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Test 1: Dual vs Single lens.
Objective: To see if Dual lens make a difference.
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Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/727998_hwm9_dual_lens_test.jpg
Result: Better dynamic range, sharper and more details with dual lens.
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Test 2: Dual lens vs Single lens @ 2X Zoom
Objective: To see if Dual lens is being used with Zoom
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/665216_hwm9_2x_dual_lens_test2.jpg
Results: Same as Test 1. Gives better result when dual camera is used.
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Test 3: Crop vs Zoom 2X
Objective: To see if zooming at 2X is better than cropping from "no zoom".
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/963384_hwm9_crop_vs_zoom_test.jpg
Result: Cropping from "no zoom" gives better results compared to zoom at 2X.
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Test 4: Crop vs Zoom 6X
Objective: To see if zooming at 6X is better than cropping from "no zoom".
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/417709_hwm9_6x_crop_vs_zoom_test.jpg
Results: Unlike 2X zoom. 6X digital zoom gives better results than cropping.
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Test 5: Colour vs Monochrome OIS
Objective: To test if OIS is working in monocrhome
Animated full size: https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2EYMtG5mru2Yvu/source.gif
Results: Proves that OIS is not working in monochrome mode.
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Test 5: Monochrome vs Colour->Mono.
Objective: To see how monochrome camera compares to colored photo converted to mono.
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/858178_hwm9_2x_mono_vs_color2mono.jpg
(Nik collection silver plugin is used to convert colored photo to mono. Curve editor is then used to make it look similar to the monochrome pic.)
Results: Converted Colour to Mono looks sharper and has more details.
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Test 6: Low Light test - Normal vs HDR vs Night
Objective: Mode that is good for low light situations
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/622057_hwm9_low_light_normal_vs_hdr_vs_night.jpg
Results: Obviously Night Mode produces the best result in the situation where you can stabilize the phone & the subjects are non-living things. Using HDR produces better results than normal mode when used in low light situations.
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Test 7: 20mp vs 12mp
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/991377_hwm9_20vs12mp.jpg
Results: 20MP has slightly more details which can only be seen when pixel peeped.
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Test 8: Colour Test: Default vs Vivid vs Smooth
Objective: Which colour mode is best for everyday use?
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/403146_hwm9_color_test.jpg
Results: Default colours are bland but retains the most details - useful for post editing.
Vivid is over-saturated while Smooth gives the most natural colors. Both looks good enough to share to social media without much edit.
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Test 9: BG Blur - Huawei Wide Aperture vs Google Camera Lens Blur vs AfterFocus Pro
Objective: Which is the best solution for BG blur?
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/598490_hwm9_bg_blur.jpg
Results: Huawei Mate 9's Wide Aperture mode only takes pictures at 12MP but it's better than Google Camera (installed on Mate 9) which takes lens blur photo at 3.1MP. AfterFocus Pro is an app used to add manually draw and add bg blur to get similar effects but the process takes about 2-3 min minimum for each picture.
Huawei's Wide Aperture mode has the most pleasant bokeh (blur) especially in the highlights. However, both Wide Aperture mode and Google Lens Blur are often a hit and miss on which part of the background to blur. In this example, the blur is not applied between Goku's legs (and on google camera it's worse) as the softwares struggle against complicated subjects and backgrounds.
Good thing is, Huawei improved the Mate 9 over P9 by implementing live Wide Aperture View on the Mate 9 so users can shift the camera real time to get better results.
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Test 10: Zoom 6X(cropped) vs 10X (B158)
Objective: Is there a difference in quality?
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/935701_hwm9_6x_vs_10x.jpg
Results: 10X zoom looks slightly more detailed than 6X zoom but only when pixel peeped.
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Test 11: How to test your camera for stucked pixels?
Objective: Are there stucked pixels in your camera sensor?
How: Start camera, swipe right and choose night mode. Cover the camera and take a picture which will last 20s.
Clusters of stucked pixels circled from my Mate 9. There are many other stucked pixels but are not as obvious.
Full size: http://img.pixady.com/2017/02/609314_hp.jpg
For some digital cameras, there are pixel remapping functions to attempt to get rid of stucked pixels. However, it's not possible to do that now for Huawei Mate 9. I have contacted the my local Huawei Support and at first, they have no idea what they are. After several emails, they gave 2 solutions: 1st to clear data/cache of the camera which doesn't work on my Mate 9, and 2nd, to factory reset my phone which I will not be able to do any time soon.
Please test to see if the same problem occurs on your Mate 9, and if there is, please contact Huawei Support and see if they have any solutions from your side. If someone is able to get rid of stucked pixels from by factory resetting (highly doubtful), please post as well.
Note that the stucked pixel clusters only shows up during long exposures like night mode and light painting.
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Taken with B138 firmware.
B158 from Test 10 onwards.
Flawed test. Sorry. Both lenses are used with zoom.
gavinfabl said:
Flawed test. Sorry. Both lenses are used with zoom.
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No need to be sorry. I have re-tested and you're right. I'll update the results. Thanks.
Nikorasu said:
No need to be sorry. I have re-tested and you're right. I'll update the results. Thanks.
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Thanks for the tests, I already did this in amateur way and I saw that when covering the monochrome lens the information on the histogram changes, besides the warning on the camera that says no to cover the lens; so I guess this time both cameras are used.
But I still have a question, and I don't know if you can test it as well. It seems the monochrome lens lacks of stabilization (OIS), where the color one is stabilized. How I noticed this?, is easy, just try to use the 6X zoom while handling the device ion hands and you will notice that with the monochrome lens is really shaky and unstable, while when the color one is stable and smooth.
I have good pulse, but while doing some pictures this weekend, I noticed this and somehow makes me think that maybe only of the lens are using OIS, or maybe it could be another explanation.
I would greatly appreciate if you can test this as well.
It was published before the phone even came out that only the color sensor had OIS.
dscline said:
It was published before the phone even came out that only the color sensor had OIS.
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Do you know where can I find this?, or any article or official statements about this?. I'm really interested in having more information about this.
Galaxo60 said:
...But I still have a question, and I don't know if you can test it as well. It seems the monochrome lens lacks of stabilization (OIS), where the color one is stabilized. How I noticed this?, is easy, just try to use the 6X zoom while handling the device ion hands and you will notice that with the monochrome lens is really shaky and unstable, while when the color one is stable and smooth....
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Tested and added to the list.
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Tested and added to the list.
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Thanks so much for this, I didn't find any information about this and I was just concerned to have a defective unit or something else was happening.
Too bad OIS is not enabled for both lenses, but still is a good job what these 2 lenses do.
Galaxo60 said:
Do you know where can I find this?, or any article or official statements about this?. I'm really interested in having more information about this.
