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[Q] I'm sorry guys, rom help?

Ok guys, I'm sorry if this has been posted before but I'm really a noob to ROM and in deadly afraid of messing up since my s4 is the UNLOCKED one. Ie, I was smart enough to check xda first before accepting any OTA updates.
Now, my problem :
1: In every rom thread I see, people say how this or that is more stable, or this or that gives better performance. It's very confusing! Then when I go to the thread featuring said rom, it says "hey. Do this and that, then flash our rom".
At this point I get lost. How do I flash said rom? Yes, Google is my friend. It is also my enemy since it provides a lot of unnecessary and sometimes scary information. Ie, bricking. I don't want to mess up. I paid full price for this phone at best buy, but it isn't the dev edition. If I brick it I can return it but I won't have root. (ok, I checked. I'll have root but no room for rom)
2: I want a rom with better battery life and better performance, without needing to worry about continually updating each build. I can't decide on any roms. The best I can see seems to be hyperdrive?
3: I absolutely need/want said rom to work with all my current apps. Is this a concern at all or do they all work more or less? Some of the games I play use mpaax4. (galaxy on fire2)
4: what else am I missing? I'm not new to rooting. Just roms. The s4 was the hardest for me to root, requiring Odin. No one click method there!
Please be gentle. I'm not stupid, just afraid of messing up since at this point I have no safety net.

Omega rom by Indie is a nice TW based rom for instance that is very stable. Also nicely customisable and themable. You flash it with a custom recovery.

Now, my problem :
1: In every rom thread I see, people say how this or that is more stable, or this or that gives better performance. It's very confusing! Then when I go to the thread featuring said rom, it says "hey. Do this and that, then flash our rom".
At this point I get lost. How do I flash said rom?
-Flash via custom recovery (Philz, CWM, etc)
Yes, Google is my friend. It is also my enemy since it provides a lot of unnecessary and sometimes scary information. Ie, bricking. I don't want to mess up. I paid full price for this phone at best buy, but it isn't the dev edition. If I brick it I can return it but I won't have root. (ok, I checked. I'll have root but no room for rom)
2: I want a rom with better battery life and better performance, without needing to worry about continually updating each build. I can't decide on any roms. The best I can see seems to be hyperdrive?
-we cannot pinpoint the "best" rom. and these kind of questions are usually not allowed. the "best" rom differs with one's personal preference.. so you might have to read changelogs before flashing custom roms.
3: I absolutely need/want said rom to work with all my current apps. Is this a concern at all or do they all work more or less? Some of the games I play use mpaax4. (galaxy on fire2)
-yes, they will work regardless of what rom (unless you are on an aosp based rom and you want tw apps to work, the odds pretty slim unless someone ports the apps)
4: what else am I missing? I'm not new to rooting. Just roms. The s4 was the hardest for me to root, requiring Odin. No one click method there!
-odin is pretty the same with superoneclick.. basically, all you have to do is click on PDA, insert root file (usually .tar), put phone to download mode and plug it to pc, then click start.
*good luck!
Sent from my GT-I9505 using xda premium

Thread closed as its going to turn into a Best ROM thread.

[Q] need permissive...help

Hi folks,
I need a stock/near stock kernel (for 900P NE5 firmware) with SE set to permissive. I need it to be able to run my Appradio.
I don't care about messing with the clock speeds or voltage or anything!
I was running the Governaa but that's ND2 and seems to not be getting revisions.
So can anyone help me out? Maybe change the stock kernel over or tell me exactly how (what programs I need and what lines to change)
I can upload what ever files needed, just tell me what and where they are.
All I need is permissive
Thanks

bigred97 said:
I need a stock/near stock kernel (for 900P NE5 firmware) with SE set to permissive. I need it to be able to run my Appradio.
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I can only assume that you didn't look at the Sprint forum at all. Or do a search, because everything you want is in clearly labeled threads near the top of the forums. It's a good habit to look first before posting. Often you can get an immediate answer and it lets you pose more informed questions.
Lots of firmware and kernels to choose from. You could simply keep your existing NE5 (if you want), root it and then add a custom kernel. You need a custom kernel to gain Permissive status.
It's unclear what you mean by seems to not be getting revisions.? That sounds like you might mean OTA updates. It's not smart to allow automatic updates if you have a rooted phone and custom kernel. An update is likely to remove your root and other grief. If you really feel that you need automatic updates, you should buy and use either Mobile Odin Pro or Super Su Pro, both of which have features that try to retain or restore root after an update. That is not a guarantee that you will keep root, but it works pretty well.
The thread below has links to the firmware and custom ROMs (if you wish) or just to the rooting guides and custom kernels.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2742994
Enjoy
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fffft said:
I can only assume that you didn't look at the Sprint forum at all. Or do a search, because everything you want is in clearly labeled threads near the top of the forums. It's a good habit to look first before posting. Often you can get an immediate answer and it lets you pose more informed questions.
Lots of firmware and kernels to choose from. You could simply keep your existing NE5 (if you want), root it and then add a custom kernel. You need a custom kernel to gain Permissive status.
It's unclear what you mean by seems to not be getting revisions.? That sounds like you might mean OTA updates. It's not smart to allow automatic updates if you have a rooted phone and custom kernel. An update is likely to remove your root and other grief. If you really feel that you need automatic updates, you should buy and use either Mobile Odin Pro or Super Su Pro, both of which have features that try to retain or restore root after an update. That is not a guarantee that you will keep root, but it works pretty well.
The thread below has links to the firmware and custom ROMs (if you wish) or just to the rooting guides and custom kernels.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2742994
Enjoy
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Actually I did/do look in the sprint section, all the time. I had just go done going through every available kernel before I posted this. So maybe I wasn't clear on what I'm after, or maybe you shouldnt be so quick to assume...
Clearly the phone is already rooted if I'm looking to change kernels.
What I meant by " seems to not be getting revisions" was in reference to the "Governaa" kernel I mentioned IN THE SAME SENTENCE. Sorry if that was not clear.
That kernel has not been revised for newer firmware so I cannot use it. Nothing I said has anything to do with OTA updates.
All of the available kernels are way more involved than I need/want.
So for anyone that would like to be helpful, and is unsure what I am looking for: I need a stock/near stock kernel with SE status set to permissive. I don't need/want any bells and whistles
Alternative: guidance on what files/code I would need to alter to get stock kernel to permissive (if that is even possible)
MODS feel free to move this to the sprint section if you feel it's better suited there

