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It's been 10 months since I bought my Athena. I was invited to do a review on it on the Mobilehornet site.
Here is the first installment of my review, hot from the press today.
http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/962
Enjoy.
Nice Start
nice review, looking forward to reading your later installments
nice review ... i have mixed feelings about the md ... sureley 8gb ssd is doable and i would prefer that...
but the thing that initially set microdrive apart from the standard CF card when it first came out was the fact that it had immensly more storage compared to CF cards at the time..
so what you have to ask is why choose to only put in a 8gb when higher capacities are doable ?
These are all the five parts of the post review on Athena. Enjoy!
Part 1 - U1000 STORAGE
http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/962
Part 2 - THE 5″ VGA SCREEN
http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/1011
Part 3 - THE KEYBOARD
http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/1031
Part 4 - AS A PHONE
http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/1063
Part 5 - MULTIMEDIA POWER (You are here.)
http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/1148
I fully agree, nice review, the best part is the ending:
"In fact, this is probably the best single device in the market today that does it all."
YES!
P.S.
Have you tried to use it connected with TRUE CONNECT 3.0 ? http://www.raspberrysoftware.com/
Full SMS integration with Outlook, a small powerfull laptop, and a WM phone wirth true connect. WHO NEEDS A SHIFT?
sergiopi said:
I fully agree, nice review, the best part is the ending:
"In fact, this is probably the best single device in the market today that does it all."
YES!
P.S.
Have you tried to use it connected with TRUE CONNECT 3.0 ? http://www.raspberrysoftware.com/
Full SMS integration with Outlook, a small powerfull laptop, and a WM phone wirth true connect. WHO NEEDS A SHIFT?
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Great software. To bad it isn't free...
sergiopi said:
I fully agree, nice review, the best part is the ending:
"In fact, this is probably the best single device in the market today that does it all."
YES!
P.S.
Have you tried to use it connected with TRUE CONNECT 3.0 ? http://www.raspberrysoftware.com/
Full SMS integration with Outlook, a small powerfull laptop, and a WM phone wirth true connect. WHO NEEDS A SHIFT?
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Thanks for the info. Will try it out.
sergiopi said:
I fully agree, nice review, the best part is the ending:
"In fact, this is probably the best single device in the market today that does it all."
YES!
P.S.
Have you tried to use it connected with TRUE CONNECT 3.0 ? http://www.raspberrysoftware.com/
Full SMS integration with Outlook, a small powerfull laptop, and a WM phone wirth true connect. WHO NEEDS A SHIFT?
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if you want a free program that does that without the outlook integration
http://www.mymobiler.com/
i use it ... love it
very nice review, i'm glad i was able to read it.
i am planning on buying one, i'm just waiting for hands on review of the x7510 then i'll decide between the x7500 or the x7510.
i want to know more about the new web browser on the x7510.
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cktlcmd said:
very nice review, i'm glad i was able to read it.
i am planning on buying one, i'm just waiting for hands on review of the x7510 then i'll decide between the x7500 or the x7510.
i want to know more about the new web browser on the x7510.
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I would love to get my hand on a x7510 too. ATM, all I know is that
1) it has 16GB SDD memory instead of the 8GB Microdrive. The capacity per se is not really an attraction for me, and I suspect for most users, as most of us are still prabably not using up a small portion of 8GB, given the ability to have large capacity microSDHC. But the fact that it is SDD is an attraction, abeit not a strong one, from the viewpoint of battery life, and hopefully reliability (an assumption at this stage, from my viewpoint). Currently I install almost all my programs on the microdrive (about 70 active ones and over 100 in total if I include those which I have uninstalled), and use only about 1 GB out of the total 8GB. All my big consuming files are in the microSHDC. This offers me the advantage of being able to change my storage card without affecting the device function, and offers unlimited logical capacity.
2) Better keyboard but losing out 4 hardware buttons. This to me is the real deciding factor. For those who prefer to use it notebook style, then the absence of hardware buttons is not an issue. For those who prefer to use it tablet style, however, the keyboard does not come into the equation while the lost of hardware buttons is a very serious concern. There are just too many things that you need the hardware buttons for. Just to list a few here:
- moving from one email to another.
- changing from one email account to another.
