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open gl es2.0( better games ) support on N1 ? when ?

I don't really play a lot of games on my phone but I have tried a number of games such as Abduction, Robo defense, wave blazer, speed forge and It's getting visually boring .. I wonder if android will ever get a real open gl es2.0 and be able to come out with games like what iPhone has; examples, need for speed and street fighter 4..
don't get me wrong, I love my phone very much but from time to time everyone craves for more.. I mean its not really a hardware issue since the N1 has better hardware specs than our friendly Apple counterparts .. come on we want Neon Floating Point support on our n1.... don't u agree ?

I cant wait to see the games improve

hopefully after the google io conference on may 19th..i read somewhere that google is going to be making gaming much more friendlier on android..until then try raging thunder 2 and asphalt 5
i really do miss my iphone games though :/

I made a post similer to this a wile back. Im also seeking better games. Theres a couple iphone games I hope that gets ported to android.

I hope they have games better than the iPhone...especially considering the hardware on this thing -man, it has better specs than some of the first computers I had!! haha

erebusting said:
I hope they have games better than the iPhone...especially considering the hardware on this thing -man, it has better specs than some of the first computers I had!! haha
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Unfortunately this specifically won't happen....we may have the far superior CPU, but we have no GPU....graphical rendering is all done CPU-side; whereas the iphone has a GPU chip in it. Our CPU is pretty ridiculously powerful, such that it performs graphically about 80% of what the iphone is capable of, but we are limited by the lack of a GPU onboard.

MaximReapage said:
Unfortunately this specifically won't happen....we may have the far superior CPU, but we have no GPU....graphical rendering is all done CPU-side; whereas the iphone has a GPU chip in it. Our CPU is pretty ridiculously powerful, such that it performs graphically about 80% of what the iphone is capable of, but we are limited by the lack of a GPU onboard.
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What are you talking about? Of course the Nexus One does have a GPU, capable of OpenGL ES 1.1 and 2.0.

MaximReapage said:
Unfortunately this specifically won't happen....we may have the far superior CPU, but we have no GPU....graphical rendering is all done CPU-side; whereas the iphone has a GPU chip in it. Our CPU is pretty ridiculously powerful, such that it performs graphically about 80% of what the iphone is capable of, but we are limited by the lack of a GPU onboard.
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Dude, u're completely wrong. N1 has a separate chip for 3D rendering, a separate HARDWARE chip.
It's NOT CPU-based.

The snapdragon processor has a dedicated GPU called Adreno 200. A dedicated GPU is a requirement of Flash 10.1 and the reason why some older Android devices will not be able have it. The reason why some games on the iPhone look better than the N1 is because the N1 has a lot more pixels to push. The N1 can processes more Polys/second then iPhone but because there are less pixels the iPhone can render some games better than the N1.
Would be nice to see a software update the optimizes the GPU or perhaps on a new Cyanogen Rom

jlevy73 said:
The snapdragon processor has a dedicated GPU called Adreno 200. A dedicated GPU is a requirement of Flash 10.1 and the reason why some older Android devices will not be able have it. The reason why some games on the iPhone look better than the N1 is because the N1 has a lot more pixels to push. The N1 can processes more Polys/second then iPhone but because there are less pixels the iPhone can render some games better than the N1.
Would be nice to see a software update the optimizes the GPU or perhaps on a new Cyanogen Rom
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Awww I thought we had the Hummingbird GPU.. I must have incorrectly read something somewhere. Oh no wait, that was the Samsung Galaxy S. It's much better than the Snapdragon, don't know about much, but it is better. 3 times better..
Why did Google render a Hummingbird in the video demonstrating the graphics processing of the Nexus -.-

Don't forget that any games designed for the Marketplace need to run on older versions of Android as well as older devices (such as the Dream). Because of that developers need to choose between making apps backwards compatible for maximum customers or writing apps better on only specific high-end devices (N1).

