hope this helps,.
Now do you have a few moments to help me out - specifically to 3 carrier settings. I have tried to do them manually but i havent managed to set it up 100%.
I have checked the extended ROMS on the wiki but they are generic ext.roms which do not have the 3 carrier settings. I know for a fact that 3 Australia tweak the shipped ext.rom to include set up files for their network.
Can you please copy all your files from you extended rom and email them to me. my email is [email protected].
if you havent unlocked/mounted your extended ROM you can do this with the fit4cat tweaker software. This software is available on the wiki I beleive. Or just use the extended ROM unlocker that is posted on the STICKY thread in this forum.
Your help will be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,

Wifi prority over 3G

Hi
I was wondering how to know if WiFi has priority over 3G when its enabled because I notice when I have WiFi enabled and do send and receive in my outlook it's turning on the data connection option in connectivity (thats 3G I'm guessing) and downloading stuff. Ideally I'd like it to use the WiFi if its enabled but am not sure if it is?
Can someone clarify please!
Thanks
I'd like to know the answer to this too.
The only solution I've found which is quite crap to be honest is to set up a fake dummy connection or go
All settings > Connections tab > Connections > Advanced tab > Select Networks
Then choose My ISP or anything that doesn't have a modem connection defined. You'll then have to turn on wifi whenever you want to access the net. This isn't exactly ideal to be honest.
From what I've found out today and from searching on here is that it's the windows mobile live client has got it built in to prioritize GPRS/3G etc over Wifi ...
utter crap so I looked up alternate ways to get hotmail you can use pop3 and stuff but not sure it will sync like IMAP does, but that's the only solution I've found for now. So change the network connection to something other than mobile web when you're on wifi then change it to mobile web when you're on the streets etc and don't have wifi access.
Must be a better way though??? There's been so many people ask this on this forum and everyone of them got half arsed replies.
Outlook plus pop is ok, that is it use wifi if it is available and 3G otherwise. The problem is on hotmail accessed using windows live.
I found a solution in using HTTPMail provider 1.5 to access hotmail (it is not free but cheap enough). You can find it googling around.
I read reports around about problems during installation so I simply extracted the files (HTTPMail.dll, MIME.dll, HTTPTransport.dll and HTTPMailReg.exe) from the cab and copied them under \windows, registered manually HTTPMail.dll, MIME.dll and HTTPTransport.dll using regsvr_arm.exe (you can find it at http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=80255&d=1207768826) and registered the software using HTTPMailReg.exe
After installation an hotmail account can be created using this procedure.
Open Inbox
Tap Accounts and choose "New Account"
Enter your a fake e-mail address (not hotmail, otherwise windows live kiks in) and tap Next
Skip auto configuration (otherwise windows live kiks in) and tap Next
Set the user name to your complete e-mail address, enter your password, check the "Save password" option and tap Next
Set the Account type to HTTP and tap Next
Depending on which service you are using enter "hotmail" or "msn" (without the quotes) for both the incoming and outgoing server names, leave the domain field blank and tap the "Options" button
Set the connection to "The Internet" and tap Next
Set the maximum amount to fetch for each message or accept the default settings and tap Next
Set the maximum age for the downloaded messages and tap Next
Good luck.
i would be interested in this too.
at home, i have a wifi router and i'd like the phone to use that connection when reachable/available. then, when i'm not at home and there's no other wifi available, without doing any manual setting, it should skip to 3G.
is the device working like that by default? any special settings needed?
eXelero said:
i would be interested in this too.
at home, i have a wifi router and i'd like the phone to use that connection when reachable/available. then, when i'm not at home and there's no other wifi available, without doing any manual setting, it should skip to 3G.
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I use my phone exactly like that.
eXelero said:
is the device working like that by default?
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For internet browsing and POP email yes, for hotmail no (se above post).
oruam57 said:
Outlook plus pop is ok, that is it use wifi if it is available and 3G otherwise. The problem is on hotmail accessed using windows live.
I found a solution in using HTTPMail provider 1.5 to access hotmail (it is not free but cheap enough). You can find it googling around.
I read reports around about problems during installation so I simply extracted the files (HTTPMail.dll, MIME.dll, HTTPTransport.dll and HTTPMailReg.exe) from the cab and copied them under \windows, registered manually HTTPMail.dll, MIME.dll and HTTPTransport.dll using regsvr_arm.exe (you can find it at http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=80255&d=1207768826) and registered the software using HTTPMailReg.exe
After installation an hotmail account can be created using this procedure.
Open Inbox
