XDA II: Closed Applications Still Running In Memory - MDA II, XDA II, 2060 General

Open an application, for example, Internet Explorer and then close it.
Next, check out the applications running in memory:
Settings-> System-> Memory-> Running Programs
Internet Explorer is apparently still running in memory! Is this a known bug and if so, is there a work around as I would expect this to affect the performance.
Also note this happened before and after the ROM 1.60 Upgrade.

it's been like that from the first version of windows CE
i suppose that because of slow cpu and mem
and such ms believed that keeping the applications running
would inc the response time of the pda so they would not
seem slugish compared to palm and other pda os's

This is a Windows Mobile 2003 'feature' :roll:
There are programs available to close the program down completely.
I have my personal favourite, by far, and is completely free. I can't remember the name of it and I'm currently updating my ROM, but as soon as that's done, I'll look in ActiveSync and let you know.

chopper32uk said:
Open an application, for example, Internet Explorer and then close it.
Next, check out the applications running in memory:
Settings-> System-> Memory-> Running Programs
Internet Explorer is apparently still running in memory! Is this a known bug and if so, is there a work around as I would expect this to affect the performance.
Also note this happened before and after the ROM 1.60 Upgrade.
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Certainly one of the thing's that I've found since the recent XDAII ROM update is that closing apps down via the Tast Manager has caused the OS to crash out with the message 'A unhandled error has occurred in the shell.' type message (has only happened a couple of times). The only way forward from this is a soft reset.
Nutz

Hi,
How are you trying to exit the programs that this happens to ? It could be that instead of clicking what you think is the close button, you are actually clicking the Today Screen icon ?
As regards Task Managers, the best I have come across and use all the time is PocketNav. Here is a link for it.
http://www.scottandmichelle.net/scott/cestuff.html
This app allows you to see currently running programs and flip between them with ease. You can also close or close all programs from this menu too.
Hope this helps.
Rgds,
Rob.

WisBar Advance
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/wisbar
Highly recommended, very small memory footprint, very fast and highly customizable. Oh, and FREE. If you get it, make sure you download an XP skin. Don't use the bundled ones
EDIT: Just so you know, it doesn't officially support Phone Edition. To turn the phone on/off via the taskbar, you have to close WisBar to access the icon.

Rob_B said:
Hi,
How are you trying to exit the programs that this happens to ?
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I'm just using the O2 Active Task Manager (the little arrow on the bottom of the screen) that comes by default with the OS (haven't got round yet to installing a decent Task Manager - will check out the suggestions made here!).
Nutz

WisBar Advance is one of the better ones that I've used but I will not give PocketNav a go, as there is a HUGE problem with WisBar and the XDAII.
Once you recive a call and access a notification (missed call, SMS things like that). You will not be able to recive any calls after that, if you ring your XDAII from another phone it actualy rings on the other phone but the XDA II does not register the call at all (as though no call is even being placed!!!, no missed call, no error messages NOTHING!!!)
I loved WisBar untill I've narrowed the problem down of not reciving calls to uninstalling or exiting WisBar and doing a softreset and never had the problems again...
Most other task managers I've found seem to have problems with the Phone Edition, cannot hide the Phone ID Program, cant close the Phone after it has been opend, phone keeps ringing over and over a gain even though there is not incomming calls... all are a few problems I have found with other Task managers I've tried... I will give that PocketNav a go and see how it works with phone edition...

I have tested most task managers under Phone Edition and my conclusion is that SBP's Pocket Plus is THEone...
It actually let's you see the notification area just as it's meant to be and it let's you exclude applications so they don't close but minimize (perfect for IA_Caller_Id.exe)
Best regards,
Rayan

Do you know of any freeware ones that are worth while?