bigred97 said:
Clearly the phone is already rooted if I'm looking to change kernels.
What I meant by " seems to not be getting revisions" was in reference to the "Governaa" kernel I mentioned IN THE SAME SENTENCE. Sorry if that was not clear.
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What you want is clear like mud. You are making lots of unstated assumptions. You did not say that your phone was already rooted, nor does it follow that it would already be rooted if you were looking to change kernels. You don't understand what or how permissive works.
And you (still) didn't explain what you meant by seems to not be getting revisions. You didn't even clarify that "Governaa" was the name of a kernel in your original post. And you assume that we are familiar with this specific kernel and how that might relate to "getting revisions", rather than simply stating what the issue is.
What is clear is that helping you further would be challenging, so I'll leave you to your own devices. Nevertheless, everything that you need is in the thread that I linked to. If you still don't want to read a few posts there in your own best interests.. well that's your choice.
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So if any one that isn't a giant Dbag, can help me I'd appreciate that. If what I'm looking for is not clear I'd be very happy to try to explain better. (Just ask instead of calling me dumb and lazy)
As far as not knowing what or how, ya you're right. What I do know is I need it in order for my app radio to work with my phone and i know it's in the kernel. Other than that I know nothing nor do I care to

[Q] Upgrading ROM etc.

A friend saw my Samsung Note 3 performance & asked if I could do anything for her Razr M.
System - 98..7.XT905.Retail.en.au
Android version - 4.1.2
I haven't rooted a Moto before so I did some reading - seems very different to Samsung methods and also seems to have far more ways to do it and also, the thing which gives me pause, a wider variety of things to go wrong. Don't get me wrong, I am not afraid of risking my phone - I have bricked my S3 and my Note 3 quite a few times in searching for performance and function.
But this is someone else's phone and she gave it to me for a day!!!
So, given all she really wants is better performance, I'd appreciate any advice on what I should tackle.
Some Q's... (as in point me to threads - I can read and work things out but some pointers on where to look can save me having to read all the threads in all the forums for a phone I will probably never touch again)
1. How do I protect against bricking? i.e. what is the standard way to reflash a stock ROM if things go wrong?
2. Is there a Moto repository for stock ROMs? Sammy has sammobile.com where all new releases (and old) are available for DL - does Motorola have similar or is it just Google and hope?
3. What level do I need to go to just to give better performance? (e.g. on my Note I did a lot of debloating to improve things, but that came after root, kernel and custom recovery so I could remove system apps etc.) Do I need to unlock BL or just root and install a custom ROM?
4. At first glance there doesn't seem to be many custom variations of the stock ROM, mostly CM and AOSP types. I am not sure how different that would make her phone to use, so I am assuming I'd be better sticking with a stock-customised ROM - is that a correct assumption?
Thanks for any assistance...

Journyman16 said:
A friend saw my Samsung Note 3 performance & asked if I could do anything for her Razr M.
System - 98..7.XT905.Retail.en.au
Android version - 4.1.2
I haven't rooted a Moto before so I did some reading - seems very different to Samsung methods and also seems to have far more ways to do it and also, the thing which gives me pause, a wider variety of things to go wrong. Don't get me wrong, I am not afraid of risking my phone - I have bricked my S3 and my Note 3 quite a few times in searching for performance and function.
But this is someone else's phone and she gave it to me for a day!!!
So, given all she really wants is better performance, I'd appreciate any advice on what I should tackle.
Some Q's... (as in point me to threads - I can read and work things out but some pointers on where to look can save me having to read all the threads in all the forums for a phone I will probably never touch again)
1. How do I protect against bricking? i.e. what is the standard way to reflash a stock ROM if things go wrong?
2. Is there a Moto repository for stock ROMs? Sammy has sammobile.com where all new releases (and old) are available for DL - does Motorola have similar or is it just Google and hope?
3. What level do I need to go to just to give better performance? (e.g. on my Note I did a lot of debloating to improve things, but that came after root, kernel and custom recovery so I could remove system apps etc.) Do I need to unlock BL or just root and install a custom ROM?
4. At first glance there doesn't seem to be many custom variations of the stock ROM, mostly CM and AOSP types. I am not sure how different that would make her phone to use, so I am assuming I'd be better sticking with a stock-customised ROM - is that a correct assumption?
Thanks for any assistance...
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Stock ROM repository for XT905 -> http://sbf.droid-developers.org/phone.php?device=20
You should be able to use towelroot to root it.
Can't help much further since I have XT907
Edit: You could try freezing some unneeded bloatware (I know there's A LOT of that on the stock ROM for my phone) to free up some memory improve performance and conserve battery

rahimali said:
Stock ROM repository for XT905 -> http://sbf.droid-developers.org/phone.php?device=20
You should be able to use towelroot to root it.
Can't help much further since I have XT907
Edit: You could try freezing some unneeded bloatware (I know there's A LOT of that on the stock ROM for my phone) to free up some memory improve performance and conserve battery
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Thanks for the help. I'm learning... I gave her phone back with just a few tweaks and will get it back when I am confident I can unbrick anything that might go wrong.
In the Sammy world, freezing apps requires root - same in the Moto-world?

