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Nexus One first week sales = weak.((20k))

http://www.pcworld.com/article/1867...irst_week_of_sales_were_weak_report_says.html
Thats a ton of complaints coming out for only 20k sales.
Not being available in T-Mo stores really hurt sales. I think being able to see this screen and hold it in person would move a hell of alot more units.
he Nexus One didn't benefit from such a strong marketing push like the Motorola Droid (estimated $100 million), despite Google's phone featuring so-far unique Android features. This has reflected in poor first week sales for the Nexus One, as per the table below. (Click image above to enlarge)
Instead, Google chose a soft launch for the Nexus One, selling it through their website. But the steep $500 Google is asking for the unlocked device and the mixed reviews the Nexus One received didn't help to maximize first week sales.
Flurry's report mentions that the Nexus One lacks the "wow factor" and the general perception that the device is not seen as revolutionary, but rather just evolutionary from other Android phones.
Om Malik, of GigaOm, notes that Flurry's estimated sales numbers for the Nexus One might even be a bit far fetched. He mentions Google has been giving away the Nexus One to its employees and also lent it to many members of the media for reviews, which could have bumped up Flurry's analytics.
Next to the poor first week sales figure, the Nexus One has also seen mounting complaints over the 3G connectivity of the device and the lack of developer tools for the Android 2.1 platform.
In her review of the Nexus One, my colleague Ginny Mies notes that Google's phone "isn't quite the game-changer people hoped it would be, though it certainly trumps other phones in performance, display quality, and speed." Next to pros like a dazzling OLED display, snappy performance and sleep, slim design, she marks the lack of multitouch support and the software keyboard as cons.
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I'm actually glad. I dont want the nexus one to become a fashion icon like the iPhone did.
EDIT: YOU! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE

melterx12 said:
I'm actually glad. I dont want the nexus one to become a fashion icon like the iPhone did.
EDIT: YOU! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE
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awww Fuuudgdeeee
Had to be 2 new yorkers didnt it. lol
Agree with this though. Ive been saying I hope a ton of people want it but few get it. That way Google is pressed to resolve there customer service and HW issues and early adopters dont look like bandwagon jumpers for the latest fashion device.
On the flip side... I hope Google doesnt turn around and blame Tmobile. Tmo and Google have been continually bringing out Android sets I hope that relationship doesnt sour because of this.

Actually 20k in sales for a phone that has reportedly had the vast majority of users buy the unlocked version is pretty damn good (Leo Laporte mentioned it on TWiT on Sunday)
melterx12 said:
I'm actually glad. I dont want the nexus one to become a fashion icon like the iPhone did.
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As much as I give credit to Apple for what they've done with the iPhone, the iPhone has become the "razr" of phones.....the "Wal-Mart" of phones....

The bad press on this phone is silly. It takes nothing into consideration, bends around the truth, and just sounds misinformed. This phone had a soft launch, wasn't available in stores, no television ads, and wasn't really advertised by Google until the day of it's launch.
These soft launches make an impact. Word will spread and then it will pop up and explode on Verizon. I'm not even trying to defend the device, it just makes me angry seeing so much misinformed crap popping up on the web.
"But the steep $500 Google is asking for the unlocked device and the mixed reviews the Nexus One received didn't help to maximize first week sales."
Mixed reviews meaning angry fanboys? I don't get it. The thing runs Android really well, is fast as hell, looks great, has a good camera, etc. I have no idea what people were expecting. Android has been out, and this was stated to be an Android device.

mark925 said:
As much as I give credit to Apple for what they've done with the iPhone, the iPhone has become the "razr" of phones.....the "Wal-Mart" of phones....
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+1
everybody and their dog has an iphone. i'd rather have something few others do

To be honest, and trying to be unbiased, I think these numbers are ok for Google. Here's why I say that... given the marketing channel used here (online only sales and advertising), I suspect that Google is banking on a moderate rate of sales early on, with an increase a little later. Most people like to see and touch something prior to dropping hundreds of dollars on it. I think Google is counting on the early adopters to buy the phones, and then once we have them and others start seeing and playing with them, they will start buying. In theory, this should work the same as if the N1 would have been sold in stores, except the initial sales would be lighter and the rate of sales would be steeper after the first few weeks.

My proverbial 2 cents...
#1. It's hard for someone to drop that much cash on a phone unseen. Like others have pointed out, it's hard to sell a mobile phone without being able to "touch" it and play with it at a retail store.
#2. The N1 is one of the first handsets relatively available for purchase which has the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor. I honestly think the "hacking" community for the N1 will be similar of what the G1 (HTC Dream) has seen... In other words, the HTC Passion is basically the next great hacking platform as the HTC Dream experienced.
Cheers,
Kermee

So essentially 1 in 150,000 Americans (ROUGHLY, only considering domestic sales) are packin the N1 - Sounds like a pretty elite/exclusive group if you ask me

booloobunny said:
..."But the steep $500 Google is asking for the unlocked device and the mixed reviews the Nexus One received didn't help to maximize first week sales."
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Also, to add onto this...I don't think the price is steep at all. In fact it is cheaper than many other unlocked devices with lesser hardware. Also, it has been pointed out in many places that getting the unlocked version is cheaper than going with the subsidized version and mandatory plan.

When a phone can be purchased only from one location and one URL only gadget freaks like us know about it's existence. Some of my friends who think they are gadget freaks were shocked to see my phone over the weekend. They didn't even know about it yet. Forget the common man. Unless, the phone is sold in T-mobile, and B&M stores, it will be hard to sell like Driod.
Except for lousy T-mobile 3G inside buildings, I love this phone. But I am seriously thinking about returning just to go back to AT&T as I would like to stay with the best GSM carrier who gets most unlocked 3G phones so I can keep changing my phones every few months.

uansari1 said:
To be honest, and trying to be unbiased, I think these numbers are ok for Google. Here's why I say that... given the marketing channel used here (online only sales and advertising), I suspect that Google is banking on a moderate rate of sales early on, with an increase a little later. Most people like to see and touch something prior to dropping hundreds of dollars on it. I think Google is counting on the early adopters to buy the phones, and then once we have them and others start seeing and playing with them, they will start buying. In theory, this should work the same as if the N1 would have been sold in stores, except the initial sales would be lighter and the rate of sales would be steeper after the first few weeks.
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I agree. This seems similar to Gmail when it was in Beta....and Gvoice. Only certain people had it and it was invite only. This seems to make a launch more manageable (less volume) and the inital adopters are the ones who typically want it the most and spread the word to others for free.

I want one... I just don't want to pay $530 to be a beta tester. I think once the 3g issues are solved we'll see alot more people pay for the phone

once Verizon and vodaphone get this phone. Sales will SKY rocket.

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The only way for a big change in sales would be to sell the Nexus One in stores, mainstream buyers are not going to spend premium money on a handset that they can not handle first.
There are not enough early adopters and tech heads like most of us on this site to make a major impact on sales. Plus many of us are holding off to see how the 3G issue gets handled before buying.

since they didnt really air commercial for the phone and it is only available online. the numbers are pretty good.

melterx12 said:
The HARDWARE to produce the Nexus One costs $175$. This price does NOT include licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
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Yeah... Putting the parts together... probably costs more than the parts themselves, including labor.
Sure, I could get the "parts" for my car too for less than a quarter of what it sells for... I wouldn't want to try to assemble it though!
Cheers,
Kermee

melterx12 said:
The HARDWARE to produce the Nexus One costs $175$. This price does NOT include licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
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...not to mention R&D

I still have people ask me when its coming out when I show them mine, this phone is still very "underground"

melterx12 said:
The HARDWARE to produce the Nexus One costs $175$. This price does NOT include licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
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Can you send me a link to where you found out the hardware only cost $175 for the nexus one. I would like to see how much the snapdragon proc costs, and the 512mb of ram, and all the other components in the phone, and just the cost of putting it together.
And I am not referring to licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
Just the hardware and the costs to put the phone together. I call bull**** on the $175 dollars.
That is how much it might cost to put together the iphone 3gs with much cheaper hardware. But the Nexus One hardware is another story.