Eclair~ said:
Awww I thought we had the Hummingbird GPU.. I must have incorrectly read something somewhere. Oh no wait, that was the Samsung Galaxy S. It's much better than the Snapdragon, don't know about much, but it is better. 3 times better..
Why did Google render a Hummingbird in the video demonstrating the graphics processing of the Nexus -.-
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Yep the Samsung S has a PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec versus Nexus One = 22 million triangles/sec
Not sure why Google did what they did but Samsung is using their new S5PC110 application processor. This processor contains an ARM Cortex-A8 core paired with a PowerVR SGX540 GPU.

andythefan said:
Don't forget that any games designed for the Marketplace need to run on older versions of Android as well as older devices (such as the Dream). Because of that developers need to choose between making apps backwards compatible for maximum customers or writing apps better on only specific high-end devices (N1).
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In some respects that is true but look at Asphalt 5 for example. The game was designed with the iPhone in mind but when run on a stock N1, it lags real bad. I think a lot of these game developers make one version instead of platform specific ones.

HTC Legend .. Intensive 3D Gaming ?

Hey
i'm really consedoring buying the legend , just wondering since the CPU is 600MHz , will it be good with intensive 3D gaming like Asphalt 5 , Raging Thunder and Deliverace ?
or should i get the Samsung Wave instead ? cause i won't buy a phone that don't game well

Unlike the HTC hero, the legend has a dedicated GPU so will be better for games.

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Unlike the HTC hero, the legend has a dedicated GPU so will be better for games.
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then why do they say that the legend is only a slight upgrade from the hero in terms of tech?

it runs 3d games smooth, that is the 3d games out now and support tilt control, and that are not a lot of games.
Asphalt, smooth but no tilt control
Raging thunder, smooth for 98%
Google Earth (almost a game) no support doesn´t boot up
simply said, if you want to go for a mobile that supports hardcore 3d games and thatw really important to you in the long term, then get the desire or nexus or iphone. Sure the Legend support and runs the current gen of games perfect. There will come a time in next couple of month when increasing spec demand on a mobile will get the Legend a step back.
But who knows, the Hero getting an upgrade to 2.1 and it performs 100% better then on 1.6 android.

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hi mate can u please confirm any source regarding its dedicated GPU?
i am so excited if this is true since i have milestone which runs on a dedicated GPU and it plays asphalt much better than Nexus

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The MSM7200 SoC in the Hero does have a GPU based on ATI Imageon technology. It's not a particularly capable unit, but it is there.
Regards,
Dave

jakontil said:
hi mate can u please confirm any source regarding its dedicated GPU?
i am so excited if this is true since i have milestone which runs on a dedicated GPU and it plays asphalt much better than Nexus
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Take a look here: qualcomm.com/news/releases/2009/02/12/qualcomm-targets-sub-150-smartphones-versatile-high-performance-chipset-sup
The new MSM7227 chipset features a 600 MHz applications processor with a floating point unit, 320 MHz application DSP, 400 MHz modem processor, hardware-accelerated 3D graphics
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Apparently it supports OpenGL 2.0 whereas the Hero's dedicated GPU only suppors OpenGL 1.0. So it should perform better, but so far there are hardly any Android apps that make use of a dedicated GPU so it's hard to actually say how big the difference is.

Jarune said:
Asphalt, smooth but no tilt control
Raging thunder, smooth for 98%
Google Earth (almost a game) no support doesn´t boot up
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I tried these out on my Legend.
Asphalt does work and so does tilt control. You have to enable accelerometer in the game options. The game seemed incredibly fast though. But maybe that's how it's supposed to play.
Raging Thunder. No problems there. Pretty fun too.
And as you said, google earth doesn't even start up

is it asphalt 5 or 3?

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is it asphalt 5 or 3?
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I suppose it is 3....

