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Dont get me wrong, i love the phone even if i have some issues.
after playing with the X1 for several days now i come to think if the 3inch WVGA screen really is a big advantage or a drawback.
Why?
Well, WVGA is a nice resolution but i think the screen is just a bit too small for it. It would work great on the Touch HD with its huge screen.
See comparision: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=128435&d=1226196066
When doing stuff in windows there are many situations when buttons etc are so damn small that you would even have trouble to exactly reach them with your stylus, let alone your finger. In Opera you can see alot more of the page with the high res, but you can hardly read anything without zooming, which i think wouldnt have to be done on the Touch HD.
In IE which doesnt support zooming, standard links are so small its hard to even hit them with the stylus.
Then we have the apps and games. Many of the games especially are made for VGA or QVGA and i dont think they will ever be ported to WVGA because the Aspect Ratio would just be wrong. So the games either dont run at all (Another World/Worms) or only use VGA res and leave the rest black (Age of Empires, Emulators) which again results into a very tiny viewport where its hard to read and hit anything.
Furthermore the screen is resessed, which i thought wouldnt bother me much, but cleaning up the dirt from the edges all the time is quite annoying...
So the final question comes to my mind: Is the 3inch WVGA screen really an advantage ? I dont know but i come to think it isnt.
Since my device has a hardware defect and is going back, i wonder if i should get a X1 again or maybe try the Touch Pro which has a slighty lower resoultion and 4:3 aspect ratio.
Given the shape of the device they couldnt have used another display size and resolution i guess, because to use VGA they would have to make the device wider, maybe thats a reason they used it.
What do you think ? Which real benefits does this screen have ?
I like it very much. I can read everything and get some more informations on the screen. For me it's not too small. The software I use works fine with wvga. Just in Worms World Party the edge is cut, but this doesn't bother me, I play very seldom. For Videos it's great, the black bars are now quite small so no wasted screenspace.
I have to say I have no problem reading anything when zoomed out and I don't have problems hitting buttons either. Links can be a bit of an issue in web pages but I would rather have a smaller device to be honest. I have to admit I have small hands and if I had big fingers I may well think otherwise!
The recessed screen is a bit of a shame but I will fit a screen protector and not worry about the dirt!
If I didn't want the keyboard then I would go with a touch HD. I didn't like the diamond at all and haven't had a chance to play with a touch pro yet.
i can also still read text when not zoomed in and hit the buttons...its not that i have bad eyes...
its just that i think the reading experience isnt really great...take for example the standard on screen keyboard, thats so small you even have to concetrate to hit it with the stylus.
On the Touch HD this resolution should work out great while surfing etc, but that doesnt have a keyboard :/
How should a Screen Protector keep the dirt away btw ? It will just be on the screen protector instead...still can go into the edges.
How did you get Worms to run ? With WVGA Fix ? Without it doesnt work for me.
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How did you get Worms to run ? With WVGA Fix ? Without it doesnt work for me.
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Just installed and started it, no wvga fix or whatever.
hm will have to try that again then...which version did you use?
the viewport will be VGA however which would certainly be alot smaller than on the Touch Pro for example.
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its just that i think the reading experience isnt really great...take for example the standard on screen keyboard, thats so small you even have to concetrate to hit it with the stylus.
How should a Screen Protector keep the dirt away btw ? It will just be on the screen protector instead...still can go into the edges.
How did you get Worms to run ? With WVGA Fix ? Without it doesnt work for me.
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I agree it is small but I have to say I don't mind... If you want to use a keyboard why wouldn't you use the slide out hardware one?
I use a matt protector and it doesn't show dirt as much as the shiny screen.
I was wondering about games, I will give worms a go
TBH I was 50:50 about xperia or Touch HD and decided I wanted to try a hardware keyboard. I am sure the HD is also a great device.
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Worms WP 1.0.4
You are a business-user? Than nothing compares with the WVGA even at 3". You get much more things to be read than at VGA. Had a look at AgendaFusion? Much more to see at WVGA at one view. Less scrolling, better overview.