Journyman16 said:
Thanks for the help. I'm learning... I gave her phone back with just a few tweaks and will get it back when I am confident I can unbrick anything that might go wrong.
In the Sammy world, freezing apps requires root - same in the Moto-world?
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Root will be required for freezing system apps, not for users apps. Rooting should be fairly simple (hopefully). Install, supersu from the playstore, have data/wi-fi internet connectivity, install towelroot and use that to get root.

Don't let her update it the latest update breaks root. Hopefully she is on kitkat and that is why her phone is performing poorly. Root with towel root then run motoapkakypse.apk to unlock the boot loader. Now honestly there aren't any Roms I'd call a daily driver yet with the kitkat kernel so you'll have to downgrade to the jellybean kernel and install one of the top 3 or 4 Roms... I'm still on stock I found that location services and a few wake locks were the problems and fixed them with an app called app ops
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The strange encryption misfire between TWRP & LOS-based OS's (questions/thoughts?)

The strange encryption misfire between TWRP & LOS-based OS's (questions/thoughts?)
Things we know:
TWRP and LOS-based systems with encryption either don't install correctly or boot correctly afterward. (2 different things perhaps).
Installing Magisk on non-encrypted partition gives boot loop
All LOS-based OS's must be installed on non-encrypted partitions
There is no easily found issue in the Jira issue tracker or TWRP bug tracker about this problem for the OnePlus 5.
I earlier posted this reply in the RR LOS ROM thread in response to another question about LOS-based OS's and encryption. I thought that rather than take a thread off topic, this is a better place for it. (where it can be totally ignored ). I shouldn't have attached this issue to a single ROM's thread since it affects a lot of LOS-based ROMs. There are other little offshoot pieces to this and some may deserve their own threads or questions at least.
TWRP: A number of people using TWRP (official or non) have problems restoring nandroid backups, which pretty much defeats much of the utility of TWRP if you can't do this. Does it have anything to do with Encryption? IT appears to, at least on the encrypted version when using the non-official version. There is a warning about it right in the thread title for non-official TWRP. I've had no problems restoring while encrypted using the official 3.1.1-1 version, but I'm beginning to feel kind of lucky in that regard.
LOS-based systems: These devices that are going to use LOS based systems require decryption of the data partition before installing whichever LOS-based ROM you're interested in. For some people, it's fine. They don't care so I don't see them as having a problem. I actually like encryption and want it, so this problem will keep me from using LOS-based ROMs until it's fixed. I've got a lot of years with Linux and Android experience, have helped with coding and customizing kernels, OSs and recoveries (mostly Philz) in the past, and would be glad to dig into the problem, at least for awhile to see if anything new can come to light but I'm not kidding myself or anyone that I can figure any of this out myself and I'm way out of practice.
Magisk: and non-encrypted partitions are also not happy together, but since I'm not too sure about the nature of that problem, I'll just call it a one-off for the moment.
Things to do: It'd be nice to figure out which area this "blob" of a problem is most likely to be in, and it'd be even nicer if one of the devs that I'll list below already knows where it is and could tell us. I can see some reason for suspecting TWRP and some reason for suspecting a combination of the OP5 FS in combination with the LOS-based ROM (or it's installer). It's not clear yet. I made a quick dirty list of some of the devs either involved with OP5 TWRP or OP5 LOS-based systems and will "mention" them in this thread in case they already know and/or are working on these things.
Another bit of this is that I signed onto Jira bug tracker (Lineage OS) to see if I could find even one sample issue that resembled this on an OP5. I couldn't but I can find some similar ones on other devices with dates only a month old. Part of this would be to try to get this either/both onto the Jira bug tracker or the TWRP bug tracker or both. Another part before that is really deciding whether this issue belongs in those places.
My question:
It's even be helpful to know whether the suspicion of LOS-based ROM and TWRP devs @apascual89, @DarkExistence, @Dees_Troy, @koenkk, @chenxingyu and @xdvs23 is that it is a problem due to TWRP or LOS ROMS or is it the combination of the two? It's be more useful to know what is most suspected to be the actual problem.
Thinking it over: It seems possible that encryption as it exists on the OP5 (in it's native OSs) is not yet available either as a blob or in an API (or in code of course) to LOS. If that's a decent premise, then LOS is just awaiting some nebulous release of either code or prebuilts from OP (not that that's any small thing or can even be counted on).
Personally I'm just curious to know what is thought to be the biggest factor preventing using LOS with encrypted partitions.
Many thanks in advance to anyone that can supply an answer(s). I'm going to do a git on Resurrection Remix to start looking into it. I've got TWRP already and am looking at that. My odds of finding anything are slim alone. If anyone is interested in this, it'd be useful for you to note your interest. If I can think of a unique way (or if you can) to describe this as a LOS-based bug or a TWRP one, then please feel free to either tell me or just open a bug report on Jira or TWRP.
Addition: May as well ask if there's already a link to an issue in Jira. I've scanned it but not found one: https://jira.lineageos.org/browse/BUGBASH-612?filter=-5
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Clarifications of what I/others would like for the OP5 (TWRP/LOS/MAGISK) spoken of above & below:
Thanks. I think my "needs" are not very many, but that like a lot of people my wants are more. In the era of very quick processors / TPUs (like the SD835/K960/Exynos/etc) AND dedicated H/W aboard for encryption/decryption, that encryption isn't a speed drain unless benchmarks are your main thing. (even then, I'm not sure it matters). Since encryption is a really important step in keeping at least some portion of our personal data personal, I like the idea of being able to use whichever OS/ROM I can get ahold of that I like with it enabled. It's not a do or die thing. I've used more phones without it than with, but I prefer it.
That's not really my main thrust with this thread, but it's one of them. The main thrust is just a hope that this will be one of those phones (like certain Nex(i) of the past and many phones of the far past including old droids) that allows you to configure them the way you want without too many impediments. I only mentioned about 3-4 items in the original post. If we could get a solid TWRP that reliably does what really defines TWRP (make & restore nandroid backups regardless of encryption) AND allows OTG, of course that's a great starting point. We've kind of got some of that spread across two different versions right now and I expect to see it pretty soon across both. Commits are out there that need applying and debugging so that is headed in the right direction.
The other big thing for me and I see others too is to be able to use the really innovative ROMs that are lately LOS-based without having to use non-encrypted phones, certain file systems, etc. I'd like to just have the phone setup however I want, and install the damned ROMs and have them work about the same regardless. I'm not going to gripe about the usual problem LOS-based ROMs have at first like non-working cameras and other things they need either code or blobs for because that's just normal. Eventually those things will work. I guess that as a long time developer I'd really like to know what developers think is the primary cause of the inability to install and get working LOS-based ROMs on the OP5s that are encrypted. Even if I don't think of it as some huge problem, I think it's really interesting and it's some sort of problem.
Magisk and SuperSU: I guess I just accept that these "SuperUser" utilities are always going to be problematic and part of the forever struggle between manufacturers and users that like to be in control of their phones. These two groups will be leap-frogging one another forever. Until the day when no one can any longer get a bootloader unlocked and root a phone, I'm interested and after that barrier is crossed, XDA will be a lot less interesting place and so will smartphones. Yeah, I realize most users don't even know what rooted means or bootloader. We can keep trying to meet these basic "standards/desires" until then.
So all I want is a good solid TWRP and the ability to install whatever ROM I want to without doing stuff to my phone I don't want to. I'll put this in some hidden section in the OP by the way. ----- Thanks.
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Updates regarding latest encryption fixes in a couple of LOS-based ROMS:
I got multiple reports that CRDROID (Los-based) and Unofficial RR (LOS-based) are both now patched to work with Encryption.
SO: It looks good for LOS-based ROMs now. 2 out of ~9 or 10 of them are working so they'll all be working with encryption (and without) soon enough. I'll kill off that part of this thread and concentrate more on getting the full-featured TWRP we can all use:
TWRP should be able to:
1) Backup and restore nandroids whether in encrypted or decrypted mode.
2) Be able to access OTG devices
3) Be able to convert or at least create usable a) ext4, b) f2fs (is there more we care about?) filesystems for data and cache.
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There's a few devs I'm aware of that work on it for OP5 but I'm not going to bug them just yet. I want to be more sure I know what each version of TWRP (off and non-off) can do and can't.
More updates about ROMs and TWRP's:
Here's some updates:
1) ROMs: It's looking like the custom LOS based ROM world is headed for encryption in some cases within a few versions. You can look at the last couple pages of official and unofficial RR to see what's been discussed, but it sounds like a trend is forming that pretty much matches the trend of smartphones in general.
2) TWRP: Even though this discussion (it's about the most recent dozen replies that include me, katinatez and xdvs23) is , I think, in the official twrp thread, it's about some combination of a) official b) unofficial and c) katinatez (Damn, I know I spelled his name wrong , sorry).
Official : Good points: Can do working restores encrypted /// Bad: Can't work with OTG
UnOfficial : Good points : Work's with OTG // Bad :: Can't do working restores usually.
katinatez TWRP: Good points: OTG OK, Restores OK, Encryption/Decrytion OK; But: It's not an official nor has a thread for it and you have to self-mount /system before doing these things.
The idea is to combine the best points of unofficial and katinatez and it sounds like development is back on, and maybe a commit of both katinatez and xdvs23's code can be performed pretty soon.
Some progress seems possible!
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Looks possible that TWRP (Unofficial) just took a leap forward and is doing a bunch of things right:
Things it's doing well (well via the few reports starting here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73220260&postcount=910)
1) Backup / Restore nandroids (I just asked for some details on encryption states in that thread but I think the restore was to encrypted partition.
2) OTG working
3) TWRP Themes working.
4) I'll try it and check adb access and sideload as well and report back.
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Thanks for carrying on the battle. So far it seems good to me, so nice work! -- I just installed, plugged in and mounted OTG device and did a full (all partitions) encrypted backup to the usb-stick, then restored it. I saw no red characters, and I may have forgot to save the log (doH!) but will look in the backup folder in a bit.
Currently I'm running noLimits with Elemental 1.06. No problems. Oh yeah, themes working fine as well. Unless something odd crops up, this could be a real recovery.
Good work to you guys for persevering.
Other things tested: Sideload mode OK; Adb shell OK. Installed xXx ROM latest version with another kernel: OK.
-- Probably this will be the last entry since a fully functional TWRP was a big thing on the wish list and it appears to be here. The thread is the "Unofficial TWRP" thread currently, but maybe it'll be renamed.

