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Upgrading: A Way to Escape AIM Charges?

I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.

hidavi said:
I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.
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You have tp PAY when you are using wifi????
when gprs isn´t connected and you are using wifi - that COULD not happen in my eyes.
BUT often when GPRS is connected AND wifi also the programs go through GPRS!!!!!! ths the problem. allways disconnect GPRS!
there is a liitle app "MoDaCo - Nodata" that prevents GPRS for connecting - if you don´t wish it to...

Trust me. I had the GPRS connection deleted from the connection manager. It could not connect thru there at all. I even called them and they said themselves, "there's a portion of the IM that travels thru T-Mobile" They wouldn't tell me for what, just that it has to. Bull**** because when I'm using hacked AIM 2.0 (they block the official AIM 2.0.), guess what? No AIM charges...
But I hate AIM 2.0. The software is ancient and therefore annoying.

How does Tmobile charge you for the AIM message? As data? As a sms?
Like the other guy, I dont understand how Tmobile would even "know" your aiming if you are doing so via WAN. Hmmmmm strange.

hidavi said:
I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.
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what you said means that Hard SPL " Sim Unclock Herald" Is that true? !!!

chris30_2001 said:
How does Tmobile charge you for the AIM message? As data? As a sms?
Like the other guy, I dont understand how Tmobile would even "know" your aiming if you are doing so via WAN. Hmmmmm strange.
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Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.

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Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.
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I swear, my OZ messenger would not work if I wasn't on Wifi.

duprade said:
Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.
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Yeah thats exactly the way I understand it. I figured b/c he was talking about going over wireless he was using IM+ or something.
hidavi, have you tried a third party program like IM+ ??

Doesn't matter, they still charge thru IM+. I know cuz for a whole month I used IM+ thru wifi and I got overaged $80 for AIM messages. I swear, if I'm not on data or wifi, my IMs won't go thru, not thru OZ not thru IM+.

This is from a product review
What I didn't know is that it is not a true online instant messenger application. Behind the scenes, it sends instant messages using SMS, and on the other person's end, repackages those SMS messages into the IM application. It seems like a novel idea, but the side effects are awful: OZ Messenger's ability to stay "connected" for chat, report the online/offline status of others, and report YOUR status as online/offline is hit or miss. Sending and receiving messages is also very unreliable. During the three days I struggled through this, roughly half of my messages weren't sent due to a "network error", despite having 4 or 5 bars and a full EDGE connection. (Side note - I'm also worried T-Mobile will bill me for SMS usage when I used this instant messenger)

hidavi said:
Doesn't matter, they still charge thru IM+. I know cuz for a whole month I used IM+ thru wifi and I got overaged $80 for AIM messages. I swear, if I'm not on data or wifi, my IMs won't go thru, not thru OZ not thru IM+.
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Wow doode.....that sucks....

Well, I'm not getting charged nowadays since I'm using hacked AIM 2.0, but I really wish this program had a Today plugin and a easier to use interface...

From what I found in the guts of the registry, OzIM uses a T-Mobile server as a portal for the IM system. Since every IM you send filters through their server, they have full control to see where and what you are sending, saying, seeing, etc, even if you are on a WiFi connection.
I've seen several recommendations for alternate IM systems that Don't Suck. Slick was recommended by somebody, but I haven't personally tried it yet.

MMS problems on Vodafone UK

Would any other members who are on Vodafone UK please let me know if they can send MMS messages. I have tried both contract and pay as you go sims, I can receive MMS messages but cannot send them. I would be grateful for any information to resolve this problem.

belfastbob said:
Would any other members who are on Vodafone UK please let me know if they can send MMS messages. I have tried both contract and pay as you go sims, I can receive MMS messages but cannot send them. I would be grateful for any information to resolve this problem.
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I wonder if this is related to my issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618218
According to this (I can't verify if it's out of date or not), Vodafone's MMS limit is 100k. If you want, you can try using Handcent Sms from the market, which severely reduces the file size (therefore the resolution and quality of the picture) before sending out an MMS. I'm curious to see if you're having the same issue as me. If you do, the stock messaging program has a pretty huge flaw in it which needs to be addressed.
Tell me how it goes.