What's all the freaking fuss about? - Xoom Pricing

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Hello All,
I've been taking look at the threads here and frankly, there is way too much whining and complaining about pricing on the Xoom, and how Moto is now losing customers, and how they have ruined the product launch, blah blah blah.
The 32 GB WiFi + 3G iPad is $729 retail. Xoom is set at $799 - what do you get for an extra seventy bucks? Android HC, VZ network, Tegra 2, the ability to drop an SD card in there for loads more storage, and so on. Is that really so unreasonable? Apple has sold millions of iPads at that price point.
And so what if a new iPad (with new, even more 'magical' properties) will be released this summer, dropping the price of the first one...it's still an Apple device, meaning it runs a locked-down OS. If you love Apple and their designs, hey, more power to you, I'm not here to flame your choice. For me: no thanks.
Some have said that they have a rig at home that cost around 800 bucks and it does so much more than a tablet, so the cost for the Xoom is unjustified. Perhaps...but can you take that rig with you everywhere you go? Portability is a premium, so that comparison is an epic fail - it's apples and oranges. "Hey, my bicycle is better than your treadmill!" - huh, really?
And sure, there's a markup because it's new and it's a first, but that is true for every other new piece of tech. The first iPhone adopters paid $600 for their phones! Have we forgotten that little tidbit?
I will admit, it is disappointing that leaks indicate that the Xoom will not receive subsidized pricing through VZ (though I'd like to remind folks that, as far as I have seen, there has yet to be any official word from Big Red on that).
But seriously...if you are disappointed because the price point places this device out of your reach, too bad so sad, go flash another ROM or something, and don't fill these forums with pages of complaints. I'm definitely looking forward to the days after this device is released, so that actual Xoom users can post their reviews, questions, advice, tips, workarounds, and solutions.
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[FLAMING] ...no doubt it's coming.

i agree.
although I think that the attitude would be a lot different if we were all used to the non-US way of buying cellular devices.
the price is not so much an issue to me considering the hardware. I am not saying I don't have sticker shock, but the price is not the determining factor for me. if the device does everything i need it to then i will buy it. if it lacks something I need, I won't buy it.

khov07 said:
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Hello All,
I've been taking look at the threads here and frankly, there is way too much whining and complaining about pricing on the Xoom, and how Moto is now losing customers, and how they have ruined the product launch, blah blah blah.
The 32 GB WiFi + 3G iPad is $729 retail. Xoom is set at $799 - what do you get for an extra seventy bucks? Android HC, VZ network, Tegra 2, the ability to drop an SD card in there for loads more storage, and so on. Is that really so unreasonable? Apple has sold millions of iPads at that price point.
And so what if a new iPad (with new, even more 'magical' properties) will be released this summer, dropping the price of the first one...it's still an Apple device, meaning it runs a locked-down OS. If you love Apple and their designs, hey, more power to you, I'm not here to flame your choice. For me: no thanks.
Some have said that they have a rig at home that cost around 800 bucks and it does so much more than a tablet, so the cost for the Xoom is unjustified. Perhaps...but can you take that rig with you everywhere you go? Portability is a premium, so that comparison is an epic fail - it's apples and oranges. "Hey, my bicycle is better than your treadmill!" - huh, really?
And sure, there's a markup because it's new and it's a first, but that is true for every other new piece of tech. The first iPhone adopters paid $600 for their phones! Have we forgotten that little tidbit?
I will admit, it is disappointing that leaks indicate that the Xoom will not receive subsidized pricing through VZ (though I'd like to remind folks that, as far as I have seen, there has yet to be any official word from Big Red on that).
But seriously...if you are disappointed because the price point places this device out of your reach, too bad so sad, go flash another ROM or something, and don't fill these forums with pages of complaints. I'm definitely looking forward to the days after this device is released, so that actual Xoom users can post their reviews, questions, advice, tips, workarounds, and solutions.
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[FLAMING] ...no doubt it's coming.
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Most are more pissed about the forced carrier activation. You add that on top of the price it truly becomes unreasonable. I was willing to pay the 800 although it would hurt but I understand. But if they force me to get something I don't want then its a no go. That's the majority of the issues.

The fuss is about being almost one hundred (!!!!) dollars more than the market leader that basically created the market.
Ignoring the ipad 2 is absolutely idiotic. Its unreleased just like the xoom. The ipad 2 will be much closer in terms of specs at the same price points as now.
The fuss is over the xoom just flat out being overpriced. Sorry, Moto is 0/2 this year so far. Lots of people let down by the atrix and xoom pricing. Just look at their Facebook or twitter. Its not an accident.

I agree with the OP for the most part.
I also agree with the second post.
I should be able to walk into a non carrier store and purchase the device without paying 20-55 extra bucks to activate it.
That said, I think the ad being spread around was either a pre print mockup or a hoax.
It has spelling mistakes so it can't be the final print version or they'll look like morons - easily fixed before print of course, we'll see.
800 for a choice piece of kit? I'll probably bite but I will wait a few days for the reviews and teardowns to happen, to make sure this is indeed the geek gadget I have been waiting for.

I think it's that there isn't a "middle ground." Sure, it's the same as a 32GB 3G iPad, but at least with the iPad you had the option of a 16GB WiFi-Only iPad, here there isn't an option, take it or leave it. I think that's the main issue. The iPad was available to different levels of consumer spending, the Xoom isn't. You just don't have the option, it's top of the line or nothing, and that's the issue.
Plus, $799 is misleading if the fine print is true. To activate WiFi you need at least a month of a data plan. So tack on $35 activation and $20 for a month of slow-ass service, and it's another $55. Plus, whatever it takes you as far as time to cancel the plan, you know Verizon isn't going to just make it a quick 30 second phone call to cancel the monthly service.
Honestly, just this data plan to enable WiFi is enough to make me say no. What the hell good is a tablet with zero internet connection. They should have given 1 month free service, not this additional $55 crap.
So yeah, true price is $855 for a tablet.
Another issue I have is the MOtorola Cliq. For a year they said they would update the OS, and it was in testing, and this and that, and then last week...Nothing. They canceled the update and gave a big "screw you" to their customers. That kind of attitude isn't really a company I wish to support. In 6 months from now, when they anounce the Xoom 2 and Honeycomb 3.5, will the Xoom get an update or will we be left high and dry? The companies track record leaves much to be desired.
I just have a feeling Xoom customers are going to get shafted by Motorola, and this WiFi data thing is just the beginning. It's making me very hesitant to pick up a Xoom.
You know that feeling you get when you're about to do something really stupid and at the moment you do it a loud "OH $HIT, BAD IDEA" resounds in your head? I get that feeling when I consider buying a Xoom.

well, I'm not too worried about the price. I doubt the price will be $800 anyway. When the ipad was announced everyone was speculating on the price between 800 - 1200, and it ended up not even being close.
I am an avid stock trader, and keep my ear to the street... Wall Street that is! I took a gander at Motorola Mobility (MMI) and their stock is down a little over 3% today on that pricing fear, so it isn't only people in our community that thinks it's a little high.
But like I said, I'm not worried about it costing $800, because in their Q4 earnings conference call they hinted at the price of the Xoom should be $700. Either way I'm getting this bad boy.
They are also releasing several different tablets this year ranging from 7inch to 11 inch, along with wifi only models.
Here is the article I was paraphrasing.
http://www.trefis.com/articles/3836...-up-20-of-motorola-mobilitys-value/2011-02-07
Hopefully this helps get the word out about pricing.