This is the one thing killing me about this phone right now. I'm an avid ROM tester, and I jump from ROM to ROM especially in the early days of development trying to find the one that has the things that I need working.
At the moment, after trying a ROM, there is no way that I know of to get back to stock without flashing stock recovery and stock ROM and re-ecrypting with "fastboot oem lock" and thus wiping your SD card.
It's a crazy amount of work for something that has always been so easy.

ArkAngel06 said:
This is the one thing killing me about this phone right now. I'm an avid ROM tester, and I jump from ROM to ROM especially in the early days of development trying to find the one that has the things that I need working.
At the moment, after trying a ROM, there is no way that I know of to get back to stock without flashing stock recovery and stock ROM and re-ecrypting with "fastboot oem lock" and thus wiping your SD card.
It's a crazy amount of work for something that has always been so easy.
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Same with me. I can a step back and sort of see the long view where this thing gets somehow solved in a day or a month or whatever, and the moment it's solved, no one recalls it was such a pain in the butt. IT does keep me from testing LOS-based OS's because encryption won't work with them. It does keep me on my toes whenever I have to restore my phone from a nandroid backup and that stuff seems like where we should focus some energy.
The thing that bugs me as much as anything is that there's no visibility into anyone "doing anything" about this. I keep hearing people saying (devs too) "I don't know" and "Someone will fix it" and that could certainly happen, (or not). I'd feel much better about it if I could at least search up a bug tracker issue in one of the fairly obvious places (Lineage (Jira) bug tracker) or (TWRP bug tracker).
You're right. It's an insane amount of time to waste for something that should be a 10 minute restore from nandroid backup, but the problem is clearly bigger than that even.
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Please try to add any ideas you've got no matter how stupid you might think they are. I'm going to start when I return home.

