There are some weakness of nexus 7
1) lack of a microSD slot;
2) the main camera is only 5M and is not good enough
Both these weakness maybe fixed by hack in hardware?
1) Is it possible add an additional microSD slot in the PCB , not an USB-microSD reader.
2) Is it possible replace the main camera sensor with a better one?
While I would concede that anything is possible given enough time/money/expertise, my guess would be unless you are a hardware/firmware/software god, the answer would be "no" to both.
Thing is that
1. Not needed
2. You look ridiculous taking pictures with a tablet, it's an unneeded feature
3. Too much effort for no real benefit
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marsgod said:
There are some weakness of nexus 7
1) lack of a microSD slot;
2) the main camera is only 5M and is not good enough
Both these weakness maybe fixed by hack in hardware?
1) Is it possible add an additional microSD slot in the PCB , not an USB-microSD reader.
2) Is it possible replace the main camera sensor with a better one?
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I took apart my broken Nexus 7 (2013) wifi. The camera module is under the motherboard. After removing all the screws and stuff, the camera is the one thing that hangs - holding down the motherboard. It is a small square module that fits in a square hole in the frame. There is 2 sided adhesive on the camera module face which holds the camera in the hole. You have to carefully pry out the camera if you disassemble the tablet. I mention it because there was nothing in the how-to video I watched.
It should be possible to insert a replacement. However, I am unsure how the camera software works. There might be firmware or other settings in the OS configured to one specific camera module.
Good luck.
they are not weaknesses. We all knew there would be no SD slot, and we all knew the resolution of the camera.
IMO, two weaknesses are, and this does not make the device any less great, are the lack of flash and the multi colored led. No, i dont take pics with my tablet, but i do scan documents and checks. The colored led would also be nice to have, but is not a deal breaker. I still love this tablet and it is the best device i have ever owned.
The lack of a MIcroSD slot doesn't bother me, because I stream all my content locally through FTP. I have the 32GB model, so if I'm travelling somewhere, 32GB is way more than enough.
And, as z0phi3l said, you look absolutely ridiculous taking pictures with a tablet.
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The lack of a MIcroSD slot doesn't bother me, because I stream all my content locally through FTP. I have the 32GB model, so if I'm travelling somewhere, 32GB is way more than enough.
And, as z0phi3l said, you look absolutely ridiculous taking pictures with a tablet.
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My wife and I recently did a trip through Mt Rushmore, Devil's Tower, and other spots in S Dakota, Wyoming, & Montana. I was amazed at the number of people I saw taking pics/videos with full-size 10" tablets - bizarre looking to say the least. Weirdest though was the guy holding up his iPhone camera to a binoculars eyepiece, filming a video, all the while adding audio commentary at the same time. Something made me wish for a buffalo stampede right then ...
In lieu of a microSD, if I want more storage I use an OTG cable, thumb drive(s), and Nexus Media Importer.
I agree, the camera on this device is pathetic. It should definitely be improved. You could take an okay shot in really good lighting but that's about it. In most cases it's so bad that it's not worth it.
Lol @ people saying a camera isn't need and it's stupid to take pictures with a tablet.
I don't feel the lack of SD card is a flaw in the device because keep in mind what you're paying.
I believe Nexus devices emphasize the use of cloud services of that's why they don't come with SD card slots.
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I agree, the camera on this device is pathetic. It should definitely be improved. You could take an okay shot in really good lighting but that's about it. In most cases it's so bad that it's not worth it.
Lol @ people saying a camera isn't need and it's stupid to take pictures with a tablet.
I don't feel the lack of SD card is a flaw in the device because keep in mind what you're paying.
I believe Nexus devices emphasize the use of cloud services of that's why they don't come with SD card slots.
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The fact that a lot of people *here* are saying they don't need something doesn't actually negate the fact that the device would be more useful with a better camera. And there's a bit of a chicken and egg thing going on. The N7 is quite compact and having a better camera might actually encourage people to take pix with it.
That being said - the sad reality is that ALL tablet cameras suck as do most cellphone cameras. Nonetheless, clearly - a LOT of people do use the camera since Google was compelled to add it back in after removing is in the Nexus 7 2012.
As for the missing SD.. if it's cost, then why do other Android tablets much cheaper than the Nexus 7 have SD slots?
Google has actually answered the question of why there's no SD slot.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Google-SD-Card-Nexus-Smartphone,18841.html
"Google has explained that Nexus devices only offer fixed storage as the company wants to avoid "techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing"." They also say that having the SD card causes the experience to be confusing since users have two devices instead of one - and that apps don't seamlessly use both.