Comparing anything to an apple product doesn't make sense. Apple products are over priced, over hyped and meant for the non tech-savvy/sheep. /rant
I'll only consider the xoom if there are custom roms for it, and also at a lower price as the OS is free.
Dual core laptops have been under $400 for years now.

britoso said:
Comparing anything to an apple product doesn't make sense. Apple products are over priced, over hyped and meant for the non tech-savvy/sheep.
I'll only consider the xoom if there are custom roms for it, and also at a lower price as the OS is free.
Dual core laptops have been under $400 for years now.
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well, overpriced apple products seem to be cheaper than the xoom according to the Best Buy ad...
I do agree that custom ROMs will be awesome, but for me not the deciding factor. I just really like the new OS, and if I like it, then other people will too. I'm not too picky.
I think the deciding factor will be either the bootloader, or if I cannot activate it where I am currently. (I'm deployed to Iraq, and no VZW cell towers lol)

Sirchuk said:
I think it's that there isn't a "middle ground." Sure, it's the same as a 32GB 3G iPad, but at least with the iPad you had the option of a 16GB WiFi-Only iPad, here there isn't an option, take it or leave it. I think that's the main issue. The iPad was available to different levels of consumer spending, the Xoom isn't. You just don't have the option, it's top of the line or nothing, and that's the issue.
Plus, $799 is misleading if the fine print is true. To activate WiFi you need at least a month of a data plan. So tack on $35 activation and $20 for a month of slow-ass service, and it's another $55. Plus, whatever it takes you as far as time to cancel the plan, you know Verizon isn't going to just make it a quick 30 second phone call to cancel the monthly service.
Honestly, just this data plan to enable WiFi is enough to make me say no. What the hell good is a tablet with zero internet connection. They should have given 1 month free service, not this additional $55 crap.
So yeah, true price is $855 for a tablet.
Another issue I have is the MOtorola Cliq. For a year they said they would update the OS, and it was in testing, and this and that, and then last week...Nothing. They canceled the update and gave a big "screw you" to their customers. That kind of attitude isn't really a company I wish to support. In 6 months from now, when they anounce the Xoom 2 and Honeycomb 3.5, will the Xoom get an update or will we be left high and dry? The companies track record leaves much to be desired.
I just have a feeling Xoom customers are going to get shafted by Motorola, and this WiFi data thing is just the beginning. It's making me very hesitant to pick up a Xoom.
You know that feeling you get when you're about to do something really stupid and at the moment you do it a loud "OH $HIT, BAD IDEA" resounds in your head? I get that feeling when I consider buying a Xoom.
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OK, so there is no wifi-only version yet, a reasonable objection. There likely will be, just like with the Galaxy Tab, so a little patience is all that's needed.
I do agree that requiring payment of at least one month of data with VZ is unreasonable for those that aren't looking for 3G data service, but again, a wifi-only version will likely be released.
Regarding the iPad 2, someone earlier said that ignoring it would be 'idiotic'. I strongly disagree - it doesn't really matter what specs/pricing/magic it will have, it's still iOS. The market leader doesn't necessarily make the best product for every potential customer, wouldn't you agree?
As I mentioned in another thread, I believe this device will be more successful in the corporate arena. For mobile workers, 3G data service is a necessity, so the lack of a wifi-only option is moot. A tablet is supremely useful for a mobile workforce, especially one with an open OS.
My only true disappointment is that it seems (so far, but once again, no official word yet) that there will be no carrier-subsidized pricing.

khov07 said:
I do agree that requiring payment of at least one month of data with VZ is unreasonable for those that aren't looking for 3G data service, but again, a wifi-only version will likely be released.
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I wonder though, can they really make the WiFi only model that much cheaper than the 3G model? I mean, if you're paying $55 to "activate" WiFi (which, this is essentially what you're doing if you aren't interested in 3G) then shouldn't the WiFi only model be the same price, $800, but with WiFi already turned on? I guess you could reduce the price a little, but it shouldn't be very much if that's the only difference.
Currently, Motorola is making people pay for a standard feature. I wonder how the disclosure will work. If it doesn't say "Monthly data plan required for WiFi access" on the package, aren't they setting themselves up for a lot of returns or a lawsuit?

csseale said:
Most are more pissed about the forced carrier activation. You add that on top of the price it truly becomes unreasonable. I was willing to pay the 800 although it would hurt but I understand. But if they force me to get something I don't want then its a no go. That's the majority of the issues.
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This.
I'm disappointed but unsurprised by the Xoom price. I've said on this and other forums that the price is comparable to the iPad, but I had still hoped that it would be a little less ($6-700).
Really though, I'm more annoyed by the Verizon nastiness than anything else. Forced activation? I also think that their cost/gigabyte is way too high.
I'm still excited for the Xoom, but I'm no longer planning on being a day-one purchaser. Instead I'll wait to see how the G-Slate and T-Mo's data pricing compares.

I just read this in the Engadget comments:
Igor Kovalenko 43 minutes ago
I work for MOTO and I have no idea what is this about.
My best guess is that this actually refers to the WiFi Hotspot feature - turning that on does actually require "entitlement check" with a carrier. But there is no SW provision (known to me anyway) to somehow block turning on simple WiFi. The initial setup does not require Verizon activation either - you can "skip" and use WiFi for Google setup. At least that is the case on all preliminary SW builds I have tried so far. I don't think that will change.
If Verizon and/or BestBuy have invented something like this, then the best they can do is simply not sell it to you without Verizon account.

Some guy that claims to be a Moto tester over on the engdaget thread about this says it's probably talking about the wifi hotspot functionality which would cost 20$ plus the activation fee.
According to him he's seen nothing in the builds that would prevent basic wifi from working.
Hearsay of course, but it sounds logical.

First of all, I disagree with the original poster's comments about people complaining too much. I think people should complain if they think products are overpriced. Although this might not change Moto's price strategy in the short term, I'm sure the sale figures will eventually reflect the public's discontent. This will make companies like LG, HPalm, etc reconsider their future tablet prices.
Honestly, I don't mind the complaining at all because it lets me know who is going to buy and not going to buy. I, at this point am not planning to buy, feel better that there are others like me that can't afford it. Actually it's not about the price (i actually can afford it); because honestly what's the difference between 700 and 800? I think it's all about value. People want to get a device that they can justify getting.
I think others complaining about the pricing is just as valid as the original poster's complaint about Verizon charging initial service fees. It's all cheap shots that ultimately will work only for dedicated Android developers, rich people, and people who can't take the pressure.
Now I gotta go to class. I'm Late!

