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dissassemble the wizard

I want to dissassemble my wizard for painting. (yes i really do). Has anyone taken it apart yet, or will I be the first?

people have taken it apart.. where's that thread, hmmm...
Ah, yes:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=31755
http://www.howardforums.com/showpost.php?p=6298030&postcount=27
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=377474
Not too much info, but there you go. If you do take yours apart, take lots of pictures - you'll be an instant hero

Most paints will wear off very quickly and maybe make it look a bit unsightly, do you have a particular paint in mind?
And yes - please take many pics and post back with details of the procedure.

Not necessarily...
If you use a lacquer based paint - it will "etch" itself into the plastic. IF you use enamel - yes, it will wear off quickly and most likely be "unsightly".
Make sure you steel wool it first to rough it up and sand between coats. When you are satisfied with the look - sand once again with very fine paper - like 600 grit or finer - then - spray with a couple of coats of clear. It will look great!
I use to run a guitar shop - building repairing and refinishing. This will take some time - but it will look great.
Shep

Sounds good.
Will be interested to see the results when fp has finished it.

Interested too

NO NO NO NO
I took my JAM apart to paint it, and it was never the same again. I HIGHLY recommend against this, you'll regret it.

Echilon, sorry to hear that mate...
i fink the standard silver face looks decent...(MDA)

Thing is... how did you take it apart? I mean without injuring the plastics.

Echilon said:
I took my JAM apart to paint it, and it was never the same again.
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In what way was it never the same again?

Hi Guys ,
I dissassemble my wizard tody ,I will post some pictures ,But I recommend not to do it ,as said (it will never the same again)
and if you insist to do it (THEN DO IT ON YOUR OWN RISK)
I just fixed the styles (It is not loose anymore)

ZeBoxx said:
Echilon said:
I took my JAM apart to paint it, and it was never the same again.
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In what way was it never the same again?
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It didn't fit back together properly and the battery cover used to hang half off. Aswell as that, the paint chipped eventually, but thankfully it got lost in the post and I got my money back from the post office

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but thankfully it got lost in the post and I got my money back from the post office
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LoL

Hmm interesting, I am jsut researching paints, does seem a laquer is the way to go. Guys who have taken it apart, your saying "its never the same again" Why, is there glue? Any experiance most welcome, I've built a mac tibook from 9 different donors and I am pretty good with my torx set, the only thing i hate is glue....

balo said:
I just fixed the styles (It is not loose anymore)
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did you do anything special or cram something to hold the plastic back in place?
I'm just getting ready to tear it apart just to fix this issue and any help would be greatly appreciated.
-Mc

I've repaired about 80 remote controls, and I highly suspect that most of the "never the same again" is related to wrangled plastic when trying to undo the 'click' system. If you have a ( Edit: http://www.noordhollandinbouw.nl/images/bankschroef.jpg ) and a very thin screw driver, these are pretty easy to open up without any wrangling/cracking. The other issue is paint getting inbetween seams - the device has to fit back together, so you need to keep the paint clear of those %)
Other than that, I really see no reason why it wouldn't be perfectly fitting back together with the only difference being the paintjob.
Maybe one of the two guys who mentioned this can give exact details?

Hi guys,
Actually when I said (it will never the same again) I did not mean it is impossible mission, but it need a high caution and steady hand (No glued parts) ,don’t try to open it hardly (it might break) with all that a scratch here or there will happened ,but still if any of you opened it safely and get it painted then everything will be fine.
About the stylus, yes I put 2 pieces of plastic between the cover and the stylus black encasement.
Thanks

Balo, can you explain how you unclipped the plastic cover. Is there a specific side to start on? How did you lever the part apart - finger nails or small screw driver? As much detail please as I want fix my stylus.

Was it hard to take of the faceplate? I need a new faceplate put on my 8125. Can you advise? Thanks!

so no pictures yet of the paintjob?