Tap Accounts and choose "New Account"
Enter your a fake e-mail address (not hotmail, otherwise windows live kiks in) and tap Next
Skip auto configuration (otherwise windows live kiks in) and tap Next
Set the user name to your complete e-mail address, enter your password, check the "Save password" option and tap Next
Set the Account type to HTTP and tap Next
Depending on which service you are using enter "hotmail" or "msn" (without the quotes) for both the incoming and outgoing server names, leave the domain field blank and tap the "Options" button
Set the connection to "The Internet" and tap Next
Set the maximum amount to fetch for each message or accept the default settings and tap Next
Set the maximum age for the downloaded messages and tap Next
Good luck.
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Can you run over this please as I'm not getting the screens in the order you've written them.
1. First screen I get email address so I put in a fake one.
2. Second screen I get "Your Name" field and then "Account Display Name"
3. Third screen I get "Incoming Mail Server" ... what do I put here? You said "hotmail" or "msn" ... but what exactly... pop3.hotmail.com or what?? and other field is account type. I see HTML there so I choose that.
4. Fourth screen is "Username" and "password" I put that as my hotmail username (not fake) and proper password...
5. "Outgoing Mail Server" ... again what to put for this?? Advanced settings on this page ... I've set it to "The Internet"
Left the rest of the other pages as default when I go to hit send and receive I get an error saying:
"The URL does not use a recognized protocol (80042001) Error Source: HTTP Status: Logging On"
hmm??
oruam57 said:
I use my phone exactly like that.
For internet browsing and POP email yes, for hotmail no (se above post).
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sounds great! thanx for the info!
DaBountyHunter said:
Can you run over this please as I'm not getting the screens in the order you've written them.
1. First screen I get email address so I put in a fake one.
2. Second screen I get "Your Name" field and then "Account Display Name"
3. Third screen I get "Incoming Mail Server" ... what do I put here? You said "hotmail" or "msn" ... but what exactly... pop3.hotmail.com or what?? and other field is account type. I see HTML there so I choose that.
4. Fourth screen is "Username" and "password" I put that as my hotmail username (not fake) and proper password...
5. "Outgoing Mail Server" ... again what to put for this?? Advanced settings on this page ... I've set it to "The Internet"
Left the rest of the other pages as default when I go to hit send and receive I get an error saying:
"The URL does not use a recognized protocol (80042001) Error Source: HTTP Status: Logging On"
hmm??
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1. Ok.
2. Insert whatever you like.
3. Insert literally "hotmail" or "msn" and select HTTP.
4. Username should be the complete address, for example [email protected], password ok.
5. Again, insert literally "hotmail" or "msn", advanced setting ok, do not check Outgoing... and Use the same... should be grayed (disabled)
Before that you must register the DLLs (using regsvr_arm.exe) and the software (using HTTPMailReg.exe) and soft reset.
Followed all of that exactly as you said registerd the dlls and the software soft resetted and got a different error 80042002 HTTP Forbidden
DaBountyHunter said:
Followed all of that exactly as you said registerd the dlls and the software soft resetted and got a different error 80042002 HTTP Forbidden
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I'm sorry but can't say what the problem is.
Just in case this is my account configuration (after the initial configuration I edited the address on the first page to the correct value, maybe you should try this too).
It sounds to me as though the people with the problem of cellular data connection kicking in when there is a valid wifi connection ought to examine the settings in whatever application is playing up.
e.g. someone mentioned that pocket outlook opens a 3G connection instead of using the wifi connection. In this case go into email settings (windows messaging application, menu/options then choose the email account that is causing the problem) click on "edit account setup" then press "next" 3 times and press on "advanced server settings". Check what is set under "Network connection:" In order to use the currently available connection this must be set to "The Internet" If you have set it to your cellular data connection for instance "orange internet" it will always use that connection and ignore the wifi.
gadgetgaz said:
It sounds to me as though the people with the problem of cellular data connection kicking in when there is a valid wifi connection ought to examine the settings in whatever application is playing up.
e.g. someone mentioned that pocket outlook opens a 3G connection instead of using the wifi connection. In this case go into email settings (windows messaging application, menu/options then choose the email account that is causing the problem) click on "edit account setup" then press "next" 3 times and press on "advanced server settings". Check what is set under "Network connection:" In order to use the currently available connection this must be set to "The Internet" If you have set it to your cellular data connection for instance "orange internet" it will always use that connection and ignore the wifi.