You are working with text/excel? With softmaker office you can see the overview of a complete wide of a page and are able to see details! Much easier than on VGA.
You have banking software as Subsembly Banking? Much more to see at one view too!
Contacts? Much more without scrolling.
There are lots of situations every day giving WVGA an advantage over VGA. 3" WVGA are better for business than 2,8" VGA. And 3,8" often ist too big to carry with yourself.
I am using WVGA for over one year now (with my Toshiba G900) and I would not change back to VGA.
And for daily use I have created my own theme with WisbarAdvancedDesktop2 that fits my needs, is fingerfriendly and running very fast. Nothing more needed
I like the screen size. It's a phone, not a laptop and I'm confident that new panel UIs will solve the problem of tiny buttons all over the place.
But recessing the screen was stupid. Don't know what they were thinking
which would you guys pick...BUT DISREGARD THE KEYBOARD PART...just simply everything else other than the hardware keyboard....which would you guys choose
The Touch HD, bigger screen, no cracks in case, g-sensor etc.
Indeed. Generalized a lot, the Touch HD is an X1 with a bigger screen and without keyboard.
I chose the xperia because of looks keyboard and I what really made the difference that I found a really cheap 2nd hand phone still in the box.
My friend has the Touch hd and it's also very nice but I really like the keyboard.
If that doesnt matter to you, you should choose the HD.
which one has better battery life?thanks.
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which one has better battery life?thanks.
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Definately the Xperia, so far at least. I think it´s partly due to the HD screen taking much more power and that the bttery is smaller in the HD. I love them both though...
Touch HD: Big screen, accelerometer
Xperia: Hardware keyboard
xperia for me.
they keyboard, the metal case, the extra buttons (optical pad, d-pad and probably teh OK button (acts as close and so on ...)
the HD has by far the better/ bigger screen, but it doesnt feel liek a cellphone after all. its a little bit to big for my taste. xperia fits my hand better.
having a gyro is fun but its not like u realy need it. i abrley used gyro features in my old phones. defacto i disabled them cause they rotated my screen when i didnt want to.
if u realy dont want a keyboard, gor for the HD.
For me the Xperia is the choice for me
1. Smaller
2. Opital pad is awesome for browsing & emails and means the screen stays clean
3. battery life is brilliant
4. Screen res is better, just smaller
5. Camera is much better. Proves pixels aren't everything. Has a light too!
6. Build quality and being all metal is nice (but heavier)
My bro loves his HD as he watches heaps of movies, so the bigger screen is a clear winner if this is your need.
Listen, both are great devices and it really depends on your needs.
Good luck.
Dev
So I wasn't the only one who had this dilemma, I was thinking exactly the same, like all previous replies, they are basically the same in terms of specs. I really like the big screen on the HD but I went for the X1 only because O2 doesn't bloody sell the HD directly and it means I would have to pay GBP15 extra a month for the line rental if I went for the HD... so the decision for me was I love my money more than a bigger screen. Also, the keyboard on the X1 is really good, although I think the virtual keyboard would probably be as good. I would say if you don't have any loyalty waiting for you from your network provider, then go for the HD, but I would guess the battery might not be as good. My X1 can last up to 3 whole days with normal usage (couple of calls, good few texts, messing about, and some internet).
Sure whichever you go for, you will have loads of fun.
Its really unfair to disregard the keyboard, because the X1 relies on this aspect of its design so firmly. Most would choose the HD over the Xperia if the keyboards are disregarded, but i don't think its fair to leave out one phone's strong point in a comparison. The X1 has a keyboard and one has to consider this when making a purchase choice, there is no changing that. Either way, i would go with the Xperia, its screen is more sensitive, it has at least one US 3G band either model, it has that awesome metal finish and really beautiful design, and is just so smooth and stylish overall, as well as having that huge battery.
when the THD was announced i did consider it along with the X1. but the size of the thing just puts me off..
its so wide across and taller than the X1. ive held the iphone and it didnt feel good in my palm. and the THD is slightly wider...