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Here are a few reviews that mentioned it...
https://gavinsgadgets.com/tag/huawei-mate-9/
http://cellnet.info/posts/2016/11/15/review-huawei-mate-9/
http://blog.smartprix.com/huawei-mate-9-launched-germany/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10813/huawei-mate-9-launch-and-hands-on-kirin-960-59in-fhd-daydream-vr
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Here are a few reviews that mentioned it...
https://gavinsgadgets.com/tag/huawei-mate-9/
http://cellnet.info/posts/2016/11/15/review-huawei-mate-9/
http://blog.smartprix.com/huawei-mate-9-launched-germany/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10813/huawei-mate-9-launch-and-hands-on-kirin-960-59in-fhd-daydream-vr
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Thanks so much for the information, this is exactly what I needed.
Galaxo60 said:
Thanks so much for this, I didn't find any information about this and I was just concerned to have a defective unit or something else was happening.
Too bad OIS is not enabled for both lenses, but still is a good job what these 2 lenses do.
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No problem. I'm having fun doing this.
Update: Added monochrome & low light tests.
If you are good with editing software, there's no need to use monochrome mode at all.
Nikorasu said:
No problem. I'm having fun doing this.
Update: Added monochrome & low light tests.
If you are good with editing software, there's no need to use monochrome mode at all.
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Could you add another test, please?.
We can shoot color at 20MP as well, so I was wondering if shooting at 20MP can produce sharper details than shooting at 12MP. I mean, could the lack of OIS on the monochrome sensor could affect the colour photo at 20MP?, is there any real difference between shooting 12MP vs 20MP in color?.
Thanks for the excellent job!.
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Galaxo60 said:
Could you add another test, please?.
We can shoot color at 20MP as well, so I was wondering if shooting at 20MP can produce sharper details than shooting at 12MP. I mean, could the lack of OIS on the monochrome sensor could affect the colour photo at 20MP?, is there any real difference between shooting 12MP vs 20MP in color?.
Thanks for the excellent job!.
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I have tested and updated the first post.
There is negligible difference which you can only see if you compare them at 200%. However, if you intend to use it for professional work or prints then stick to 20mp.
Here is a print size guide: http://design215.com/toolbox/megapixels.php
Galaxo60 said:
Could you add another test, please?.
We can shoot color at 20MP as well, so I was wondering if shooting at 20MP can produce sharper details than shooting at 12MP. I mean, could the lack of OIS on the monochrome sensor could affect the colour photo at 20MP?, is there any real difference between shooting 12MP vs 20MP in color?.
Thanks for the excellent job!.
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Update. The 20mp vs 12mp test I did was done by keeping the phone as still as possible, so OIS was not really involved.
I actually did multiple handheld tests but they were non-conclusive as it's impossible to create the same amount of "shakiness".
Sometimes the 20mp version is sharper, sometimes it's less.
Also, added colour tests.
Nikorasu said:
Update. The 20mp vs 12mp test I did was done by keeping the phone as still as possible, so OIS was not really involved.
I actually did multiple handheld tests but they were non-conclusive as it's impossible to create the same amount of "shakiness".
Sometimes the 20mp version is sharper, sometimes it's less.
Also, added colour tests.
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Thanks for the nice job!
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Great write up. Pictures look excellent. I love this camera!
so do you recommend mate 9 for me?
i had mate 8 and camera was really medcore
it mate 9 better in camera?
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so do you recommend mate 9 for me?
i had mate 8 and camera was really medcore
it mate 9 better in camera?
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Yes, the mate 9 camera did get 87 Dxomark for photo which is 2 points away from the best, Google Pixel.
However, only on Huawei Mate 9 and P9 (and actual cameras) can get you nice bokeh effects like
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Yes, the mate 9 camera did get 87 Dxomark for photo which is 2 points away from the best, Google Pixel.
However, only on Huawei Mate 9 and P9 (and actual cameras) can get you nice bokeh effects like
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Going to test the 10X zoom in the new update?.
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Hello friends. As everyone aware, Motorola cameras are usually infamous for delivering poor pictures whereas I have been using Motorola phones since long time and somehow found them better than the competitors in terms of delivering details in the pictures. Motorola usually applies very minor software filtering into the images which results into grainy pictures but at the same time, those pictures retain as much as possible details. Reason behind grain/noise is the tinny sensor.
Have been experimenting a lot on my Moto X camera since I bought it. Today I tested something different and that was lowering the resolution at the time of shooting. And the results were surprisingly positive.
The magic is, just download any other camera app which allows shooting in lower resolution like 8MP or 5MP. The software filtering algorithm applied by the camera software is not suitable for the 13MP pictures. Whereas it does magic on the 8MP or 5MP pictures. The pictures captured at 13MP come up with lot of artifacts and noise around edges of the objects. But if pictures are taken in lower resolution then they come out very nicely, the ugly artifacts are just gone and noise is also reduced.
Now those who are thinking that we will be loosing out data or details if we shoot in lower resolution then let me assure that it won't matter, atleast not in 99.99% cases. You won't be loosing any significant detail from the picture, rather the lower resolution will make pictures more desirable to store or print, they will be more cleaner and smaller in size to store.
If pictures would have been taken in some DSLR or any other camera having decent size sensor then capturing lower resolution images would have definitely caused in loss of details but it won't matter in the mobile camera, atleast not in the current generation mobile cameras.
I found 5MP more cleaner but 8MP is best compromise if anyone is doubtful about loosing out details over 13MP.
13MP = 3120 X 4160 pixles = 15.6 X 20.8 inches @ 200dpi print size
8MP = 2448 X 3264 pixels = 12.24 X 16.32 inches @ 200dpi print size
5 MP = 1944 X 2592 pixels = 9.72 X 12.96 inches @ 200dpi print size
So even if you capture 5MP picture, there is still more than enough data for a print around A4 paper size.
Now important notes:
1. Capturing images at 13MP and downsizing them into 8MP or 5MP in the image editor will not fix the issue because the internal software algorithm is applied at the time shooting and that is not suitable for the 13MP resolution, even if we use any 3rd party app. So capturing images in 13MP mode and downsizing them into 8MP/5Mp is not same as shooting in 8MP/5MP modes in case of Moto X. Results are different.
2. Stock camera app doesn't support low resolution captures. No, that 9.7 widescreen mode is not low resolution, that just crops the edges. You will have to download any other app for low resolution captures. Just set the 8MP or 5MP resolution in the camera app and shoot pictures, but it should 4:3 format, if you are interested in 16:9 ratio format then you will have to set the resolution accordingly which will be more lower.
To name a few good apps : Best is : Modified Motorola stock camera app which is usually named as Camera+, can be found on XDA. You can also control the noise filtering in the app if want more details at the cost of additional colorful grain. Others are - Google Camera, Open camera, A Better Camera (Night mode of this app is really wonderful, use it for low light shooting) etc.
These are 100% crops from a daylight capture. EXIF : 1/40Sec, ISO-50
Download them and zoom out and try to notice details and the ugly artifacts:
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These are crops from the same shot but upsized to 400% to magnify the pixel level details. Ugly artifacts ruining the image details can be noticed in the 13MP captures:
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These are crops form the same image but upsized to +400% to magnify the pixel level details:
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These are low light shots of an advertisement in a magazine. Source of light was one CFL and window covered with blinds. Exif details : 1/33 sec, ISO-320.