The former is just lame. The reality is that they want you storing things on their servers and not on your tablet. Not everyone wants to put their stuff on the cloud. "But you already do..." Yes, for small stuff. But my music collection isn't going up there - that would not only be expensive - but considering my cell data plan has a cap (and one of the biggest caps available here), playing music through my cell connection would cost a fortune. Movies would be way worse.
Blaming programmers for not providing a more seamless experience with an external card is passing the buck. It's Google's fault for not building that into the OS. Expecting the developers to do this ensures a horribly inconsistent experience. Since the underlying OS is Linux, there are mechanisms there to merge two mount points into one. That being said - I've never had a significant problem with having an external card., but again, treating the internal storage as a fake SD card is the real source of confusion. When you insert a new SD card - you get the internal one showing up as 'sdcard' and the new one as a different name. Just calling the internal storage "Internal" and the external "External" would fix most of that.
I do think it is possible replace some components in the tablet, because some components share the same hardware/software interface.
For example, image sensor may use a CSI interface. And most embedded processor should have a SD/MMC interface integrated.
If google add a microSD slot to the nexus 7(16GB version) , no one will buy a 32G version for additional $40.
Srioysly, you want a better camera, a misrosd slot and an integrated coffe maker with just 250$?
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Srioysly, you want a better camera, a misrosd slot and an integrated coffe maker with just 250$?
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http://pomegranatephone.com/
LMAO! Pomegrantephone is awesome!
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http://pomegranatephone.com/
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lmao. BUT BUT BUT it's not a POM TABLET :/
Seriously? I'm amazed by all the serious responses to this kind of thread.
I have the 32 gig model and I still have 9 gig left. I have tons of huge games and huge ones like mw4, mw3 etc.. I have about 20 videos, 15 email accounts and ton's of data. If and when I fill I will use Google drive. So need for the extra cost of an SD slot.
I have taken 2 or 3 pictures just to test the cam, I use my phone or my digital camera for serious photos. I would be happy of they removed the cameras all together or maybe just left the front cam for voice chat.
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Work gave me an X1 with unlimited everything. My dad wanted a good phone too so I decided to buy him anything he wanted. Ended up choosing the HTC Touch HD for him. The screen, 5mp camera, and the UI are a lot nicer than the X1. I prefer the design of it too
I'll have both phones for a while as I set his up so if anyone wants me to compare a specific functionality I'd be happy to.
PS: I cannot believe people seriously buy the iPhone 3g???
No Video
2 mp camera ??
No 7.2 mbit HSDPA
No front facing camera for videophone
No SD card option
No removeable battery???? So you cant carry around 2.
No bluetooth connections
Cant use it as a 3G modem
And on.
All that really amazed me when we were picking out a phone for my dad.
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PS: I cannot believe people seriously buy the iPhone 3g???
No Video
No SD card option
No removeable battery???? So you cant carry around 2.
No bluetooth connections
Cant use it as a 3G modem
And on.
All that really amazed me when we were picking out a phone for my dad.
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I was't aware that it does not have video. The SD card is not a serious limitation as you have 8 or 16 GB internal memory.
Non-removable battery, No GPS software, no office applications, and inability to suport stylus (for handwritten input) are the four main reasons I withdraw from my iPhone decision. I also did'nt like not being able to use better software keyboards than the standard.
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I was't aware that it does not have video. The SD card is not a serious limitation as you have 8 or 16 GB internal memory.
Non-removable battery, No GPS software, no office applications, and inability to suport stylus (for handwritten input) are the four main reasons I withdraw from my iPhone decision. I also did'nt like not being able to use better software keyboards than the standard.
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It has gps.
How is not having an sd micro slot not a disatvantage?
What if I want to load up 10 movies before I go on holiday (14gigs). Do they expect me to bluetooth it? Usb it?
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It has gps.
How is not having an sd micro slot not a disatvantage?
What if I want to load up 10 movies before I go on holiday (14gigs). Do they expect me to bluetooth it? Usb it?
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I don't call google map a GPS software. IPhone does not have GPS software in the league of the like of TomTom, Navigon, Copilot, and iGO.
If you want 14 GB of movies, you will need the 16GB iPhone instead of the 8GB one. So, I think very very few of us will find it insufficient. But I agree with you on the part concerning ease of transferring files to the device. With Winmo devices it is faster. more flexible, and easier, for sure.
That's why I'm so glad to have chosen HD recently.
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I don't call google map a GPS software. IPhone does not have GPS software in the league of the like of TomTom, Navigon, Copilot, and iGO.
If you want 14 GB of movies, you will need the 16GB iPhone instead of the 8GB one. So, I think very very few of us will find it insufficient. But I agree with you on the part concerning ease of transferring files to the device. With Winmo devices it is faster. more flexible, and easier, for sure.