3D Gaming Tests
I have tested some 3d games from the market place. Some of them only in a lite version, but the graphics should be the same... ^^
There is a rating system om smoothness from 1-5
Speedx 3D
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-beepstreet-speedx-wFnn.aspx
Its product specification tells the truth. It delivers stunning 3D accelerometer controlled tunnel experience without any lags.
5
Armageddon Squadron
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-polarbit-asquadron-pmqD.aspx
By stopping all tasks with my advanced task manager it runs quiet well. But not as smooth as Speedx 3D. Looks like 20 FPS. Anyway its playable and its still fun...
4
Raging Thunder 2 Lite
http://www.androlib.com/android.screenshot.app.nwtE-tEiE.u.aspx
Wow! Amazing 3d graphics! But you reckognize that HTC maybe doesn´t use the full CPU capacity of the legend as it could use. Starting a Race it lags and after some seconds it becomes much smoother, but still a bit laggy. 15-20 FPS therefore you can play it,
3.5
Speed Forge 3D Demo
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.mag3dlite-speedforgedemo-qCmp.aspx
Perfect! Super smooth!
5
Magnetic Sports Soccer
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-revo-proto-tiqp.aspx
Runs very smooth with an occasional appearance of lags... Very seldom
4.5
ToonWarz - LITE
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-polarbit-toonwarzlite-pqtB.aspx
Oh my godness! At first I thougt hey it runs not bad. But then the first enemies appeared and the FPS crashed totally! Unplayable³!
1
Kwaak3 - Quake 3 Arena for Android
http://code.google.com/p/kwaak3/
Very nice! After change the lightning from "Lightning maps" to "vertex" and the texture quality to 50% it runs very smooth with only one enemy and quiet okay with 3 enemies...
4.5
For shortness of this post i will only name the game and put a number behind it.
Homerun battle 3D demo- 5
Wave Blazer - 4
Quake 2&1 - 2
Mystique Chapter 1 - 5
My Paper - 5
Lybyrinth - 5
Dice 3D - 5
Friday Escape Lite - 3.5
Armadillo Roll Demo - 5
Vacuum - 5
Raging Thunder 1 - 5
NO ASPHALT 5!!!!!!!!
Upcoming tests after putting money aside
Exzeus Arcade - unfortunately no lite version out there
Deliverace - Omg! trailers look amazing! Hopefully it will be quiet smooth (not available at the moment)
Light Racer 3d - But maybe you can test these games??
Super G Stunt
SpaceTracks
Welcome to Hell 3D (not available at the moment)
Crusade of Destiny (not available at the moment)
AVERAGE RATING: 4,27777
After the devs have some clues to upgrade legends performance it could be nearly 5.

i know this thread is pretty old but i would like to add Dungeon Hunter.
the only game from gameloft that seems to work nearly perfect on the legend (no display resolution problems).
so, without overclocking version 3.11 runs pretty well. some buttons are deformed thats all.
the game doesn´t run perfect, but its playable.
version 3.5.7 (HD) works, too. but the graphics are deformed and youll get errors instead of videos.
Version 3.1.1 = 4.7/5
Version 3.5.7 = 4.2/5

so from all 3d gameloft games just dungen hunter will work well ?

i havent tested all games sofar, i m not that interessted in racing games or football managers and stuff.
but from the games ive tested (assassins creed, sandstorm, nova, hero of sparta and some other i forgot) only dungeon hunter works with the right resolution, nova was basicly playable, too (for example). but playing wouldnt be fun.