asianxtreme said:
First of all, I disagree with the original poster's comments about people complaining too much. I think people should complain if they think products are overpriced. Although this might not change Moto's price strategy in the short term, I'm sure the sale figures will eventually reflect the public's discontent. This will make companies like LG, HPalm, etc reconsider their future tablet prices.
Honestly, I don't mind the complaining at all because it lets me know who is going to buy and not going to buy. I, at this point am not planning to buy, feel better that there are others like me that can't afford it. Actually it's not about the price (i actually can afford it); because honestly what's the difference between 700 and 800? I think it's all about value. People want to get a device that they can justify getting.
I think others complaining about the pricing is just as valid as the original poster's complaint about Verizon charging initial service fees. It's all cheap shots that ultimately will work only for dedicated Android developers, rich people, and people who can't take the pressure.
Now I gotta go to class. I'm Late!
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Far be it from me to restrict anyone's 1st amendment rights, but shouldn't complaints about product pricing be fielded in the right forum? A tech forum geared toward the development community filled with pages of complaints about pricing seems like wasted space.
How about a discussion here on XDA regarding, you know, the actual technology at hand?
I look forward to getting the device in my hands and discussing issues like performance, battery life, the Honeycomb UI, features, glitches, Exchange synchronization, and all the great things XDA is known for.

khov07 said:
Far be it from me to restrict anyone's 1st amendment rights, but shouldn't complaints about product pricing be fielded in the right forum? A tech forum geared toward the development community filled with pages of complaints about pricing seems like wasted space.
How about a discussion here on XDA regarding, you know, the actual technology at hand?
I look forward to getting the device in my hands and discussing issues like performance, battery life, the Honeycomb UI, features, glitches, Exchange synchronization, and all the great things XDA is known for.
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Which would be the right forum? The forum description says: "Discussion about the Motorola Xoom tablet (general Q&A, tips & tricks, etc)". Seems like this is the perfect place for this sort of talk.

Xevilious said:
Which would be the right forum? The forum description says: "Discussion about the Motorola Xoom tablet (general Q&A, tips & tricks, etc)". Seems like this is the perfect place for this sort of talk.
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exactly what I was going to say^^^.
There isn't a forum for "ranting" and there isn't even one for you for "ranting about ranting (but still really ranting)" lol.
Also, the right forum for you to discuss the specs and such should be development.

No, judging from other devices.. development is for things such as ROMs, and kernels. Not specification discussion. That would also go in General. Anything referencing the Xoom in a general sense (may that be discussing it's specs, bashing it's prices, etc. would go in General.
I think.
If you look over to the Nexus One General section, you'd see they actually discuss tablets and whatever else there. Without the threads being deleted. "General" seems really for you to discuss Android with people who own the same device as you.

asianxtreme said:
exactly what I was going to say^^^.
There isn't a forum for "ranting" and there isn't even one for you for "ranting about ranting (but still really ranting)" lol.
Also, the right forum for you to discuss the specs and such should be development.
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LOL - thanks for the lecture and the laughs, noobs. When you have contributed to the community, let us know.
Back to the subject at hand...
This looks to be a great piece of hardware that may or may not be priced well. In three weeks we should know whether or not it lives up to the hype, and VZ gives you 30 days anyway to try it out (corporate customers anyway).
The G-Slate really doesn't seem to thrill me much. The 3D thing is pretty gimmicky, and is sure to carry a price premium of its own, for a very limited use.

Negative posting on the Atrix and ATT&T!!!!

All you guys that are posting all the negative stuff here about AT&T and the Atrix....... Get a life..... If you don't want the Atrix then don't get it! If you don't like AT&T then don't get the Atrix! There are TONS of great android phones out there from every wireless carrier.
Seriously you are guys are just too much! No one is FORCING you to buy the phone or have AT&T if you don't want to this is controlled by your choices.
Give it a rest...I have 3 lines on AT&T and one on Sprint. I never have a problem with either one...... Every carrier charges a premium for there high end phones and 4G ALL of them do!

and by posting this you start a flame war. was it really necessary?

Also, you misspelled AT&T in the title.
I don't think a post of this type is necessary; while I agree 100%, I doubt that this thread will stop any of the activity that it is meant to.

johnnydeathmatch said:
Also, you misspelled AT&T in the title.
I don't think a post of this type is necessary; while I agree 100%, I doubt that this thread will stop any of the activity that it is meant to.
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Lol...yes I did misspell AT&T in the title.....
I just was frustrated with all the troll postings about this phone. People come to learn about this phone. Not have to wade through all the negative postings about AT&T and the new phone. Its almost as if by design they are trying to discourage interest in the Atrix.....

Sorry, nothing wrong with voicing disappointment. You can continue to spend tons of money on overpriced stuff if you want. The rest of us will give them feedback and hope they learn.

eallan said:
Sorry, nothing wrong with voicing disappointment. You can continue to spend tons of money on overpriced stuff if you want. The rest of us will give them feedback and hope they learn.
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i agree with you about constructive feedback. But none of the posters have even seen the phone yet. Its not available for demo in the stores until the 13th. So how can they be so negative about it? Has anyone seen it yet? Does anyone have service with the phone that can tell us exactly what the charges and plan looks like? I will wait until I can actually see the phone and talk to an at&t rep and get more info.....

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Sorry, nothing wrong with voicing disappointment. You can continue to spend tons of money on overpriced stuff if you want. The rest of us will give them feedback and hope they learn.
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I suppose, although I'm not sure how anything posted here has been useful or a benefit to anyone in any way whatsoever.
I'm not sure how it's tons of money on overpriced stuff. Besides the obvious fact that value is subjective, which means that something may not be worth even $200 to you, but may be worth $300 to me.
Aside from that, top of the line phones cost around $200 these days. At least third party retailers are allowed to discount Android phones, unlike iPhones. I paid $150 for my Captivate last year at BB (it was still $200 @ AT&T), and I'll be paying $150 for the Atrix (or $200 if the Costco/BB leaks weren't true, which IMHO they are). Not sure how the Atrix is overpriced.
If you are referring to the laptop dock, then personally I would have to agree with you regarding its price. However, that is an accessory. Accessories are always overpriced. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I suspect most people won't, and I suspect it will drop in price pretty quickly. It is the first device of its kind, so if you buy it you are being an early adopter, and it costs a lot to be an early adopter. That's just life. Wait a few months, perhaps there will be third party solutions, or the price will have dropped to something that you can afford. No use crying over spilled milk.
Honestly, it doesn't seem like it would be too hard to build something like the laptop dock. Have a base that holds a bluetooth keyboard and a docking slot for the Atrix where you want your trackpad to be, attach one of those PS LCDs to the top and throw in some batteries. I'm sure it could be done for a couple of hundred bucks. Less, if you're creative.

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I suppose, although I'm not sure how anything posted here has been useful or a benefit to anyone in any way whatsoever.
I'm not sure how it's tons of money on overpriced stuff. Besides the obvious fact that value is subjective, which means that something may not be worth even $200 to you, but may be worth $300 to me.
Aside from that, top of the line phones cost around $200 these days. At least third party retailers are allowed to discount Android phones, unlike iPhones. I paid $150 for my Captivate last year at BB (it was still $200 @ AT&T), and I'll be paying $150 for the Atrix (or $200 if the Costco/BB leaks weren't true, which IMHO they are). Not sure how the Atrix is overpriced.
If you are referring to the laptop dock, then personally I would have to agree with you regarding its price. However, that is an accessory. Accessories are always overpriced. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I suspect most people won't, and I suspect it will drop in price pretty quickly. It is the first device of its kind, so if you buy it you are being an early adopter, and it costs a lot to be an early adopter. That's just life. Wait a few months, perhaps there will be third party solutions, or the price will have dropped to something that you can afford. No use crying over spilled milk.
Honestly, it doesn't seem like it would be too hard to build something like the laptop dock. Have a base that holds a bluetooth keyboard and a docking slot for the Atrix where you want your trackpad to be, attach one of those PS LCDs to the top and throw in some batteries. I'm sure it could be done for a couple of hundred bucks. Less, if you're creative.
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$200 for the phone is fine. It's a standard that seems to hold.
The trackpad and the tethering plan are the ridiculous greedy practices no one should support. Subjectivity of value or not, an extra $20 a month to use that data you already pay for in a cradle is asinine.