That's why I'm so glad to have chosen HD recently.
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The HD is the best phone money can buy at the moment imo, all it's specs are way above the next best thing (X1, iphone3g, etc)
Ok this is not another i hate nexus s thread, but it's just my own opinion, on my only main issue, with the nexus s. I know to most of you, this will not be an issue, but for me the lack of a micro sd slot, put me off. I went into my local Carphonewarehouse and they had them in stock, i admired it and what a beauty it was, and ofcourse i new before going , it didn't have a micro sd slot, but the temptation was too much. I made the same mistake, when i bought my 16gig iPhone, and by the time, i had tom tom installed, which is over a gig, in size, fifa is also nearly a gig, and so are most of the racing games, i was fast running out of memory. By the time i had my music on the phone, it was already grasping, for space. I also like some android apps to download YouTube to watch later, and i also have a tendency of keeping my over 3000 plus family photos and video,s on the phone,so the 16gig, is just not enough, in the long run. I have an iPhone 4 32gig, and even then i still have to constantly uninstall and install apps mainly games, due to space, so for me this is the deal braker, and am struggling to understand why they left this out, because with the explosion of gaming due to come to android, the lack of expandable memory, will be a right pain, mark my words on this one.
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Ok this is not another i hate nexus s thread, but it's just my own opinion, on my only main issue, with the nexus s. I know to most of you, this will not be an issue, but for me the lack of a micro sd slot, put me off. I went into my local Carphonewarehouse and they had them in stock, i admired it and what a beauty it was, and ofcourse i new before going , it didn't have a micro sd slot, but the temptation was too much. I made the same mistake, when i bought my 16gig iPhone, and by the time, i had tom tom installed, which is over a gig, in size, fifa is also nearly a gig, and so are most of the racing games, i was fast running out of memory. By the time i had my music on the phone, it was already grasping, for space. I also like some android apps to download YouTube to watch later, and i also have a tendency of keeping my over 3000 plus family photos and video,s on the phone,so the 16gig, is just not enough, in the long run. I have an iPhone 4 32gig, and even then i still have to constantly uninstall and install apps mainly games, due to space, so for me this is the deal braker, and am struggling to understand why they left this out, because with the explosion of gaming due to come to android, the lack of expandable memory, will be a right pain, mark my words on this one.
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You can't compare app sizes on iPhones and Androids. iPhone app sizes can range from 5megs all the way up to 2 f'ing gigs.
Android apps have a limit of 50megs.
I actually have an iPod Touch 2G, 8gigger, Mod Edit: Talk of Pirated Content, and I'm not even up to 4gigs of it filled. I did have an iPhone 3GS 16gig a year ago and had 4 GPS apps, and I only used up about 8gigs.
You have have some real issues or an app hoarder if your 32gig iPhone is running out of space. (Unless you use it for music too)
But since you're having space issues still with a 32gig why have an iPhone at all? It has no expandable memory either. Rather weird you're bashing on the Nexus S with no expandable memory, yet you have an iPhone 4 32gig with no expandable memory and also having space issues.
Also btw, on Android, you can upload all your pics to picasa, and they are all accessible from the Gallery app at any time.
EDIT: I think this complaint about no microSD card is the worse microSD card complaint I've ever heard... comparing it to iPhone apps.... sigh.
remember that the 1gig of space for apps is not the 15 gigs of space as an SD card, so Fifa may be extremely large but the initial app is installed on "phone memory" and the extra is downloaded to "sd card"
The lack of an external SD card is bothering me less and less the longer I have the device. App space is a non-issue IMHO as they just don't require much space. While it would be nice to carry my entire music collection around with me, I wouldn't be able to do it in an acceptable format anyway as I have something like 120GB in FLAC and ultimately, I don't generally need to have more than 20 or 30 albums at hand.
All of this will be moot once Google launches their music service. Haters like to point out that streaming isn't a solution due to 5GB data caps, but I stream Last.fm in high quality mode an average of 4 hours per day and have never hit my cap.
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The lack of an external SD card is bothering me less and less the longer I have the device. App space is a non-issue IMHO as they just don't require much space. While it would be nice to carry my entire music collection around with me, I wouldn't be able to do it in an acceptable format anyway as I have something like 120GB in FLAC and ultimately, I don't generally need to have more than 20 or 30 albums at hand.
All of this will be moot once Google launches their music service. Haters like to point out that streaming isn't a solution due to 5GB data caps, but I stream Last.fm in high quality mode an average of 4 hours per day and have never hit my cap.