- changing the volume in MP3
- Go to next and previous songs in MP3
- blank out the screen or bring back the screen in MP3
- Pausing and resuming in MP3
With the hardware button, I could put my Athena in the pouch and never have to take it out while using the MP3. Without it, I need to take it out just to do simple thing like pausing and resuming.
The list goes on...
For me at least, x7510 is a significant disadvantage compared to the X750X, for reasons listed above.
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2) Better keyboard but losing out 4 hardware buttons.
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Yes, I agree about the buttons. I guess whoever designed it does not own one.
But the memory form (SSD) is another factor for me. Being 16 GB is another plus.
I intend to use it the same way as you do. Install all capable apps to the SSD 16 GB and all songs, movies, files, etc... to the micro SD.
I have a question, does the X7500 support SDHC? Is there a limit?
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cktlcmd said:
Yes, I agree about the buttons. I guess whoever designed it does not own one.
But the memory form (SSD) is another factor for me. Being 16 GB is another plus.
I intend to use it the same way as you do. Install all capable apps to the SSD 16 GB and all songs, movies, files, etc... to the micro SD.
I have a question, does the X7500 support SDHC? Is there a limit?
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Not SDHC. Only supports Mini or Micro cards due to the slot size.
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Not SDHC. Only supports Mini or Micro cards due to the slot size.
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I believe it DOES support SDHC MiniSD cards - but I could be wrong.
Thanks for the replies. So I guess for now, were stuck at 8GB. I read somewhere Sandisk is releasing a 16 GB micro SDHC this summer. The problem is it's not gon'na be cheap.
I saw this: http://www.supermediastore.com/sandisk-8gb-microsd-transflash-memory-card.html It's 8GB and SDHC, will this work?
Provided I am right (I believe I am but not 100% certain), then yes it would, but isn't it cheaper at Amazon?
http://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-Micro...M?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1207398928&sr=8-2
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Thanks for the replies. So I guess for now, were stuck at 8GB. I read somewhere Sandisk is releasing a 16 GB micro SDHC this summer. The problem is it's not gon'na be cheap.
I saw this: http://www.supermediastore.com/sandisk-8gb-microsd-transflash-memory-card.html It's 8GB and SDHC, will this work?
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Your link shows a microSDHC, not a SDHC.
To summarise,it would not supper SD and SDHC, but would support microSD, microSDHC, miniSD, and miniSDHC.
To use micro sized cards, you need an adaptor.
There seems to be a slight misunderstanding of terms here.
Strictly speaking, you are right eaglesteve but I believe cktlcmd was using SDHC in the more generic term as just the HC part of it and was fully aware of the physical siuze differences and was asking about the Highr capacities so was really asking
does the X7500 support MiniSDHC?
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Confucious said:
Provided I am right (I believe I am but not 100% certain), then yes it would, but isn't it cheaper at Amazon?
http://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-Micro...M?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1207398928&sr=8-2
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Thanks for the link.
eaglesteve said:
Your link shows a microSDHC, not a SDHC.
To summarise,it would not supper SD and SDHC, but would support microSD, microSDHC, miniSD, and miniSDHC.
To use micro sized cards, you need an adaptor.
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Sorry for not clarifying, it was my mistake...
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There seems to be a slight misunderstanding of terms here.
Strictly speaking, you are right eaglesteve but I believe cktlcmd was using SDHC in the more generic term as just the HC part of it and was fully aware of the physical siuze differences and was asking about the Highr capacities so was really asking
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Yes, I was refering to the generic term. Thanks for clarifying.
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No problem mates. Whenever SDHC is used, I have a very specific size is mind, but I know sometimes it is used loosely which creates confusion in communication. Anyway, glad that your question is fully answered. Cheers.
I think there is one more big 'advantage' of x7510 over x7501. x7510 offers USB 2.0 so can now think of using it as PMC. Not to mention the great reliabilty of SSD
My original question:
Anyone know how is this SD card support on Xoom?
I meant, is it micro SD card, mini or full size?
Is there any hardware slot?
Or is it via USB port?
I don't recall there is hardware slot there to insert SD card when I saw all those "hands on".
Answer from Motorola support can be seen from my update here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11546402&postcount=19
gogol said:
Anyone know how is this SD card support on Xoom?