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I can only choose "Internet" under email settings and not my cellular data..?
The options I have are:
Orange WAP
Orange MMS
Orange Internet
Work
The Internet
I ended up just putting in my hotmail details manually using POP3 and set it to use the pop3.live.com:995 and smtp.live.com:587 rather than this whole HTTP issue with SSL and authentication for outgoing and inbound mail. "The Internet" for the network connection to use and made sure it leaves messages on server so now it'll sync without removing them off the inbox and uses the wifi first rather than the 3G.
gadgetgaz said:
It sounds to me as though the people with the problem of cellular data connection kicking in when there is a valid wifi connection ought to examine the settings in whatever application is playing up.
e.g. someone mentioned that pocket outlook opens a 3G connection instead of using the wifi connection. In this case go into email settings (windows messaging application, menu/options then choose the email account that is causing the problem) click on "edit account setup" then press "next" 3 times and press on "advanced server settings". Check what is set under "Network connection:" In order to use the currently available connection this must be set to "The Internet" If you have set it to your cellular data connection for instance "orange internet" it will always use that connection and ignore the wifi.
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I have Telenor/Vodaphone in Sweden and am having similar difficulties. It works well to use "The Internet" if I am on a wireless network. However, if I am without wireless I get connection error and have to switch network to "Telenor Internet" for it to work. Can anyone help out?
I'm currently trying to resolve this same issue on my girlfriend's MWg Zinc II running WM6.1.
The strange thing is, I have a Samsung Omnia, also running 6.1, with (as far as I can tell) the exact same setup for email and connections, but I don't have this issue.... ie when I'm connected to wifi and I sync my hotmail, it uses the wifi connection and does not try to connect using cellular data.
gadgetgaz said:
It sounds to me as though the people with the problem of cellular data connection kicking in when there is a valid wifi connection ought to examine the settings in whatever application is playing up.
e.g. someone mentioned that pocket outlook opens a 3G connection instead of using the wifi connection. In this case go into email settings (windows messaging application, menu/options then choose the email account that is causing the problem) click on "edit account setup" then press "next" 3 times and press on "advanced server settings". Check what is set under "Network connection:" In order to use the currently available connection this must be set to "The Internet" If you have set it to your cellular data connection for instance "orange internet" it will always use that connection and ignore the wifi.
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On both phones, when I "choose the email account", the next screen to appear is the Windows Live settings screen (where you cannot select the options you mention), not the standard email settings screens... so this method does not work for me.
Smackhacker said:
I have Telenor/Vodaphone in Sweden and am having similar difficulties. It works well to use "The Internet" if I am on a wireless network. However, if I am without wireless I get connection error and have to switch network to "Telenor Internet" for it to work. Can anyone help out?
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I've had the same problem on my new Touch Pro 2 on T-Mobile, but didn't have it with my Vodafone v1615 (HTC TyTN II).
If you still have this problem, may be worth taking a look at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4063850&postcount=4
This has fixed my problem.
I have had this problem with windows live for over 4 years, all other applications will use wifi over 3G if its available.
Windows live will only use 3G, which is an absolute nightmare when traveling as i dissable data and make use with WIFI in hotels and cafes.

problem with mail account

Hi all, I am new using this kind of phone(got it as gift from my wife). Since I am new to this technical stuff, I might(?am) sound daft.
I am having problem setting/using mail account. I am in the UK. The phone was bought from a private dealer(mobilephonesdirect) on a T mobile contract. Has internet access.
I set up new mail account as per instructions (not outlook--never used it). I tried Google mail, Yahoomail etc.
But when i go to mail tab, all accounts say "no mail".
When i create new mail and tap send i get the message "cannot connect with current connection settings. To change connection settings, tap settings". I tried, but dont know what to do.
I called Mobilephonesdirect, they asked me to get settings from T-mobile.
T.mobile said the settings are fine, especially since I am able to use and browse the internet.
Called HTC, but no help apart from suggesting to download the update.
Hope I am making my problem clear here.
Really appreciate your help.
You probably need to disable the proxy that was automatically setup by the phone. I can't check my own phone just now (also on UK tmobile), but it should be in start -> settings -> connections somewhere.
Hope that helps.

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