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[Q] Galaxy s4 CPU, music and more

B) another question: the octa core version supports 4G LTE doesnt it? or snapdragon has better 4G support?
Snapdragon 600 (1.9ghz speed, 4 cores) or Exynos 5 Octa(4 cores A15, clocked at 1.6ghz+ 4 cores 1.2GHZ A7)
1) what is faster? exynos or snapdragon?
2) which one is more effectively? (battery friendly)? (***in both high-huge use and low-idle use.. in which one battery life are better)
3) there are any benchmarks test for both of them.?
i just dont know which one is better..
Adreno 320 GPU vs PowerVR SGX 544MP3
4) which one is stronger?
5) i really dont know which version should i get.. US version(with 1.9ghz) or international(1.6ghz) their performance are really similar?
6) there is any stronger smartphone out now?
6) will the galaxy s4 have wireless charging?
MUSIC:
7) what about music? is there any quality speakers?
8) headphone will be HD/ very good quality.. ? (like in iPhone 5)?
8)

1) the snapdragon is over clocked so is supposed to be faster in cpu but the exynos won't lack behind.
2) for battery of course the exynos since only 4 cores will be running so if ur doing a low use the A7 will be running which are great for battery life and when you kick it to high use that's when the bug guns A15 come in play.
3)for the exynos no because it is not available yet but for the snapdragon it got the twice score of an iphone 5 so that gives a clear answer.
4)i think that would go to the powerVr since the exynos version is expected to be better in Gpu.
5)that depends on you.
6)of course it will but will be optional.
7) the speakers are supposed to be good than the previous models.
8) i am not sure about that but even if they aren't there are always beats.
hope i gave you a clear answer and if there is anything else you would like to know let me know.

Blackwolf10 said:
1) the snapdragon is over clocked so is supposed to be faster in cpu but the exynos won't lack behind.
2) for battery of course the exynos since only 4 cores will be running so if ur doing a low use the A7 will be running which are great for battery life and when you kick it to high use that's when the bug guns A15 come in play.
3)for the exynos no because it is not available yet but for the snapdragon it got the twice score of an iphone 5 so that gives a clear answer.
4)i think that would go to the powerVr since the exynos version is expected to be better in Gpu.
5)that depends on you.
6)of course it will but will be optional.
7) the speakers are supposed to be good than the previous models.
8) i am not sure about that but even if they aren't there are always beats.
hope i gave you a clear answer and if there is anything else you would like to know let me know.
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thanks for taking your time for answering me
do you think exyons 5 will be overclock-able? i hope we will be able to get 1.8ghz or something without losing battery life or something..

yes i think after rooting and few kernel releases you will be able to overclock the Cpu and maybe also the Gpu but why would you need that the exynos on the galaxy s4 is already going to be a beast and it's expected to be in par with the snapdragon and also your welcome

Actually the Exynos is better in every aspect (battery speed and gpu) clock speeds don't mean anything a15s are faster than krait fullstop
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4 core?, I guess its Octo-core Exynos
Well unless you don't use both of them, you can't figure out which one is better.
May be someone may use and let us know.

well even if the exynos is better in every aspect the biggest advantage would still be low task using so its battery saving so everything else is probably the same or little difference and what do you mean clock speeds don't mean anything ?? have you seen the benchmark difference between the galaxy s4 and the htc one ?? and i know the A155 are better than krait that's why the snapdragon is overclocked
@samsingh02 it is octa core but like 4+4 so the 8 cores will never function together it would be like A7 for the low tasks and the A15 when you are on a heavy task like gaming
anyway the thing is the snapdragon is for 4G network and the exynos for the 3G network end of story.