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Task Manager

Newbie here
I would appreciate a little input
Is there a way to minimise the windows so I can roll between apps ?
I have tried installing magic button as the local task manager keeps crashing but cant seem to get it to show
I have the Ericsson HbH-65 Headset and have noticed that it picks up every second call if I'm lucky
Thank you in advance
well a pocketpc application allways minimize when you close it
if you go into system->system->memory->running programs you can see which programs you have running
this is an ok pocketpc replacement of the taskmanager known from the pc
http://www.phm.lu/Products/PocketPC/

JASJAR / UNIVERSAL - BUGS N TWEAKS

Just thought I would start a forum Dedicated to one location to document any Bugs that are known, and possible solutions. So if you have any known bugs, or if you have known tweaks, please post.
I have only had the JASJAR for 2 days now, and notice the following issues:
1. Significant amounts of my old software that was working on WM2003SE will not run on WM2005 for example:
SPB - The screen short cuts work fine, but the rest doesnt, no tweaks to PIE, no battery status, no "CLOSE" fix. This is a big problem, cause everything you open stays open unless you close it all via running programs.
KSE Fax - didnt work
Resco Explorer - didnt work
MSVC - didnt work, wont uninstall!!
Pocket Dictate - didnt work
Navman SmartST - didnt work, so didnt get to test the GPS port technology.
Flashdash - didnt work, per supplier working on a fix.
PHM Registry editor - didnt work
2. Text messages dont appear to be deleting, they come back on reset
3. Mortgage calculator due to VB Runtime not supported
4. Couldnt activate MS Reader even though its a microsoft product!!
5. No backup software which is a pain when you are installing software to test, and then cant install it, or your not certain its properly uninstalled
6. No VGA output, or cannot locate how to display on alternative screens such as data projectors. I got the back pack with the XDA II, but cannot find an option here.
7. Serious slow downs due to applications not closing
8. Seem to be a problem with the Blue tooth headset activating the voice command when its switched off.
9. calculator is still the basic model, not the advanced version you can get on your PC.
10. Cant find the registry hack to show the date not just the time.
11. Couldnt get avantgo to work.
12. Explorer still takes a very long time to explore the windows directory, and still doesnt allow a properties view on it.
Some of these might be because I simply couldnt be bothered tweaking some of these, or looking at possible fixes.
I can also see some serious memory issues and the need for a good SD card is going to be important. Speaking of which, allows the ability to automatically/select install to SD card, which is a bonus, dont need cabinstall anymore. Even so,
BUT OVERALL, I think its a nice device, only just released, nice and clear screen, great functionality, good WIFI without serious battery drains compared to what I am used to, BT Headset works usually. I am still to get the MMS and GPRS operational, and dont know anybody that can use 3G yet.
Synchronising music with WMP10 is a good feature, and it can be setup to synchronise your videos and pictures I think.
So, what do the rest of you think please list your bug bears, and if you see a fix great, and any suggested tweaks or software that does work on your devices would be great. Hoping for a long and fruitful post of consolidated tweaks and bugs.
resco file explorer on wm5
I upgraded to resco file explorer 2005 (half price if you last purchased 2003 version after 1 yr) . Try that version if the 2003 version does not work.
some of the stuff mentioned are not really bugs (resco explorer 2k3 works for me,slowdowns because of multiple apps running-> you need a task manager for this)
right now, I'm still waiting if this will ever support USB hosting (but I doubt if it is). I'm quite confuse with how tekguru came up with the conclusion that Universal can act as USB host. i tried inserting an external harddisk using the stock usb cable+female usb A+usb A, nothing happens
hey
i beg to differ...
the phm registry works just fine..
ive tweaked the date and time into the top bar thru registry
ive also changed the calendar softkey on the screen to run and display file explorer
resco explorer 2005 works just not the network part of it...
spb pocketplus with battery bar at the top of the screen works aswell
WM2005 Tweaks n bugs
Thats interesting, I will try to download updated versions then rather than those kept in my library and try again and will advise.
Does the "close" operation on SPB work ok?
Where did you locate the registry tweak?
I think I was using Resco 2003, a few have noted 2005 works ok.
Cheers
for closing app i bought this application called handyswitcher... i also know the close app in wisbar advance 2 also works i havent tried spb close app button..since i have the other two
spb 3
I downlaod and installed spb3. it seems to slow this thing down, but it does have the task manager.
the biggest bug I have is with skype, it just closes down suddenly?
magic button task manager is lightweight and its freeware. I'm having problems with WA2, I'll just install it later when a more stable build for wm5 will be available
avantgo installation
I have found that u can install Avantgo by doing the following:
1. Go to Avantgo website
2. Register
3. Download old wince version
4. install it on pc with pda connected and activesync active
5. upgrade to pocketpc version
6. do an activesync syncing (after choosing ur free channels)
thats it, u get avantgo on your system, but beware, it takes internal disk space...
Greetings
Nabil H
PS I guess M$ removed Avantgo from Rom because it offers now pocketmsn on universal and Avantgo competes with it, the old IE/Netscape story...
Can i ask you poeple with the new EXEC, or branded version, Looking at the pictures the microphone and speaker are on the same side as the LCD screen. If its closed (like a laptop) do you need to open it and spin the LCD round (like a tablet PC) in order to use it as a phone for a voice call
Thanks John
applecom said:
Can i ask you poeple with the new EXEC, or branded version, Looking at the pictures the microphone and speaker are on the same side as the LCD screen. If its closed (like a laptop) do you need to open it and spin the LCD round (like a tablet PC) in order to use it as a phone for a voice call
Thanks John
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you dont need to open the lid. there's a Send/End call button at the side to make the call. problem is you dont have a way of knowing who's calling. that's where jabra bt800 or akon hbh660 BT headsets come in handy
thanks for the reply GM, that makes sence to use a Bt headset that shows caller ID, But as to answering it with the external buttons, and if the thing is closed wuth the screen inside, cam you hear the caller if you dont have a headset
applecom said:
thanks for the reply GM, that makes sence to use a Bt headset that shows caller ID, But as to answering it with the external buttons, and if the thing is closed wuth the screen inside, cam you hear the caller if you dont have a headset
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yes.
gm said:
some of the stuff mentioned are not really bugs (resco explorer 2k3 works for me,slowdowns because of multiple apps running-> you need a task manager for this)
right now, I'm still waiting if this will ever support USB hosting (but I doubt if it is). I'm quite confuse with how tekguru came up with the conclusion that Universal can act as USB host. i tried inserting an external harddisk using the stock usb cable+female usb A+usb A, nothing happens
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Tekguru didn't come up with it - quite the opposite in fact. But he reported that ANOTHER site was reporting it worked
Microsoft Voice Command 1.5 has issues... it requires a manual install using the .cab file and seems to mostly work but causes problems with WM5.. and it won't uninstall.
also, I have found that you cannot copy text from a note and paste it into the body of an email using the tap and hold method. you must press fn+space bar to do it... this is a bug in WM5.
applecom said:
thanks for the reply GM, that makes sence to use a Bt headset that shows caller ID, But as to answering it with the external buttons, and if the thing is closed wuth the screen inside, cam you hear the caller if you dont have a headset
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You can hear the caller anouncement with voice command installed.
the skype issue is caused by active sync
active sync turns itself on non-stop, I am constantly having to return to running programs and turn it off. skype needs memory, so it crashes when active sync is running.
Is there a registry tweak to stop the 'auto-on' feature of skype?
as for spb3, it does slow this down and make it buggy. I am losing it.
can't you just turn off auto sych into your AS?
NO Announcement with incoming calls. Its so low you cant hear sh..
no turning off active sync in options
the 'option' to turn off is simply gone.