This would be a partial fix, if true....maybe not for you, because you seem to want/need encryption. But...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73130727&postcount=9
I don't necessarily trust a random person with a sub 100 post count posting a supposed fix for something that seems like a more serious problem, but you asked for it. It's a little sketchy, like Magisk 13.2 passing safety net, when it shouldn't. Unless his Google frameworks hadn't been updated since last week. (week old video)
I'm not sure of your needs, but personally, I would be happy if you could use OOS and LOS both on unencrypted or encrypted. His post shows OOS running on unencrypted, so presumedly you could go back and forth from unencrypted OOS to unencrypted LOS.
I certainly haven't tested it, and I am not really willing to. I have already spent too much time reformatting my phone and starting over from scratch. I'm gonna stay on stock with Magisk till this all gets sorted out.

ArkAngel06 said:
This would be a partial fix, if true....maybe not for you, because you seem to want/need encryption. But...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73130727&postcount=9
I don't necessarily trust a random person with a sub 100 post count posting a supposed fix for something that seems like a more serious problem, but you asked for it. It's a little sketchy, like Magisk 13.2 passing safety net, when it shouldn't. Unless his Google frameworks hadn't been updated since last week.
I'm not sure of your needs, but personally, I would be happy if you could use OOS and LOS both on unencrypted or encrypted. His post shows OOS running on unencrypted, so presumedly you could go back and forth from unencrypted OOS to unencrypted LOS.
@ArkAngel06
I certainly haven't tested it, and I am not really willing to. I have already spent too much time reformatting my phone and starting over from scratch. I'm gonna stay on stock with Magisk till this all gets sorted out.
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Because I upload the video at 2017/07/16, Magisk 13.2 can passing safety net.
This method also works for LOS on decrypted OP5.
I am so sorry for having low post count, because English is not my native language. :angel:
@ArkAngel06
I also post this method in following posts, however nobody cares about it.
Ref:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73046308&postcount=163
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73043647&postcount=585

snowwolf725 said:
Because I upload the video at 2017/07/16, Magisk 13.2 can passing safety net.
This method also works for LOS on decrypted OP5.
I am so sorry for having low post count, because English is not my native language. :angel:
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It's no problem, I thought the video might be like a week old or something, but i figured you wouldn't just now be posting the fix if it was done a week ago.
I hope some people give it a try and it works for them. You'd be a hero. :highfive:

There are some manual scripts you can run to keep the phone decrypted if needs be, personally I wouldn't bother, the stock Roms are superb.
Run the remain decrypted script after each flash and you'll be fine
I have a thread for this in the htc 10 threads
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This would be a partial fix, if true....maybe not for you, because you seem to want/need encryption. But...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73130727&postcount=9
I don't necessarily trust a random person with a sub 100 post count posting a supposed fix for something that seems like a more serious problem, but you asked for it. It's a little sketchy, like Magisk 13.2 passing safety net, when it shouldn't. Unless his Google frameworks hadn't been updated since last week. (week old video)
I'm not sure of your needs, but personally, I would be happy if you could use OOS and LOS both on unencrypted or encrypted. His post shows OOS running on unencrypted, so presumedly you could go back and forth from unencrypted OOS to unencrypted LOS.
I certainly haven't tested it, and I am not really willing to. I have already spent too much time reformatting my phone and starting over from scratch. I'm gonna stay on stock with Magisk till this all gets sorted out.
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Thanks. I think my "needs" are not very many, but that like a lot of people my wants are more. In the era of very quick processors / TPUs (like the SD835/K960/Exynos/etc) AND dedicated H/W aboard for encryption/decryption, that encryption isn't a speed drain unless benchmarks are your main thing. (even then, I'm not sure it matters). Since encryption is a really important step in keeping at least some portion of our personal data personal, I like the idea of being able to use whichever OS/ROM I can get ahold of that I like with it enabled. It's not a do or die thing. I've used more phones without it than with, but I prefer it.
That's not really my main thrust with this thread, but it's one of them. The main thrust is just a hope that this will be one of those phones (like certain Nex(i) of the past and many phones of the far past including old droids) that allows you to configure them the way you want without too many impediments. I only mentioned about 3-4 items in the original post. If we could get a solid TWRP that reliably does what really defines TWRP (make & restore nandroid backups regardless of encryption) AND allows OTG, of course that's a great starting point. We've kind of got some of that spread across two different versions right now and I expect to see it pretty soon across both. Commits are out there that need applying and debugging so that is headed in the right direction.
The other big thing for me and I see others too is to be able to use the really innovative ROMs that are lately LOS-based without having to use non-encrypted phones, certain file systems, etc. I'd like to just have the phone setup however I want, and install the damned ROMs and have them work about the same regardless. I'm not going to gripe about the usual problem LOS-based ROMs have at first like non-working cameras and other things they need either code or blobs for because that's just normal. Eventually those things will work. I guess that as a long time developer I'd really like to know what developers think is the primary cause of the inability to install and get working LOS-based ROMs on the OP5s that are encrypted. Even if I don't think of it as some huge problem, I think it's really interesting and it's some sort of problem.
Magisk and SuperSU: I guess I just accept that these "SuperUser" utilities are always going to be problematic and part of the forever struggle between manufacturers and users that like to be in control of their phones. These two groups will be leap-frogging one another forever. Until the day when no one can any longer get a bootloader unlocked and root a phone, I'm interested and after that barrier is crossed, XDA will be a lot less interesting place and so will smartphones. Yeah, I realize most users don't even know what rooted means or bootloader. We can keep trying to meet these basic "standards/desires" until then.
So all I want is a good solid TWRP and the ability to install whatever ROM I want to without doing stuff to my phone I don't want to. I'll put this in some hidden section in the OP by the way. ----- Thanks.