Just an aside 'cos I don't think it's been mentioned in this thread, the MSM7227 has the same Adreno 200 GPU that is used in the 1GHz Snapdragon phones like the Desire. Not sure about the clock speed, but I'd imagine it bears at least some relation to the main CPU clock.
Remember though that the Legend has a lot less screen to fill up so the lower fillrate is not so much of an issue, if at all. In fact, when you look at the Neocore benchmarks, the Legend holds up pretty well.
This link* shows Neocore benchmark scores for various devices and although the Legend is not tested, the MyTouch Slide has the same MSM7227 so results are comparable.
A lot of the 3D games for Android look like fairly lazy ports of older iPhone apps (Gameloft, I'm looking at you!) and may not be particularly suited to one Android GPU or another. That's Android fragmentation and an immature market though, eh?
Having said that, if 3D performance is important then something like Galaxy S would surely be the choice handset. The 1+GHz high-resolution devices will be the target devices for any serious game development so you may find that 320x480 and lower handsets are ignored to a great extent. Whether a burgeoning budget market keeps these lower-end device on developers' minds remains to be seen.
Edit to add: The only 3D game I have and play regularly is Carrom 3D (great pool/snooker game) and this is smooth enough even with all the detail turned up. A lot of other apps 'running' in the background will cause occasional lag, but then this is the price we pay for a multi-tasking environment!
* Search for "high end android gpu showdown" to get link at Android&Me (can't link as I'm a new account)

The only game (that I tried) that lags on my legend is caligo chaser

FIFA10 lags too.

the legend isnt a real lower-end device (the wildfire is xD).
if google would optimize android and htc would optimize sense the cpu and gpu would have much more power to for example to play games more fluedly.
if coders would even try to optimize theyr games for legend (and it would be very easy for gameloft for example, htc legend is comparable to the iphone 3gs and most of there games are coded for exactly that device), they would work just perfect.
the lower cpu rate and the lack of ram isnt the real problem: compare the hardware of the phones to a pc 10 years ago, the snapdragon should reach better performance than an pentium 3/1ghz cause of the architectur, the gpu is far away from the power of a geforce 2mx, but still pretty good.
based on the better architecture (n45; arm) the 600mhz msm7227 should be comparable to a 800mhz pentium 3.
this hardware has to work with a smaller screen with a fixed resolution. they could reach so much better performance, graphics etc. they are just too lazy.
(ps: i know that smartphone hardware isnt really comparable to hardware that was in pcs back then, but mhz is mhz)

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(ps: i know that smartphone hardware isnt really comparable to hardware that was in pcs back then, but mhz is mhz)
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Yeah, but MHz to MHz rarely mean much, even in the same architecture. For example: The new Qualcomm CPU's, found in the Desire-Z (T-Mobile G2, 800MHz) outperform the 1GHz (1000MHz) CPU found in the Dersire by a long way (these are both ARM). If you look at AMD CPUs vs Intel CPUs then AMD almost always outperform Intel, even on a lower clock-speed. (Both the x86-64 architecture). MHz to MHz only has a real, measurable, bearing when applied to 2 of the same CPUs at to different clock speeds (overclocking)
Having said all that, I do agree with your post. The Legend is capable of so much more, if only people would take the time to code properly. Part of the problem is that people rely on the Dalvik VM (fairly phone-independent), so they rarely have to code on a "per-phone-model" basis. With the iPhone, as it's only ever 1 set of hardware, programmers can easily optimise it for the iPhone. It's much harder to optimise for Android, as it exists on so many phones, each with different specs. But that's the price you pay for choice...

Suprisingly the Legends GPU outperforms the Desire in 3D benchmarks. The CPU is certainly weaker in the Legend, but the comparison below is not quite far because the Legend is still on 2.1 and the desire benchmark was 2.2
Hopefully soon they can be compared like for like...
hxxp://wxw.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&showhide=true&certified_only=1&D1=HTC%20Legend&D2=HTC%20Desire%20(Bravo)&D3=Apple%20iPhone%204
THis is a good read:
hxxp://smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php?/topic/105-analysis-of-qualcomm-msm7x27-msm7227-msm7627-and-msm7x25-msm7225-msm7625-processors-how-good-are-they/

Games under Froyo - Graphical performances?

Hi guys,
can someone tell me if anyone has posted some video showing how good are the graphical performances under froyo with games like Asphalt 5 or similar.
Maybe someone has already found a comparison...
You know the benchmark are only numbers, but I need to know how these numbers are applied in the real use

ye, I also want to know the graphical perdormance of desire under the 2.2. Because Asphalt 5 get little stuck in the 2.1.