I meant, is it micro SD card, mini or full size?
Is there any hardware slot?
Or is it via USB port?
I don't recall there is hardware slot there to insert SD card when I saw all those "hands on".
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All legit androids use microSD, as does the XOOM.
I don't know what you mean by hardware slot.
USB Port? Are you asking how the microSD slot interfaces with the device? Your question is good, because I too have been wondering where the SD Card goes.
http://www.androidcentral.com/motor...ardware-upgrade-4g-software-patch-microsd-use
I am not seeing any mention of SD card slot in the specs or in the user manual. Am I missing it somewhere?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Motorol...rice/1946179.p?id=1218305636450&skuId=1946179
There is a microsd slot at the top of the device. I think i remember seeing it in a hands on video
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There is a microsd slot at the top of the device. I think i remember seeing it in a hands on video
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I saw it in a video but it was not the same model. It had a different color for the back. But it is odd that on Best Buy site the specs show NO for sd slot and no mention of it on Motorola site or user manual. Not sure why this is a big secret since it is a big deal and in fact, deal breaker for me if it is not there.
keitht said:
I saw it in a video but it was not the same model. It had a different color for the back. But it is odd that on Best Buy site the specs show NO for sd slot and no mention of it on Motorola site or user manual. Not sure why this is a big secret since it is a big deal and in fact, deal breaker for me if it is not there.
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I think I remember hearing somewhere around CES that the SD card slot didn't work and was going to be activated by a later patch. What's up with the Xoom being shipped with all kinds of missing functionality?
The BGR hands-on with the Xoom this week mentions the microSD slot is on the top of the device, along with the headphone jack and SIM slot (if applicable). There is a microSD slot on the device. It's been mentioned several times that it will require a software update from Moto to activate it - it's not clear whether that's a Google issue or a Motorola issue. There has been some speculation that it was because Android 3.0 didn't yet support SD cards at the time the Xoom was being demo'd.
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The BGR hands-on with the Xoom this week mentions the microSD slot is on the top of the device, along with the headphone jack and SIM slot (if applicable). There is a microSD slot on the device. It's been mentioned several times that it will require a software update from Moto to activate it - it's not clear whether that's a Google issue or a Motorola issue. There has been some speculation that it was because Android 3.0 didn't yet support SD cards at the time the Xoom was being demo'd.
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Perhaps that is why it is not mentioned in any of the official specs. Pretty lame for a $800 device. So I wonder if the slot is there, when it will actually work? Very sloppy.
on page 10 of the manual theres a reference to microsd card. as for where it is i remember seeing it on the top of the xoom during hands on videos.
socomdark said:
on page 10 of the manual theres a reference to microsd card. as for where it is i remember seeing it on the top of the xoom during hands on videos.
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Thanks, I missed that:
"Tips & tricks
• Photos and videos are stored on your micro SD
memory card."
I just hope it actually works without waiting for an update. It is odd that Best Buy specs for the device do not mention an SD slot even exists.
Yes. Support WILL come. I would love to know how they are having trouble with something so basic. Based on the Viewsonic G-Tablet labeling internal memory as SD 1 and the SD card as SD 2.. perhaps they are working on a more fluid integration of it. As long as they let me put the 50,000 apps I plan to install on the internal memory similar to App2SD I'm happy for now.
keitht said:
Perhaps that is why it is not mentioned in any of the official specs. Pretty lame for a $800 device. So I wonder if the slot is there, when it will actually work? Very sloppy.
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I'm not bashing the iPad, but do the expensive iPad WiFi+3G versions support microSD? No, they don't. MicroSD support will come, likely shortly after launch, and 32GB of storage will be enough to tide people over until it does. I'm not worried about it.
dwboston said:
I'm not bashing the iPad, but do the expensive iPad WiFi+3G versions support microSD? No, they don't. MicroSD support will come, likely shortly after launch, and 32GB of storage will be enough to tide people over until it does. I'm not worried about it.
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I don't understand this comparison. If Apple had a MicroSD card on the device, it would most definitely work out of the box.
dwboston said:
I'm not bashing the iPad, but do the expensive iPad WiFi+3G versions support microSD? No, they don't. MicroSD support will come, likely shortly after launch, and 32GB of storage will be enough to tide people over until it does. I'm not worried about it.