Blackwolf10 said:
well even if the exynos is better in every aspect the biggest advantage would still be low task using so its battery saving so everything else is probably the same or little difference
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I didn't bother to explain it has been done to much and speed is actually a big factor to make a long story short read this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191850
and i know the A155 are better than krait that's why the snapdragon is overclocked
@samsingh02 it is octa core but like 4+4 so the 8 cores will never function together it would be like A7 for the low tasks and the A15 when you are on a heavy task like gaming
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That's the while point
anyway the thing is the snapdragon is for 4G network and the exynos for the 3G network end of story.
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Some benchmarks show Exynos having 4g compatibility
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but that would be the galaxy note 2 exynos 4 because the exynos 5 on the galaxy s4 is not out yet the only exynos 5 is on the nexus 10

Blackwolf10 said:
but that would be the galaxy note 2 exynos 4 because the exynos 5 on the galaxy s4 is not out yet the only exynos 5 is on the nexus 10
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Exynos 5 in the nexus 10 is dual core
But the second part
Where did Exynos 4 come from what are u talking about
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i know it's clocked at 1.7 and i was talking about the note 2 i read in the Xda here that it was available on a carrier in the U.S. with the exynos

You can see here which countries will get the octa core version and which countries will get the Snapdragon version
http://goo.gl/EePDg

B) another question: the octa core version supports 4G LTE doesnt it? or snapdragon has better 4G support?

darixtorento said:
B) another question: the octa core version upports 4G LTE doesnt it? or snapdragon has better 4G support?
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Just to butt in, doesn't Exynos octa also have LTE support? I want to know what bands it supports.
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GPU and benchmarks

Hey everyone.
I'm a bit lost and I don't know what to choose to buy: I9500 or I9505.
So far I know that Adreno 320 is fully OpenGL 3.0 compatible, while PowerVR SGX544MP3 not.
Adreno 320 is scoring 4 FPS more than PowerVR in T-Rex GLBenchmark 2.7.0.
PowerVR is scoring 1-2 more FPS in GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt
Both GPU is scoring the same in Antutu and Quadrant video test, with PowerVR slightly better for few seconds (Adreno is dropping 1-2 seconds of the test to 30 FPS while PowerVR stay constant at 50-60)
In Antutu, the 3rd test (with the DNA code), Adreno 320 stays at 30-40 fps while PowerVR scores constant 60.
Both, 3dmark and glbenchmark show the PowerVR in the S4 even weaker than Nexus 4 and other chinese mobiles.
What's the deal....what the hell it's happening ? Is PowerVR that weak in the new graphic technologies but scores well in the new ones ?
Also, is there any OpenGL 3.0 benchmark so we can compare the Adreno 320 (fully OpenGL 3.0) with the PowerVR 544MP3 (OpenGL 2.0 but with some OpenGL 3.0 features thanks to an API), to see what the score and quality is ? I really want to see what that 3.0 API knows to do, as the Imagination doesn't really says what that API really do. Would there be games or apps using only OpenGL 3.0 and we will have trouble to run them because of this old GPU ?
I'm wondering...if in one year will be released an OpenGL 3.0 game, what will happens with S4 Octa ? It will not be able to play it, right ? I have no idea how that OpenGL thing works, but I remember that a game requesting DirectX 10 will not work with DirectX 9.
PowerVR really sucks. Samsung dumbs should put the PowerVR 6 "Rogue".
My opinion is that the Qualcomm scores very well, even my S3 is enough to play every single game, but the phone lags on RAM and that's why I replace it now. Buying the Octa will costs me $150 more than the Qualcomm version and I will need to send it oversea in case I will have problems and need to send it to warranty. With those $150 I can buy 2 spare battery and the Samsung S band instead getting the Octa. I want the Octa, but this phone really deserve such attention with that old rubish PowerVR GPU chip ? I don't have 4G in my area, so I don't care about the 4G, but will be nice in case I will travel somewhere with 4G, even if for me HSPA+ is enough and very fast, so the only thing counts here is the CPU, GPU and the battery life. Battery life can be solved with an additional battery, so remains the GPU and the CPU....So far A15 cores are yet very fast, but can use a lot of energy. So I can have 2 days battery life with texting and calling, but 2 hours playing games and watching 1080p videos, while with A9 I will have something similar to S3
Any developer or experienced guy here can answer me to this questions ?

Nobody ?