Asphalt 5 won't get any better, it's a very dirty port from the iphone version to Android by Gameloft... they didn't spend enough time on it.

sruon said:
Asphalt 5 won't get any better, it's a very dirty port from the iphone version to Android by Gameloft... they didn't spend enough time on it.
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yeah, all games should work fine now on the desire, with or without froyo. Don't forget the desire has a 1ghz cpu much greater than the iphone which is around 400mhz. Any game that struggles with framedrops is due to bad programming. I remember Raging Thunder 2, which also had a lot of framedrops in their earlier version. Later on, they updated the game code and the game now works fantastic.
Good games are starting to come now

Its not that simple. Snapdragon is faster than the iPhone CPU for general purpose processing but the GPU in the iPhone is faster.

But still what pina says is true: I mean, Asphalt 5 looks crap and runs slow when compared to Raging Thunder 2. The latter looks a lot better and runs totally smooth.
What I want to say is, the iPhone's GPU might be faster (I dont know the technical details here), but the Snapdragon is still fast enough for graphics as good as on the iPhone, when coded properly.

New version of Asphalt 5 RUNS Very Smooth ;-)

Some games are badly coded, its always been like that on all platforms. Too many Android games are ports, this is never good, and one reason why the games are slow. Electopia on Winmo shows that snapdragon games can look great. However we still have a slower GPU and 2.5x the pixels to push around than the iPhone.. Of course its probable that the low resolution of the iphone also holds back how good its games will ultimately look. I havent been all that impressed with them to be honest, but they have a smooth frame rate.

pina_ said:
yeah, all games should work fine now on the desire, with or without froyo. Don't forget the desire has a 1ghz cpu much greater than the iphone which is around 400mhz. Any game that struggles with framedrops is due to bad programming. I remember Raging Thunder 2, which also had a lot of framedrops in their earlier version. Later on, they updated the game code and the game now works fantastic.
Good games are starting to come now
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*Sigh*
Clock speed doesn't make any bit of difference.
Snapdragon beats the iPhone cpu for regular CPU activities but doesn't stand up to it's GPU.

Vibrant is a best when it comes to graphics!!

KI my vibrant beats my g1 when it's running on 100mhz in the an3d benchmark app. Thats beasty. Also out also plays asphalt 5hd on 400mhz smoothly. I'd like to see if any snapdragon books do that!! Haha. Even when our phones software suck, they still write on top.

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KI my vibrant beats my g1 when it's running on 100mhz in the an3d benchmark app. Thats beasty. Also out also plays asphalt 5hd on 400mhz smoothly. I'd like to see if any snapdragon books do that!! Haha. Even when our phones software suck, they still write on top.
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I am shocked because you just knew that and btw it is not fair comparing with G1.

Did you really just compare a Vibrant to a G1...?

helikido said:
KI my vibrant beats my g1 when it's running on 100mhz in the an3d benchmark app. Thats beasty. Also out also plays asphalt 5hd on 400mhz smoothly. I'd like to see if any snapdragon books do that!! Haha. Even when our phones software suck, they still write on top.
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For most games, the CPU isn't the bottleneck, the GPU is.
So it's not surprising you can play a game smoothly on it with the CPU ambitiously underclocked.
The CPU isn't doing most of the work, the GPU is, so the fact that the CPU is underclocked so low doesn't have as much of an impact on performance.
Second gen iPhones didn't have 1GHz CPUs with last gen GPUs in them, and games performed quite well on them, for example...

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For most games, the CPU isn't the bottleneck, the GPU is.
So it's not surprising you can play a game smoothly on it with the CPU ambitiously underclocked.
The CPU isn't doing most of the work, the GPU is, so the fact that the CPU is underclocked so low doesn't have as much of an impact on performance.
Second gen iPhones didn't have 1GHz CPUs with last gen GPUs in them, and games performed quite well on them, for example...
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Yeah I know.reason why the 3gs can achieve iphone 4 graphics cuz they both have the same sgx535

anthonys2r said:
Did you really just compare a Vibrant to a G1...?
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THis made me lol.