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An interesting point. iPad doesn't have the functionality at all and never will based on current devices. You have to decide how much space you want at release, which I find annoying as I always bought the cheapest device.
keitht said:
I don't understand this comparison. If Apple had a MicroSD card on the device, it would most definitely work out of the box.
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On one hand, I agree, Apple never releases a device unfinished. On the other hand, they accomplish this by taking a long time for a device to come to market, and they are always behind in both specs and features.
Apple has proven the merit of a wholly controlled ecosystem that lends to a more solid device. Many people don't care about specs and advanced features.
setite said:
An interesting point. iPad doesn't have the functionality at all and never will based on current devices. You have to decide how much space you want at release, which I find annoying as I always bought the cheapest device.
On one hand, I agree, Apple never releases a device unfinished. On the other hand, they accomplish this by taking a long time for a device to come to market, and they are always behind in both specs and features.
Apple has proven the merit of a wholly controlled ecosystem that lends to a more solid device. Many people don't care about specs and advanced features.
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Apple does take their time and won't rush to just release a product.
I am sure motorola will have a patch ready to go soon if not already. they may have already gotten it done and put on the device.
Being an early adopter of gadgets I understand that sometimes the first release can be a little buggy.
However it bugs me that Motorola did not clarify these issues. No flash and no SD support out of the gate is something that should have been clarified to everyone. I have followed pretty closely the last month and did not realize either of these issues until today.
Having the promise of working features after day 1 is not always a lock as my Galaxy S phone was promised to have an update for flash support and an update to fix the GPS issue yet that has never happened.
i am still buying one on Thursday but will be deciding on the 29th day if I feel I can trust Motorola.
MOTO just wanted to wear the hat of "first to market a honeycomb tablet". Its a race for that hat, with solid patches coming down the pipe pretty quickly.
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An interesting point. iPad doesn't have the functionality at all and never will based on current devices. You have to decide how much space you want at release, which I find annoying as I always bought the cheapest device.
On one hand, I agree, Apple never releases a device unfinished. On the other hand, they accomplish this by taking a long time for a device to come to market, and they are always behind in both specs and features.
Apple has proven the merit of a wholly controlled ecosystem that lends to a more solid device. Many people don't care about specs and advanced features.
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Not sure why we are talking about the Ianything.. But Cut and Paste wasn't initially supported ... enough said.
This has been answered by the Motorola supports:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/45325?tstart=0
DansDroid wrote:
Yes Sir, received it today. Here are my readings with all of my apps and settings automatically transferred over. Total internal storage is 28.78gb., 698 mb. media, 518 mb. applications and 27.60 gb. available. There is an external sliding door for the external microSD card and SIM tray that will allow for the Verizon 4G LTE card when both are available in a future software upgrade. The external microSD card, when enabled, will support up to 32 gb., as I had thought. --- Dan
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So, apparently, this could be something NEW to Android.
There is only 1 single partition for all apps, media, files, etc.
That's good!
I think I talked about this in a different thread, but the reason for the delay in sd card support is because the sd card will not be mounted/unmounted whenever you plug it into the pc. Which I would prefer. Having my sd card mount and unmount every time I plug it into the pc is annoying.
This is the reason for the delay. Rebuilding the wheel takes some time.
On Digitimes "Samsung reportedly to phase out from microSD card market" as you can see it is being reported that Samsung plans to phase out microSD cards http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130507PD224.html. Also, consider if they go the way of Amazon, Nexus and the rest with no microSD cards--no way for users to warehouse their own data. Therefore requiring an internet connection to access your own data, then there will be few products out there with microSD cards and the storage you buy will be all you have unless you want to store your information on remote servers "cloud" to be accessed only if you have a web connection.
To voice your opinion about microSD cards you can email [email protected] and input. The more people who input on wanting them to continue to use microSD cards/slots in their future products the better chance they will keep the technology. I know this is a matter of choice and everyone feels differently about it, but, if you value having microSD please contact Samsung.
edirector said:
On Digitimes "Samsung reportedly to phase out from microSD card market" as you can see it is being reported that Samsung plans to phase out microSD cards http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130507PD224.html. Also, consider if they go the way of Amazon, Nexus and the rest with no microSD cards--no way for users to warehouse their own data. Therefore requiring an internet connection to access your own data, then there will be few products out there with microSD cards and the storage you buy will be all you have unless you want to store your information on remote servers "cloud" to be accessed only if you have a web connection.