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20-30 albums at hand ! I find even that too much. For me it would be 6-8 albums that I m currently listening to wanting to listen to. Thats more than enough for me for a month long period Then swap them
the missing microSD support does bother me quite a bit, as I'm a heavy user. (16 GB of MP3, 1.5GB of Apps, not counting my collection of 720 HD movies, now i can't have all of that after switching from SGS, due the space constrain)
but luckly having a true unlimited internet over 3G/HSUPA it's a little bit less of a worry, but i'd still prefer to have access to Removable storage.
So i started this topic in DEV http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=885837
if they can unlock the USB to allow and mount external HDD & or USB memory sticks, then we'll be in good hands
Does anyoneknow if the NS as a sd card inside the phone or if its using nand memory?
If its a microsd inside, couldnt we swap it if the phone was taken apart?
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Does anyoneknow if the NS as a sd card inside the phone or if its using nand memory?
If its a microsd inside, couldnt we swap it if the phone was taken apart?
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NAND memory
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I actually have an iPod Touch 2G, 8gigger, jailbroken with TONS of pirated apps/games, and I'm not even up to 4gigs of it filled.
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Come on - some of us are developers. Don't be so cavalier about stealing others' work. I'm sure you've rationalized your behavior internally, but you're a part of the problem.
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Come on - some of us are developers. Don't be so cavalier about stealing others' work. I'm sure you've rationalized your behavior internally, but you're a part of the problem.
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I don't even use my iPod anymore. I only said that as an example, and I hate Apple and only have an iPod for testing and experience, not for personal use. For the Android, I've actually bought tons of apps. The refund period for the Android helps with making purchases too, too bad it's 15 minutes now though.
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16GB limit is probably the most limiting factor of the NS. That and the lack of a notification LED too.
NAND is supposed to be "lightning" fast but my experience with copying files to and from the NS is that it is way slower than an SD card. I know there are some tweaks out there to speed it up but still.
I wonder if the internal access for the CPU and apps is as slow; if so what is the advantage of NAND over SD?
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I see no big issue with the amount of memory and lack of expansion. Your looking at a very small group of people that need more memory build in. 16gb is plenty for the majority of users.
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I'm using my iphone 4 for music but the nexus s is such a pleasure to use.There's always m spot or spotify for music
Shame about no sd though, was weird choice.
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I'm not sure why people keep creating these threads? We really don't care why you didn't buy a Nexus S. We did and we know all about your reason and it didn't bother us as much obviously.
Per forum rules, don't get XDA in trouble; please don't talk about pirating apps, games, or movies. Thank you, and enjoy the holidays!
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I am pretty certain that you would not need to underoot, even. I believe (and please correct me, aficionados, if I am wrong), the Nexus as a 5th low voltage processor that works when no intensive tasks are being performed, thus increasing battery life.
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...payment register (using credit card swiper like Square or Intuit)...!
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Has anyone even tried this yet? I believe you need a speaker Jack that has both speaker output AND Mic input to use these devices.
The Nexus does not have a Mic input on the speaker Jack.
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screen out monitor, remote trigger, intervalometer, digital portfolio
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Tell me where I can get a compatible cable for a 5D Mik II and I'll let you know
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Looking at http://dslrcontroller.com/devices.php , it seem that you either only need an OTG adapter or in case of a similar set up with the asus transformer (Asus made the Nexus 7, right?), a special ASUS Usb cable (with a micro to mini usb adapter).
Any more than that, I can't help you as I don't have the dslr controller app, Nexus 7, or the cables.
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I'll order up some cables on eBay and let you know later this week.
I've been aware or the ability to control dSLRs via android and have done so using EOS Utility+Laptop
but with screen resolutions being what they were with droid devices I didn't see the point.
Now I have the N7 I can see how it may be very useful and be far superior to EOS utility+ bulky Laptop.
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There is a lengthy thread for the DSLR Controller here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1202082
People have got it working with an OTG cable, without rooting.
I'm waiting for my OTG cable (should be here Monday/Tuesday)..
Linking to a 7D, what are you guys shooting ?
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T4i ? nice!
If you didn't find it already take a look here, a whole bunch of info http://photography-on-the.net/forum/
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... payment register (using credit card swiper like Square or Intuit)
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Has anyone even tried this yet? I believe you need a speaker Jack that has both speaker output AND Mic input to use these devices.
The Nexus does not have a Mic input on the speaker Jack.
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This apparently is not accurate. There is a Mic, but the right speaker/mic combination needs to be used and a lot of apps don't apparently work while a few do.
Chances are, there will need to be some updates on this, most likely on the app side to get this to work properly. One would think that the credit card swipe devices would test it and tweak their apps to work. Think that using a smart phone might be a better choice since it has 3G/4G data and the Nexus 7 doesn't and would require a network connection to transmit the data though. Dont need a lot of size to do a credit card transaction.