100% crops:
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These are crops form the same image but upsized to +400% to magnify the pixel level details:
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Here is another shot. EXIF : 1/33 sec, ISO-500
100% crop.
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5MP
Now you must understand why Apple is still giving only 8MP camera? Because anything over that is just plain marketing gimmick, nothing more than that and needlessly occupies extra space in the storage. Mobile phone camera sensors are very tinny in size thus they are not worth to push to capture anything over 5-8MP yet. I have seen pictures taken from the likes of Galaxy S5, S6 and Sony flagships and they were nowhere near to any true high resolution image. Their software are much more aggressive which clean up the noise and bump up the sharpness at edges more aggressively but at the same they end up eating lot of details and leave the water-painting kind of ugly effects all over the images. Thankfully such aggressive filtering is not applied by Motorola, atleast not in the daylight shots.
Would have loved if Motorola had provided Camera 2 API support, that would have given more RAW data. If no than atleast different resolution modes should have been supported in the stock camera app. Let's ask Motorola to do that, let's shoot emails to them
Request to moderators - please don't merge this thread with other existing camera threads.
If anyone else have more tips to improve picture quality then please share here.
Hope this thread helps :good:
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UPDATE
Adding more samples:
Blind test:
100% crop
400% magnified of the crop
More details about the above crops:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61549911&postcount=42
More posts with better samples and tests:
1. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61552083&postcount=43
2. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61553750&postcount=44
Answers: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61566883&postcount=52
Will try to implement these great tips. Have you tried to use Camera 360 Paid version too? I was actually able to tweak some shutter speed in it. Had i understood more about it, it would have really helped a lot. Its only problem is that the app keeps running in the background causing huge useless battery drain.
I love Stock Android on the Moto X 2014 ?
grubber24 said:
Will try to implement these great tips. Have you tried to use Camera 360 Paid version too? I was actually able to tweak some shutter speed in it. Had i understood more about it, it would have really helped a lot. Its only problem is that the app keeps running in the background causing huge useless battery drain.
I love Stock Android on the Moto X 2014
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Actually there is some sort of internal software filtering which is applied at the time of shot capturing which you cant bypass unless the phone has got unlocked RAW shooting capabilities which Moto X hasn't got yet. So the damage is already done at the time of capturing itself which can't be reversed. The effective solution is to shoot in 8MP/5MP mode. If you have better camera app then it will be able to do more betterment since we are minimizing the internal damages caused by the flawed internal filtering in the firmware.
Please see the samples attached by me at 100%, you will get what I mean.
Ehhh the samples don't look very good. Best advice is to take pics at highest resolution and use imagenomic noiseware.
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Ehhh the samples don't look very good.
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Obviously, I did not capture the shots to submit into some photo contest, I was emphasizing on something different which I have explained in detail in the opening post. Whatever I have posted are cropped portions of the full resolution images
Best advice is to take pics at highest resolution and use imagenomic noiseware.
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Noise removal tools will do magics if you apply them on 8MP/5MP shots instead of the 13MP. The max possible resolution is actually spoiling the pictures in the case of MotoX. It adds hell lot of artifacts in the 13MP pictures, thats what I meant by this post. To make things more clear, its not like typical downsizing to reduce the noise. Infact downsizing the 13MP shots into 8MP or 5MP won't reduce the artifacts, those will remain there but capturing the images directly into the 8MP/5MP modes yielding much different and better results.
Please test yourself if you don't believe me.
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All of the images I posted were unedited except resizing and cropping.
Here is one comparo which shows the terrible artifacts ruining the pictures and they exist only in the 13MP shots:
400% upsized version:
See this image shot from the stock moto camera at 13mp with manual focus and manual exposure. Just added my signature in it! I think the camera app did pretty awesome in just a flash and macro mode even in low light! Surprisingly!
Here are crops from the few test shots I captured in 8MP mode today, no other editing except cropping.
Pictures are coming out much more clearer, no ugly artifacts, no need for any post processing to clean out the noise now.
Post processing has become a breeze now, earlier artifact were coming in the way of post processing if I wanted to add some effects or wanted to add more sharpness in the pictures.
Tl/Dr: use Google Camera at 5 or 8 mp, pictures automatically become better?
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Tl/Dr: use Google Camera at 5 or 8 mp, pictures automatically become better?
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Yes. Try yourself to belive it.
Shoot few different light condition shots at 13MP, 8MP and 5MP then see yourself the difference by zooming into the pictures, probably on computer monitor. You will find ugly artifacts only in the 13MP mode which won't be in the other two modes.
So true about megapixels not mattering much.
Here is a "famous" article from 2008 when the megapixel wars started in earnest. It was wriiten about DSLR's but applies here as well.
Interesting read if you like this kind of stuff:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/mpmyth.htm
I'm using HTC Camera for a while now and after this thread I realize that the highest resolution from the app is 9.7MP.
With the best autofocus I've ever seen, this camera is the best.
I just did some limited testing of 13mp vs 5mp. Low light shooting a group of objects, some with text on them. 5mp definitely better. Object borders less blurred. Text easier to read in 5mp. I used the debug settings in the stock camera. Made accessible w/ the xposed module known as "moto checkbox"
Julianocas said:
I'm using HTC Camera for a while now and after this thread I realize that the highest resolution from the app is 9.7MP.
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That is widescreen mode which is there in the stock camera app as well. Read the point number "2" in my opening post for detailed explanation. You will have to shoot in median (3840X2160 mode to get 8MP equivalent quality.
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I just did some limited testing of 13mp vs 5mp. Low light shooting a group of objects, some with text on them. 5mp definitely better. Object borders less blurred. Text easier to read in 5mp. I used the debug settings in the stock camera. Made accessible w/ the xposed module known as "moto checkbox"
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If using xposed then you must also see few options for noise filtering? If so then see if there is chcekbox for QC denoise or similar, if it is then turn it off. Now you can get more details in the 13MP but pictures will be grainy/noisy, especially in lowlight situations.
So if one wants decent quality pictures straight out of the camera then better to shoot in 5MP or 8MP resolutions.
Great work indeed jacky !!! You seem tonknow your images well and how to capture em .. way to go mate .
All the best
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any way to fix the focus issue of the camera? i believe i'm not the only one facing issues while attempting to take macro shots not that it really matters much to me.. hardly use the camera but yeah. this phone would've been a lot more popular if the camera was on par with the rest!
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any way to fix the focus issue of the camera? i believe i'm not the only one facing issues while attempting to take macro shots not that it really matters much to me.. hardly use the camera but yeah. this phone would've been a lot more popular if the camera was on par with the rest!
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Believe me, this is one of the best cellphone camera I've come across. so far.