Paging Dr B said:
THis made me lol.
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I was just bored.

N8ter said:
For most games, the CPU isn't the bottleneck, the GPU is.
So it's not surprising you can play a game smoothly on it with the CPU ambitiously underclocked.
The CPU isn't doing most of the work, the GPU is, so the fact that the CPU is underclocked so low doesn't have as much of an impact on performance.
Second gen iPhones didn't have 1GHz CPUs with last gen GPUs in them, and games performed quite well on them, for example...
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games for iphone are optimized for the device.. look at the droid X that has the same GPU as the 3GS, but dungeon defenders does not run as smooth on droid X.. why is that?
hardware acceleration?
ram allocation?

Ms_Vibrant said:
games for iphone are optimized for the device.. look at the droid X that has the same GPU as the 3GS, but dungeon defenders does not run as smooth on droid X.. why is that?
hardware acceleration?
ram allocation?
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Android has too many different devices with different hardware, so that means the games codes are not optimized to run and take full advantage of the hardware. Thats why the ps3 has 5 year old hardware and it still had better graphics than some off the high end gaming pcs.

Ms_Vibrant said:
games for iphone are optimized for the device.. look at the droid X that has the same GPU as the 3GS, but dungeon defenders does not run as smooth on droid X.. why is that?
hardware acceleration?
ram allocation?
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Stable Hardware platform, and stabe device specs.
Also, iOS is just better for game development than Android, though the latter is getting better.

I loled anyways no dude not a fair comparison the first android phone with a gpu not even the first iphone loses
I miss my g1 though
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I loled anyways no dude not a fair comparison the first android phone with a gpu not even the first iphone loses
I miss my g1 though
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Did you ever finish that hero rom?
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Ms_Vibrant said:
games for iphone are optimized for the device.. look at the droid X that has the same GPU as the 3GS, but dungeon defenders does not run as smooth on droid X.. why is that?
hardware acceleration?
ram allocation?
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The OS. Apple has engineers and devs working on 3 devices. iPhone, iPod Touch, and the iPad. They have one huge team working on 3 devices that for the most part are nearly identical. Motorola alone has a crap load of phones all on different versions of the same OS that are all spec'ed differently. Assuming that motorola has the same amount of dev's as apple (unlikely), they now have to divide their time between all of their devices. Then we have to look at the devs of the game and find out what they're using as their test device, and then also see if this is just a port or if they built it from the ground up for android. If it's anything like a port from the 360 to a PS3 or vice versa then it makes sense why it runs better on one platform than the other. But I don't really know, i'm just talking out of my arse.

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The OS. Apple has engineers and devs working on 3 devices. iPhone, iPod Touch, and the iPad. They have one huge team working on 3 devices that for the most part are nearly identical. Motorola alone has a crap load of phones all on different versions of the same OS that are all spec'ed differently. Assuming that motorola has the same amount of dev's as apple (unlikely), they now have to divide their time between all of their devices. Then we have to look at the devs of the game and find out what they're using as their test device, and then also see if this is just a port or if they built it from the ground up for android. If it's anything like a port from the 360 to a PS3 or vice versa then it makes sense why it runs better on one platform than the other. But I don't really know, i'm just talking out of my arse.
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Or because of 'fragmentation'? Adroid doesn't have hardware acceleration yet, so high end 3d games will only work well with powerful gpu like that of galaxy s..

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Look at the droid X that has the same GPU as the 3GS, but dungeon defenders does not run as smooth on droid X.. why is that?
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That's most likely because the Galaxy S line has the PowerVR 540 and the Droid 2 / Droid X / iPhone all have a lesser / earlier PowerVR GPU (535). Hence why the Dungeon Defenders description itself list them mid-range and not high-end like the other devices listed.

epakrat75 said:
That's most likely because the Galaxy S line has the PowerVR 540 and the Droid 2 / Droid X / iPhone all have a lesser / earlier PowerVR GPU (535). Hence why the Dungeon Defenders description itself list them mid-range and not high-end like the other devices listed.
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Even with what we have, nothing looks comparable to infinity blade.