So not to dis on the Nexus 7 at all but as a Photographer myself I would think you'd be better off with one of the Transformers for something like this. I just have a TF101 but its got a nice big screen and probably more than enough battery power with the keyboard dock for you to play with for a full day. Something like the higher resolution models out now would be even better.
The way I shoot weddings or even in the studio, it would be insanely cumbersome to move the subject, adjust the tripod and go to the tablet to take the pictures. I would end up using it mostly for previews. If you just want previews, since you have a camera with an SD slot, I'm pretty sure you're life would be MUCH easier just using a Eye-Fi card that syncs with the Nexus / Tablet by dropping JPG's into the gallery for you as you shoot (keeping the RAW's on the actual card assuming you shoot RAW).
The other thing to keep in mind with the Nexus 7 in your grand scheme of things is it is a really bad choice for displaying your portfolio due to the lack of on board storage and screen size. On a 10 inch table a landscape image looks small but barely passable in portrait and visa versa, on a 7 inch I wouldn't even consider it passable and would need to format portrait or landscape portfolios = more work for me!
Last but not least, just use your phone for CC transactions, it's always with you and always has a network connection and stuff like Square should just work without having to Jerry Rig anything.
Not trying to change your mind on anything, just some insight form a like minded photographer. Honestly with the exception of the Eye-Fi for previews by the time you mash together a workable solution you'll probably hate having to set everything up and find yourself working around a new set of self imposed limitations rather then doing what photographers like to do, taking good pictures.
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So I see this conversation taking over a few other threads. I am not trying to play clean up I just think we need a thread for it since it is a heated debate.
So no SD card... What to do... some say online storage and others say OTG.
I currently use both. I am on Sprint and running the Epic 4G Touch. I am lucky enough to be on a WiMax area so I can take advantage of the unlimited data that Sprint offers. But even with that I still use OTG.
If I take some pics and vids I usually start putting them on Picasa and Youtube pretty fast. This keeps my internal 14Gb memory a little more open for new pics and vids. I have an 8Gb SDcard and it is full of music. to this date I have only ever ran out of space once and I was shooting a 30 min HD movie on top of what I had not cleared off. I then started carrying a 32gig USB stick to help alleviate the lack of space but even that can get cramped so I have a 500Gb 2.5" hard drive and it works very well so far.
The other thing I have done, because we all know that Youtube recompresses your video's, was setup an Android on a stick TV device with an FTP server. Attached to that guy it a couple 1Tb harddrives. I can throw my vids up there as well when in a crunch.
As you can see there are lots of options to replace a missing SDcard slot that can only ad 32Gb of space unless the company paid the extra buck to allow 64Gb. That to me is still limited and I find it just as easy to OTG some movies off and on my phone as the USB sticks are easier to manage than opening my phone up to remove the Micro SDcard and put it into a USB adapter.
Again this is not a deal breaker for me as there are far to many options to a SDcard and some are way more convenient.
No SD is not really a problem for me, though a 64gb version of the handset would have been welcome, to many others aswell. I know one is due to be coming to the uk but not soon enough for some.
Not an issue for me as I have very little music/pictures on my phone and just apps.
USB OTG is more than enough for me
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I have 100GB Dropbox so it is definitely not an issue for me.
I always had the 32GB iPhone and I never had storage issues.
I have a 16 GB nexus 4. Its ok
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No sd card... Not a deal breaker for me... I think 32gb is enough for me... And yeah USB OTG can help u out...
32gb its good for me
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Its only a problem when you have 16gb or less space, games like gta and need for speed take alot of space.but great htc making 32gb and 64gb versions. .
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No big deal at all for me.
So all in all looks like a non deal breaker for most. But there are a lot out there that refuse to buy it because of this omission. LOL
I really hope that the 22nd is the date for the US carrier's because this baby will be in my pocket that very day!
It's not a deal breaker for me, the thing I like about the sd I'd if something happens to the phone how would you get your backups, photos, etc. off of it. I plan to keep it backed up to my computer or ex hard drive. Just saying
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At the end of the day, the only people that will struggle are those who are used to using devices with a lot more storage.
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For me it's not an issue at all. I used to only believe in sd card storage but then I started to realize I've never even filled up an sd card to it full capacity and I've only ever had an 8gb card so 32gb is more than enough for me I can't even see my self getting close to 16 gb.