Have a look at these macro shots I posted earlier after following the majors I posted in the opening post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61501824&postcount=7
About the focusing issue, have you tried enabling manual focus and turning off Auto HDR off? Also try out some other apps, please go thorough my opening post for hints on apps and other tips.
Only hardware problem this phone has got is that the lens is little bit misaligned at one corner so around 15-20% portion in that area always comes out blurred. Though most of other cellphone cameras also don't have perfect lenses all around the corners.
Thanks a lot for all the great analysis done! The study done by you should be forwarded to motorola for analysis and improvement! Now i am really getting great macro shots from the camera which i can boast about. Just one question, have u tried to revert back to earlier camera versions and done this analysis?
I love Stock Android on the Moto X 2014 ?
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Thanks a lot for all the great analysis done! The study done by you should be forwarded to motorola for analysis and improvement!
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Yeah, I had spent whole day yesterday on the analysis and thread post, rather have been experimenting a lot since I bought the phone and almost tried all the good camera apps available in the market. Reason was it was getting hard to digest for me that my previous 8MP Motorola phone was delivering better results than the 13MP of MotoX which is from the 3 years old generation compared to the MotoX which has got one of the best sensor.
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have u tried to revert back to earlier camera versions and done this analysis?
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I have lot of pictures captured from different stock camera app versions in different Android firmwares since Kitkat to 5.1 and all of those were captured in 13MP mode and all of them have ugly artifacts. I always thought to resize all of my MotoX captures into half but that downsizing also didn't help.
Only wish that the idea of capturing the photos in the low resolution would have come earlier in my mind, I would have had all of my previous captures in this new found better quality.
Now I am not using the stock app since it doesn't allow changing the resolution. Only wish we could set other app of our liking as default which can be launched using voice command and twist wrist gesture.
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Yeah, I had spent whole day yesterday on the analysis and thread post, rather have been experimenting a lot since I bought the phone and almost tried all the good camera apps available in the market. Reason was it was getting hard to digest for me that my previous 8MP Motorola phone was delivering better results than the 13MP of MotoX which is from the 3 years old generation compared to the MotoX which has got one of the best sensor.
I have lot of pictures captured from different stock camera app versions in different Android firmwares since Kitkat to 5.1 and all of those pictures have ugly artifacts. I always thought to resize all of my MotoX captures into half but that downsizing also didn't help. Only wish that the idea of capturing the photos in the low resolution would have come earlier in my mind, I would have had all of my previous captures in this new found better quality.
Now I am not using the stock app since it doesn't allow changing in resolution. Only wish we could set other app of our liking as default which can be launched using voice command and twist wrist gesture.
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I loaded the xposed moto checkbox module and with the dev options for camera turned on you can change picture size to:
4160x2340
3840x2160
3264x1836
2592x1458
1920x1080
1280x720
Would this not work for the methods your recommending? Or am I missing something?
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I loaded the xposed moto checkbox module and with the dev options for camera turned on you can change picture size to:
4160x2340
3840x2160
3264x1836
2592x1458
1920x1080
1280x720
Would this not work for the methods your recommending? Or am I missing something?
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That will definitely work, just make sure that you are capturing in 5MP/4:3 ratio or 8MP/4:3 ratio, not the 9.7MP/16:9 ratio mode. Please see my post number 13.
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Thanks a lot for all the great analysis done! The study done by you should be forwarded to motorola for analysis and improvement!
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If we can reach to Motorola then I have more ideas to share with them, but that looks highly unlikely. They look least interested in the camera, look at the terrible picture quality 20MP camera of Moto Droid Turbo produces. And hopes are more down after knowing that the company is now owned by new Chinese parent Lenovo.
The A2 camera app is somewhat complex. One of the reviews I read indicated you can manually switch between the 12mp lens and the low-light 20mp lens.
The review also mentioned that the app switches between them under certain circumstances, but it's not known specifically what they are. So went ahead and did the manual switch and had some good results.
Get the menu on the bottom where u can select 'photo', 'portrait', etc. At the end of this list (swipe it left) you'll find 'manual'. Select that to choose numerous options including 'low light camera'.
Note the low light doesn't have the ability to enable HDR, which makes sense as HDR is used in high contrast lighting, which a low light shot won't have.
These results, taken a few seconds apart, show how the 'pixel binning' of the low light lens really helps:
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The A2 camera app is somewhat complex. One of the reviews I read indicated you can manually switch between the 12mp lens and the low-light 20mp lens.
The review also mentioned that the app switches between them under certain circumstances, but it's not known specifically what they are. So went ahead and did the manual switch and had some good results.
Get the menu on the bottom where u can select 'photo', 'portrait', etc. At the end of this list (swipe it left) you'll find 'manual'. Select that to choose numerous options including 'low light camera'.
Note the low light doesn't have the ability to enable HDR, which makes sense as HDR is used in high contrast lighting, which a low light shot won't have.
These results, taken a few seconds apart, show how the 'pixel binning' of the low light lens really helps:
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Tap the 3 horizontal lines button in top right corner, select HHT to manually turn on this feature without using manual mode...
what is hht
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Tap the 3 vertical lines button in top right corner, select HHT to manually turn on this feature without using manual mode...
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Thnx, I'll check that out.
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"HHT (Handheld Twilight) mode takes multiple sequential images under low light conditions, aligns them, and then create a single optimized image."
found on the web. Sounds well worth trying.
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Tap the 3 horizontal lines button in top right corner, select HHT to manually turn on this feature without using manual mode...
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Experimenting with this, surprisingly, it doesn't use the low light lens.
2 ways to determine that; 1st the obvious and most definitive; cover one or the other lens and determine which one it's using. In the case with 'Photo' and 'HHT', it's using the lower lens. But if you go to 'manual' mode I described, select 'low light lens', it's using the lens on top.
2nd is the megapixel size from 'info'. The lower lens (12 mp) results in 9 mp in info, while info for the top lens is 15 mp.
Kind of odd really, as HHT is described as ideal for 'low light', but it doesn't use the low light lens? what?
I don't figure out the different low light camera modes as well.
Hope Xiaomi will bring a camera update soon, to get rid of that camera mayhem.
On the homepage it is said: "Smart lens selection is available for Portait mode only. Support will be added for typical photo mode in a future update."
I think that the back camera is dooing quite good in the darkness - but its not easy to take a good picture quickly , due to the complicated menu...
It is confusing @deckimbal it does seem xiaomi is working on bug issues, which is great news.
Tested the HDR capability this morning, it seems to do a very good job. The differences are obvious. Should point out, the lens was (set to Auto, so I didn't select this as an option) wide open (f1.7), which creates a 'natural' depth of field effect.
What that means with these pictures is that some parts, unexpectedly, are a bit out of focus. The best focus seems to be where the cars are, zoom into those and you can see that.
Normally, a shot like this would want the largest depth of field possible, not the narrowest, but still a good example of HDR ability;
Another thing, I remember reading reviews that indicated the MiA2 would have a voice activated shutter ability? If it does, I can't find the setting.