To voice your opinion about microSD cards you can email [email protected] and input. The more people who input on wanting them to continue to use microSD cards/slots in their future products the better chance they will keep the technology. I know this is a matter of choice and everyone feels differently about it, but, if you value having microSD please contact Samsung.
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If there do not provide what I would consider ample storage I would just move to another manufactures device that did or still used external storage.
To be clear, though, the article is not about Samsung discontinuing microSD support on its devices. It does not address that.
The article says that Samsung is going to stop making microSD cards. I don't know that I've bought Samsung flash in a microsd package - I may have, but there will continue to be other vendors.
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To be clear, though, the article is not about Samsung discontinuing microSD support on its devices. It does not address that.
The article says that Samsung is going to stop making microSD cards. I don't know that I've bought Samsung flash in a microsd package - I may have, but there will continue to be other vendors.
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So you think they will provide microSD card slots so users can continue to use them & buy (give money to) another vendor? Not sure whether they will or not but we can input if we appreciate having microSD capability by letting them know instead of waiting to see what they do.
edirector said:
So you think they will provide microSD card slots so users can continue to use them & buy (give money to) another vendor? Not sure whether they will or not but we can input if we appreciate having microSD capability by letting them know instead of waiting to see what they do.
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I guess they will stop making phone with microusb and there are people out here buying micro usb cables from other vendors.
aalupatti said:
I guess they will stop making phone with microusb and there are people out here buying micro usb cables from other vendors.
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Not saying that either but best to be safe than sorry. Lot easier to install a custom rom from a external SD then using your laptop to always side-load them.
edirector said:
So you think they will provide microSD card slots so users can continue to use them & buy (give money to) another vendor? Not sure whether they will or not but we can input if we appreciate having microSD capability by letting them know instead of waiting to see what they do.
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This has little or no bearing on removable MicroSD support on Samsung devices. They probably don't make batteries, yet they still make phones that use batteries (and therefore "giving money to another vendor").
The computer memory market in general is incredibly competitive, and not horribly profitable. I didn't even know Samsung made MicroSD cards to begin with. Maybe its just me, but they never seemed like a big player in the memory market (like SanDisk, Kingston, etc.), so its not surprising to see them exit it.
Yes, there is some trend to embedded memory on tablets and phones (at least on iPhones, HTC, and some other brands). But as long as there is some demand for removable MicroSD support, Samsung will probbaly continue to offer it. They seem to be carving a niche for themselves in the mobile market, by offering features lacked by other brands.
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Lot easier to install a custom rom from a external SD then using your laptop to always side-load them.
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Its ridiculously easy to load a ROM onto embedded memory by mounting USB, either via recovery or just in the Android OS itself. Not any more complicated than loading a ROM onto a removable MicroSD card using a card reader.
I use the Samsung "Pro" microSD cards and prefer them over the Sandisk, but it seems that Samsung hasn't really been very aggressive in marketing these products. As far as other Samsung memory products, their 830- & 840-Series SSD drives are tops. I prefer them over the Crucial and Sandisk SDDs as well. I think Samsung makes the bulk of their memory profits from large OEM contracts for on-board memory, such as for Apple iPhone, etc.
As far as Samsung eliminating the mSD card slot on their future devices, that would certainly be a bummer IMO, but only time will tell if this becomes a reality.
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I use the Samsung "Pro" microSD cards and prefer them over the Sandisk, but it seems that Samsung hasn't really been very aggressive in marketing these products. As far as other Samsung memory products, their 830- & 840-Series SSD drives are tops. I prefer them over the Crucial and Sandisk SDDs as well. I think Samsung makes the bulk of their memory profits from large OEM contracts for on-board memory, such as for Apple iPhone, etc.
As far as Samsung eliminating the mSD card slot on their future devices, that would certainly be a bummer IMO, but only time will tell if this becomes a reality.
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Samsung responded to my email. They said they are researching the source of that article statement and that it would be something they would announce to customers. They, of course, appreciated the input and forwarded the inquiry to the appropriate department for clarity. So writing does help and they did respond. One thing it did, was let them know someone appreciated having microSD cards & slots.