I was unsure of which to take from those 2, but i got the xperia and now after nearly 2 weeks i am satisfied with my decision, i wanted a bigger display for video but opted for a hardware keyboard and a light flash (HD no flash at all).
Now i find myself happy with it, the hardware keyboard is useful when i want to type more than 2-3 words, lot easier than onscreen keyboard.
so how about the web surfing?i saw video shows that x1's opera won't reflow text when zoom,does that cause any inconvenience?
i would go for the hd.. bigger screen. i do like the x1 for being small but if the x1 screen was 3.2 or 3.5 than it would almost be perfect for me.
in my eyes right now, the most ideal phone for me would be
the Xperia with a 3.2-3.8" screen
8-10mp camera with Xenon Flash
and
hadware keyboard lol
i know..i know..i can only keep dreaming
elite-fusion said:
in my eyes right now, the most ideal phone for me would be
the Xperia with a 3.2-3.8" screen
8-10mp camera with Xenon Flash
and
hadware keyboard lol
i know..i know..i can only keep dreaming
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haha, I would love that, size has never been a problem for me when it comes to phones, although I was forced to have the horrible C092 (insurance replacement after having lost my W960) but based on your requirements, the phone would probably be the size of a netbook, but the price of a proper computer...
Does anyone else here think having a bigger phones nowadays is more stylish than having those tiny mobile phones?
Also I agree being a woman with slightly smaller hands, I think the X1 is probably the biggest I can handle with pleasure, I have always liked the iphone (being a Mac user) but the size is a bit of an issue...
After all, I am bitter coz I didn't even have a chance to choose the HD coz O2 doesn't do it... I think it's fair to say it all depends on if you like coffee to tea, both tasty and keep you awake...
Xperia for me cos...
1.Optical pad etc buttons, better handle music in -5° with u gloves on +Faster to handle
2.Better sound? Dont know never heard HD's sound quality, but in X1 it's just awesome.
3.Better battery.
4.qwerty-keyboard.
5.Looks better, imo, metal case etc.
6.Smaller.
But HD is great also.
First things first: I generally like my HD2 - It's fast, has a nice display and a lot of other nice features but the touch screen outright sucks and is bordering on useless. Of course the iphone screen isn't much better but it still beats the HD2 screen hands down.
What's all the fuss about capacitive screens? All I can see is a loss in functionality. I hear their more durable but who cares whether the screen lasts 3 years or 10???? It's nowhere near as precise as any other touch screen device I ever owned. I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
I installed a sensitivity fix cab and it's somewhat usable for day to day stuff but still.....the 4.3" screen is nowhere near as usable as the 3" my X1 had and I could operate that with my finger only quite all right.
Seems like there nothing in capacitive screens other than being iphone-like. Why not have a 4.3" resistive screen? What's the actual downside?
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try playing crayon physics
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I am and it works just fine for me
There are styluses (styli?) available for cap. screens also though.
The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
Glass can be used. Less vulnerable.
multi touch can be implemented.
more touch sensetive.
The advantige of resistive touch screens:
more accurate without software.
simple styles can be used.
cheap.
greatings,
marc
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I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
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Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.
I'd say the biggest downside of capacitive screens is the absence of multitouch capabilities. I have absolutely no problems operating my phone with it's capacitive screen. So to speak, Windows Mobile 6.x.x isn't really optimized for it anyways, as the HD2 was the first phone with capacitive screen on the platform.
If you wanted to work precise with a stylus then maybe you shouldn't have bought an HD2 in the first place.
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... try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk
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No offence but I would say that not being able to play/finish crayon physics deluxe with this peace of jewellery is of course not caused by the screen or the phone. I would search the cause somewhere else.....