Not to mention I've had an iPhone for about 2 years now so I've gotten used to not having an sd card anyways.
with my phone history realistically whether the phone had memory card or not I haven't even used 11gb of memory ever! especially when I get bored of things I delete them. I have a 32gb memory card (29gb was free space) and I still have 23gb left! and I have tonnes of videos and music and pics on my memory card. Just generally if I want to watch HD content etc I put it on my laptop which has 750gb hard drive plus a bigger screen to watch things on.
In terms of backing everything up, my most important things are backed up on my laptop and my memory card and memory stick so even if the phone was to die, I would have everything available anyway as when I take pics and videos etc I put them on my laptop then memory stick or memory card. I suppose having a card slot makes thing easier but i am not fussed. Have had xperia S, One S and One X with no memory card and hasn't bothered me.
Never took the SD card out of my Nexus One in almost 3 years. So to me the SD card is pretty much just a potential security problem, I don't care about that at all. A removable battery is nice, though. This is actually the only real problem I have with the HTC One, that the battery is not removable and it doesn't have a waterproof-excuse for this like the Xperia Z.
I've been saying this since the One X was announced last year. Is it a big deal? No. Simple.
In a year or 2 there won't be any expandable memory. Apple made it a standard years ago and clearly survived. I hate to compare to them but it's a simple concept that works.
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In a year or 2 there won't be any expandable memory. Apple made it a standard years ago and clearly survived.
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That's mainly because they increased the internal memory. With greater onboard memory it does negate the need, plus switching is just clumsy.
I'm coming from a 16GB iPhone 3GS and never filled it.
I'm just glad HTC went with a 32 and 64gb variants. Because if they would've made the one with just 16gb storage capacity, I don't care how good the device would've been, I still would have not consider it.
I rather have an sdcard slot. But with a 64gb internal storage, I'm good with.
I have a 32gb in my mytouch 4g and I'm already way over half of storage taken.
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The smartphone obviously isn't a replacement for a desktop (or media content server), but is sure has become a replacement for all the other portable computerized devices we used to carry: PDA, GPS, camera and mp3 player, etc. So, what kind of storage would one need to replace all those devices? Camera storage of 8 - 16 GB is not unreal for a collection of photos and videos, and music player storage of 16 - 32 GB is not uncommon for a collection of music. That's pretty conservative these days.
And ya, cloud storage is great, but c'mon, let's be realistic, we want all of our music and video content available locally so that when we don't have connectivity (like on a plane) we can still access our collection of music and videos.
32GB is almost NOT enough for many users. It is good that a 64GB version is available. I only wish the 64 GB versions were more readily available.
With ~ 25 GB of user space left over on a 32GB phone, that's not enough for me. I could make it work, but I would have to make some serious compromises about what I would have to leave out of my music collections, just to add a movie or two to watch on a trip.
An SD card slot would have solved the whole thing.
Just because Apple makes lots of money selling products targeted to users who care less about options than your average techie, doesn't mean it is a good idea to copy them.
I'm seriously considering the HTC One, but the lack of SD card and battery replacement has ALWAYS been a negative point against the whole prospect. The screen resolution is a plus, but they are starting out with points against them with the SD card problem.
And I really don't understand why they would do that.
I've heard that Samsung have decided against this fantastic feature out the box, something that annoys me somewhat. They probably don't trust people will know what it is and will ruin their phones as a result or perhaps they're scared people will run a class 4 card and reduce the system to a crawl. Either way, it should be an option if you ask me, even if it doesn't happen by default and you have to go out of your way to enable. I'd like to encrypt my S7 Edge, but have a decent amount of storage at the same time. The idea of having my phone encrypted but someone simply being able to remove the SD card and view it's contents isn't appealing at all.
I'm wondering if Samsung don't end up offering it in a future update, if it's something that can be baked into a custom stock build. Root would be required of course, but that's something I intend to perform as soon as it becomes available, I don't care about the Knox flag. I'm in the UK for a start so Samsung Pay means jack to me. And I've only every had a single repair performed by Samsung, and they did it free of charge despite the knox flag being tripped.
If you're lucky, then it'll end up in the new labs features. I think Samsung should've made it a developer setting out of the box but oh well. I prefer portable storage anyway.
squallz506 said:
If you're lucky, then it'll end up in the new labs features. I think Samsung should've made it a developer setting out of the box but oh well. I prefer portable storage anyway.
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Completely agree!
That was one thing I was counting on! I mean come on they want us to be able to transfer data more effectively... They have created apps that allow us to do that via phone to phone through Samsung or with 3rd party apps.
Let us do what we want with our phone! I was banking on this feature. If they are afraid people with crappy microSD cards will complain about speeds make it a user agreement before formatting the card that they must accept.