Galaxy S2: Is graphics noticable crapper compared 2 iPhone 4S??

I am interested in how the graphics compare to the iphone 4S in real life. Like, is it that noticable?
I know the iPhones have optimization and all but with the Mali 400MP will i notice much difference compared 2 the iPhone 4S graphics? Iv seen all the benchmarks and i know iphone 4s is up to 2x faster then Mali 400 but will it be noticable??

It's not really noticeable, but the iPhone 4S is the first phone to have a dual-core graphics chip (gpu) so it can handle any game thrown at it. In my opinion playing games on the S2 is much more enjoyable because of the bigger screen and because of Super Amoled Plus. However if your buying a smartphone for games... then something is wrong with you haha
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actually i think the samsungs were the first 2 have a dual core gpu... and alot of people buy a smartphone for games.. its tasken over DS and PSP in market share for handheld gaming...cant argue with statistics

Technically, the A5 chip is better for graphics. However the most important factor here is that games are better on iOS. If you want to play on mobile, go iOS no questions asked. Since the GS2 screen is bigger, it's more comfortable to play, but games are late to release on Android.

freemini said:
Technically, the A5 chip is better for graphics. However the most important factor here is that games are better on iOS. If you want to play on mobile, go iOS no questions asked. Since the GS2 screen is bigger, it's more comfortable to play, but games are late to release on Android.
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yeah, i can wait for the games to release but i just want 2 know how much noticably worse the graphics will be, if at all?
and iphone 4s only ha 512mb of RAM.. will that matter?

Only 512 mb of ram will matter in the long run. Even if the games this time next year would be playable thanks to the GPU, they will lag due to the lack of RAM -- otherwise iPhone 5 wouldn't have any selling point.
As for GPU performance, despite being newer the A5 is hardly better: http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare....Apple iPhone 4S&D2=Samsung GT-i9100 Galaxy S2
The next generation A6 and Mali are most likely to double the performance.

The mali-400 use a quad-core configuration.
http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-400-mp.php

peterdan1506 said:
yeah, i can wait for the games to release but i just want 2 know how much noticably worse the graphics will be, if at all?
and iphone 4s only ha 512mb of RAM.. will that matter?
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i have a iphone 4 and galaxy s2 as my main phones, i like playing games a lot and for that i use the iphone, games are smoother, better optimised , better looking ( on retina) and get updated faster if there are problems, that has a simple answer, developers have to develop for 5 hardware versions with are very similar anyway not like on android wich has hundreds of hardware versions, and games are can not be tested on all of them.

Check ShadowGun for Galaxy S2 and judge it for your self
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ephraim033 said:
Check ShadowGun for Galaxy S2 and judge it for your self
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Lol i got this yesterday - sick as f***
Bulletstorm vs gears of war.
Also Riptide GP has super graphics too!
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Shadowgun's available for ios too but I bet the developer spent an lot less time on it than the Android versions

peterdan1506 said:
I am interested in how the graphics compare to the iphone 4S in real life. Like, is it that noticable?
I know the iPhones have optimization and all but with the Mali 400MP will i notice much difference compared 2 the iPhone 4S graphics? Iv seen all the benchmarks and i know iphone 4s is up to 2x faster then Mali 400 but will it be noticable??
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IMO it's very noticeable. My wife has the i4S so I've spent a good bit of time comparing. Gaming is on a whole other level with the i4S. Not sure if it's because the apps are better optimized or the gpu is just that much better. Asphalt 6, shadow gun, dead space all have a richer gameplay experience from graphics, to character control etc. Then you have games like Modern Combat 3 and Real Racing and atm there's just nothing on the android platform that's comparable.