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i agree with you about constructive feedback. But none of the posters have even seen the phone yet. Its not available for demo in the stores until the 13th. So how can they be so negative about it? Has anyone seen it yet? Does anyone have service with the phone that can tell us exactly what the charges and plan looks like? I will wait until I can actually see the phone and talk to an at&t rep and get more info.....
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Well you don't need to hold the device to know about the tethering rip off. Or double a netbook price for a screen, battery, and keyboard.
The phone itself isn't garnering much $ complaints as far as I've seen.

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$200 for the phone is fine. It's a standard that seems to hold.
The trackpad and the tethering plan are the ridiculous greedy practices no one should support. Subjectivity of value or not, an extra $20 a month to use that data you already pay for in a cradle is asinine.
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So don't support them if you don't want it. I don't see how complaining about it on XDA is helping anyone, though.
All the comparisons that people are drawing here, comparing the dock to a netbook (e.g., why not just get a netbook) are missing the point: it is most definitely not a netbook. If it was, it would be priced like a netbook. It is different than a netbook, different functionality, although they do serve a similar purpose. Lots of people buy Macs (not me ), despite the fact that they cost more than an equivalent PC would. For some of us, not everything is about what the cheapest alternative is.
This is a completely new category of product, and being the first person to own it will cost a lot, similar to the original iPhone.
The tethering plan isn't required if you buy the dock separately, and even if you buy them together, you can just cancel tethering. There's nothing to stop you.
If it turns out that the laptop dock (or any other dock, or use of the webtop environment), has some feature to alert AT&T of your usage without a tethering plan or block you from using it without a tethering plan, then I would agree. However, nobody has shown that to be the case at this point. My guess would be that the security measure would be defeated to allow this without paying for tethering within a few days.

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So don't support them if you don't want it. I don't see how complaining about it on XDA is helping anyone, though.
All the comparisons that people are drawing here, comparing the dock to a netbook (e.g., why not just get a netbook) are missing the point: it is most definitely not a netbook. If it was, it would be priced like a netbook. It is different than a netbook, different functionality, although they do serve a similar purpose. Lots of people buy Macs (not me ), despite the fact that they cost more than an equivalent PC would. For some of us, not everything is about what the cheapest alternative is.
This is a completely new category of product, and being the first person to own it will cost a lot, similar to the original iPhone.
The tethering plan isn't required if you buy the dock separately, and even if you buy them together, you can just cancel tethering. There's nothing to stop you.
If it turns out that the laptop dock (or any other dock, or use of the webtop environment), has some feature to alert AT&T of your usage without a tethering plan or block you from using it without a tethering plan, then I would agree. However, nobody has shown that to be the case at this point. My guess would be that the security measure would be defeated to allow this without paying for tethering within a few days.
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Don't want to lose my unlimited. And bad publicity is only a good thing or the consumer. I guess I don't understand defending those trying to milk you for tons of $$. I'd rather have a good deal on these things than defend a high price.

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Don't want to lose my unlimited. And bad publicity is only a good thing or the consumer. I guess I don't understand defending those trying to milk you for tons of $$. I'd rather have a good deal on these things than defend a high price.
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I don't know anyone who wouldn't rather have a good deal. I'd love it if the dock came for free with the phone, along with a free keg and some strippers. But, unfortunately, we live in reality where stuff costs money and companies have to make money to keep coming out with cool products like the Atrix. If Motorola wants to charge $500 for the dock, then more power to them. I'm happy for it, and you know why? Because they invented the damn thing! Do you see any other phones with laptop docks? No.
Will I buy it for $500? No, because to me $500 is better than that dock. If the dock drops to $50, will I buy it? As long as its hackable. But if Motorola left it to you or me to decide what we wanted to pay for their stuff, they wouldn't ever make a profit. Then they couldn't make things like this any more. Do all the parts and pieces in the dock come to a total of $500? Definitely not, otherwise they wouldn't be able to make any money off of it, and therefore wouldn't make it in the first place. Does it bother you how much higher the retail price is than what the parts cost is? Then why don't you build something better for less.
Why is it that if Motorola spends millions of dollars on R&D, they shouldn't be able to make a profit off of that work and investment? If they can't do that, then why would they bother to create things like the Atrix & dock in the first place? Would you work for 6 months or a year for free so that you could sell a laptop dock for a phone at cost? Nope. So stop whining.
How does bad publicity automatically equal good for the consumer? That's probably one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on this forum. 60 Minutes gave lots of bad publicity to Audi for unintended acceleration which turned out to be fake, how was that good for consumers? Or anyone outside of 60 Minutes? It hurt consumers, because Audi was almost killed off as a brand in the US, which would have offered fewer choices, and it influenced consumer buying decisions away from a product which may have been superior to the choice they ultimately made due to bad information.

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I don't know anyone who wouldn't rather have a good deal. I'd love it if the dock came for free with the phone, along with a free keg and some strippers. But, unfortunately, we live in reality where stuff costs money and companies have to make money to keep coming out with cool products like the Atrix. If Motorola wants to charge $500 for the dock, then more power to them. I'm happy for it, and you know why? Because they invented the damn thing! Do you see any other phones with laptop docks? No.
Will I buy it for $500? No, because to me $500 is better than that dock. If the dock drops to $50, will I buy it? As long as its hackable. But if Motorola left it to you or me to decide what we wanted to pay for their stuff, they wouldn't ever make a profit. Then they couldn't make things like this any more. Do all the parts and pieces in the dock come to a total of $500? Definitely not, otherwise they wouldn't be able to make any money off of it, and therefore wouldn't make it in the first place. Does it bother you how much higher the retail price is than what the parts cost is? Then why don't you build something better for less.
Why is it that if Motorola spends millions of dollars on R&D, they shouldn't be able to make a profit off of that work and investment? If they can't do that, then why would they bother to create things like the Atrix & dock in the first place? Would you work for 6 months or a year for free so that you could sell a laptop dock for a phone at cost? Nope. So stop whining.
How does bad publicity automatically equal good for the consumer? That's probably one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on this forum. 60 Minutes gave lots of bad publicity to Audi for unintended acceleration which turned out to be fake, how was that good for consumers? Or anyone outside of 60 Minutes? It hurt consumers, because Audi was almost killed off as a brand in the US, which would have offered fewer choices, and it influenced consumer buying decisions away from a product which may have been superior to the choice they ultimately made due to bad information.
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Feedback is invaluable. Good or bad. If most consumers think something is a terrible value, then the company ought to know, period.
Nobody said anything about profit. Of course we understand that. Should a Honda civic cost 12 million dollars because someone else didn't do the r&d and make it?
Continue to defend obvious ridiculous pricing. I will do the opposite. Thanks.