I heard that android m will allow phones to use micro SD cards as phone memory, not like the old days when you had options to move only certain programs (and not the whole program) to the card.
I had an Att note for when they came out. I was shocked that with the bloatware installed, I had quite a small amount of space of the 32gig to use for programs. Far less than I thought.
Anyway, I read somewhere that M will see your SD card as phone memory.
32gig moto x and 32gig card would essentially allow me to enjoy what I have now with my oneplus one?
In short yes. The way it works is android will format your SD card and then it will be recognised as internal memory. In a way. You can remove it like you can remove sd cards now but only an Android device can recognize it. There's a chance only the device that formatted the card will recognize it but I'm not sure about that.
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Is that supposed to be mandatory or can I simply use it as storage.
I typically like running apps from the internal memory and keeping media (music/video/images) on the SD card.
Is that still going to be supported or is the use as memory scenario going to be forced?
I think it will be an optional feature. It wouldn't make sense to add extra support but also remove support for the same add-on media.
With this news, I am curious if phone manufacturers will begin adding two micro SD slots on the phones. One slot would be for "internal" memory expansion, and one for traditional SD support.
Doubtful because they will just say no reason to adda second because you can get a 128 gb chip
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zatokie said:
With this news, I am curious if phone manufacturers will begin adding two micro SD slots on the phones. One slot would be for "internal" memory expansion, and one for traditional SD support.
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You are kidding right? We cant even get samsung to give us one sdcard slot in any phone let alone two hahahaha keep dreaming
More importantly.. how quickly do you think the Moto X will get Marshmallow?
joshhud said:
More importantly.. how quickly do you think the Moto X will get Marshmallow?
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I assume it will be pretty quick after the official release of Marshmallow. Motorola is usually pretty quick about updates. They also won't need carrier approval so it should be faster than ever.
Ganondroid said:
I assume it will be pretty quick after the official release of Marshmallow. Motorola is usually pretty quick about updates. They also won't need carrier approval so it should be faster than ever.
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Unfortunately they're slow on the point releases. While 5.0 was out very quickly on the Moto X Pure edition, 5.1 didn't come out until 5 months after Google's release.
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Unfortunately they're slow on the point releases. While 5.0 was out very quickly on the Moto X Pure edition, 5.1 didn't come out until 5 months after Google's release.
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It's a good thing that Marshmallow is Android 6.0 then.
Ganondroid said:
I assume it will be pretty quick after the official release of Marshmallow. Motorola is usually pretty quick about updates. They also won't need carrier approval so it should be faster than ever.
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I think Moto X 2013 owners would disagree with you regarding 'quick updates'.
RyanTX said:
I think Moto X 2013 owners would disagree with you regarding 'quick updates'.
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Weren't they beings sold they carriers at that point in time though?
newellj79 said:
Weren't they beings sold they carriers at that point in time though?
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Not outside of the US for sure. But still, lollipop was a huge upgrade from KitKat. The KitKat release itself was extremely fast, I received that like 1 or 2 weeks after I received it on my nexus 10.
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In theory, the whole point of the SD card Marshallow feature is a way to allow Android One phones which have low internal memory to be cheaper and perform better. Wouldn't the same apply in our case, allowing manufacturers to offer 8 and 16 GB models with an SD card slot as a way of getting their cost down and marketing their phones at a cheaper price... Knowing now that subsidies are over and to compete, price is a huge factor.
On the topic of SD cards, can anyone suggest a very solid and reliable 128GB card I can use in the Moto X Pure? I've had bad luck before with cards dying so I really don't want my girlfriend going through the same experience that I had.
doratheconquistadora said:
On the topic of SD cards, can anyone suggest a very solid and reliable 128GB card I can use in the Moto X Pure? I've had bad luck before with cards dying so I really don't want my girlfriend going through the same experience that I had.
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I haven't used their 128 GB version yet, but I've used several of SanDisk's 64 GB cards in multiple devices and never had a problem. Most recently, I've got a couple of these and they work great:
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M55C1I2
SanDisk has a newer, slightly faster version of that card out now as well. I'll probably get the newer 128 GB version for the Moto X myself.