Either a voice or hand gesture is kind of ideal for selfies with a number of people in it, using 2 hands on the phone means it has to be closer to the subjects and thus less of a field of vision. One hand with voice activation would be much appreciated
Is the setting there and I am too blind to see it? possible!
Unfortunately, it does not seem to be possible to disable the pixel binning. For comparison, find below details from two pictures taken with the lens manually selected. The first picture was taken with the regular lens. The second picture was taken with the low light lens. Notice that although the resolution in pixels is higher, there is less detail.
regular lens, 12 MP, 4mm, f/1.8, ISO-100, 1/603 sec
low-light lens, 20 MP, 4mm, f/1.8, ISO-100, 1/1032 sec
Very interesting @feklee will have to do some additional testing on that, not what you'd expect for sure.
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Unfortunately, it does not seem to be possible to disable the pixel binning. For comparison, find below details from two pictures taken with the lens manually selected. The first picture was taken with the regular lens. The second picture was taken with the low light lens. Notice that although the resolution in pixels is higher, there is less detail.
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I have the same findings, seems to be impossible to disable pixel binning, perhaps in bright light the phone will automatically toggle that off ?
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I have the same findings, seems to be impossible to disable pixel binning, perhaps in bright light the phone will automatically toggle that off ?
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That kind of doesn't make any sense Philip. The lens that does pixel binning is the low light lens only. You wouldn't use it in bright light.
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The lens that does pixel binning is the low light lens only. You wouldn't use it in bright light.
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Then they could’ve just used a 5MP sensor: There is zero advantage of using binning compared to using larger pixels.
Binning allows for faster read out speeds from a high res sensor. In cameras it often is used for video recording. For stills, of course, one wants the full resolution, even in low light.
A wild guess: The CPU in the Mi A2 is not powerful enough to quickly do demosaicing and noise reduction of a full 20MP image. Also, it is possible that the 20MP module is actually cheaper than a comparable 5MP module. Furthermore, it is possible that Xiaomi likes to use buzzwords and false advertising.
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perhaps in bright light the phone will automatically toggle that off ?
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It was in bright light. I added details on ISO and exposure to my post with the example images.
Has anyone enabled the Camera2 api for their MiA2? I read somewhere that doing that improves pictures? Not sure what to believe until I try it. Doesn't seem that it should be too difficult to do.
Can anyone confirm that doing so will of course allow installing GCam ports but improve quality of oem camera app?
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Has anyone enabled the Camera2 api for their MiA2? I read somewhere that doing that improves pictures? Not sure what to believe until I try it. Doesn't seem that it should be too difficult to do.
Can anyone confirm that doing so will of course allow installing GCam ports but improve quality of oem camera app?
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It does, just check the thread in apps and theme section, there is samples
Thanks @dodjob I've read that thread, numerous times. Has a lot of great info for sure. One thing that isn't clear, is there a way to enable the cam2 api and then uninstall magisk and unroot? And have the cam2api remain persistent?
Read something to that effect in one of the MiA1 threads, but there weren't too many posts about it. Maybe just wait until Xiaomi updates it, assuming they ever will? I've had GCam ports on other phones, always an improvement.
Getting a 'true' bokeh effect vs a 'software' created one.
Because the Mi A2 has such a wide aperture lens, it's easy to get the bokeh (narrow depth-of-field) effect. It seems Google introduced the 'software' created one to compete with other mfg's that were using dual lenses to accomplish the effect.
But the natural one just can't be beat, the following photo's are (I hope) good examples:
This first one is a "portrait" shot, which is suppose to be used for bokeh effect: exposure values are 1/30sec, f1.7, iso400
The second one is a normal 'photo' shot with values 1/24sec, f1.7, iso400
The third one is another portrait shot, just double checking the first one really, values 1/24sec, f1.7, iso400
This last one, I think, has the best detail of them all, AND thus the best bokeh effect. It was taken with the 'low light' lens manually selected, all other settings left at 'Auto'. The values are: 1/24sec, f1.7, iso400
So, what are we looking for in the pictures? Look carefully at the 'fuzz' around the sock (that's why it was chosen), it's those fine fibers that 'give away' if the picture has a 'natural' bokeh effect or a 'software' created one. The software basically 'draws and outline' around what's in the foreground, and then puts what not in the foreground 'out of focus'. The results with something like fibers, or hairs, or anything similar, is to miss out on those details.
Where the 'natural' bokeh effect has in focus whatever there is within that depth of field, no matters what it is, nor how tiny the detail, including some 'fly away' hair strand.
What's the point? I think you'll get even better bokeh effects with modes other than 'portrait', you'll even be able to do some digital zooming with the other modes. If you zoom in on the pictures, you can see the excellent job the low-light lens did. Pretty impressive.
Portrait shots are coming dull. The face has no shining. The pictures are a little dark too. Any suggestions how to fix?
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Portrait shots are coming dull. The face has no shining. The pictures are a little dark too. Any suggestions how to fix?
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I'd suggest trying another mode, such as normal photo. Is there something about portrait mode that makes you think it's better? I don't use it so I honestly don't know if there are additional capabilities or not.
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I'd suggest trying another mode, such as normal photo. Is there something about portrait mode that makes you think it's better? I don't use it so I honestly don't know if there are additional capabilities or not.
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Everything except the portraits are fine to me. Even the front portraits are beautiful. But when I'm clicking human photos using back camera the results are really poor. Whether it's a normal photo or a portrait the results are really really dull. Not expected from a 20+12 mp camera set up. The colour of the face is so low that it makes me think it is captured may be from a 5 mp old camera. I don't know what's wrong. I'm on stock android with the August security patch.
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Huawei P30 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
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Hi everyone. Any camera improvements over Mate 20 Pro?
No sample photo here?
It's hard to find one even in youtube since all attention goes to the Pro version...
On my Channel you can find a review (but in german)
youtube.com/mobilejack
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Hi everyone. Any camera improvements over Mate 20 Pro?
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Hi. To be honest, camera improvements over Mate 20 Pro is minimal. I own this phone right now as well as Pixel 3 XL. Previously had Mate 20 Pro for 4 month. I expected much better and more consistent shots compared to Mate 20 Pro. But it is not the case here unfortunately. Hit and miss is still the proper description of camera experience. Sure the phone is able to produce really nice photos but heaps of crappy ones popping up too (over-, underexposed, overcontrasted, out of focus...). I wish that P30 would be better than Pixel 3 XL in camera department at least and I'd finally ditch the last one.
At the same time I'd recommend P30 (non-Pro) over Mate 20 Pro due to slightly better (warm) camera tone to my test, more comfortable size, much better fingerprint scanner, flat (!) screen, better speakers (even not stereo ones), headphone jack. Wireless charging can be added for extra $50 via quite nice official Huawei wireless charging case.