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First things first: I generally like my HD2 - It's fast, has a nice display and a lot of other nice features but the touch screen outright sucks and is bordering on useless. Of course the iphone screen isn't much better but it still beats the HD2 screen hands down.
What's all the fuss about capacitive screens? All I can see is a loss in functionality. I hear their more durable but who cares whether the screen lasts 3 years or 10???? It's nowhere near as precise as any other touch screen device I ever owned. I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
I installed a sensitivity fix cab and it's somewhat usable for day to day stuff but still.....the 4.3" screen is nowhere near as usable as the 3" my X1 had and I could operate that with my finger only quite all right.
Seems like there nothing in capacitive screens other than being iphone-like. Why not have a 4.3" resistive screen? What's the actual downside?
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The whole benefit of a capacitive screen for me is that I don't have to use a stylus. If I wanted to use a stylus I would have gone for a different phone.
Why did you buy this phone if you wanted to use a stylus? You can however get one, have you tried that first before falling out with the phone? It could fulfill all your needs and then you'll see how good the HD2 is.
I think that it is a matter of habit and getting used to resistive screens in your case. I havent had a resistive screen ever but i played a quite a lot with some and i must say that capacitive is much more interactive, finger friendly and intuitive than resistive so you might just try not to be so stuborn and give it a chance Everytime i try to do something with my girlfriends' resistive samsung and i keep getting stuck with not knowing how hard should I push the screen exactly ... I am not a fan of the resistive and after all it is called TOUCH screen not a Push screen Enjoy your Hd mate !
You can use fingers on resistive touchscreens. These days even resistive touchscreens can have multitouch.
I think the main advantage of capacitive screen is the glass, as was mentioned. Resistive screen must deform under the touching object, which means it wears down.
For phone, capacitive screen is just ok.
For tablet PCs, I'd like to see combination of capacitive screen with electromagnetic stylus (like tablet has) where you could switch the mode.
Capacitive screen is good for fast controls, but if you draw with stylus, you don't want the screen to react on random touches.
For example iPad has rather thick borders around the screen .. because you have to hold it somehow without actually touching the screen.
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try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk
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The game is so addictive i completed this morning. Try junking your fingers?
A capacitive screen makes our screen a real touch screen instead of 'tap screen'.
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The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
more touch sensetive.
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I don't think so. Resistive is much more sensitive and precise. Pen stroke input used to be the reason PPC stuck to resistive input.
Being an HD2 fan doesn't mean a capacitive fan. Capacitive is the reason that I nearly bought an Omnia II instead of HD2. For me, it is something to hate.
With resistive, I don't mind carrying around a stylus when it means I can do precision work. And I can still use my fingers when I need to.
Now that we have WVGA, I believe now that we can sacrifice screen estate and use huge UIs so that capacitive screen can survive. But that means old applications written for resistive screens (including WM6.1 dialogues) usually have too small UIs for use on HD2.
Alex, That the Capacitive touch is more sensetive is an advantige, with the interface or software you can decrese the sensetivety. On resistive touch screens it is technicaly inposible to get the sensetivety as high as on capacitive.
It is posible to make resistive touch screens multitouch. only that takes a lot of software to calculate positions of pressing.
The techniek is very different between both. therefore you love it or you don't. some get used to it, some don't. It is all personal. There are even people who love the small keyboards. And even my wife loves only the number keys on the normal simple phones since she uses the dictionairy. And I have to say, She is faster writing a sms than me.
So everyone should use whatever they like. Every option has it's advantiges.
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Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.
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I should have been more specific: The junk I'm referring to is the screen and NOT the device. Like I said, I like the device but IMHO all the 'advantages' of capacitive don't make up for its downsides.
Just to address some of the comments:
Resistive screens CAN be touch operated without a stylus
They do NOT break down all the time
AFAIK they CAN support multitouch
Maybe it's just the crappy implementation of capacitive that HTC has done. The Iphone screen does not seem to suffer from all the issues the HD2 has:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=595655
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
Are capacitive screen really a requirement for WM7?