I'm the same situation. I'm still deciding on what version i should buy...
We need an user with Galaxy S 4 Exynos and one with Snapdragon. They should do same tests (like linpack, vellamo, antutu, and much more) and give us results.
For OpenGL 3.0 i think is better to have native support, not via APIs. Also in Snapdragon we can have same Exynos Performance via OCs and much more. I find Snapdragon more optimizable than exynos, but PowerVR is still a good GPU.

Alberto96 said:
I'm the same situation. I'm still deciding on what version i should buy...
We need an user with Galaxy S 4 Exynos and one with Snapdragon. They should do same tests (like linpack, vellamo, antutu, and much more) and give us results.
For OpenGL 3.0 i think is better to have native support, not via APIs. Also in Snapdragon we can have same Exynos Performance via OCs and much more. I find Snapdragon more optimizable than exynos, but PowerVR is still a good GPU.
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Totally agree with you. I don't get it why people says the powervr is better. I see that in antutu benchmark scores better than adreno, but in GLBenchmark is awful. This is my only worry right now: what happens if we put the two gpu to do a full OpenGL ES 3.0 test? It will throw an error or will pass it, but with lower score. I don't care the score so much, but its capability to pass the test. If it pass it, I'm sold to Octa.
Also I found that Octa supports LPPDDR3 at 800Mhz, which means 12.8GB/s bandwidth, while S600 is LPPDDR3 but only at 600Mhz or so (only 9.4GB/s or something like that)
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I just read (italian forum) that Exynos in the future can use all of the 8 cores together with kernel 3.8 .
So.......i think i will buy the exynos I'm just waiting a friend reply that bought it on Expansys USA. If he receive it and is all good, i will buy it from that site. With Italian Taxes (21%) and shipping costs it will cost about 730-740€

Alberto96 said:
I just read (italian forum) that Exynos in the future can use all of the 8 cores together with kernel 3.8 .
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Why would you need these eight cores working together? How will you be sure Android will dispatch your applications threads in a proper way among them? Just another headache. I also don't believe they will really help to save battery, it's a pure marketing. But A15 is a bit more powerful than Krait from S600.
I think PowerVR 544MP3 scores below Adreno 320 in T-Rex because of unified architecture implemented in Adreno. This test uses complex shaders on every surface, so, probably, Octa GPU runs out of its fragment processors.
If you don't need a new phone right now, wait for S800 models. I don't think Mali T65x is good enough either. Looking at S3 GPU - yes, it's pretty fast in some wonderful tasks as rendering to texture, but it has some weird bottlenecks making Horn and T-REX much slower in fps than I've expected looking at pure gflops values.

Phobos Exp-Nord said:
Why would you need these eight cores working together? How will you be sure Android will dispatch your applications threads in a proper way among them? Just another headache. I also don't believe they will really help to save battery, it's a pure marketing. But A15 is a bit more powerful than Krait from S600.
I think PowerVR 544MP3 scores below Adreno 320 in T-Rex because of unified architecture implemented in Adreno. This test uses complex shaders on every surface, so, probably, Octa GPU runs out of its fragment processors.
If you don't need a new phone right now, wait for S800 models. I don't think Mali T65x is good enough either. Looking at S3 GPU - yes, it's pretty fast in some wonderful tasks as rendering to texture, but it has some weird bottlenecks making Horn and T-REX much slower in fps than I've expected looking at pure gflops values.
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Well, when you play some heavy games you need all cores. Also is useful to use all cores when you are charging phone, without killing battery.
I need a new phone, because my Galaxy S I9000 is slow with new apps and android versions. If i buy this is useless a S800 version. CPU is fast, gpu maybe not as Adreno 330, but with overclock we can boost a lot performances.