I am curious about what the read/write speeds will be compared to the internal storage. That might be a pretty big caveat regarding this whole idea of using sd cards to expand internal storage.
gthing said:
I am curious about what the read/write speeds will be compared to the internal storage. That might be a pretty big caveat regarding this whole idea of using sd cards to expand internal storage.
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Not fast enough to record 4K video, but fast enough for everything else, I would guess.
Such a huge disappointment to me personally....Samsung is apparently not allowing adoptable storage, meaning that everyone in Europe will be stuck with 32 gb minus whatever is reserved for the OS. I am still at a loss as to how Samsung came up with the brilliant idea to have only 32 gb models available.
It seems that the same also goes for the new LG G5.
Well, I was very close to buying my first ever Samsung phone....
It might have to do with the ufs storage being so fast that sticking a cheap/slow sd card will hamper loading times with apps that are installed on it . Thats my guess at least.
Something like this will probably work. I would bet this technique will work fine on the s7 with either no or minor modifications.
https://reddit.com/r/lgg4/comments/3z1bfi/enable_adoptable_storage_on_your_lg_g4_stock_no/
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I think it's a good idea. Store your media in microSD, let UFS handle apps. There is a good write-up here to understand the concept.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
Adoptable storage is really only useful for two things:
- An SD card placed in a phone or tablet and never to be removed
- A USB storage device attached to your Android TV box, and never to be removed.
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That means your microSD is NOT removeable while using adopotable storage option.
If you try to remove it, things go haywire.
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There's also the bit about how SD cards have a limited number of times they can be read from and written to. Using an SD card the "normal" way means failures are uncommon. When you start caching data and reading and writing at a rate higher than a card was designed to handle, problems can arise.
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I personally prefer it split. The default folder structure is a complete mess and its such a pain having to find my documents, music, camera folders etc when they are all mixed in with junk folders so its much better to have them stored separately on the sd card. I just wish that Chrome would add the option of changing the default download location.
NYanakiev1 said:
Such a huge disappointment to me personally....Samsung is apparently not allowing adoptable storage, meaning that everyone in Europe will be stuck with 32 gb minus whatever is reserved for the OS. I am still at a loss as to how Samsung came up with the brilliant idea to have only 32 gb models available.
It seems that the same also goes for the new LG G5.
Well, I was very close to buying my first ever Samsung phone....
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Same here, I was going to pre-order one with 64gb or 128gb but only 32gb available; what a disappointment. I don't like to use micro SD card. I'm not getting one for that reason.
I'm holding out for a 64gb model. 32gb just isnt enough,
This won't affect me, since I don't game, my 16gb S4 already has enough OS/app storage, & I use my 128gb SD as static music storage. However, I agree that this option should be present for people who have different usage patterns than mine, especially since Sandisk just released super fast SD cards. Even better would be 64/128gb built-in to make the point moot for just about anyone.
Dwayne01 said:
I'm holding out for a 64gb model. 32gb just isnt enough,
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Well if you're in the states you won't be getting a 64GB version lol so I would suggest getting an SD card so you can start enjoying this beautiful phone
I too am disappointed with no 64gb option. Unreal. Freaking kids that complained got what they want. Now i personally will not buy it because I'm forced to use slow ass sd card. Stupid. So stupid. No one realizes that ufs is stupid faster then the best sd cards except for the diehards.
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Well if you're in the states you won't be getting a 64GB version lol so I would suggest getting an SD card so you can start enjoying this beautiful phone
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I'm in the UK, so there is still hope
Samsung's explanation seems kinda dumb, they could have just added that option in Developer settings or something.
I wonder if this is something that could be enacted in a custom ROM.
I guess I understand the disappointment but 32 gig is plenty of room especially if ya pack all pictures and music off the side.
It will be yet a better reason to root and free up bloat of space is an issue??
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Samsung's explanation seems kinda dumb, they could have just added that option in Developer settings or something.
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No, it's quiet brillant from both LG and Samsung.
Phone are not made for people in XDA. My friends (some of who work in IT or other engineers) don't even know or care about 'Developer Settings'. My parents know nothing more than taking photos on defualt settings, listening music, messages etc., Do you think these people will have any idea about adoptable storage?