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The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
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Learn before you preach.
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Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.
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Hahahahahaha!!! John is right. Better be careful what you post on this forum.
I say put your fingers on a strict diet! Enroll them in a exercise regime until you can use your "piece of junk" effectively.
Well, for me the #1 reason for me to get an HD2 IS the capacitive screen.
I've had many many resistive screen devices (1 old pocketpc, 4 HTC phones, 2 touch-enabled UMPCs), and I'm tired of having to use my nail to press on that screen. It's perfectly fine on old-style UIs that rely on clicks only, but for the "new" flick, scroll, tap, pinch, rotate, capacitive is just the way to go.
Still getting mad when I tap my Kaiser's screen with my finger (not the nail) and it thinks I want to scroll, and goes 2 pages down... only works fine with something sharp, whatever the settings/tweaks.
capacitive is a reason to buy for me: it is what made the HD2 stand out for me. I will never go back to resistive technology.
I must say though that in my opinion the iPhone display is of a superior quality, not in terms of pixel count, but certainly in terms of its accuracy, sensitivity and reliability. it is simply a lot easier to tap out words on the iPhone than on the HD2. It also responds better to cold (if I go out in the winter breeze I sometimes find my HD2 starts pressing keys and moving the screen about of its own accord).
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I should have been more specific: The junk I'm referring to is the screen and NOT the device. Like I said, I like the device but IMHO all the 'advantages' of capacitive don't make up for its downsides.
Just to address some of the comments:
Resistive screens CAN be touch operated without a stylus
They do NOT break down all the time
AFAIK they CAN support multitouch
Maybe it's just the crappy implementation of capacitive that HTC has done. The Iphone screen does not seem to suffer from all the issues the HD2 has:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=595655
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
Are capacitive screen really a requirement for WM7?
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try walkin down the street while tryin to send an sms using the stylus on a resistive screen...u'll be sooo glad ur hd2 is capacitive...
kruithofm said:
The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
Glass can be used. Less vulnerable.
multi touch can be implemented.
more touch sensetive.
The advantige of resistive touch screens:
more accurate without software.
simple styles can be used.
cheap.
greatings,
marc
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this should have been end of thread.
So one thing that bugs the living heck out of me is the lame touchscreen on my Nexus One... Does anyone know what touchscreen this phone is going to be using????
I can honestly say that's the SINGLE thing keeping me from thinking about ditching my N1 for this phone...
EDIT ADDON: I'm not talking about the display screen type, I'm trying to find out the manufacturer and model of the touchscreen used in the EVO 4G
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So one thing that bugs the living heck out of me is the lame touchscreen on my Nexus One... Does anyone know what touchscreen this phone is going to be using????
I can honestly say that's the SINGLE thing keeping me from thinking about ditching my N1 for this phone...
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I was wondering the same thing and posted this on another forum. I guess it is relevant here too.
I have been reading up on this a bit more and I don't think there is enough information yet to make a call on whether this is AMOLED or TFT LCD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnQcsC-qjpo
In this video at exactly 3:00, some representative (from Sprint or HTC?) specifically says that the display is a 4.3" TFT display and NOT AMOLED :
http://developer.sprint.com/site/global/develop/mobile_platforms/android/android.jsp
I also found this link in a thread on androidcentral.com which is a Sprint developers site that states the following:
Display
Type: amoled captive multi-touch
Size: 4.3 inches wga
Resolution: 800x480 (WVGA)
HDMI output: YES
I guess the verdict is still out on this issue unless someone else has anything to add.
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I have been reading up on this a bit more and I don't think there is enough information yet to make a call on whether this is AMOLED or TFT LCD.
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Oh, it's TFT like you hear the reps say in the videos, that's all over the place in the videos released just a couple days ago as you've already seen... it's a really really high quality TFT.. I just haven't been able to find out the Touchscreen yet.