Dude, using all eight cores will simply melt your phone in your hands LOL. You will drink S4 cocktail LOL. Quad-core is enough, but a gpu it's never. Same things are happening with the PCs. I don't need huge fps in trex, but some safe reviews and opinions from people really knows this things....but so far only you two were able to answer (I will not pretend yet that this forum is full of noobs LOL).
I want new mobile because of the lack of ram in S3, even if it's smooth for me. I was happy to hear about the Octa version, because I wanted to try something new, but I'm kinda lost now.
Alberto96, please let me know when your friend gets that i9500. I want to get it from Expansys too (I think we already talked together about this in other threads). If I will buy i9505 I will get it from Amazon Italy as it cheaper than other places
I'm just comparing:
I9500: - 1 years of warranty (overseas)
I9505 - 2 years of warranty (locally)
I9500 = I9505 + 3 additional S4 batteries with external charger
That because:
740€ = 625€ + 35€ x 3 batteries (and I will still have money for a Burger King and a Cola)
So...it's really deserve the risk ? Still nobody answered me related to OpenGL ES 3.0
S800 and Adreno 330 will not be in a Samsung device soon (maybe never) and 2.1-2.3GHz looks too much for a mobile phone. We already have warming issues with the S4 (I even have issues in S3, with the phone going warmer). Also....My laptop is a Dual-Core AMD 2.1 GHz for God sake.
@Alberto96, I beg you, when your friend gets the phone, please test it and let me know what you think ?

demlasjr said:
2.1-2.3GHz looks too much for a mobile phone
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Not when playing Hi10P in software.
I do not know the exact internal scheme of Exynos Octa, so it's easy for me to imagine the situation when two threads of single application will be dispatched to two different core domains, making it really hard to exchange the data between them, as probably each domain has its own cache subsystem, so the performance will drop even higher than with two threads on A7-domain together.

Phobos Exp-Nord said:
Not when playing Hi10P in software.
I do not know the exact internal scheme of Exynos Octa, so it's easy for me to imagine the situation when two threads of single application will be dispatched to two different core domains, making it really hard to exchange the data between them, as probably each domain has its own cache subsystem, so the performance will drop even higher than with two threads on A7-domain together.
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Yeah, you're right here. I don't have much knowledge relating this profile as I'm not watching anime, but seems to depending more on the GPU than CPU in S4 case. I'm really sure that Exynos Octa is able to run it, but not sure about the PowerVR. I've read that an Hi10P plays anywhere from 15-20fps (watchable, but still not that great) with a Tegra 3 quad-core overclocked at 1.6GHz, so there is still hope.

demlasjr said:
I've read that an Hi10P plays anywhere from 15-20fps
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That's about 720p. Just asked in another thread there about 1080p - S4 cannot play it smooth enough with MX Player. It's not a question of resolution, it's a problem of use a file from 1080p home collection without any additional efforts.

We'll see, maybe later there will be an update released for such issues. I think the GPU and the CPU of both variants are capable of playing such videos.

Hey guys,
http://withimagination.imgtec.com/i...or-todays-leading-platforms#comment-880303396
jumping directly from OpenGL ES 2.0 to 3.0 would create a situation where app compatibility would be severely broken across devices. But most people update their devices every two years; by that time, PowerVR Series6 would be the dominant OpenGL ES 3.0 GPU generation shipping in most devices.
It is also important to remember that the PowerVR Series5XT GPU family has been successfully holding its own against recently released competing graphics solutions despite being released almost four years ago, which in itself is an amazing feat.
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So....we should trust alexvoica and go forward with PowerVR SGX544MP3 even if lacks of OpenGL ES 2.0 ? He said that there was long way til OpenGL ES 2.0, but it wasn't such a big way as he said. Now every single game use OpenGL ES 2.0, I'm sure soon will be OpenGL ES 3.0 games only and not after 2 years.

get a look at this http://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?cols=2&D1=Samsung+GT-I9500+Galaxy+S4&D2=Samsung+GT-I9505+Galaxy+S4

Which one do you suggest when buying the S4 .... Snapdragon 600 or Exynos 5 Octa ?

I am planning to buy S4
But I'm not sure which is better
Snapdragon 600
1.9 Ghz
Quad Core Krait 300.
or
Exynos5
1.6 Ghz Octal Core
Quad Core Cortex A15 / Quad Core A7
4g and installing roms is not important to me
Which is better in terms of performance? less lag ?
Which is better for gaming?