snowwolf725 said:
Because I upload the video at 2017/07/16, Magisk 13.2 can passing safety net.
This method also works for LOS on decrypted OP5.
I am so sorry for having low post count, because English is not my native language. :angel:
@ArkAngel06
I also post this method in following posts, however nobody cares about it.
Ref:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73046308&postcount=163
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73043647&postcount=585
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Thanks snowwolf;
I think I replied to some of this in my reply to @ArkAngel06 already and I appreciate it. For Magisk, it seems like we're in a race between Google and the Magisk/SuperSU developers that'll never end. They have to keep leap-frogging each other which I suspect they'll do for a long time yet. It's great to have work-a-rounds and with SuperUser utilities, maybe that's about all we can ever hope for. The emphasis has been thrown on "high security" devices by too many companies and even governments so that the security world will never again look like the beginning of the smartphone era when nearly every phone had an unlocked/able bootloader. I appreciate the reply.

dladz said:
There are some manual scripts you can run to keep the phone decrypted if needs be, personally I wouldn't bother, the stock Roms are superb.
Run the remain decrypted script after each flash and you'll be fine
I have a thread for this in the htc 10 threads
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I might just be too tired to do this right now, but is there a link to those scripts as well? Thanks for the reply. I think a lot of stock ROMs are really good lately too and most of the time, until really solid TWRP implementations and ROM implementations, I just Root, make backups and fine tune stock ROMs, but I love the idea of having freedom to use LOS-based ROMs in any encryption configuration I want, and to make working restorable nandroid backups which we're still working towards. I appreciate it.

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I might just be too tired to do this right now, but is there a link to those scripts as well? Thanks for the reply. I think a lot of stock ROMs are really good lately too and most of the time, until really solid TWRP implementations and ROM implementations, I just Root, make backups and fine tune stock ROMs, but I love the idea of having freedom to use LOS-based ROMs in any encryption configuration I want, and to make working restorable nandroid backups which we're still working towards. I appreciate it.
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This is my thread, never got round to making a script but shouldn't be too hard.
Haven't tried this on the OnePlus but the principle should be the same.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3604856
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Another thing to take into account now that may be getting solved with some luck is that the RR official build has had this commit applied today to attempt to fix a LOS-based build to boot encrypted. No one has any idea (I think anyway) whether it works yet, but we should know pretty soon. RR is pretty popular.
Here is the commit(s) I found ::: https://github.com/apascual89/andro...mmit/a13eef258620e0726c6dcd9e83dacc1342080ed6
I'll update the OP if it worked.

Subscribed to this thread, this was a fantastic, cohesive way of trying to get these issues fixed! Hope to see it succeed!

MrWilsonxD said:
Subscribed to this thread, this was a fantastic, cohesive way of trying to get these issues fixed! Hope to see it succeed!
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Thanks. That was my goal I thought maybe we're getting closer on some of these issues that all sort of whirl about one another in the encryption realm. The 'commit' in RR I noted above in some other reply was at least a brief ray of light but I've heard one report that it didn't work so far. I guess we'll see if anyone gets it to work. Cheers.
Quote of someone (and myself asking questions) from the RR Official thread where the commit to try to fix encryption+LOS happened earlier:
Hecke92 said:
Tried encrypted install, but cannot get past boot screen
Thanks anyway
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Just curious if there's any details you could share about which version TWRP,
which version and type (SuperSU or Magisk) SU and what you had installed prior to this encrypted attempt.
Also which type of encrypted (ext4, f2fs, etc) would be the target?
many thanks for any information either way.
And the reply I got back::
I have the latest tarp by xdvd (as i saw it was newer than official twrp). I am always using magic, but that is of no relevance I think (because I clean flashed RR and no SU is integrated).
Partition is ext4 and before I had OOS (XXX)

so apparently over in the RR unofficial thread there are users reporting that they flashed and booted on an encrypted device.
success.

Solved https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73143625&postcount=350

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Solved https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73143625&postcount=350
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Hey cool! That's terrific. I don't have time to scan the source and see if it's any different than the changes I listed from official RR but really this at least halfway satisifies the premise of this thread. I guess I'll keep it going until we're sure that TWRP can backup/restore nandroids no sweat regardless of encryption state and also handle OTG devices. Then I think we're onto a more solid start.
I'll fix this thread up tomorrow in the OP and when it's served a purpose will stop updating it. Shouldn't be long
Thanks to you last two guys for shouting this out for people. I asked a question at the end of official about where their github is located. I don't see it in the OP where official RR lists theirs.