TaFFeR said:
I wonder if this is related to my issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618218
According to this (I can't verify if it's out of date or not), Vodafone's MMS limit is 100k. If you want, you can try using Handcent Sms from the market, which severely reduces the file size (therefore the resolution and quality of the picture) before sending out an MMS. I'm curious to see if you're having the same issue as me. If you do, the stock messaging program has a pretty huge flaw in it which needs to be addressed.
Tell me how it goes.
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Thanks for the info, I croped the picture I was sending using the Album App, I croped it down to 14k and resent it but it still wont send.

belfastbob said:
Thanks for the info, I croped the picture I was sending using the Album App, I croped it down to 14k and resent it but it still wont send.
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Hmmm I was really hoping that would be the issue
I tried to do some research, and it seemed like some Hero users were having the same issue as you. See if this helps you at all: http://androidforums.com/htc-hero/7776-mms-vodafone.html

The key would be this quote:
"All Vodafone Numbers MMS is deactivated At network level by default , you need to Ring customer services up on 191 Free of charge and ask them to Activate it"
I'm surprised they do it that way - it always used to be that the first MMS you sent activated your account automatically.

TonyHoyle said:
The key would be this quote:
"All Vodafone Numbers MMS is deactivated At network level by default , you need to Ring customer services up on 191 Free of charge and ask them to Activate it"
I'm surprised they do it that way - it always used to be that the first MMS you sent activated your account automatically.
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I think I had been down this way before but rang Customer Services again just to make sure. The guy at Vodafone first asked for my number which he checked and said that it was already activated for mms and internet, he then asked for make and model of phone, this is the good bit, he has never heard of this phone and it is not on their database so no support. I told him that they would be supporting this phone in the very near future, he said that if that is true I should just wait until that happens and ring back then.
What is it that makes it so difficult to send a flippin picture message

belfastbob said:
, he then asked for make and model of phone, this is the good bit, he has never heard of this phone and it is not on their database so no support. I told him that they would be supporting this phone in the very near future, he said that if that is true I should just wait until that happens and ring back then.
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tell him you have a Vodafone Magic ... its a supported Android phone on Vodafone and the menus are identical so if he wants to talk you through setting anything up then no problem.
If he has to set anything network side to work on Voda then no problem either

Wifi Texting?

Are there any apps for the HD2 where you can text over wifi?

I think your best option would be to download AIM for Windows Mobile (it's in the marketplace and it's free) or a IM client that supports AIM. Then go to aim.com to create an account, launch the AIM or IM client program, sign in, add your friend's/family's number (including area code), and talk away! Be sure to tell them who you are since the text message that they will be receive will show your screen name (unless you use your name as your screen name). Hope this helps

atn_chargers said:
I think your best option would be to download AIM for Windows Mobile (it's in the marketplace and it's free) or a IM client that supports AIM. Then go to aim.com to create an account, launch the AIM or IM client program, sign in, add your friend's/family's number (including area code), and talk away! Be sure to tell them who you are since the text message that they will be receive will show your screen name (unless you use your name as your screen name). Hope this helps
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Ive already done this, but thanks anyway!

soopahsteve said:
Ive already done this, but thanks anyway!
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So it doesn't work? Or are you just looking for an alternative option?

soopahsteve said:
Ive already done this, but thanks anyway!
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So it doesn't work? Or are you just looking for an alternative option?

atn_chargers said:
So it doesn't work? Or are you just looking for an alternative option?
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I think hes after something that will let you send a SMS over wifi for free, but it will be revieved by the other person as a normal SMS.
However, i might be wrong

lonelykatana said:
I think hes after something that will let you send a SMS over wifi for free, but it will be revieved by the other person as a normal SMS.
However, i might be wrong
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AIM let's you send SMS over wifi for free. When the other person receives the text, it will just say "Sent from AIM (Screen name)". Although one problem that comes to mind would be teh fact that the other person won't be able to send him a SMS unless he is logged in? Or it might show up later when he signs in. But it would definitely not notify him automatically that he has an incoming message unless he is logged in.

atn_chargers said:
AIM let's you send SMS over wifi for free. When the other person receives the text, it will just say "Sent from AIM (Screen name)". Although one problem that comes to mind would be teh fact that the other person won't be able to send him a SMS unless he is logged in? Or it might show up later when he signs in. But it would definitely not notify him automatically that he has an incoming message unless he is logged in.
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But I guess AIM is only available for US only and therefore this person must be looking for free services for other countries.

nicedude_abad said:
But I guess AIM is only available for US only and therefore this person must be looking for free services for other countries.
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Good point! The search continues to find an answer for my fellow HD2er.

atn_chargers said:
So it doesn't work? Or are you just looking for an alternative option?
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It does work, but I am in fact, looking for a possibly native app like text free plus for the iPhone
lonelykatana said:
I think hes after something that will let you send a SMS over wifi for free, but it will be revieved by the other person as a normal SMS.
However, i might be wrong
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Yer right.
nicedude_abad said:
But I guess AIM is only available for US only and therefore this person must be looking for free services for other countries.
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No, I aim works for me out of country, but I am in the US.... Sooooooooooo.