One of the bad things for the Mali MP400(Or in that context the way it's implemented in the Galaxy S II) is its clocking mechanism(It's in no way a mechanism,I know,but I try to simplify things a lot).The GPU's clock must be 800MHz divided by an integer.So the next two options are 400MHz(800/2) and then 267MHz(800/3).So,because 400Mhz is a 50% overclocked state so to speak,Sammy had to stick with 267Mhz.If I remember well,the Tegra 2's Geforce ULP runs at 333Mhz(and still gets pretty much raped) and the overclocked to death version of the PowerVR SGX540 in the RAZR runs at 384MHz and STILL is worse.That's because we are all comparing stock handsets.My SGS2 with 400MHz GPU kicks the crap of all the aformentioned phones.
As for talks about dual-core GPU,it's a little more complex than that.GPUs are from their nature multi-core devices,but not in the way CPUs are.They use pixel shader cores,vertex shader cores and so on.In that manner,the Mali MP400 is quad-core and the GeForce ULP is octa-core.The SGX545 in the iPhone 4S is more like dual GPU.Still,we don't know how it's clocked.Plus,the SII is 6 months older.So,if we also take into consideration that last year's Desire HD with its relatively crappy(Compared to new ones) GPU plays all graphics intensive games smoothly,no,the SII won't suck for a long time.
Long post but for some it may be a worth read.

Bec07 said:
Only 512 mb of ram will matter in the long run. Even if the games this time next year would be playable thanks to the GPU, they will lag due to the lack of RAM -- otherwise iPhone 5 wouldn't have any selling point.
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Nonsense. It's a stupid little mobile phone - if twice as much RAM as a PS3 can't do it, the programmers really should find another job.

MoWa22 said:
Nonsense. It's a stupid little mobile phone - if twice as much RAM as a PS3 can't do it, the programmers really should find another job.
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You can't just talk out of your gut like that.
There's so much to consider in to account. Firstly being the PS3 has a harddrive to compensate for the ram. So that's the hardware dilemma covered.
And the second; there are more console gaming developers than there are mobile gaming developers due to mobile gaming being a new generation and developers would rather go for the easy option than spend hours and resources thinking about what they can fit on a 3.7 inch screen.
The third among many reasons; target audience for consoles are broad. You don't have 5 year olds owning a 4S. Hence momentum on gaming market for consoles is still in it's peak. And if you ask me, playing MW3 or BF3 on an iPhone would be suicidal.

danielsf said:
The mali-400 use a quad-core configuration.
http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-400-mp.php
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No, the Mali 400 uses 1 vertex unit and 4 pixel units. Having 4 pixel units lead it to be called quad-core (probably for marketing purposes), but it is not true quad core. Hence the reason why the iPhone 4s' true dual-core still outperforms it.

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Only 512 mb of ram will matter in the long run. Even if the games this time next year would be playable thanks to the GPU, they will lag due to the lack of RAM.
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PS3 has 512MB total RAM. It's not the amount that matters, it's how you use it
What I mean is, developers will be optimizing their games for what resources they have. Hence, I don't think there will be any performance problems next year.

Actually I thought that sgs2 kicked iphone 4s' ass...
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No matter what people here might say, i might get flamed for this but...
If you want to play games, get an iphone 4s, Simple as that. Specs aside (yes GPU wise the a5 is faster than mali400 anyway), iOs is much better for gaming, more games. and higher quality games. not to mention games usually arrive on ios faster than they make it to android.
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you both terribly wrong ;-)
1/ the ps3 has good cpus/gpus despite the age
2/ the ps3 only runs the game and optimized for gaming (including the dev tools and the apis)
3/the phone runs a lot of other things that the ps3 doesn't even have hardware for (starting by: how do you think the phone receives calls and messages even thus ur playing a game?)
4/the phones also have a runtime on top
5/phones have non voltile memory too
and please realize that ram has nothing to do with raw power, its just a fast access memory. means the more stuff you run the more ram you need.
eventually, ram is used to compensate loading times or how much data you can process at once, but that's not always as relevent