Automatic Memory clearance in K-Jam

I have used pcoket PC devices from the Philip Velo1 and even before that. I have never faced memory loss like with the K-Jam. The device slows down with time but when I check the running programs list I see a full page list. As soon as I close them all the device performs well again.
Is there anyway of automatically clearing memory and closing running programs with the K-Jam (WM5) after say 2 or more programs running?
Hi.
What you need is to read http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=29863
and then install PocketPlus 3.0.1 . Problem solved
if you want to go fastter then read
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=30011
and do what it say's .
but like everything in life do yer research before you take a risk .
I did, and the results were great . 200% improvement in performance and useability.
Thanks for the response. By the way I have already removed the Antivirus software.
But how does the PocketPlus help?
By the way I have tried the latest PocketPlus and it still crushed my k-Jam on reset.
alman said:
Thanks for the response. By the way I have already removed the Antivirus software.
But how does the PocketPlus help?
By the way I have tried the latest PocketPlus and it still crushed my k-Jam on reset.
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Check to make sure you have version 3.0.3 of PocketPlus as my K-JAM crashed every time with 3.0.1. It wasnt until i downloaded 3.0.3 that i was able to boot normally. You could also disable the safe mode feature in Pocket Plus options before you reset which fixes the boot problem with earlier 3.x releases.
EDIT: SPB Software now has a note on the PocketPlus version history informing that the Wizard specific issues with safe mode have been fixed as of v3.0.4.
http://spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/pocketplus/history.html?en
Pocket Plus has a feature where you can change the behaviour of the close button [X] so it can close apps instead of minimise or even popup a menu with more options. Have a search of the forum here, and over at www.modaco.com as there is heaps of info about Pocket Plus and other options for closing / minimising apps (some of them are even free).
Regards,
Chris
SPB Pocket Plus !!
can you provide me a link where to freely download Pocket Plus 3.0.3 or 3.0.4 ??? i'd appreciate it ...
thanx in advance.
If you're buying PocketPlus just for the task/memory manager, have a look at the many free alternatives, e.g. WisBar Advance, VBar, MagicButton, Pocket Nav, GSPocketMagic etc etc. Several (e.g. MagicButton, GSPocketMagic) allow you to set exception lists so you get to choose what gets automatically closed instead of minimized.
That's the best way with the Wizard, as some apps need to be kept in memory due to the slow loading times from ROM, e.g. Calendar, Contacts and Messaging. For URLs, Google is your friend.
I actually prefer managing what's running in the memory manually. gives me a feeling of control. I usually leave some of the frequent apps running. stuff like calendar, phone, activesync, IE.