Warning formatting this card and allowing adoptable storage may slow down the device and Samsung is not held liable. Agree and format or Cancel..... Problem solved.
The other thing that really killed me is no IR blaster... I found out after I preoreded. I just figured it would be there... I use that every day.... So now I am going to have to carry around my Samsung Note 10.1 2014 edition.... That I was going to give to my wife once I got the bigger phone.... LOL
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The other thing that really killed me is no IR blaster... I found out after I preoreded. I just figured it would be there... I use that every day.... So now I am going to have to carry around my Samsung Note 10.1 2014 edition.... That I was going to give to my wife once I got the bigger phone.... LOL
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I've found the next best thing... Have you looked into Harmony Hub? It is a little wifi device with an IR blaster that integrates into your TV environment. It works great for me, and I can use it no matter which phone I pick in the future since it is just an app at that point and doesn't need any special hardware other than wifi.
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I've found the next best thing... Have you looked into Harmony Hub? It is a little wifi device with an IR blaster that integrates into your TV environment. It works great for me, and I can use it no matter which phone I pick in the future since it is just an app at that point and doesn't need any special hardware other than wifi.
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Does it run any app?
I LOVE anymote! I use it on all my tvs. I have macros set up for each tv to turn on tv, sat box, blu ray, ps4, audio amp.... or whatever I want to use or turn off with push of buttons.
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Does it run any app?
I LOVE anymote! I use it on all my tvs. I have macros set up for each tv to turn on tv, sat box, blu ray, ps4, audio amp.... or whatever I want to use or turn off with push of buttons.
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No, you need to use the Harmony Remote App to control the TV with Harmony Hub. Its pretty robust and compatibility is top notch, it even will control Philips Hue lighting as well, but you definitely will be limited to just the Harmony app on your phone.
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No, you need to use the Harmony Remote App to control the TV with Harmony Hub. Its pretty robust and compatibility is top notch, it even will control Philips Hue lighting as well, but you definitely will be limited to just the Harmony app on your phone.
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OK. Thanks for info..
Does it have macro capability? That is huge for me. I mean Anymote is so robust and is constantly adding things to it. I hate to give it up. I really wish Samsung wouldn't have screwed up and would have spent the $2.00 it would have taken to put the ir blaster on it. I have seen a kickstarter add on which adds an IR to any phone but it looks pretty hideous in my opinion and you can't have a case with it from the way it looks.
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OK. Thanks for info..
Does it have macro capability? That is huge for me. I mean Anymote is so robust and is constantly adding things to it. I hate to give it up. I really wish Samsung wouldn't have screwed up and would have spent the $2.00 it would have taken to put the ir blaster on it. I have seen a kickstarter add on which adds an IR to any phone but it looks pretty hideous in my opinion and you can't have a case with it from the way it looks.
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If by macro you mean something like.... press one button to A) turn on television B) turn on DVD Player C) change to input 3
yes it does things like that.
can you root your phone and use Link2SD app?
I'm torn on it... what I don't understand is, why didn't they leave it to the user? could warn with a pop up pointing out the intended use and risk of data loss upon removal.
I actually don't know if it's something I'd use. I like to use my SD cards for data storage for things like pictures etc. now when my S7 comes in, i'll pop out my sd from my Note edge and put it in this one. there goes most of stuff moved over. you can't do this with the adoptable storage. I'd have to put all the pics onto my laptop, and move them back.
and yes... very sad with the IR blaster. not something I use often, but I love it when I do. it's sad to see it go. I liked using Peel because of the interactive tv guide which shows me what's playing, and I can just tune to that movie.
why remove such a small feature but so unique to this phone!? I guess we'll hopefully see it in S8
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why remove such a small feature but so unique to this phone!? I guess we'll hopefully see it in S8
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I actually wouldn't be surprised if Samsung did this on purpose to see how many, if any would cry and be upset by removal of the IR Blaster. And develop the S8 according to the results.
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I've found the next best thing... Have you looked into Harmony Hub? It is a little wifi device with an IR blaster that integrates into your TV environment. It works great for me, and I can use it no matter which phone I pick in the future since it is just an app at that point and doesn't need any special hardware other than wifi.
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yes, i have that. Love it.
You can encrypt the SD card so it will only work on the S7 (atleast I could on my S7 Edge). I hate the way the SD is used right now and I am with you on enabling Adoptable Storage in a dev option or lab setting somewhere.
You have to understand the MASSIVE performance penalty you get by writing on the SD card (SD card is maybe x10 slower than the internal storage). If you enable the adopted storage feature on the 2015 Moto X pure for instance, it will have unintended consequences, like inability to record video at 1080p, or a lot of UI lags and stutters and overall sh1t UI experience.
