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Hey guys, I just got my 8525 a week ago, I'm still trying to get used to it. Overall i think i like it more then my TREO650 but i have one problem, i cant stand the small power button on the side. Most of the time i push it i push the slide keyboard out too, its so small i can never find it.
My old Treo650 had the power button and locking keys on the END button, when i push END it would lock and turn off the screen, to Unlock i would push END again and then the Center button. Is there any way to re-assign the Power button on the 8525 to be like my old Treo650?
Any suggestions guys. I am having the same problem with small power button
DAFTEK said:
its so small i can never find it.
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sounds like a personal problem, maybe see a doctor?
On a serious note.. i dont think it can be reprogrammed via the software, i believe the power button is actually mapped via hardware since it is used for functions like putting the phone into bootloader mode, etc.. i could be wrong though.
Hey thanks for the reply although its my phone with the small problem I have tried two programs on the forum here called Devicelock.cab but that only locks the device but you still have to push power to power the phone back up.
I believe the power key can be reprogrammed in one or two highly invasive ways.
However, it doesn't sound like you want to re-assign the power key, but to assign the power off function to another key. Is that correct? That's easy/
If you want to assign the power on function, that is more complicated, but there are work arounds.
V
I agree with the original poster. The small power on/off button is poor design. When I want to place a call, I first need to turn the device on by hitting that very small button. Then I need to activate the phone app or invoke MS voice command. It's just plain poor design. I love my 8525, but it could be so much better if the product designers at HTC actually thought about the ergonomics of the tasks users do the most.
One more gripe. The phone app is atrocious. Getting to the recent dialed list or to toggle the speakerphone usually requires bringing up a menu. This is annoying for a phone and a better design could mitigate the poor usability. I/m not an iPhone fanboy but take a look at the thought Apple put in there *first* phone and it is quite illuminating on the state of PPC phones.
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[...]Getting to the recent dialed list or to toggle the speakerphone usually requires bringing up a menu[...]
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You could try scrollwheel up or D-pad up for recent call list .
(also down for speed-dials).
Maybe you could map a button for speakerphone, not sure though.
ovidiugm said:
Maybe you could map a button for speakerphone, not sure though.
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The original poster could - while in a call - try pressing the green button for two or three seconds.
I think it's even mentioned in the manual...
Cheers
Daniel
Hello.
I agree with the previous posters. The badly placed powerOn button is "bad design". If anyone finds the sollution (to PowerON the device using another key) please share it!
Otherwise, this is a great device. A true pocket computer
Best regards, jZ
+1 for the poor design.
I always hit the power button as I am pulling it out of the case when a call comes in, that turns off the screen, then I have to hit it again to see who is calling, and with all that going on as well as the ringer, the phone has a minor anurism and delays in answering.....
So to summarise the poor design aspect of this thread:
1. The power button is too small/difficult to find and press.
2. The power button is too easy to press/find even by accident.
Conclusion, it's just about right then!!
You can't please all of the people all of the time.
Mike
1. The power button is too small/difficult to find and press.
2. The power button is too easy to press/find even by accident.
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Sounds like the classic male/female dichotomy. I never can operate my wife's buttons, however obvious the functionality might seem....
V
vijay555 said:
Sounds like the classic male/female dichotomy. I never can operate my wife's buttons, however obvious the functionality might seem....
V
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unfortunately i can operate my wife's buttons even when i dont want to.. talk about poor design )
Lol, Shogun, remind us again how many kids you have?
Ok, some Opus Dei style self flagellation for the errant moderators going off topic.
Is this issue now resolved?
V
I can also operate my wifes buttons just fine as well but all i want is to find out if i can move the power button to maybe the PPT button or END when holding it.
Daftek, again, do you want to emulate the power key functionality, (ie on/off) on another key, and/or entirely disable the original power key?
V
Thats what I would like to do......
Hello.
I think we'd all like to assign a DIFFERENT KEY to POWER ON function. POWER OFF is no problem, because a button for this can be assigned through "Buttons". When the phone is in "sleep mode", only the POWER button can wake it.
Any solutions?
Regards, jZ
IMHO, it's possible but not easily.
Easiest work around is to disable button locking, so that pressing any button can wake the device, and then use a software lock to timeout/power off if you happen to poke a hardware button while it's in your pocket.
Alternatively you could rewrite the button driver, but it's possible (although I've not looked into it definitively) that the hardware power button is a hardware interrupt to the CPU. In which case a software based solution will not override a hardware based connection.
V
This is what I did...
I totally agree the power button is a pain, the size, placement...
I know this sounds a bit weird but I took a small piece of plastic (actually from a toothpick) and crazy glued it on the button. It works great! I never miss the button anymore! See picture...
Hi All, I have owned a lot of HTC phones and now I have the HD, its the first time I see HTC phone with such small, thin, and hard to press power button !!
especially in the dark, I cant press it and wake up my phone easily !!