Not saving changes.

I installed a couple of programs over the last couple of days, Spb Weather and Launch Manager and when changing the setting or configuration the programs shut down and nothing changes??
Everything else is working on my wizard, has anybody else experienced this?
Both programs were installed on the storage card.
Spb weather has worked on my wizard before with no problems.
Ixtana_ran said:
I installed a couple of programs over the last couple of days, Spb Weather and Launch Manager and when changing the setting or configuration the programs shut down and nothing changes??
Everything else is working on my wizard, has anybody else experienced this?
Both programs were installed on the storage card.
Spb weather has worked on my wizard before with no problems.
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Hi Ixtana_ran, I developed Fantastic Bytes Launch Manager...
Could you describe the problem in more detail?
How much free memory and storage space do you have?
Are you running Windows Mobile 5 or 6?
Very strange... and I have tested Launch Manager on a Wizard before.
Hi Carolos, no need to worry the problem is with me mostly.
When adding new pages & shortcuts I was pressing the OK button top right of screen and nothing was saving? I have since found out that if I hold the right softkey it saves OK.
This is probably a side effect of task manager or what ever program I use to shut down programs instead of minimizing (not sure of its name,Doh).
Enjoying using your app, hoping it will allow me to get rid of SPB mobile Shell, Phone Suite to try and free some resources.
Ixtana_ran said:
Enjoying using your app, hoping it will allow me to get rid of SPB mobile Shell, Phone Suite to try and free some resources.
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No problem
Great to hear you are enjoying Launch Manager.

Random Apps Closing?

Is it me or does the T-mobile Dash 3g randomly closes out of apps. I was in my Internet explorer and it juss closed out. It also does this when i recieve messages. Is it my setting or something because i cant uderstand whats doing this.
Mine too
I have the T Mobile Dash 3g unlocked with win 6.5, same thing started happening today...all apps closing after abiyt 10 seconds. Looking for the problem.
closing
this seems to be a win 6.5 issue, and possibly a problem with SPB software.
I foind this thread but there are others too:
I also found a reference to SK Tools which i also have installed. If I cant find a solution soon, I am going to reset the phone and start a clean slate
reset the phone
well i reinstalled win 6.5 and it was not so bad since i was near the beginning anyway and had all programs saved in one spot. I did not install SKTools this time, i did install SPB online, and so far so good, the apps are staying open.
BTW A GREAT free program is SMARTToolKit which will expand your soft keys and give you lots of quick options....works well.
Yup,it's not all apps, just seems to be IE only. And yes it wont stay open like all the other programs when phone goes to standby. Very annoying. FYI, I'm using 6.1
Dash 3G Apps minimizing
There are few threads on this issue. I have narrowed this down to some change in the registry. I will know which part of the reigstry shorty. After running one of many apps (SPB online, SPB radio, Wunder Radio, Pocket Tunes, SK Tools, even the native Bluetooth app) application windows will not stay open and apps minimze on their own after about 10 seconds. If i restore the registry the phone works fine again. Since this problem spans so many different apps and developers, it is a MS problem. MS may say it is the developers problem, either way someone needs to fix it./

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