Some email accounts support this too. I know I've received SMS from att.net and yahoo.com users and was able to reply via SMS to them. Google also supports SMS via google talk worldwide.

Phantoms said:
Some email accounts support this too. I know I've received SMS from att.net and yahoo.com users and was able to reply via SMS to them.
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Yeah, I was just googling my question, and I came up with a website that told me to set a mail2web account and use microsoft's direct push to send SMS through wifi.

I feel your pain, I assume you want SMS via Wi-Fi due to no coverage where you are.
unfortunately its not possible in the traditional sense as SMS are transmitted via the network, not the internet. So for an SMS to be delivered (and sent) you need to be connected to your carriers network.
If the HD2 were UMA compliant we wouldn't have any issues, since its not the chances this will ever work are slim/none. Sorry

Use palringo for mobile, it's great!
(supports AIM, MSN, Google Talk, etc. etc. and looks good)

soopahsteve said:
Yeah, I was just googling my question, and I came up with a website that told me to set a mail2web account and use microsoft's direct push to send SMS through wifi.
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With my provider (T-Mobile USA), I can send SMS from the web. I have to log into My.T-Mobile.com (faq here) which I can do with my phone from any wifi access point. So it's basically accessing the internet on the phone via wifi to send a SMS. On the phone I can make a link to this page which means one click to send a SMS from the web. I can also access this same feature from any computer.
Check with your cell provider and see if they offer something similar.

Cannot receive MMS (Cyanogen) Not APN problem..

I have been having this problem for 6 months, finally its annoyed me to the point of asking for more help. If i take my SIM out of my phone and put it in my wifes, i can get picture messages no problem. if the SIM is in my s4 then i cannot. i will get an error message half our later saying message could not be downloaded.
I have verified my APN information, it matches exactly with what telus says it should be, and with what it on my wifes phone. Ive also talked to telus who couldnt do anything more to help me. everything is good on their end, and like i said it works when my sim is in my wifes phone, and we have the same APN settings.
I would love to be able to get pictures in texts, everyone sends them to me and i can never view them.
another issue is that i canont send picture messages unless i turn off wi-fi. if i dont it wont send and will eventually come back saying ti could not send. if wifi is off, sends no problem. i dont so much care about this one, but if anyone knows...
Thanks in advance!

anyone?

jpom1983 said:
I have been having this problem for 6 months, finally its annoyed me to the point of asking for more help. If i take my SIM out of my phone and put it in my wifes, i can get picture messages no problem. if the SIM is in my s4 then i cannot. i will get an error message half our later saying message could not be downloaded.
I have verified my APN information, it matches exactly with what telus says it should be, and with what it on my wifes phone. Ive also talked to telus who couldnt do anything more to help me. everything is good on their end, and like i said it works when my sim is in my wifes phone, and we have the same APN settings.
I would love to be able to get pictures in texts, everyone sends them to me and i can never view them.
another issue is that i canont send picture messages unless i turn off wi-fi. if i dont it wont send and will eventually come back saying ti could not send. if wifi is off, sends no problem. i dont so much care about this one, but if anyone knows...
Thanks in advance!
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Make sure mobile data is enabled and/or you have your messaging app set to automatically download/enable data for downloads or whatever. MMS can only be sent over mobile data and sometimes it needs to be enabled manually to send and recieve.

Hehe GUI setting is not going to solve your problem, can you attach your /system/csc/customer.xml file please, I know exactly what's your problem m8

DeadlySin9 said:
Make sure mobile data is enabled and/or you have your messaging app set to automatically download/enable data for downloads or whatever. MMS can only be sent over mobile data and sometimes it needs to be enabled manually to send and recieve.
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its on. internet works, maps work. everything works. except i cant get pics in texts.