I personally do not think this is a smart feature, I do use my internal storage and SD card differently, I need to know where I am writing to.
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You have to understand the MASSIVE performance penalty you get by writing on the SD card (SD card is maybe x10 slower than the internal storage). If you enable the adopted storage feature on the 2015 Moto X pure for instance, it will have unintended consequences, like inability to record video at 1080p, or a lot of UI lags and stutters and overall sh1t UI experience.
I personally do not think this is a smart feature, I do use my internal storage and SD card differently, I need to know where I am writing to.
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That depends on the SD card. The only source I saw quoting that 10x performance penalty in connection with adoptable storage was referring to Class 2 or 4 cards which guarantee a minimum of 2MB/s or 4MB/s. Also, those classes refer to the minimum guaranteed write speed. Most cards write much faster in general, but they must be able to guarantee a minimum write speed sustained under all conditions and so their class speed is a conservative figure and isn't necessarily descriptive of their average performance.
The internal storage on the S7 Edge is around 280MB/s read and 99MB/s write. Many UHS-I cards are rated for 95/90MB/s(r/w) which is close on the writes, but still lags a bit on the reads. In my benchmarks I have a UHS-I U3 card rated at 95/90(r/w) that benches at 90/80(r/w) in a computer, but only 60/40(r/w) in the S7 Edge micro SD slot, so the SD slot may be the limiting factor here and the ratio might be more like 2.5x performance difference on writes. A few forum members have some UHS-II cards on order to test when they get the phones, but many sources are saying that the phones only support UHS-I which means the maximum performance on either reading or writing will be less than 100MB/s - possibly on par with the internal memory for writing, but still close to 3x slower on reads.
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(...)The internal storage on the S7 Edge is around 280MB/s read and 99MB/s write. (...) In my benchmarks I have a UHS-I U3 card rated at 95/90 that benches at 90/80 in a computer, but only 60/40 in the S7 Edge micro SD slot
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You own numbers show a x7 factor slower for the SD card.
When I test my Note 5 internal memory (still not have my S7 Edge yet) I have 340MB/s read and 150MB/s write. (8.5x factor)
I stand by my assessment, that even with the fastest micro SD card you can buy, there is MASSIVE speed difference between the 2 different storage type, creating some UI issues when the OS finds itself writing your launcher cache on the SD card...
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You own numbers show a x7 factor slower for the SD card.
When I test my Note 5 internal memory (still not have my S7 Edge yet) I have 340MB/s read and 150MB/s write. (8.5x factor)
I stand by my assessment, that even with the fastest micro SD card you can buy, there is MASSIVE speed difference between the 2 different storage type, creating some UI issues when the OS finds itself writing your launcher cache on the SD card...
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Oh, I agree that there is a big jump in performance with the internal storage of these phones, but you don't need to fabricate numbers to prove this (or write in ALL CAPS).
Which numbers show a 7x factor? Or even an 8.5x factor? Are you comparing read speeds to write speeds?
280 vs 60 is less than 5x for read.
99 vs 40 is around 2.5x for writes.
340 vs 60 is under 6x.
150 vs 40 is under 4x.
Where is the 7x? Or the 8.5x?
Granted, 2.5x for writes and 5x for reads on my S7 are still a big step, but you don't need to bias the argument by looking for the biggest number in a page of orange numbers and comparing it to the smallest number in a page of apple numbers.
Also, which benchmark are you using? It's starting to look like the A1 SD benchmark is hitting RAM cache that biases the results (and it even warns about this when you run the benchmark.)
Switching to Androbench gets new numbers that are a bit closer to what is being reported for the Note 5:
Using 64MB test files:
S7 Edge internal: 426/128 sequential read/write
Samsung Pro+ microSD: 80/66 seq r/w
Bumping it to 512MB test files to make sure the measurements aren't dominated by RAM caches:
S7 Edge internal: 427/153 seq r/w
Samsung Pro+ microSD: 80/70 seq r/w
Compare that to 92/83 for the Pro+ on a laptop SD card reader.
So we sit around a little over 5x slower on reads and around 2x slower on writes for these UHS-I U3 cards spec'd at 95/90 read/write.
Already found a way to enable adoptable storage without root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=65612993&postcount=41
Before you come down hard on Samsung let me post to you what Android Police has to say on the issue.
"Google discourages using adoptable storage if:
Your SD card slot is in an area where it may be regularly ejected (i.e., the SIM slot) and/or your phone has "sufficient" internal storage already, which is probably these days 32GB or more. Adoptable storage is apparently intended as a feature for phones with very limited internal storage and for stationary, IoT types of devices.
LG has done the same, and does not have adoptable storage on the G5."