I MANAGED TO TWEAK MY HD and now I wake up my device pressing the volume button, but again I have new problem : sometimes when I carry my phone the volume get pressed by mistake and the ringer get muted or low and I miss some calls !!!
Any solution for this problem so I can wake up my phone from the standby without pressing the microscopic power button !!
Take out the stylus and insert it back again. That wakes up the device. Otherwise you might want to search for a G-sensor enabled "wake-up" application. "Shake_it_to_wake" so to speak...
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Hi All, I have owned a lot of HTC phones and now I have the HD, its the first time I see HTC phone with such small, thin, and hard to press power button !!
especially in the dark, I cant press it and wake up my phone easily !!
I MANAGED TO TWEAK MY HD and now I wake up my device pressing the volume button, but again I have new problem : sometimes when I carry my phone the volume get pressed by mistake and the ringer get muted or low and I miss some calls !!!
Any solution for this problem so I can wake up my phone from the standby without pressing the microscopic power button !!
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Hello
Use S2u2
facet_ said:
Hello
Use S2u2
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How can you use it to wake up the device? I don't see that option in the description, except the default stylus in and out...
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I guess S2U won´t help you with waking up your device but if you use volume buttons it will protect you from accidental muting your phone.
I found power hard to press, too, but then I looked closely: This power 'button' is indeed non-symmetrical - at least on *my* device: it stands up a bit on one side, the left side, which is closer to the middle of the HD. So I press it *there*, because obviously enough that's the place where the sensor is located. It works easy every time.
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I found power hard to press, too, but then I looked closely: This power 'button' is indeed non-symmetrical - at least on *my* device: it stands up a bit on one side, the left side, which is closer to the middle of the HD. So I press it *there*, because obviously enough that's the place where the sensor is located. It works easy every time.
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Thats a brilliant tip. Thank you.
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How can you use it to wake up the device? I don't see that option in the description, except the default stylus in and out...
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Hello , use keylock.exe and set unlocking any key + s2u2,
ahmadddd said:
I MANAGED TO TWEAK MY HD and now I wake up my device pressing the volume button,
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Can you tell me how?
Ducasito. Good observation. I wondered why sometime it was easy and sometimes hard. So the slight non-symmetrical button is not a manufacturing fault but a very subtle design feature. Now I know which side to hit. Thanks
Seems all HD's are different OR I have a very heavy finger.
All I need to do to get it to wake it lightly touch the power button and it comes on.
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Seems all HD's are different OR I have a very heavy finger.
All I need to do to get it to wake it lightly touch the power button and it comes on.
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I suppose it is just a matter of "where" you push the button. Just push it on the left edge (where the small led is placed) and you will not need that much pressure to switch the device on or off. The button sensor is actually under that left edge. the picture shows the powerbutton part (picture taken from the HTC Touch HD service manual). Under the left edge of it is the sensor, so putting the pressure there is the best way of pressing the button
ahmadddd wrote:
"I MANAGED TO TWEAK MY HD and now I wake up my device pressing the volume button"
my question is: how did you manage it? with a special registry key?
....since a few months I`m searching for a solution....please help me
(my fingers are too big for the Power button)
many thanks, Michael
TFH said:
ahmadddd wrote:
"I MANAGED TO TWEAK MY HD and now I wake up my device pressing the volume button"
my question is: how did you manage it? with a special registry key?
....since a few months I`m searching for a solution....please help me
(my fingers are too big for the Power button)
many thanks, Michael
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You can use AE button plus. I use this to convert my volum buttons to up and down buttons on single click, select/ok on double click, and volume on hold and press.
Thanks for your answer but I´ve a further question:
Do you "wake up" (from standby) the blackstone by using this AE button? I tried to use this software but I couldn`t wake up the Touch HD from standby by using the volume buttons.
Annoying Touch buttons
I think that the most DHD users have the same problem, touching the buttons at the bottom if you really dont want to.
So my question is if it would be possible to change the "Home" or the "Menu" button (pushing long) from "last used apps" to "turn on/off the touch keys???
that would be awsome
thx Dr.Pepper
Never been an issue for me, although i was anticipating problems with no hardware buttons its been fine...
Pepper90 said:
I think that the most DHD users have the same problem, touching the buttons at the bottom if you really dont want to.
So my question is if it would be possible to change the "Home" or the "Menu" button (pushing long) from "last used apps" to "turn on/off the touch keys???
that would be awsome
thx Dr.Pepper
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Can't help but say, "you're holding it wrong!"
Seriously though I've never encountered this problem on either this phone or my N1 which has a smaller screen.
How exactly are you managing to press the buttons by mistake?