For me, this is also the number one area of concern. My understanding is that the technology is quite different from iPhone's. It would be really good if they can have the accurate and predictable screen behaviour of iPhone's touchscreen. My guess is that iPhone has already patented their touchscreen technolgy so it would not be legal to copy it now.
Pretty much everywhere you look, and including the rep, its a TFT screen. The AMOLED was what many thought the "Supersonic" would have, but when the Evo was announced, it was said to be TFT.
But then, alot of people are saying TFT > AMOLED for practical use (sunlight issues). Sure you can bring up Super AMOLED, but I'm not sure HTC has the rights to use that technology yet.
My main concern is the accuracy of the touch screen manufactured by HTC.
See this report if you have not done so yet:
http://labs.moto.com/robot_touchscreen_analysis/
Yeah, condensed version for those at work:
ArsTechnica
But, with a screen that large - I doubt touchscreen performance will be lacking. Has anyone heard any issues with the HD2's touchscreen performance?
I have both the HD2 and the 3GS.
The HD2 touchscreen is crude compared to the iPhone.
On a web page, links often cannot be selected, and the keyboard is horrible to use despite the fact that is larger than the iphone's.
The keyboard responds to the last input detected. Touch a letter and as you move your finger away and brush another letter that is the one that is selected, which is a major hassle.
Also pinch & zoom is very limited on the HD2.
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Pretty much everywhere you look, and including the rep, its a TFT screen. The AMOLED was what many thought the "Supersonic" would have, but when the Evo was announced, it was said to be TFT.
But then, alot of people are saying TFT > AMOLED for practical use (sunlight issues). Sure you can bring up Super AMOLED, but I'm not sure HTC has the rights to use that technology yet.
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The original question isn't about the display screen. I don't care about TFT or AMOLED, I'm only taking about the touchscreen which has nothing to do with the display.
http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/products/clearpad
The current problems with basically all the current HTC phones is that they use a Synaptics 2000 touchscreen... The N1 has basically the same touch hardware as the G1 and all the current HTC phones... Frankly it sucks for a modern day "superphone", I say modern day smartphone that relies on touch for it's only input. It's sad that HTC/Google went with a inferior touchscreen compared to the iPhone which has been out for how many years already? Clearly for multitouch games and applications to work properly the Synaptics 2000 just won't cut it.
I'm hoping the EVO will move to the Synaptics 3000 screen which is true multitouch. That's what I'm trying to find out, what manufacturer and model is the touchscreen.
You can see a demo of the Synaptics 3000 in action here: http://vimeo.com/5739205
Ahhhh, true multitouch like the iPhone. I bet all the wackness I get when trying to type fast will go away with this. Oh, and the phone won't freak out if part of my hand is touching the side of the glass ever so slightly.
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The original question isn't about the display screen. I don't care about TFT or AMOLED, I'm only taking about the touchscreen which has nothing to do with the display.
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Wow.. Well thanks for the edit now, atleast. My apologies for not digging so deep into your question. I do know about the Synaptic screens, however, I do not know if the EVO is 2000 or 3000.
Again, I'm SO sorry for not understanding initially.
no worries, I just feel the need to spell everything out because, well it's the internet.
I hope a new kick butt Android phone comes out this year with true multitouch... I miss the iPhone quality a lot.
...That was supposed to be sarcasm, but oh well, glad we're all happy.
..Anyways, after a little digging, I found a rumor that Synaptics isn't doing the touchscreen for the Evo, Atmel is.
Could be bogus, but who knows.
Whew, more than I could find out which was/is nothing, LOL!
Being HTC has used Synaptics in all (From what I know) of the recent phones over the last 2yrs I find it hard they would go somewhere else... But hey, maybe Synaptics is asking too high of a price for the new 3000 screen... who knows..
That 4in 4G phone sure looks awesome though!
News article quote I found..
This little-known company (Atmel) supplies chips for the Apple iPad, according to the tech design consultancy Chipworks. Atmel has also taken business from another Under the Radar pick, Synaptics(SYNA), by supplying touch screens for HTC's new Evo device, according to Lazard Capital Markets.