P30 Lite cam test
Selfie cam quality seems a bit iffy, says 32MP but more often than not I get a worse quality image than my 8MP selfie cam on the S9 gave, similarity the 40MP setting for the rear cam I can see no difference between 10MP and 40MP, I took a photo across the room of a label on a box, zoomed in on 10MP and 40MP and they were both exactly the same as each other in terms of quality and readability, only difference I see is you lose some options with 40MP such as zoom
Focus seems fairly bad too, it borders my face to say it knows my face is there but when I check the photo it has actually focussed on something behind me or my top or something other than my face, which is slightly OOF compared
In bright sunlight the 10MP rear cam takes great pics, low light is clever but not great quality, seems like Huawei spent too much of their time adding features and gimmicks than actually making sure everything basic worked properly first
That yellowish tint is horrible. When the light is a little bit worse it appears... What is intresting - on ultra wide mode it looks much more normally, no yellow tint, colors look more realistic. My HTC 10 from 2016 do much more realistic shots and the quality is much more stable on its camera. Have you the same look on your cameras?
And imo photos are very unstable, sometimes great, sometimes sucks, low sharpness, yellow tint, candy colors, dont like it. On selfie cam at least it looks very good for me.
I don't know what's wrong with your camera. I have a HTC U11 with GCam installed, (was my previous phone) and i like to compare very often the camera side by side and for daytime they look pretty similar, sometimes i prefer the P30, sometimes U11, but on low light, there's no contest, the P30 is way ahead, as it should be. And for the consistency, we have to accept that the lack of OIS means we have to be a little more careful when we take pictures.
Hey, thanks for answer. Dont know how about u11, but i found in my HTC 10 more softness image, in p30 looks a litttle bit grainy when you zoom photo you made. Have u seen that too? Yeah, in good light the same opinion : one time htc, one time p30. But when im in the building, room etc. p30 begins to give yellow shade. Maybe ill upload some shots later to compare.
In low light sometimes shots loks unreal lighty, but sometimes camera makes perfect job
I uploaded some shots :
First are the night shots : one the most realistic regulated manualy, one in auto, one in night mode - auto and night mode looks so unreal, dont like it.
Next in room : one in auto, one on ultra wide mode which gives much more realistic colors, on auto that yellowish tint.
And shots from work one on auto which gives yellow tints, and one on 3x tele which looks much more realistic (the tiles color) than auto.
Huawei made alot of intrested things, but they didnt paid enough attention and work on main camera in my opinion.
https://ibb.co/QJ2K294 - auto, turned light down manually
https://ibb.co/xYfS0hX - night mode (wtf?)
https://ibb.co/kMmw9WP - auto (wtf?)
https://ibb.co/fGWk39t - auto (wtf?)
https://ibb.co/xXTM5GX - zoom x3
https://ibb.co/pjnXSpN - auto (wtf?)
https://ibb.co/5hVx4k1 - wide-angle
This camera seems to take better shots in monochrome than colour
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Hello. Can anybody compare P20 PRO with P30 (not pro) in camera quality? I have had P20 Pro for a moment but "hit and miss" camera quality, especially for fast moving objects (children) forced me to sell it. Now I am thinking about P30 (not pro), but if it doesn't have OIS can I expect real any improvement in camera quality?
OIS or not you won't find much if any difference with either of those, they take too much time to process the photo once u press the shutter hence the hit or miss
This is odd. My three years old HTC U11 have IMHO better photo recurrence as P20 PRO (more hits nor miss). Also less images were blurred with U11 like with P20 PRO.
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Hello. Can anybody compare P20 PRO with P30 (not pro) in camera quality? I have had P20 Pro for a moment but "hit and miss" camera quality, especially for fast moving objects (children) forced me to sell it. Now I am thinking about P30 (not pro), but if it doesn't have OIS can I expect real any improvement in camera quality?
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Not so big difference in cameras !
OIS and EIS both both work together for better image processing!
P30 screen size is perfect for me !
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Like most of you I had much bigger expectation from P30 camera, but I am totally disappointed specially when found out cannot shoot in RAW, now I wish I went with my initial guts feeling and purchased the LG
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Like most of you I had much bigger expectation from P30 camera, but I am totally disappointed specially when found out cannot shoot in RAW, now I wish I went with my initial guts feeling and purchased the LG
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witch LG?
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Like most of you I had much bigger expectation from P30 camera, but I am totally disappointed specially when found out cannot shoot in RAW, now I wish I went with my initial guts feeling and purchased the LG
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You can shoot RAW photos in PRO Mode only!
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Here are quite a few sample photos that I have taken today with the P30 Pro. The camera is absolutely amazing.
Normal Mode (Auto):
Wide-Angle Lens
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Mine
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it looks to me that there is a difference in colour when i shoot in 1x vs. 2x/3x/4x/5x (probably due to different f-stops of the cameras?)
I a having thr device since 1 week now and seeing the problems that should be addressed asap.
Photo quality is only good in verry low light.
Daylight ok.
Dusk is the lighting which it struggles.
I have compared this to a op6t and op6t is a lot better
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This is my first post and Icannot link external images, so you will need to add https in front of the links
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(i think with night mode)
The midtones are nowhere to be found, and the pink artifacts on the watter are awfull
This is from op6t received image via facebook (i think with night mode)
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ovidiubuligan said:
I a having thr device since 1 week now and seeing the problems that should be addressed asap.
Photo quality is only good in verry low light.
Daylight ok.
Dusk is the lighting which it struggles.
I have compared this to a op6t and op6t is a lot better
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This is my first post and Icannot link external images, so you will need to add https in front of the links
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(i think with night mode)
The midtones are nowhere to be found, and the pink artifacts on the watter are awfull
This is from op6t received image via facebook (i think with night mode)
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Try using PRO mode first.
Also try other settings. Try night mode off as well. you really need to take the same photo with all these settings to compare.
Auto is not always the best (im a photographer and often have to go to PRO mode to NOT get a bad photo in challenging light scenarios)
here a couple form a gig i went to was quit fare back using the old firmware not the new one 124
Zoom Samples | From wideangle 0.6x to 50x digital zoom.
I made two videos to see performance in zooming. First one is made out of 12 photos of different zoom levels ( 0.6x, 1x, 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x, 7.5x, 10x, 20x, 30x, 40x, 50x) and it is made to looks fluently zooming. Second one video is for those, who want to see differences in zooming with P30 Pro and P20 Pro.
Zooming samples made into fluent video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi__GgLPWD4
P30 Pro vs P20 Pro zooming comparison
https://youtu.be/6AIQE4wkT48
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I made two videos to see performance in zooming. First one is made out of 12 photos of different zoom levels ( 0.6x, 1x, 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x, 7.5x, 10x, 20x, 30x, 40x, 50x) and it is made to looks fluently zooming. Second one video is for those, who want to see differences in zooming with P30 Pro and P20 Pro.
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This is one of the best photo comparison on YT. Thx a lot bro i hooe you weill make with P30 Pro vs S10+ and P30 Pro Vs Mate 20 Pro.
And very weird thing, P30 Pro is bad at x3 and 4x zoom and P20 Pro is much more better. Why? Will this be fixed in future updates?