It seems as though all those that continuously beet down the Atrix secretly like it, because if I don't like something I move on. Why some need to be negative over and over and over with every post is beyond me.

jamezr said:
all you guys that are posting all the negative stuff here about at&t and the atrix....... Get a life..... If you don't want the atrix then don't get it! If you don't like at&t then don't get the atrix! There are tons of great android phones out there from every wireless carrier.
Seriously you are guys are just too much! No one is forcing you to buy the phone or have at&t if you don't want to this is controlled by your choices.
Give it a rest...i have 3 lines on at&t and one on sprint. I never have a problem with either one...... Every carrier charges a premium for there high end phones and 4g all of them do!
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then what the hell is this forum for? Why are we all here? This is part of it.

eallan said:
Feedback is invaluable. Good or bad. If most consumers think something is a terrible value, then the company ought to know, period.
Nobody said anything about profit. Of course we understand that. Should a Honda civic cost 12 million dollars because someone else didn't do the r&d and make it?
Continue to defend obvious ridiculous pricing. I will do the opposite. Thanks.
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You are right feedback is invaluable to companies and existing and potential consumers. Now how can you give feedback for something you have NEVER used?
Do you have a bill showing us how overcharged you have been from AT&T? Can you show us how much a rip off the data plan is for this phone? Can you show us you invaluable feedback on the phone and difference the bill was on your existing FamilyTalk plan you have with AT&T? So how valuable is your feedback considering you have never used the phone and cannot say what the billing impact was to your new or existing wireless bill/plan?????
You can't do any of those so what value can you criticism be????

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then what the hell is this forum for? Why are we all here? This is part of it.
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You have a point,,,we are all here to discuss and exchange info on the new phone and everything involved or about it. But it just seems like most of what I have been seeing was so negative. Thing is no one knows yet. No one has a bill saying this is what it was before and this what it is now....There just seemed to be a lot posters trolling with negative posts when no one knows yet. I want to discuss the phone and its new technical aspects and the carrier but not have to wade through all the blatant negativity.....

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Nobody said anything about profit. Of course we understand that. Should a Honda civic [sic] cost 12 million dollars [sic] because someone else didn't do the r&d [sic] and make it?
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The Honda Civic isn't the world's first car. Guess what, even if the Civic cost $12 million, it isn't up to you what it costs. If you don't like it, you are free to start your own company and build your own car. Failing that, you can shop elsewhere. Trolling the Honda Civic forums is probably not the best idea you could come up with, however. Perhaps you could visit the forum of a car that you do own, or a car that you can afford to buy when it comes out.
Continue to defend obvious ridiculous pricing. I will do the opposite. Thanks [sic].
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The pricing is what it is. If you can't afford it, get a better job so that you can. Anyone can find out the price of the Atrix and its accessories, and you calling their pricing 'ridiculous' doesn't help anyone here. Everyone can make up their own mind about the pricing, and decide for themselves whether or not they would like to buy the phone and/or its accessories.

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You are right feedback is invaluable to companies and existing and potential consumers. Now how can you give feedback for something you have NEVER used?
Do you have a bill showing us how overcharged you have been from AT&T? Can you show us how much a rip off the data plan is for this phone? Can you show us you invaluable feedback on the phone and difference the bill was on your existing FamilyTalk plan you have with AT&T? So how valuable is your feedback considering you have never used the phone and cannot say what the billing impact was to your new or existing wireless bill/plan?????
You can't do any of those so what value can you criticism be????
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Customer perception of value can only occur if I have had personal hands on time with the device? Like the build quality of the keyboard will suddenly make it worth 500 bucks? Get out of here.
I don't get to set the atrix accessories price, or the honda civic. However, as a consumer interested in these product I can damn sure state my dissatisfaction with their current price points on some items. I can actually do it all day long, without starting my own cell phone company.
You don't know what I do, how much I charge or anything. Just because my expertise lies elsewhere doesn't mean I don't have the right to tell a company or a forum of users how I (I'm also not alone, all the press has ripped them for the dock pricing) feel.
I'll continue to state my opinions, you do the same. Trust me, I don't need a better job. Thanks though!

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Customer perception of value can only occur if I have had personal hands on time with the device? Like the build quality of the keyboard will suddenly make it worth 500 bucks? Get out of here.
I don't get to set the atrix accessories price, or the honda civic. However, as a consumer interested in these product I can damn sure state my dissatisfaction with their current price points on some items. I can actually do it all day long, without starting my own cell phone company.
You don't know what I do, how much I charge or anything. Just because my expertise lies elsewhere doesn't mean I don't have the right to tell a company or a forum of users how I (I'm also not alone, all the press has ripped them for the dock pricing) feel.
I'll continue to state my opinions, you do the same. Trust me, I don't need a better job. Thanks though!
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You're welcome!

Let motorola know this!

http://www.facebook.com/motorola?sk=wall&filter=1
http://twitter.com/#!/Motorola
Go there and bomb the wall, and tweet their lights out
They need to release the dam wifi version, or announce it THIS WEEK, at no more then 499$
We all just saw the ipad 2 (march 11, 499$)
Not sure if moto just wants to throw away thier sales
but let them know about it, pressure is good
As the saying is right now, if they dont act, apples gonna make more money on smartcovers then moto is on xooms

I don't know. 550 maybe but not 500.
- Full FLash
- 1280 x 800 screen
- SD Card
- USB Hosting
- 1G RAM
Even if iPad is a better selling more desired product, 550 - 600 sounds right. 500 would just be to compete, but the extra specs and capabilities warrant a 550 - 600 price tag.
Unfortunately, most people don't care about the better specs. But Moto can't just give those away.

fair enough, id happily dish out 550
but they need to announce the dam thing, and get it on the shelves

Totally agree. They are losing shares and sales as we speak.

SS2006 said:
http://www.facebook.com/motorola?sk=wall&filter=1
Go there and bomb the wall,
They need to release the dam wifi version, or announce it THIS WEEK, at no more then 499$
We all just saw the ipad 2 (march 11, 499$)
Not sure if moto just wants to throw away thier sales
but let them know about it, pressure is good
http://www.facebook.com/motorola?sk=wall&filter=1
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I am sure they are aware of what is going on with their competition. They already have a UK WiFi only model about to be released and there were even leaked ads with pre-order info. They also already announced a WiFi only for US around $600 coming. We all want things now. I waited over a year to get a Honeycomb tablet and it was worth the wait. Google should have anticipated this earlier and had this out last year. I think their mistake was spending too much time and resources on ChromeOS which I have zero interest in. But here we are, the beginning of an exciting year of Android tablets and Honeycomb.

I obviously know they're aware, not sure if I came off that way
What I went is let them know the customers are demanding something or else theyll lose them for being complacent

keitht said:
I am sure they are aware of what is going on with their competition. They already have a UK WiFi only model about to be released and there were even leaked ads with pre-order info. They also already announced a WiFi only for US around $600 coming. We all want things now. I waited over a year to get a Honeycomb tablet and it was worth the wait. Google should have anticipated this earlier and had this out last year. I think their mistake was spending too much time and resources on ChromeOS which I have zero interest in. But here we are, the beginning of an exciting year of Android tablets and Honeycomb.
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The UK announcement is 499 pounds (aka 800 USD)..so thats useless
and ya we heard theres a US one around 600, but NOTHING official or no report from them, just saying, if ur gonna release a tablet ONLY to verizon for 800$..and google wants to get Gingerbread out there, why the hell not make it available to everyone.
Its a TABLET not a PHONE, why tie it with a friggin provider
Just saying iPad 2 is gonna have the edge here if they dont act

SS2006 said:
I obviously know they're aware, not sure if I came off that way
What I went is let them know the customers are demanding something or else theyll lose them for being complacent
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I am sure we will have a wifi only version of the Xoom next month. But what we really need is for some of these other companies to get their stuff out as well so their are more choices and competition. It seems like Google decided to give Motorola all the love for the first honeycomb tablet which is why we are not seeing any others release now. This may have been to fine tune the OS before making it more widely available to others, I don't know for sure. But the bottom line is, Honeycomb tablets are not going away and I suspect we will see so many by the end of the year it will be difficult to decide which to buy.