App..
jpom1983 said:
anyone?
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App Tweakker Play Store luck...:good:

Two different things have made this happen for me.
1. Adblock plus app
-made mms not with at all
2. Turning on the text with Google hangouts when you initially setup your phone.
-when turned on, messed up all my mms
Check these, how this helps
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using xda app-developers app

Question about a particular scenario - talk, data, and MMS at same time?

The group that I work with spends a lot of time on conference calls together, and lots of time sending group text messages to each other. We often need to be researching something on our phone at the same time.
We have one guy on Verizon and he won't get any texts until he hangs up his iPhone.
We have another guy on Sprint that will get individual texts during a phone call, but not group texts or picture texts on his iPhone.
I'm on AT&T with an HTC M8 and I'm able to do all three at the same time. So is another AT&T iPhone and a Galaxy S6 in the group.
I think this is a network issue, but I'm not sure.
Can anyone on AT&T confirm that this phone is able to send/receive group text messages while simultaneously using voice and data?
Thanks!

DaTrueDave said:
The group that I work with spends a lot of time on conference calls together, and lots of time sending group text messages to each other. We often need to be researching something on our phone at the same time.
We have one guy on Verizon and he won't get any texts until he hangs up his iPhone.
We have another guy on Sprint that will get individual texts during a phone call, but not group texts or picture texts on his iPhone.
I'm on AT&T with an HTC M8 and I'm able to do all three at the same time. So is another AT&T iPhone and a Galaxy S6 in the group.
I think this is a network issue, but I'm not sure.
Can anyone on AT&T confirm that this phone is able to send/receive group text messages while simultaneously using voice and data?
Thanks!
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Use WebEx.

I have no idea what WebEx is, nor do I want some cobbled solution. I want a phone that does what I need it to do.

I don't have the phone, but I think I saw somewhere that you can try the phone for free for 30 days and if you don't like it you can return it to ZTE.

Does anyone having problem with sending MMS? I can use data for everything else but can't send/receive MMS. Texts and calls function as normal though. I'm on GSM Ecomobile which is basically T-Mobile. Thanks.

paulthuong said:
Does anyone having problem with sending MMS? I can use data for everything else but can't send/receive MMS. Texts and calls function as normal though. I'm on GSM Ecomobile which is basically T-Mobile. Thanks.
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The APN you're using most likely does not have Ecomobile's MMS server address. Get Ecomobile's APN info and create a new APN with that info.

DaTrueDave said:
The group that I work with spends a lot of time on conference calls together, and lots of time sending group text messages to each other. We often need to be researching something on our phone at the same time.
We have one guy on Verizon and he won't get any texts until he hangs up his iPhone.
We have another guy on Sprint that will get individual texts during a phone call, but not group texts or picture texts on his iPhone.
I'm on AT&T with an HTC M8 and I'm able to do all three at the same time. So is another AT&T iPhone and a Galaxy S6 in the group.
I think this is a network issue, but I'm not sure.
Can anyone on AT&T confirm that this phone is able to send/receive group text messages while simultaneously using voice and data?
Thanks!
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i'm not with AT&T (i'm with TMO) but yes the ZTE Axon 7 (of course you are here for a reason) DOES SUPPORT VOICE / DATA at the same time, i do it all the time...searching something on the internet while talking on phone and even sending MMS while talking over the phone....
P.S. i use headphones so is easy to Talk while doing something else specially those long waiting times grrrr hate those calls LoL

DrakenFX said:
i'm not with AT&T (i'm with TMO) but yes the ZTE Axon 7 (of course you are here for a reason) DOES SUPPORT VOICE / DATA at the same time, i do it all the time...searching something on the internet while talking on phone and even sending MMS while talking over the phone....
P.S. i use headphones so is easy to Talk while doing something else specially those long waiting times grrrr hate those calls LoL
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Voice and data at the same time is very different from voice and MMS at the same time. Verizon can do voice/data, but not voice/MMS. Thanks for confirming.

DaTrueDave said:
Voice and data at the same time is very different from voice and MMS at the same time. Verizon can do voice/data, but not voice/MMS. Thanks for confirming.
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that's the reason why i added this
searching something on the internet while talking on phone and even sending MMS while talking over the phone....
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but yeah some carriers accept some things and others not....so is cool Tmo service allowing all those 3 at the same time if anyone needs it.

xtermmin said:
The APN you're using most likely does not have Ecomobile's MMS server address. Get Ecomobile's APN info and create a new APN with that info.
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I figured it out. One of my APN protocol was IPv4 instead of IPv6