Updates from recent comments in RR ROM LOS-based Unofficial & Official versions::
Since I've not yet found the exact source used in the unofficial version which is now working encrypted on the OP5, I'll have to wait to put up a link to it. @Eliminater is the author so credits to him and whoever did the working commit. If @Eliminater can give us a link to the working github where the changes that made encryption work were committed, it'd be appreciated.
Comments from https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/development/los-resurrection-remix-n-t3632856 (unofficial RR) seem to indicate that although they managed to get encryption working OK with RR unofficial that they "may" have lost the ability (at this point) to run non encrypted. I'm not certain of this but that's how the comments/replies look. I'm sure it'll settle out soon. I'm also pretty sure that every LOS-based developer for the OP5 knows where the source is where this change occurred and that's more important than me knowing where it is. (so good job!)
Comments from Official RR: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/development/rom-resurrection-remix-n-7-1-2-t3636578 where I found and posted the commit that was supposed to fix encryption, indicate that they're not yet quite there. Comments say that encrypted official RR is not yet working and still boot-loops. Shouldn't take long for them to get these two synced up, but that's just my take. On Official RR, decrypted works.

and now crdroid is also working on encrypted devices..
same Dev as unofficial rr.. (thanks eliminator!)
no word if it working on both encrypted and decrypted..
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/development/7-1-2-crdroidofficial-t3636441/post73146174

gershee said:
and now crdroid is also working on encrypted devices..
same Dev as unofficial rr.. (thanks eliminator!)
no word if it working on both encrypted and decrypted..
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/development/7-1-2-crdroidofficial-t3636441/post73146174
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Thanks for the report. It looks good for LOS-based ROMs now. 2 out of ~9 or 10 of them are working so they'll all be working with encryption (and without) soon enough. I'll kill off that part of this thread and concentrate more on getting the full-featured TWRP we can all use:
TWRP should be able to:
1) Backup and restore nandroids whether in encrypted or decrypted mode.
2) Be able to access OTG devices
3) Be able to convert or at least create usable a) ext4, b) f2fs (is there more we care about?) filesystems for data and cache.
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There's a few devs I'm aware of that work on it for OP5 but I'm not going to bug them just yet. I want to be more sure I know what each version of TWRP (off and non-off) can do and can't.

[GUIDE][addison] SETUP Moto z play XT1635-02 : from stock 6.0 to custom ROM.

I have the habit of always asking on a new device no matter how much I think I know!
I have an xt1635-02 (I am US ATT Prepaid)(nano SIM) supposedly here tomorrow so I've been reading tons here.
However, it seems that a lot of the threads are aimed at rooting stock, which I never do.
As a rule, it's trivial:
[!] In this case it seems best to OTA update stock to 7.1.1 if it isn't already. I believe bootloader must be 7.x.x for doing custom Oreo ROMs . Since mine was 6.0 it took about 8 updates OTA and maybe 2 hours(wifi) .
[!]I go to moto site and do the unlock bootloader dance (already carrier unlocked supposedly).
https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/unlock-your-device-a
[!]Then flash twrp-3.2.1-0-addison.img (Alberto97) using fastboot on my PC. (Ubuntu 17.10 dev 18.04 with adb and fastboot)(dual boot win7)
I do this twice in a row as I have experienced it not working the first time (dead android LOL).(OCD much??? )
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...recovery-unofficial-twrp-moto-z-play-t3495629
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[!] -->then flash Alberto's verity patch mentioned at the top of his TWRP thread
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...recovery-unofficial-twrp-moto-z-play-t3495629
This modifies stock. Else your backups of stock won't boot. Learned this the hard way!
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[!]Then use TWRP to backup (default settings) stock a couple of times and put copies of both on PC (via USB on stock).(or if for some reason my USB-C doesn't work, via wifi to my router using filezilla FTP and phone app: "wifi file transfer" by "DNL Media UG"(needs permission storage=on..) - I had to redo this twice - redo this twice - kept dropping back to stock recovery.
[!]Then flash the boot logo using fastboot on PC - I usually use TWRP for this but these that I found here are not set up to be TWRP flash compat so will just remove bin from zip and flash using PC. I think I have about 4 possibilities that I found on these threads. Nice! Easy.
[!]Then boot to TWRP and flash Alberto97's AOSP 8.1 arm64 ROM. Why that ROM you may ask. Been using mainly that Alberto97 ROM on my Moto G3 (32bit version of course), and love it. There's plenty of time to try all the others!!!
I usually consider 2 root options; SuperSU 2.82-SR5, or majisk 1520. (for future readers, these are the latest at this time.)(besides I'm very used to them.)
With SuperSU I have had no probs wiping all 4(Dalvik/ART, system, data, cache), flash ROM, flash 8.1 gapps, flash SUperSU, and boot to install.
With majisk I have sometimes had troubles during install if I flash majisk in the first batch so I tend to wipe all 4, flash ROM and gapps, and boot to install. Then when I finally hit desktop, boot back to TWRP and flash 1520 and reboot.
I need root to use TBPro - no restoring on first time with this 64bit ROM- got to do it the hard way!
SO I believe that's it, but if anyone sees a flaw or problem in there, I would appreciate your help.
Thanks!!!

yep look right, i would have added backup EFS and Modem partitions, if you want to be completely safe.
For now, open gapps 8.1 are only unofficial, i would feel a bit unsecure to use that, but it's only me.

fablebreton said:
yep look right, i would have added backup EFS and Modem partitions, if you want to be completely safe.
For now, open gapps 8.1 are only unofficial, i would feel a bit unsecure to use that, but it's only me.
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Merci! Many thanks for looking in!!!
Yes, forgot to add that - did much xda search on the efs thing and best I found seemed to be a twrp-3.1.1-0-EFS-addison.img which I may very well flash first and do that since no other TWRP that I looked at offers backup efs. Official and squid2 derived (G3) don't. I assume Alberto's doesn't. Seems like I did it very manually on the G3. If you have it it's a pretty good guarantee that you'll never need it! (Murphy axiom)
As to unofficial gapps, I've been testing about 5 different 8.1 ROMs on the Moto G3 over the past couple months and if the gapps aren't built in to the ROM(some pixelexperience roms), all you can get is an unofficial gapps, or do a minor simple hack to an 8.0 so it will accept it. Usually devs will include it. Bless Alberto97 for not including it so I can select my own!!! But I've had no prob with gapps. Open gapps project has 8.0, but of course they won't work on a true 8.1 unless minor hack. I was planning on using open_gapps-arm64-8.1-aroma-20180109-UNOFFICIAL.zip (from https://cloud.kenzoroms.club/?dir=opengapps) unless you have a better idea. I wanted to grab camera from aroma(somebody's idea), but I also have about 5 other cameras and gcams waiting on the Sdcard that I want to test, simply because there seemed to be disagreement on what works on Alberto's new 8.1 build, so wanted to be able to report.
Thanks again!