Yet another thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo7nJQzfWsE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Look at that review and make your mind up
~ Taylor_Swift
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an9093 said:
I am planning to buy S4
But I'm not sure which is better
Snapdragon 600
1.9 Ghz
Quad Core Krait 300.
or
Exynos5
1.6 Ghz Octal Core
Quad Core Cortex A15 / Quad Core A7
4g and installing roms is not important to me
Which is better in terms of performance? less lag ?
Which is better for gaming?
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Hi,
Look HERE

That's a no brainer....the Exy. But does anyone really have a choice? Especially in America.

i have a choice they both are available the same price with local warrenty

The exynos here is cheaper online but for me, no 4G = no go. Since buying an S3 4G last year there is no way I can go back to 3G again.
The speed difference is enormous and 4G here costs no more than 3G. And on the Telstra network it's even better. Have hit over 50mbps on speed tests.
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dman777 said:
That's a no brainer....the Exy.
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Except it really isn't.
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Over simplifying it the Octacore version is slightly faster but has a poorer battery (4G not withstanding). Snapdragon touch slower (but faster than most phones todsy) but it'll last longer. There are lots of debates on whether the Octacore version ca be improved but this is how it stands right now as the biggest differences.
Other option is Stock version......
-Airax

Pagnell said:
Except it really isn't.
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Well, in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeRcKHF4bDc&feature=youtu.be&a the girl states that she can not tell a difference between the two....except in GPU power. So, if you like to have less GPU power...then yes, the Qualcomm would be what you want.

dman777 said:
Well, in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeRcKHF4bDc&feature=youtu.be&a the girl states that she can not tell a difference between the two....except in GPU power. So, if you like to have less GPU power...then yes, the Qualcomm would be what you want.
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You have that a little backwards: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40554113
Also, go and ask any cedarview Atom owners what they think of the PowerVR SGX54x and the driver 'support' it gets. After that fiasco I would never buy another product that has a GPU from Imagination Technologies.

XTCrefugee said:
You have that a little backwards: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40554113
Also, go and ask any cedarview Atom owners what they think of the PowerVR SGX54x and the driver 'support' it gets. After that fiasco I would never buy another product that has a GPU from Imagination Technologies.
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That is interesting. But seeing for myself in that video, it is hard not to believe that the Exy GPU is better.

dman777 said:
Well, in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeRcKHF4bDc&feature=youtu.be&a the girl states that she can not tell a difference between the two....except in GPU power. So, if you like to have less GPU power...then yes, the Qualcomm would be what you want.
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I'm still waiting to see what makes the Exynos version a 'no brainer'. Was that it?
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Pagnell said:
I'm still waiting to see what makes the Exynos version a 'no brainer'. Was that it?
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Sure, no problem....It was "Exynos takes the edge, ie camera and GPU". You can also watch the video and see...physical proof is nice.

I see. So for someone who needs 4G and has a preference for CM or AOKP the Exynos is still a 'no brainer' simply because it's performance is slightly better on certain benchmarks?
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Why are you saying Exynos GPU is better than S600? I saw benchmarks where the Adreno 320 beat the powerVR SGX544 (though benchmarks are sometimes useless ^^)

Exynooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos

ive seen many vids on youtube about the two devices and i gotta say there not a big diffrenet in perfrmance
just get the one that available in your country

[Q] POWERVR SGX 544 gaming

so s4 has powervr sgx 544 has anyone experience lag on high end games ex vice city gta 3 mc4 gangstar vegas rr3? Is the powervr sgx544 a dominant gaming GPU? if so these inercom phones are quad core http://www.amazon.com/inercom-Unloc...&qid=1372472174&sr=8-1&keywords=inercom+x920e and have powervr sgx 544
http://www.amazon.com/inercom-TM-Unlocked-N7300-smartphone/dp/B00CFAQNOA/ref=pd_sim_sbs_cps_1
if powervr sgx 544 is a superior mobile gaming gpu would anyone recommend me to those 2 cheap phone as i cannot afford i9500 due to cost and i live in USA with adreno.