Samsung doesn't care about XDA people, and rightly so. You don't run a trillion dollar business based on whims of XDA folks. What's best for common man is what's their aim. And I applaud them for thinking beyond geek mentality. Same goes for LG.
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No, it's quiet brillant from both LG and Samsung.
Phone are not made for people in XDA. My friends (some of who work in IT or other engineers) don't even know or care about 'Developer Settings'. My parents know nothing more than taking photos on defualt settings, listening music, messages etc., Do you think these people will have any idea about adoptable storage?
Samsung doesn't care about XDA people, and rightly so. You don't run a trillion dollar business based on whims of XDA folks. What's best for common man is what's their aim. And I applaud them for thinking beyond geek mentality. Same goes for LG.
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I understand and kind of agree with this, but by this same reasoning, they should never have brought back the idea of expandable memory in the first place.
Virtually all of the people you refer to as not needing, caring about, or even necessarily understanding the idea of adoptable storage are not much more likely to need, care about, or understand the idea of portable storage either.
And yet, here we are with the SD card slot re-added to the 2016 models. Samsung must have been responding to a minority of their consumers complaining about loss of expandable storage or they would never have done this.
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I understand and kind of agree with this, but by this same reasoning, they should never have brought back the idea of expandable memory in the first place.
Virtually all of the people you refer to as not needing, caring about, or even necessarily understanding the idea of adoptable storage are not much more likely to need, care about, or understand the idea of portable storage either.
And yet, here we are with the SD card slot re-added to the 2016 models. Samsung must have been responding to a minority of their consumers complaining about loss of expandable storage or they would never have done this.
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The idea remains the same as with the GS5, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Expandable =/= adoptable.
Once a storage device is adopted, it becomes part of the system and is no longer removable. Sure you can physically remove it, but you'll be prompted to put it back while apps and services crash on your phone or tablet. It's adopted — taken in and loved by the system, and made part of the whole.
This means Adoptable storage is really only useful for two things:
An SD card placed in a phone or tablet and never to be removed
A USB storage device attached to your Android TV box, and never to be removed.
When you insert an SD card into the HTC One A9 (the only device I've been able to try it on because Google hates SD cards) you have the choice of using it as a Portable device or an Internal device if you go to reformat it. If you choose Portable, it acts like any other SD card and you can take it out and swap it between devices at your leisure.
If you choose Internal, things change. The device is formatted as a local, 128-bit AES encrypted EXT4 drive and mounted as part of the system. It's then set as the preferred storage, and you're prompted to move data over. Newly generated data is placed on the adopted storage by default.
If you try to remove it, things go haywire.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
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The idea remains the same as with the GS5, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Expandable =/= adoptable.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
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Previous post to mine said no adoptable storage on s7 because the great majority of buyers wouldn't understand or care about it.
I was pointing out (or trying to, at least) that if that was the reason that adoptable storage was not included in the s7's version of MM, Samsung probably wouldn't have resurrected the SD slot at all, since the same logic would apply (i.e. the vast majority of buyers for a huge, huge seller like a Samsung flagship probably won't bother using the SD slot even for its remaining use as portable storage).
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Previous post to mine said no adoptable storage on s7 because the great majority of buyers wouldn't understand or care about it.
I was pointing out (or trying to, at least) that if that was the reason that adoptable storage was not included in the s7's version of MM, Samsung probably wouldn't have resurrected the SD slot at all, since the same logic would apply (vast majority of buyers for a huge, huge seller like a Samsung flagship won't bother using the SD slot even for its remaining use as portable storage).
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Well, without adoptable you can put it in and forget, no need to care about formatting and losing your data. It would create more confusion.
Adoptable Storage is fine for $100 phones sold in emerging markets because their internals are slow performance wise. For a flagship all its storage will perform at the lowest common denominator which is the speed capabilities of the external SD card. LG and Samsung's choice makes sense. Use the slower less reliable storage for big ass video, RAW, and FLAC files and the faster storage for everything else. Their approach also lets media be shared via the external SD being removable which is impossible with Adoptable Storage. Just because Google puts something out doesn't make it good. As for performance, I can't remember any long threads saying using external storage to play files was ever a problem performance wise.
And for those with the bucks your worries about slow external storage can be solved...
https://www.sandisk.com/about/media...-card-featuring-worlds-fastest-transfer-speed