I know the P20 Pro have optical zoom up to x3 zoom but P30 Pro have uo to 5x. :/
Bugs on v124 with p30 Pro vlog09:
- When in Pro mode, you have to tap for exposure before the Wide/1x/5x zoom on screen toggle appears.
- Wide in Pro mode has extremely aggressive noise reduction and over sharpening which makes the photos look rubbish. Compare to Wide in Photo mode which are less like a watercolour image. Wide in Photo mode is excellent.
- Photo mode doesn't let you change to Wide/1x/5x when the main camera resolution is 40mp instead of 10mp which is silly. It should let you change anytime. However, you can work around this by changing to Wide in Pro then back to Photo, and it will stay Wide. It will keep it at 20mp for wide too. This trick doesn't work for 5x zoom unfortunately.
Not bugs but observations:
The raw files for the 40mp main sensor have tremendous latitude and dynamic range. You can pull back highlights like nothing else. I'm used to shooting on full frame cameras (5d, 5dmk2, 6d) and m43 for context, and this has me impressed. There's not much noise, and the noise I see is quite pleasant, like a Samsung isocell sensor where it is a nice texture rather than distracting.
However the white balance is completely screwed on the 40mp raws. The balance is different from the centre to the edges so near impossible to get right in Lightroom. There's some weird green tint going on with shadows, and it's very difficult to get a warm yellow hue to an image (think: golden dusk sunlight reflecting off an old white painted villa) without it turning either sickly green or magenta.
And if you do get the white balance how you like it, too bad, the edges will now be green or magenta because of the aforementioned colour shift between centre and edges.
Note, the jpgs are fine, so Huawei are doing some serious processing to fix that up. Also saying that so you don't think my p30 Pro is bung, if that was true, then the jpgs would also be out of whack but they're spot on.
It'd be nice if Adobe figured out a calibration/process profile that fixed this up.
The raw files for the wide sensor have a huge amount of vignetting. Easy to fix however. The raw files have much richer greens in particular than the jpgs. Sharpness is very good. This sensor is a bit noisier than the 40mp one, but still really impressive. No white or colour balance issues.
The raw files for the 5x sensor barely need adjusting. There's some pincushion to tweak and a bit of contrast to add but that's it. Sharpness is impressive. Again white balance is fine.
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50x zoom
Also 50x zoom
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And very weird thing, P30 Pro is bad at x3 and 4x zoom and P20 Pro is much more better. Why? Will this be fixed in future updates?
I know the P20 Pro have optical zoom up to x3 zoom but P30 Pro have uo to 5x. :/
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The primary camera is used for up to 2x zoom, and the tele-camera for 5x and longer. For intermediate zoom factors, the P30 Pro combines image data from both cameras.
https://www.dxomark.com/huawei-p30-pro-camera-review/
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The primary camera is used for up to 2x zoom, and the tele-camera for 5x and longer. For intermediate zoom factors, the P30 Pro combines image data from both cameras.
https://www.dxomark.com/huawei-p30-pro-camera-review/
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That is good and bad thing. So if I want to make portrait mode x3 or x4 the photo will be bad quality
Can we see night mode on front camera in the future updates ? İ have both pixel 3 xl and p30 pro , i need to sell one of these , if i sell pixel 3 xl i am gonna miss night sight on front camera.
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Can we see night mode on front camera in the future updates ? İ have both pixel 3 xl and p30 pro , i need to sell one of these , if i sell pixel 3 xl i am gonna miss night sight on front camera.
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Am using AI-OFF mode only due to the very naturally looking not artificially saturated greens, reds and blues.
AI-OFF is more Fuji/Canon like colorwise. More true to life compared to the popping photos AIs or Samsungs scene enhancer usually produce.
In reviews it seems that 99% of us have already been brainwashed/conditioned over the years thinking non-popping colors = bad photo.
The real world is not as colorful as it is being presented on photos all over the internet .
what is best mode for good pictures? 40mpix or 10mpix?
10
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what is best mode for good pictures? 40mpix or 10mpix?
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If you switch to 40mpix you lose out on Huawei's AI processing which is way better than it was on the P20 Pro. I'm getting better photos leaving the setting on 10. I used to get fluorescent green grass all the time on the P20. They've come a long way in a very short time.
The Zoom is amazing!
Normal, 5X & 10X. This is hands down the best camera on a smartphone right now.
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i have mate 30 pro and p40 pro
I notice that mate 30 pro has better quality than p40 pro specially at night I will upload some pics
You will?
hmm ok?
I moved from p30 Pro to P40 pro - The main camera on par with better shots in the dark wors night mode?
Zoom is a lot better, but far from other cameras
Wide 18mm vs 16mm??? Bad move difference with main camera is not so big now and definitely far from Samsung's 13mm.
AI changed a lot especially in wide camera - pictures are not so punchy like P30's
Video is a lot better all over it but the zoom is not very good
Overall good improvement but not overwhelming.
Really struggling since the update I received yesterday ? Noisy night shots and a horrible pink/purple hue whenever the subject in the photo is black (my sofa for example). Would attach an example image but it doesn't seem to like me uploading anything ? Long term Huawei fan but for now I'm really unhappy. Preferred the P30 Pro.
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i have mate 30 pro and p40 pro
I notice that mate 30 pro has better quality than p40 pro specially at night I will upload some pics
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Are you sure? Yesterday was doing photos from mate 30 pro and p40 pro at night in the same place.
P40 pro Got really sharper details when you will zoom photos on pc.
Idk how to add photos then i will show here difference
I am a little disappointed, the pictures at night seem ok, but they are better with my old HTC U11 and GCam which is strange because the P40 Sensor is ten times bigger.
The pictures with the night mode are very noisy.
Do you think my P40 Pro have a problem ?
Here are the samples :
1) Huawaei P40 Pro
2) Huawei P40 Pro with night mode
3) HTC U11 with GCam and night mode
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Borh77 said:
I am a little disappointed, the pictures at night seem ok, but they are better with my old HTC U11 and GCam which is strange because the P40 Sensor is ten times bigger.
The pictures with the night mode are very noisy.
Do you think my P40 Pro have a problem ?
Here are the samples :
1) Huawaei P40 Pro
2) Huawei P40 Pro with night mode
3) HTC U11 with GCam and night mode
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you answered your question yourself, your using gcam try it with default camera they will not win with p40. if you want to make a straight comparison use gcam also on p40 then comeback at me
xnostra said:
you answered your question yourself, your using gcam try it with default camera they will not win with p40. if you want to make a straight comparison use gcam also on p40 then comeback at me
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I'd love it but I did not find any working GCam mod on the P40 Pro for now. If you know one, please tell me. From what I understand, it is difficult to port GCam on devices without snapdragon
Borh77 said:
I'd love it but I did not find any working GCam mod on the P40 Pro for now. If you know one, please tell me. From what I understand, it is difficult to port GCam on devices without snapdragon
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try this
https://droidfunk.com/google-camera-7-4-for-huawei-p40-download/
although i dont like using gcam cause otherwise ill just buy a middle range phone if i will rely on that.
i bought a s20 ultra and p40 pro for their specs and their camera so if i will just be using gcam in the end then it means their camera is a fail.
xnostra said:
try this
https://droidfunk.com/google-camera-7-4-for-huawei-p40-download/
although i dont like using gcam cause otherwise ill just buy a middle range phone if i will rely on that.
i bought a s20 ultra and p40 pro for their specs and their camera so if i will just be using gcam in the end then it means their camera is a fail.