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http://www.thestreet.com/story/10723835/1/ipad-boom-could-catapult-small-chipmaker.html
I've only played with the iPad at work, and not extensively, but the thing has a pretty dang good responsive touchscreen. Again, this is from 2-3 days of use, so not entirely sure.. But I've had little issues with it.
NICE FIND! I hope it's true, if so it sounds like the EVO may get the same quality as the iPhone....
thumb friendly
I think multitouch on a phone is over rated. It's an inconvenient gimmick. I prefer operations that can be done one handed. I'd rather double tap to zoom so I don't spill my coffee on my phone.
keatre said:
News article quote I found..
http://www.thestreet.com/story/10723835/1/ipad-boom-could-catapult-small-chipmaker.html
I've only played with the iPad at work, and not extensively, but the thing has a pretty dang good responsive touchscreen. Again, this is from 2-3 days of use, so not entirely sure.. But I've had little issues with it.
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If the news is true that HTC Supersonic uses the same screen as iPhone, then I'll be extremely happy. Everyone knows iPhone still have the best touch screen technology, although that technology is 3 years old now. There as a robotic test done to compare the various screen. You should be able to google it and find the test report.
Manicmobileaddict said:
I think multitouch on a phone is over rated. It's an inconvenient gimmick. I prefer operations that can be done one handed. I'd rather double tap to zoom so I don't spill my coffee on my phone.
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I have to respectfully disagree with you.
Multitouch is fantastic if the software developers knows how to use it. My web browser in iPhone is an example of where multitouch has been put to good use. Double finger left to go the previous tab, double finger right to go the next tab, three fingers to bring up the favourites, etc, etc. On full screen, where you do not want any button to clutter the web page, such possibility is pure joy. Another example, you could have a music player where you can double finger left to go to previous song, double finger right to go to next song, three fingers up to use the next playlist, etc. You can safely use the music player like this while driving!
I guess I'll jump into the frey. The iPhone set the standard when there wasn't one. Apple has done a monumental job on it's portable devices, where, arguably, their computers could have had broader appeal - but I digress.
My HD2 has some very nice features, but it took me a month to get used to the capacitive screen, with and without the touch sensitivity tweaks available in the HD2 forum. The pinch to zoom functions work well in opera (I don't use PIE), but other applications, like media player are not suited for this functions, even though it works using a homegrown app posted on the HD2 forum.
I'm guessing the EVO will have the same, non AMOLED, TFT capacitive screen the HD2 has. I've seen the HD2 next to the iPhone in sunlight. iPhone absolutely blows the HD2 away, so I try my best to stay out of the light. I live in the NW US, so that's not usually a problem.
I've found the back hardkey button works nicely for previous browser or application screen, but lack of forward function in the browser is quite frustrating.
One last thing. In most states driving while using headphone is illegal. Please do so safely with one eye out for the police.
So I'm a bit confused here... The HTC Evo and HD2 have the same screen, yeah? So the HD2 has the amtel chip... Would we then be able to say all the trouble with HD2 screen (see prev poster) will also come with the EVO?
Doesnt the HD2 have the same clearpad 2000 touch screen as our nexus ones? If so then how come its touch screen's mulitouch out performs the Nexus Ones?
HD2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgrsq2-Vy7Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXNY6ssujo&feature=related
Nexus One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzhUzq6bTPg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds5qZ_3XRzI
I really hope that they both have the same touch screens because if they do..that means our touch screen problem is fixable software not permanent hardware
bobdude5 said:
Doesnt the HD2 have the same clearpad 2000 touch screen as our nexus ones? If so then how come its touch screen's mulitouch out performs the Nexus Ones?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgrsq2-Vy7Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXNY6ssujo&feature=related
I really hope that they both have the same touch screens because if they do..that means our touch screen problem is fixable software not permanent hardware
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clearly you do not know what problems our touch screen really has...
watch those videos again... notice how there is a jump when the points cross axes... your nexus does this too...
the calibration touch issue is just something to do with either the screen or simply poor coding of the recalibration when the phone gets rotated... the real issue is still shown in those videos and that is when fingers make a motion and "cross axes" and the points "jump" to be in line with each other because the touch screen recognizes inputs based on x and y inputs....