backup efs / adb way : https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/2zq0ff/friendly_reminder_back_up_your_efs_partition_if/

fablebreton said:
backup efs / adb way : https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/2zq0ff/friendly_reminder_back_up_your_efs_partition_if/
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Thanks for great link! yeah I think I used adb as well as an app last time. I'll add recovery this time so that's 3 backups on internal storage (and copied to PC) should be enough! (yes dear readers I am serious about this - 3 times! They are so tiny! And that pretty much guarantees I'll never need it, but if I do, it's childs play to get it back.)
Thanks!!!

If you're wondering about the delay, they sent me a -01 (Droid)(Murphy's law), so they paid for a UPS next day air label back to them(mailed at 4PM) - don't know if I'll get this going before Sat! Oh well!!! Never take these things too seriously!!! Gotta be costing them a chunk! I did briefly turn it on and stuck the SIM in it and it did show LTE on my ATT, but there's a few bands missing that are on the -02, so will wait. Pretty display, though!!! Really looking forward to it!!!

KrisM22 said:
If you're wondering about the delay, they sent me a -01 (Droid)(Murphy's law), so they paid for a UPS next day air label back to them(mailed at 4PM) - don't know if I'll get this going before Sat! Oh well!!! Never take these things too seriously!!! Gotta be costing them a chunk! I did briefly turn it on and stuck the SIM in it and it did show LTE on my ATT, but there's a few bands missing that are on the -02, so will wait. Pretty display, though!!! Really looking forward to it!!!
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Good plan on sending it back. You would have been SOL trying to root the -01

dandrumheller said:
Good plan on sending it back. You would have been SOL trying to root the -01
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Yes! I learned about 5 or 6 phones ago NOT to re-invent the wheel!!!

KrisM22 said:
Yes! I learned about 5 or 6 phones ago NOT to re-invent the wheel!!!
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Okay, refund for that and order another from somebody else! Next week...!

The only thing is no moto mods on non stock (any thing past 7.1.1 or aosp) roms

punkerEVO said:
The only thing is no moto mods on non stock (any thing past 7.1.1 or aosp) roms
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yes. stock 8.x is a no-no. This one that is coming is 6.0.1 So I will let it ota update to 7.1.1 after giving it a thorough check-out, then try unlocking it, etc. Sound right? I have no interest in any of the hardware-type addons, just the plain phone 3/32 octacore etc. Why this one? - I love the reception (radio) strength of Motos, plus a ton of other things. I stick with them. Plus it's all Albeto97's fault for deving on AOSP 8.1

Lol Alberto97's roms are buttery smooth!

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Lol Alberto97's roms are buttery smooth!
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I think they are. He recently came out with an 8.1 AOSP version for the Moto G3 and I love it. I test others, but that's my daily driver. Sure not perfect, but quite good enough for me!!! So I figure when I get it (Tues?) that's what I'll put on it. There's always plenty of time to test others!

Okay, since I am waiting for phone (Tues) , obviously I am worried about "what-if"s and so researching on what to do, "if".
I succeeded in finding a nice zip for 7.1.1 with the Nov security patch
https://firmware.center/firmware/Motorola/Moto Z Play/Stock/
(I am US)(there are many others at that nice site!!!)
That took a lot of time.
Then I needed to be sure that I could get RSD lite to run, and tried and tried to no avail to get it to recognize my phone (even on my laptop) (I was testing with an old Moto G3 stock zip and my G3 phone) before some post gave me a version number much higher than at the RSD site. google gave me:
http://rsdlite.en.lo4d.com/
version 6.2.4, which worked perfectly.
I really need to write a short guide on this stuff - feels like I'm re-inventing the wheel, even though many folks have written much before I came along!
The reason for the above two is that for a while the last few days I kept running into folks who had taken 7 OTA and wound up with a bricked phone. So, yes, I just did a search for "brick" on xda in moto z play and will start reading them! LOL
Quick EDIT: I think I am wrong in that brick assumption - the first 3 I looked at involved encryption and 2 downgrades to MM (which is a no-no). I will read further.
edit2 - nevermind - most are downgrading to MM. Wish folks would just ask before doing that. That is a no-no of most (all?) phones. -

Hi,
Please share your camera result using Alberto97's roms. I some ROM but i dont like camera result, i think stock ROM still better in camera.
Thank You

wakhidnusa said:
Hi,
Please share your camera result using Alberto97's roms. I some ROM but i dont like camera result, i think stock ROM still better in camera.
Thank You
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YES! Will do. I have about 5 cameras that I want to try though I will stop at the first one that works. Phone should be here today.

wakhidnusa said:
Hi,
Please share your camera result using Alberto97's roms. I some ROM but i dont like camera result, i think stock ROM still better in camera.
Thank You
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I have no problem with various cameras getting good image, but sometimes on still first pic doesn't save. ( tried camera MX and Professional camera hd. I'm sure lots work about the same.)

Forgot to flash Alberto's verity patch right after flashing TWRP. So I had to RSD lite 7.1.1 Nov 1 and start over - no big deal! OP corrected.

Hello Kris,
I would like to ask for a link where I can download a working RSD so I can unlocked my bootloader.
Thanks

jeprox said:
Hello Kris,
I would like to ask for a link where I can download a working RSD so I can unlocked my bootloader.
Thanks
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link to 6.2.4 is in the first post of
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z-play/how-to/guide-rsd-lite-mini-guide-t3740641#post75334194