ian619420 said:
so s4 has powervr sgx 544 has anyone experience lag on high end games ex vice city gta 3 mc4 gangstar vegas rr3? Is the powervr sgx544 a dominant gaming GPU? if so these inercom phones are quad core http://www.amazon.com/inercom-Unloc...&qid=1372472174&sr=8-1&keywords=inercom+x920e and have powervr sgx 544
http://www.amazon.com/inercom-TM-Unlocked-N7300-smartphone/dp/B00CFAQNOA/ref=pd_sim_sbs_cps_1
if powervr sgx 544 is a superior mobile gaming gpu would anyone recommend me to those 2 cheap phone as i cannot afford i9500 due to cost and i live in USA with adreno.
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The galaxy S4 i9500 has PowerVR SGX 544MP3, im not sure if the MP3 part is any different or not, but from my experience i dont really experience lag, and i've tried it on gta vice city, MC4 and zombiewood.
From those china phones, i dont really trust their hardware and their 1.2GHz mediatek chipset, so i guess the only way to find out is to buy the phone and use it.
Other alternatives is buying 2012 phones, those are pretty cheap now and still runs good.

Jason2k13 said:
The galaxy S4 i9500 has PowerVR SGX 544MP3, im not sure if the MP3 part is any different or not, but from my experience i dont really experience lag, and i've tried it on gta vice city, MC4 and zombiewood.
From those china phones, i dont really trust their hardware and their 1.2GHz mediatek chipset, so i guess the only way to find out is to buy the phone and use it.
Other alternatives is buying 2012 phones, those are pretty cheap now and still runs good.
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I can only buy unlocked no contract phones budget is $220, I have considered to buy GS2 i777 with mali gpu for $175, i have gs2 skyrocket with adreno 220 gpu and it is horrible I do not devices with adreno gpu. I have considered thought in nexus 7 tegra 3 or any other tablet with tegra 3.

Would anyone recommend the lenovo a820 quad core phone with powervr sgx544?

ian619420 said:
Would anyone recommend the lenovo a820 quad core phone with powervr sgx544?
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A SGX544MP3 [used in S4 Exynos] is much more powerful than a single core SGX544

RaininHanoi said:
A SGX544MP3 [used in S4 Exynos] is much more powerful than a single core SGX544
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ok so the chinese phones GPU are single core, can you compare sgx544 to the mali gpu in s2?

ian619420 said:
ok so the chinese phones GPU are single core, can you compare sgx544 to the mali gpu in s2?
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What are you looking for with such a comparison?
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ian619420 said:
ok so the chinese phones GPU are single core, can you compare sgx544 to the mali gpu in s2?
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Erm... No?
MediaTek 6589 chips are at the very least equivalent to Tegra 3.

Ok example iPhone 5 got PowerVR SGX 543MP3 (triple-core graphics) which is very powerful gpu.
Sams i9500 got it PowerVR SGX 544MP3.
in my opinion PowerVR SGX 544MP3 is a god like until Adreno330 witch is advanced as F.

Nook hd plus has powervrsgx544 1.5ghz dual core processor and i heard it has google play store now, if this a good tablet that can be used for gaming? I can get a 32gb one for around $180 would anyone recommend this?

Powervsgx533mp3
Galaxy s4 (I9500) have PowerVRSGX544 MP3 which means it only have 3 core compred to the GPU in Th new ipad PowerVRSFX544 MP4 which has 4 core. But the galaxy s4 gpu has been overlcoked to 533 mhz. so... yeah you wont experience any lag issue i think. If u are not sure just check out the videos in utube about galaxy s4 gaming performance, theres a lot of it and you can judge yourself

avetny said:
Ok example iPhone 5 got PowerVR SGX 543MP3 (triple-core graphics) which is very powerful gpu.
Sams i9500 got it PowerVR SGX 544MP3.
in my opinion PowerVR SGX 544MP3 is a god like until Adreno330 witch is advanced as F.
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Actually Adreno330 isnt THAT much Advanced . it provides a total of 3 fps plus in some benchmark and some even tend to lag behind the powervr such as fillrate ofscreen. but the adreno330 benefit from 4k Playback which i really see it as one of today must have in a GPU