Moto CEO said the US wifi version would be $600. He sounds reliable to me...
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If they (Google + Manufacturer) want to win the tablet war, they must do drastic movement: Sell them CHEAP! As cheap as possible ...
Don't take too much profit, break even is OK, even lost!
Just take a lot of users whatever the cost is!
Then pump the apps apps and apps as much as possible.
For sure, this will win the tablet war.
About loosing money, if I remember correctly, Microsoft did not make any profit on the earlier Xbox/360. And they are now very competitive.
PRICE IS EVERYTHING for this LEVEL of device. Remember, PRICE is the key for users to buy tablet.
With less money, people can buy iPad 2 which is more or less the same "experience" to use AND has tons of very good quality of apps.
Set aside that SD Card slot (iPad has 64GB model) and OS customization. Those are nice, but for majority they are less important. They dont stare for hours in the home screen!
Come on Google, you can do it.
DatterBoy said:
I don't know. 550 maybe but not 500.
- Full FLash
- 1280 x 800 screen
- SD Card
- USB Hosting
- 1G RAM
Even if iPad is a better selling more desired product, 550 - 600 sounds right. 500 would just be to compete, but the extra specs and capabilities warrant a 550 - 600 price tag.
Unfortunately, most people don't care about the better specs. But Moto can't just give those away.
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BBruin66 said:
Moto CEO said the US wifi version would be $600. He sounds reliable to me...
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Moto CEO has said that wifi-only Xoom will be around $600. That's pretty reliable, but by no means cast in stone. Another pricing signal is the the UK pre-order peep, which was for £500, or close to $600 US once the 20% VAT is removed.
That said, iPad2 is the undisputed tablet leader, and with the Xoom's dearth of software support (and missing features, like SD slot and Flash), having a price higher than the base iPad price is a death knell, especially with other cheaper Honeycomb alternatives on tap.
Come April, I'd expect the wifi Xoom to be toeing the $500 price point, as will many of the so-called premium vendors (HTC, Samsung, et al). Other vendors like Acer & Dell, who don't have smartphone offerings to protect their pricing, will be cheaper, and with the same specs.

SS2006 said:
The UK announcement is 499 pounds (aka 800 USD)..so thats useless
and ya we heard theres a US one around 600, but NOTHING official or no report from them, just saying, if ur gonna release a tablet ONLY to verizon for 800$..and google wants to get Gingerbread out there, why the hell not make it available to everyone.
Its a TABLET not a PHONE, why tie it with a friggin provider
Just saying iPad 2 is gonna have the edge here if they dont act
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Sorry to correct you, but you can't just do a straight conversion in price from GBP to USD and call it a day. There is a VAT etc. in the UK and the prices are inflated. Take about 20%-25% off the price and you'll be more in the ballpark of what the US will pay for the WiFi version. $600USD sounds about right, $200 less than the 3G version. I would not be surprised at all (well, maybe a little) if the WiFi version also coincides with a 3G/4G price drop.
I agree with what you're saying and I don't think you're alone. Motorola will notice (or has noticed already) that they're gonna get slaughtered if they don't have a WiFi version, and dont lower the prices to be AT LEAST competitive, if not undercutting, the competition. And they gotta do it like yesterday.
I want to be positive and say that Motorola know what they're doing, but the way that they launched only the 3G version with no word on the WiFi one is just sad. My theory, which I don't think is any secret, is that Verizon has Motorola by the balls, and is trying to get as much out of the 3G version as possible before the WiFi comes out. They wanna ride the wave and the early adopters and then let the WiFi out. There is no single manufacturing reason why the WiFi model isn't ready right now. Its on their freaking product webpage ffs (along with the GSM variant I might add) lol.

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Come April, I'd expect the wifi Xoom to be toeing the $500 price point, as will many of the so-called premium vendors (HTC, Samsung, et al). Other vendors like Acer & Dell, who don't have smartphone offerings to protect their pricing, will be cheaper, and with the same specs.
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I really hope so, for Motorola's sake. That $499 price point is one that gives you way more exposure than anything. Like I said I think they're trying to ride the "first honeycomb tablet" wave until they get shafted by iPad 2 and the other 3.0 tablets coming out, then they'll play ball and maybe get some decent sales numbers.
I've said before that I'm 100% willing to hand Motorola (or Samsung/LG, for that matter) $600 right now for the WiFi version of this type of tablet, but I'm not gonna overpay for the 3G version I'm not gonna use. The $500 point just has to happen for general consumers to put it next to the iPad though.

Youre right about the price. The price isnt what concerns me. Its just the availability and lack of announcements
I agree with you, Verizon has them by the balls
And thats why you dont give your tablet to a frigin provider
Like The iPad just goes right to bestbuy, brilliance
..idiots @moto

SS2006 said:
Youre right about the price. The price isnt what concerns me. Its just the availability and lack of announcements
I agree with you, Verizon has them by the balls
And thats why you dont give your tablet to a frigin provider
Like The iPad just goes right to bestbuy, brilliance
..idiots @moto
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The one thing that Apple gets right is they don't late carriers push them around with the iPad. They sell it directly from Apple.com either the WiFi version or 3G with no strings attached and if u wanna activate later you can. No carrier BS. Not to mention that the 3G and WiFi versions go on sale the same exact day lol.
Motorola is getting blown up hard over their pricing and availability of different models/versions. I think they probably would've started selling the WiFi now if it weren't for other pressures/commitments.

DatterBoy said:
I don't know. 550 maybe but not 500.
- Full FLash
- 1280 x 800 screen
- SD Card
- USB Hosting
- 1G RAM
Even if iPad is a better selling more desired product, 550 - 600 sounds right. 500 would just be to compete, but the extra specs and capabilities warrant a 550 - 600 price tag.
Unfortunately, most people don't care about the better specs. But Moto can't just give those away.
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Add to this from what I have read GPS even in the wifi model!

Motorola just lost me. I'm returning my xoom and I'll wait for whatever WiFi options come later down the road. I won't buy Apple. Motorola needs to get their [email protected] straight. Too pricey and lack of options will be their demise. Give people what they want.
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With the 32GB iPad 2 releasing at $599 Moto has to match or beat that price. You can guarantee they will do that. $550 would be a big win for Moto and the customers.
Even at the lower price and added hardware specs the device still will not even come close to what Apple will see in sales. One thing Apple has done well and continues to do well is advertise. This unfortunately is where Moto is lacking with the Xoom. Superbowl commercial was nice and money well spent. But what have we seen since then? If you stopped 30 random people on the street and asked them what a Motorola Xoom was, maybe 15 of 30 would know. You would be hard pressed to find someone who did not know what an iPad was. Every night when I am watching the tube, I see that damn iPad commercial with the annoying piano in the background. Moto needs to take a risk and pour some funds in to advertisement. They now have a solid piece of hardware to compete with Apple. Let the rest of the world know that and get aggressive with your attack.
I don't think $550-$600 is too much to ask for this fine piece of hardware and if they want to make an attempt to keep up with the competition, Moto needs to get the WiFi only version out fast. Next Friday is coming up quick and still no word from Moto on a US release date. :/

B Dizzle said:
With the 32GB iPad 2 releasing at $599 Moto has to match or beat that price. You can guarantee they will do that. $550 would be a big win for Moto and the customers.
Even at the lower price and added hardware specs the device still will not even come close to what Apple will see in sales. One thing Apple has done well and continues to do well is advertise. This unfortunately is where Moto is lacking with the Xoom. Superbowl commercial was nice and money well spent. But what have we seen since then? If you stopped 30 random people on the street and asked them what a Motorola Xoom was, maybe 15 of 30 would know. You would be hard pressed to find someone who did not know what an iPad was. Every night when I am watching the tube, I see that damn iPad commercial with the annoying piano in the background. Moto needs to take a risk and pour some funds in to advertisement. They now have a solid piece of hardware to compete with Apple. Let the rest of the world know that and get aggressive with your attack.
I don't think $550-$600 is too much to ask for this fine piece of hardware and if they want to make an attempt to keep up with the competition, Moto needs to get the WiFi only version out fast. Next Friday is coming up quick and still no word from Moto on a US release date. :/
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In the past week I've seen a lot of xoom commercials, far more than iPad, although I'm sure my brain has tuned them out by now.
That vendetta one is on every hour.
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Samsung Galaxy tab 10.1 with 4g up for preorder at $550. Motorola let us down big...