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Thank you. I am sorry but when I click on the button "Google Camera for Huawei P40" it sends me to another page with many different GCam mods without saying which one is for the P40. Can you please give me the exact link to apk I must download ? I am very interested.
Borh77 said:
I am a little disappointed, the pictures at night seem ok, but they are better with my old HTC U11 and GCam which is strange because the P40 Sensor is ten times bigger.
The pictures with the night mode are very noisy.
Do you think my P40 Pro have a problem ?
Here are the samples :
1) Huawei P40 Pro
2) Huawei P40 Pro with night mode
3) HTC U11 with GCam and night mode
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Right now Night Mod on P40 indeed has some issue. Pretty sure it will be fixed soon in an update. Well its good already using Auto without Night Mod, where others left behind.
grizzlyspid86 said:
Right now Night Mod on P40 indeed has some issue. Pretty sure it will be fixed soon in an update. Well its good already using Auto without Night Mod, where others left behind.
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Ok, I understand now, thank you.
Be paitient, I have read the below on Huwaei's UK website forum:
Huawei P40 series has just received a software update in China, that installs numerous system optimizations including the camera features and brings the new AI 50MP high-resolution camera mode.
AI 50MP Mode?
As the names reflect, this camera mode is the combination of AI and the 50MP ultra vision camera. When a user clicks the shutter button, it takes a three-second long shot, similar to the night mode and takes a number of images then combines it into one.
The process creates a high-resolution image created by the pixels taken from the images captured during the three seconds.
You can see the difference when you pinch and zoom the images taken from regular 50MP mode and the AI 50MP modes.
Huawei P40 series equips 50 MP Ultra Vision Camera (Wide Angle, f/1.9 aperture) including the largest CMOS sensor to date. Measuring 1/1.28 inches diagonally, compared to 1/1.7 inch type camera in P30 pro.
More on this update:
A week ago, Huawei P40 series received a first software update that installed a number of improvements related to its camera and system. Now there’s new software version rolling for this lineup but this time it’s for the Chinese users.
Huawei is rolling out a new update for Huawei P40 series that installs optimizations for the camera, Always on Display, multi-device control panel, display, and system stability.
The update comes in two packages and the changes are listed below.
CHANGES IN THIS UPDATE:
Camera: Optimizes the photo effect in high-pixel mode, improve the imaging quality, optimize the camera stability, and improve the shooting effect.
Always on Display: Adds a new condensed color scheme clock style.
Multi-Device Control Panel: Adds screen collaboration support for Huawei Vision TV X65, to share video playback.
Display: Optimizes the display effects.
System Stability: Improves system stability for better performance.
HUAWEI P40 SERIES EMUI VERSIONS:
Huawei P40 and P40 Pro receiving this update with EMUI version 10.1.0.122 and 711 MB in size. The update is currently rolling in China but it may also expand for other countries with a different version and a few changes.
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L.
Broken Hardware
I have several issues with the camera myself. As one user here stated: my darkgray/black couch is purple/pinkish. Indoor videos changes colours, lots of yellow tone slightly transitioning to purple/pink and overubeautifiyng the scenery. Zooming in and out during the recording makes it horrible as the color changes a lot depending on to which lens it switches. Also the zoom is very jittery and camera jumps as it goes through the zoom and switches lenses. As soon as the lens switches, it kind of interrupts the recording for a fraction or turns black and then kind of like a lightbulb burns. Visible outdoor at daylight and very annoying at night or in darker areas/indoors.
60fps videos have horrible quality.
I have posted some samples on youtube, which I cannot link here due to being freshly registered after lurking around for years. Look up ThePussycuz if you care.
Pictures at night are very noisy and horrible, unrecognizable in the dark.
I wonder whether I have a faulty camera and should send it in or whether it gets fixed with future updates?
This is something the corrupt "review 2 weeks later- I'm working with Huawei $ )" , Youtubers wont tell you.
Anyway, Hope it gets fixed.
UXELLR said:
This is something the corrupt "review 2 weeks later- I'm working with Huawei $ )" , Youtubers wont tell you.
Anyway, Hope it gets fixed.
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So you think it's a software matter? Not sure whether I want to send it in, especially since I finally managed to get GMS working.
Sorry, don't know. In dxomark review there was some green and red color cast errors, and in other reviews the nightmode seems unfinished. As in not actually gaining picture quality. Have just tested the p40 pro in shops. That one seemed like missing HDR capability, blown out highlights, and was extremely sensitive in terms of blurry picture due to hand/camera shake. Hope other who has more experience here can help you. The phone is still new and ofcourse be better with updates.
S20 64MP photos look better than 50MP P40 Pro photos.
I can post two sample pictures of both devices of the same scenery and you can clearly see that the 64MP Samsung sensor does a MUCH better job!
P40 PRO 50 MP main sensor:
S20 64MP sensor:
It's not even close!!!! Look at 100% and compare yourself
jpg 100% cropped in
S20
P40 PRO 100% cropped in
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dezy1337 said:
I have several issues with the camera myself. As one user here stated: my darkgray/black couch is purple/pinkish. Indoor videos changes colours, lots of yellow tone slightly transitioning to purple/pink and overubeautifiyng the scenery. Zooming in and out during the recording makes it horrible as the color changes a lot depending on to which lens it switches. Also the zoom is very jittery and camera jumps as it goes through the zoom and switches lenses. As soon as the lens switches, it kind of interrupts the recording for a fraction or turns black and then kind of like a lightbulb burns. Visible outdoor at daylight and very annoying at night or in darker areas/indoors.
60fps videos have horrible quality.
I have posted some samples on youtube, which I cannot link here due to being freshly registered after lurking around for years. Look up ThePussycuz if you care.
Pictures at night are very noisy and horrible, unrecognizable in the dark.
I wonder whether I have a faulty camera and should send it in or whether it gets fixed with future updates?
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I had a look at your videos on Youtube.
You have a misunderstanding how the camera works, so thats why you get wrong results - or at least something you dont expect.
Your recorded video in 60fps does ZOOMING activities - and the P40 Pro simply cant record in 60fps on other lenses than the MAIN lense. So its ALL digital ZOOM in 60 fps videos.
Otherwise on the 30fps videos, the P40PRO can switch between the lenses during zooming - so of course, it can use it native 5times zoom lense - and so you get a much better result in the end.
Hope this clarifys it for other people too.