jj9922 said:
Actually Adreno330 isnt THAT much Advanced . it provides a total of 3 fps plus in some benchmark and some even tend to lag behind the powervr such as fillrate ofscreen. but the adreno330 benefit from 4k Playback which i really see it as one of today must have in a GPU
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4k video play back must have? ..
So where did you get 4k videos to play .....i dont think 4k videos will be that much common like 1080p videos
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nomancoolboy said:
4k video play back must have? ..
So where did you get 4k videos to play .....i dont think 4k videos will be that much common like 1080p videos
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oh sorry my bad i wanted to say its NOT a must have forgot the NOT of course it is not no one uses 4k till date

What about Open GL 3.0 which Android 4.3 and Adreno supports, Powervr won't support it.

ila420 said:
What about Open GL 3.0 which Android 4.3 and Adreno supports, Powervr won't support it.
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actually it would support it imagination clearly stated that they will update the device with open gl 3.0 support
see this link http://withimagination.imgtec.com/i...4mp-a-modern-gpu-for-todays-leading-platforms

nook hd/+ would it be wise to get it solely for gaming, since it has google play store and powervr sgx544?

this phone has powervr sgx544 MP2 http://www.keryet.com/deal/buysku-16-off-amoi-n850-android-4-2-quad-core-3g-smartphone

avetny said:
Ok example iPhone 5 got PowerVR SGX 543MP3 (triple-core graphics) which is very powerful gpu.
Sams i9500 got it PowerVR SGX 544MP3.
in my opinion PowerVR SGX 544MP3 is a god like until Adreno330 witch is advanced as F.
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If you take the iPad 4 into account, it's SGX544MP4 + a dual core 1.4GHz GPU is about to push the most demanding games at retina res.
If theres lag with the SGX544MP3 on the S4, it is the developer's fault and partly google

One of the reason why I choose i9500 over i9505 is the powerVR gpu...

Why GT-I9505 is faster than GT-I9500 if it's a quad core? And what to check?

Why GT-I9505 is faster than GT-I9500 if it's a quad core? Apparently I'm lucky enough that GT-I9505 is even cheaper than GT-I9500 in the Motherland marketplace.
Also, is there anything that I need to check before purchasing? I can open the box, check what's on it, etc etc before buying it. Is there any fault I should check? Like S2 has few faulty models with bad chipset and you can check that easily before purchasing.

afaik the 9505 model has a Qualcomm 600 or 800, both in my opinion are better than Samsung's octa core. And besides only 4 cores are running at a time on the octa core.

It's more like two quad cores than eight concurrent cores. The one in the i9505 is faster.
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You guys are forgetting 3 things
1.the octa core s4 has a cortex a-15 quad core as the bigger core which is way faster than the Qualcomm one as the Qualcomm one is a9
2.there might be lags in overall animations but benchmark wise the octa core beats the quad core to the ground
3.if u guys really wanna see which ones better.wait for a stable AOSP ROM for i9500 and then compare
Wait n see how smooth n fast the i9500 actually is without Samsung's crapware

varund7726 said:
You guys are forgetting 3 things
1.the octa core s4 has a cortex a-15 quad core as the bigger core which is way faster than the Qualcomm one as the Qualcomm one is a9
2.there might be lags in overall animations but benchmark wise the octa core beats the quad core to the ground
3.if u guys really wanna see which ones better.wait for a stable AOSP ROM for i9500 and then compare
Wait n see how smooth n fast the i9500 actually is without Samsung's crapware
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I9500 is one of Samsung biggest failure, they rushed to launch it with their "octa" core, and they released an unfinished product with flaws.
I9505 it is faster after newer updates, and btw i9505 has OpenGL ES 3.0, i9500 doesn't.
So games will run smoother and with better graphics on Android 4.3+ on the i9505.
They're both great devices, but Samsung really fwcked up with i9500