Title says it all. Motorola went the way of exploitation and took the cheap route of superficial marketing to rush a half baked device to market at the expense of it's customers. Trying to put the final touchs on their Frankenstein creation people received their xooms unsealed and in essence unguarded. People have reported sending in their malfunctioning devices only to met with refusal because of "water damage" even though the seal on the purchase was already removed when they received it. Motorola reps at CES repeatedly said that the xoom would be upgradable to 4g soon after release, some saying 40 days, some saying 2 months, some saying whatever - all being false. SD card support has never been honored even though other tablets like the transformer with fundamentally identical specs have delivered since day one. Now Samsung is offering the same thing in thinner form factor for almost 300 dollars less - and we can only assume it will actually be WORKING also.
And if all this isn't bad enough we see that while Motorola had no problem taking large sums of money on false pretenses they simultaneously had no shame about neglecting original xoom owners and developing a second xoom in the meantime that is nothing more than a working version of what they promised the first would be. Pathetic.
They are striving hard for recognition as the biggest piece of **** company in the android game and judging by the recent reports of their stock value, it seems they are successful at something. Seriously it is not rocket science. False advertising, ****ty support (or none at all), zero accountability, no remorse or attempt for compensation or consumer confidence, equals a ****ty company that loses value in a competative market. Someone over there needs to take their heads out of their ass. A child can understand this.
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Oh my god just $550 and no contract? I wouldn't mind prepaid 4g data from verzion....

Europe has SD card support, and since it's not a GED that makes me suspect that the problem with SD card support is more of a Google issue than a Moto issue.

VaKo said:
Europe has SD card support
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Not yet, Motorola posted at Facebook that they will roll out the 3.1 Update with SD soon for EU... But what is soon? 2 weeks? 2 months?
Nobody received a update yet...

They shafted a lot of people. I have the WiFi only model so I don't apply. That sucks for everyone else though.

Does it suck? Yes. Motorola sold the Xoom on promises. But nowhere on the Box or on any advertisements did they say when LTE would be given out and nowhere in the advertisements was the SD card slot mentioned. So although you feel like you have been taken advantage of, you need to take some personal responsibility. You purchased an unfinished product willingly.
My response is that I will no longer buy Motorola products.

First this is not a personal attack on anyone, but I have to say that ALL of us bought this device well knowing that some of the features were still in developement. I have not seen anyone present actual evidence of Motorola committing to any specific dates as to when these features would be added. If you have evidence please share as I am sure there are many people who would like to see it.
Moto was first out of the gate with a HC tablet, if they had waited until everything was done it still would not have shipped and the same people who are blasting Motorola now for unsupported features would be the same people screaming that they were late to market. The US Xoom is a GED device, so the SD support is fully in Google's hands. As for the LTE upgrade, I have a WiFi Xoom so I really can not comment any more than what I have already said. In this type of market there really are not too many options.
1) Ship something with less features to be first or earlier to the market
2) Wait for the features to be fully supported and be late to the market
3) Ship the unit with full hardware support but lacking full software support so that features can be enabled in future SW updates.
It comes down to which one of these options satisfies the most people. I personally think they made the right choice, but everyone is entitled to thier own opinion. Now do I believe Moto needs to reduce the pricing to compete, of course. But I am sure that as soon as they reduce prices, people will be *****ing about that too. There is ALWAYS a premium for buying the first of anything, especially in the technology market.
Me personally, I like my Xoom and after reading reviews of the Samsung given the option to choose I would stick with the Xoom. Is it heavier - absolutely, is it more robust/durable - absolutely, is it going to get Adroid updates faster and for a longer period of time - most likely.
Regarding the point of them already designing a next generation Xoom, that is what companies have to do to stay competitive. There will ALWAYS be something newer/better/cheaper on the horizon and I would be more pissed off if they were not working on the next best thing.
Does it suck that something we all just spent good $$$ on a few months ago is not the "best" thing anymore, sure but that is how it goes.

I dont feel bad about my purchase...the cost of being an early adopter...also i dont care what anyone says...that Tab feels cheap as hell. My xoom feels bullet proof. Apple was able to make a thin device feel solid but like their phones, cameras, and big screen TV...the tab feels very plasticy and cheap. Just my opinion. I still love my xoom despite all this other stuff that comes out.

Kippui said:
Oh my god just $550 and no contract? I wouldn't mind prepaid 4g data from verzion....
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Where are you seeing that. I see $529 with a contract.

nubsors said:
Does it suck? Yes. Motorola sold the Xoom on promises. But nowhere on the Box or on any advertisements did they say when LTE would be given out and nowhere in the advertisements was the SD card slot mentioned. So although you feel like you have been taken advantage of, you need to take some personal responsibility. You purchased an unfinished product willingly.
My response is that I will no longer buy Motorola products.
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I am aware that they didn't commit to a "specific" date. Although if you followed CES where the xoom was debuted you will have heard Motorola reps offering all sorts of unofficial etas (all of which have come and gone). Regardless, misleading and dishonest advertising doesn't depend on them specifying a date. While they have said things like "by the end of Q2" (which was yesterday for anyone following) the practical truth is that when you offer a service in a fast moving market where a devices life cycle of relevance can be as little as 6 to 8 months (hence the new xoom 4g already on the horizon and quadcore chips becoming standard before the end of the year) you only have a certain window of oppertunity to deliver in a manner that represents the market you are trying to succeed in. To turn around and crawl under technicalities like, "we never promised you a certain date" becomes just a bold affirmation of ones own incompetence and utter lack of comprehension of the role that consumer trust plays in the role of your business. Look at apple. They have the most loyal fanbase, so much so that people buy their **** on principle without thinking, and while they shaft them on price, specs, and basic functionalities - they don't leave them out to dry when it comes to support.
As far as the SD card goes, go to Motorola's site. It is one of the specs advertised.
Someone can try to portray this as my own personal unjustified gripe but objectivity speaking these are business practices that will tarnish anyone's reputation and make people hesitant to buy their ****. I don't control that, it stems from common sense.
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The SD card issue on the US GED is a Google issue, everyone else is adding it aside from Google, so they need to answer this question. I don't think it's a huge issue though, it has 32GB of storage and I'm happy with that.
As for all the other complaints, yes, Moto are lying ****s, this isn't even a matter of debate anymore. But I still like my Xoom and I'm glad I bought it.

bmhanson said:
Where are you seeing that. I see $529 with a contract.
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Oh....
Sorry lol