I have come to just accept the reality... the touch screens on our phones blow, plain and simple... I only hope that they put out a version of the 3000 that I can install myself down the road because not being able to play alot of games that require multi-touch and axis crossing with accuracy is a huge let down for me and this phone...
yes but the nexus seems much worse
bobdude5 said:
yes but the nexus seems much worse
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Yes, i agree. There wasn't any axis flipping, and i don't believe those tests were just "lucky" to not have flipping. Are they actually the SAME touchscreen? Could this be a possible fix of some sort? I don't have my nexus yet, (I do have a G1 so i know how the touch screen reacts) but i do want better multi touch when it comes,if possible
bobdude5 said:
Doesnt the HD2 have the same clearpad 2000 touch screen as our nexus ones? If so then how come its touch screen's mulitouch out performs the Nexus Ones?
HD2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgrsq2-Vy7Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXNY6ssujo&feature=related
Nexus One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzhUzq6bTPg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds5qZ_3XRzI
I really hope that they both have the same touch screens because if they do..that means our touch screen problem is fixable software not permanent hardware
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ive played with multitouch on the hd2 and it does not feel as fluid as the nexus one. and i never notice any weird crap happen while multiyouching in apps, so these videos are worthless. seems like a software issue to me more than anything
JHaste said:
clearly you do not know what problems our touch screen really has...
watch those videos again... notice how there is a jump when the points cross axes... your nexus does this too...
the calibration touch issue is just something to do with either the screen or simply poor coding of the recalibration when the phone gets rotated... the real issue is still shown in those videos and that is when fingers make a motion and "cross axes" and the points "jump" to be in line with each other because the touch screen recognizes inputs based on x and y inputs....
I have come to just accept the reality... the touch screens on our phones blow, plain and simple... I only hope that they put out a version of the 3000 that I can install myself down the road because not being able to play alot of games that require multi-touch and axis crossing with accuracy is a huge let down for me and this phone...
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thank you for agreeing lol... sadly this is the reality... everyone should really just accept it...
if you refute and want to think differently, watch the videos again and there is a very decisive JUMP of the 2 touch points when they either get close to lining up in either the x or y coordinate or if they simply get too close together... the switching to the inverse is a whole other story prolly having to do with the screen not being able to register the movement fast enough and accurately so it guesses the motion and again fails miserably...
Uhm... You know, its not Multitouch.
Lets call it Dual-Touch
"Pinch-to-Zoom" is way more fluid/smooth on the Nexus One.
JHaste said:
thank you for agreeing lol... sadly this is the reality... everyone should really just accept it...
if you refute and want to think differently, watch the videos again and there is a very decisive JUMP of the 2 touch points when they either get close to lining up in either the x or y coordinate or if they simply get too close together... the switching to the inverse is a whole other story prolly having to do with the screen not being able to register the movement fast enough and accurately so it guesses the motion and again fails miserably...
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Yeah, I use to call BS then I accepted the fact that we have a old touchscreen, thanks HTC. Beats the X10 thought, that thing fails hard, not even pinch to zoom hardware support lol!
z3ntn3l said:
Uhm... You know, its not Multitouch.
Lets call it Dual-Touch
"Pinch-to-Zoom" is way more fluid/smooth on the Nexus One.
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i am not even pleased with pinch to zoom to be honest... i hate to say it but the iphone has way more fluid pinch-zoom
JHaste said:
i am not even pleased with pinch to zoom to be honest... i hate to say it but the iphone has way more fluid pinch-zoom
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Double tap is way better for zooming into specific areas of a page instantly. Plus it resizes contents perfectly.