varund7726 said:
You guys are forgetting 3 things
1.the octa core s4 has a cortex a-15 quad core as the bigger core which is way faster than the Qualcomm one as the Qualcomm one is a9
2.there might be lags in overall animations but benchmark wise the octa core beats the quad core to the ground
3.if u guys really wanna see which ones better.wait for a stable AOSP ROM for i9500 and then compare
Wait n see how smooth n fast the i9500 actually is without Samsung's crapware
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1. yes, octa core has A15 Quad Core, as the big core. but the qualcomm one has Krait cores, based on A15, not A9 .
2. i do not know this, benchmark doesn't reflect real life usage.
3. hope so

varund7726 said:
You guys are forgetting 3 things
1.the octa core s4 has a cortex a-15 quad core as the bigger core which is way faster than the Qualcomm one as the Qualcomm one is a9
2.there might be lags in overall animations but benchmark wise the octa core beats the quad core to the ground
3.if u guys really wanna see which ones better.wait for a stable AOSP ROM for i9500 and then compare
Wait n see how smooth n fast the i9500 actually is without Samsung's crapware
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I lost my trust in Samsung Exynos processor due to the Mali issues in I9300 which make the development of I9300 way slower than the USA's S3. It took CM team so long to get a stable build out of it.
Anyway the good thing about the I9505 over the I9500 and for me even the Note 3 is having a Google Edition. At least porting new Android versions from I9505G to I9505 is easier and faster access to updates.

Dean-xXx said:
I9500 is one of Samsung biggest failure, they rushed to launch it with their "octa" core, and they released an unfinished product with flaws.
I9505 it is faster after newer updates, and btw i9505 has OpenGL ES 3.0, i9500 doesn't.
So games will run smoother and with better graphics on Android 4.3+ on the i9505.
They're both great devices, but Samsung really fwcked up with i9500
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Dude ...adreno 320 GPU doesn't support all features of open gl es3.0
It just does it for namesake
And that GPU is way too old
Whereas powervr 544 is the same one used in phone 5 I guess which is like a 100 times faster than adreno

varund7726 said:
Dude ...adreno 320 the doesn't support all features of open gl es3.0
It just does it for namesake
And that GPU is way too old
Whereas powervr 544 is the same one used in phone 5 I guess which is like a 100 times faster than adreno
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Uhm the Adreno 320 is actually as powerful as the powerVR SGX544 MP3 even if its running at a slightly lower clock speed... Ive hit 21 fps in gfxbench T-Rex and 52 in egypt Offscreen so its definitely not weak... Its also much more power efficient... I can play asphalt 8 using the performance governor for a good 3 hours straight easily...

Dean-xXx said:
I9500 is one of Samsung biggest failure, they rushed to launch it with their "octa" core, and they released an unfinished product with flaws.
I9505 it is faster after newer updates, and btw i9505 has OpenGL ES 3.0, i9500 doesn't.
So games will run smoother and with better graphics on Android 4.3+ on the i9505.
They're both great devices, but Samsung really fwcked up with i9500
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Qualcomm's processors sucks monkey balls. Its the GPU that is pretty that too only at supporting new APIs.
Imagination have pushed an API Extension which will enable OpenGL ES 3.0 key features.
http://www.imgtec.com/News/Release/index.asp?NewsID=717

varund7726 said:
Dude ...adreno 320 GPU doesn't support all features of open gl es3.0
It just does it for namesake
And that GPU is way too old
Whereas powervr 544 is the same one used in phone 5 I guess which is like a 100 times faster than adreno
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The GPU in the iPhone 5 is the PowerVR SGX 543MP3 not 544
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Hazerm said:
The GPU in the iPhone 5 is the PowerVR SGX 543MP3 not 544
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ya the 544 is a version higher
but still
have u seen the gaming performance on it??!wayy better than the adreno...

varund7726 said:
ya the 544 is a version higher
but still
have u seen the gaming performance on it??!wayy better than the adreno...
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If you're talking about the gaming performance on the iPhone 5 compared to the adreno, forget it. IOS has more optimised gaming apps and I'm not too sure if you can get 60fps on the octa core S4 in asphalt 8 either. Hmmmm...
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