Regards.
iam the only one who has the problem that he accidently hits a touch key while using the phone or playing a game? every little contact triggers the keys. i.e. if i use the thumb to type a message, holding the phone in the right hand, i sometimes trigger the search key.
my idea is to make it harder to trigger these keys. as they are part of the touchscreen, it sould be possible to do anything that can be done with the touch sreen. my ideas:
1. double-touch; tapping the key 2 times (like a double-klick) triggers it once
2. sweep; i.e. you touch the home-button and sweep out of it, then release. can be even harder with sweeping out and back in.
3. circle-touch; making a little circle over the button triggers it.
other ideas welcome.
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2nd problem: easier unlocking;
i feel it sometimes tricky to unlock the pone, wich is done by pressing the powerbutton at the top of the phone and sweeping on the bottom of the screen. the phone is'nt very small (or i have small hands). if iam holding the phone at the bottom, i can nearly reach the whole touch area with my thumb, but to unlock, i need to use my 2nd hand or to juggle the phone so i can reach the power button with the right hand. with the G1, which had a menu button at the bottom, it was just double-pressing that button and the phone was unlocked. iam looking for a similar easy way to do it.
its just annoying to take the phone out of the pocket and use both handy or juggle around to unlock it...
i dont know it it wastes additional energy to have the touchscreen active, so it can be used to unlock the phone. so my ideas:
1. use the touchscreen to unlock; i.e. draw a pattern, press the bottom key in some order (home, back, menu to unlock)
2.1 use the volume keys. if the screen is disabled, they are used to change the audio volume (or is that only the case, if music is playing?) When holding the phone at the bottom with the right hand, the volume-down hey is easily reachable. so you can do volume-down (which activates the screen) and then slide on the screen like you would do if you have pressed the power button. pressing volume-down with deactivated screen does not change the volume, but pressing it twice does (i.e. 1st press unlocks the screen and 2nd press takes volume down).
2.2 press vol-up and vol-down at the same time to unlock the phone. if i do that the phone vibrates sometimes, no idea why.
3. use acceleromater (or a other sensor?) to unlock, i.e. shaking the phone in a special way (i.e. a circle), activates the screen, so you can unlock it by sliding on it. also full unlock by shaking a phone could be possible (also known as kung-fu-unlock )
other ideas also welcome.
Proximity sensor for unlock when taking it out of the pocket :-D. I have the same problem as you so a 'fix' would be nice
yeah, you take the phone out of the pocket and it unlocks and says "hello raw, how you are doing?".
but that would be nice. question is if constantly checking the prox sensor would drain the battery much. it needs to be checked every 3 seconds or so.
lynxboy said:
Can't help but say, "you're holding it wrong!"
Seriously though I've never encountered this problem on either this phone or my N1 which has a smaller screen.
How exactly are you managing to press the buttons by mistake?
Regards.
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if i try to use the phone with one hand
seems like here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=854073) is another user with that problem.
same problem: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9550179#post9550179
Merged threads as topic is similar....
Cheers,
M_T_M
I read a lot of reviews about the Omnia 7 before buying one (can't have it until Christmas - I'm being good you see!) and a lot of them complained about the power button being in a place you're likely to press during a call.
My question: what happens if you press the power button during a call? On my HD (WinMo 6.5), it just goes in and out of standby but the call stays connected (so you can turn the screen on to use the keypad or switch to loudspeaker, etc). Is it the same with WP7?
My question too cause im looking to buy this phone also
I use the Omnia 7 for about 2 weeks now. Never had the problem of hitting the power button while making calls. But if I do so, nothing happens, it just turns of the screen, the call is still on. Same thing as you put your phone near your head and the sensor turns your screen off.
On other hand i "had" little problems with the back and search buttons. You can easily hit those buttons while doing other stuff. But its not as a big deal as it sounds.
Thanks very much - just what I needed. I was a bit worried as the Engadget review went on and on about the power button being just by your thumb, but it doesn't seem a big deal to me.
Edit: I thanked _ivo_ as well by accident - didn't mean it! No hard feelings
CreepinJesus said:
Thanks very much - just what I needed. I was a bit worried as the Engadget review went on and on about the power button being just by your thumb, but it doesn't seem a big deal to me.
Edit: I thanked _ivo_ as well by accident - didn't mean it! No hard feelings
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This almost put me off too. They must hold their phone in the most unusual way known to man, because my thumb sits nicely between the power & camera buttons...
The power button needs to be firmly pressed to turn off power, it would be very hard to press this unintentionally unless you hold your phone as tight as possible while calling.
That's the only thing I'd change about the hardware. I like the standard '4 softkeys' layout used in many other android phones, a hard button is just harder to use, prone to mechanical failure, and not as elegant.
I think Samsung was trying to keep the same layout as the Galaxy S, but since the rest of the phone is so different, I wish they hadn't.
Well... I'm sure that some day in the near future, there will come a phone that's simply one giant touch screen with like a millimeter bezel. We dont really need the softkeys either.
harder to use? seriously?
and why are soft keys sturdier than hardware keys???
i like having hardware to rely on, i feel more sound knowing i can always long press to get my task manager going, idk if id trust a soft key task manager.. i feel like if my phone is lagging the soft key may as well.. well it may all just be in my head, but i feel better
As nice as my samsung vibrant soft keys were, they lag terrible after the stock fw. I dont mind hardware button and didnt remember samsung galaxy s ever have a problem with the hardware button.
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That's the only thing I'd change about the hardware. I like the standard '4 softkeys' layout used in many other android phones, a hard button is just harder to use, prone to mechanical failure, and not as elegant.
I think Samsung was trying to keep the same layout as the Galaxy S, but since the rest of the phone is so different, I wish they hadn't.
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Guess it's a preference thing...'cause I actually like the physical button in the middle...
I don't like the button also, samsung tried to follow the iPhone recipe but the phone is just that good that it did not need to. doesn't need a hw button in my opinion.
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i like having hardware to rely on, i feel more sound knowing i can always long press to get my task manager going, idk if id trust a soft key task manager.. i feel like if my phone is lagging the soft key may as well.. well it may all just be in my head, but i feel better
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TBH these days all buttons are "soft keys". They just send a signal to an input controller. If it locks up, tough
The hero had a hard-combination that rebooted it in almost any situation (call + menu + end call), but they are physical buttons...
What does this mean? Well, tbh you can get to your task manager just as easy with a soft-key capacitive button, as if it's locked up, neither will work (presuming we are talking the same definition of locked up being hugely loaded on CPU, where a task needs killed?)
I hated the soft keys on my Nexus One. They seemed very finicky to register and had a couple of hundred millisecond delay before the haptic feedback kicked in as well, which made them very unpleasant to use.
The S II's software keys seem much nicer to use, but as far as I'm concerned I would ideally like all the keys to be hardware, as on the HTC Desire.
i have mixed feelings. the softkeys are better for ergonomics and speed of flow. tapping around the screen quicly to do your daily tasks and then tapping the back or menu button just flows easily, they are all screen taps and only need light pressure. tap-tap-tap-TAP-tap-tap etc
but having to throw in a hardware button into that ruins the muscle motion. tap-tap-tap-tap-tap and press-tap-tap-tap. its way easier to just go with all touch screen taps rather than having to switch it up to a hardware button.
HOWEVER, the physical button makes it better for screen wake up to not have to always hit the power button. and in a "smart" world the physical button would also be a notification light, so that would be the other advantage. but samsung didnt think too hard on this last point...duh.
I agree with the point about wakeup - its easier to hit the big button. I wish phones would let you use any of the hardware buttons to wakeup.
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i have mixed feelings. the softkeys are better for ergonomics and speed of flow. tapping around the screen quicly to do your daily tasks and then tapping the back or menu button just flows easily, they are all screen taps and only need light pressure. tap-tap-tap-TAP-tap-tap etc
but having to throw in a hardware button into that ruins the muscle motion. tap-tap-tap-tap-tap and press-tap-tap-tap. its way easier to just go with all touch screen taps rather than having to switch it up to a hardware button.
HOWEVER, the physical button makes it better for screen wake up to not have to always hit the power button. and in a "smart" world the physical button would also be a notification light, so that would be the other advantage. but samsung didnt think too hard on this last point...duh.
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Agree with every word. Not a deal breaker and I never used the search button except as a long press so I dont miss that. Any hard button can break though which is a downer and this one being the home button it will certainly see plenty of use. Hopefully the button is robust unlike the hardware buttons on my N1.
Must say I wasnt sure coming from a Desire on having 3 buttons and 2 of those being touch...
But i love it and can't get use to using my Desire S now!... love having the 3 buttons with the proper buttom as the home
I think it's a smart decision to have at least one hw key. I hate having to stretch finger all the way to power button to unlock my phone. I personally prefer all hw keys like Xperia's.
Hope expansys ships my today's order in time for weekend
I love having 1 hardware button and 2 soft keys (I'm glad there is no search button, I hate it).
The hardware buttons on my old Desire is what sold it to me over the Nexus. I love the big button that's easy to find in the dark.
I do miss the search button but Samsung have got around that wherein if you hold down menu the search box comes up in apparently that require one.
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I want call and end buttons. BUT
Touch buttons are way easier to use and navigate with while tapping.
Compromise would be really easy to push shallow buttons. Really easy to push. But not too easy.
I like to END my calls with a nice firm push.
I wish it had more hardware buttons!
I personally really hate the lack of an 'end call' hardware button. If you ring someone by accident and the phone crashes and your left on the phone to somone you dont want to be, and your fiddling about trying to pull the battery! Theres loads more examples of needing a hardware 'end call' button. I miss it