Wizard loosing stylus - total solution ;-)

Sorry, only in czech language yet, because I have no time to translate it yet. Maybe pictures will helps you understandt it little bit.
http://www.ce4you.cz/articles/detail.asp?a=263

I couldn't understand what's the point. Can you explain shortly what's the idea?

The Proble;
You have a loose fittign stylus that over time has gotten to the point of falling out on its own.
The goal:
Stop loosing styli.
Hope that helps; Lew

The reason the stylus falls out is that the plastic retainer cracks.
The pictures show how using a slice of an eraser jammed into the gap will help retention.
OK, that much I get, but where does the little metal spring part come from and what does it do (or is it a bit that's already there)?
John

jko said:
The reason the stylus falls out is that the plastic retainer cracks.
The pictures show how using a slice of an eraser jammed into the gap will help retention.
OK, that much I get, but where does the little metal spring part come from and what does it do (or is it a bit that's already there)?
John
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It lookes like the metal piece is part of the housing. He may be trying to point out how it goes back in place. Things like that have a tendancy to "spring" out of position as you open up a housing w/out giving you a chance to see where they go back to. That is if you can even find them once they hit the floor. Lots of little pieces that if lost can really ruin your day.
I'm a little worried about the VOID warranty sticker covering one of the internal screws. Also, looks like the guy dinged up his housing trying to pry it open.
It is the best fix I've seen so far for the problem. If you can get that VOID sticker pealed back and replaced w/out somebody being able to notice, you should be able to keep your warranty intact should you ever need it.
Ingenuis solution.

Although I dont have this problem (yet) I am going to add this little link to here. It is where you can get the PDF manual (disassembly and reassembly), I think it is way easier to follow then the web tutorial, you can just look back and forth to fix the styli thing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=43836
Later; Lew

Manufacturing / design defect (clear plastic)

I have my X7500 now for a week, and am a satisfied customer.
Except for one thing: after only a week the clear plastic on my keyboard is misted all over because it is scratching so heavily from useage (when you click the machine into the keyboard, especially in the case, it is almost unavoidable the clear plastic part will be scratched by the machine).
I have sent HTC a message that this is not acceptable for a € 1000 machine, and customer service will come back to me.
You must all have this same issue, can you please comment?

Doodle said:
I have my X7500 now for a week, and am a satisfied customer.
Except for one thing: after only a week the clear plastic on my keyboard is misted all over because it is scratching so heavily from useage (when you click the machine into the keaybord, especially in the case, it is almost unavoidable the clear plastic part will be scratched by the machine).
I have sent HTC a message that this is not acceptable for a € 1000 machine, and customer service will come back to me.
You must all have this same issue, can you please comment?
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Yep - mine is the same. Disappointed that the keyboard doesn't really fit comfortably in the case on the front of the device either (slips to one side or the other..).

the case is indeed not good, but this can be expected, you will need to buy a good case from a third party vendor. Piel Frama will have first samples in about 2 weeks, and I will guarantee you up front they will fit perfectly...

Try using a screen protector on that part ,thats what i'm planning of doing. i will try it and let you guys know how it goes.

I agree with that potential solution, but then HTC will at least need to replace the keyboard with a unscratched one

Doodle said:
I have my X7500 now for a week, and am a satisfied customer.
Except for one thing: after only a week the clear plastic on my keyboard is misted all over because it is scratching so heavily from useage.
You must all have this same issue, can you please comment?
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Slight scratches, I noticed it happening and altered how I handled the device. Also the PDair case I'm using seems to have less of a problem with it. I don't use the keyboard as a cover, of course, because it is in a case (though as in the comment after yours, the supplied case is VERY annoying in the way that the keyboard slips from one side to the other).
What can they do, though? It's partly due to the way people slide the Athena "around" to drop into the keyboard, rather than lifting it. I personally find the whole "viewing window" business utterly redundant - I can't see it in the case, it wastes backlight (whole display illuminated).

Doodle said:
the case is indeed not good, but this can be expected, you will need to buy a good case from a third party vendor. Piel Frama will have first samples in about 2 weeks, and I will guarantee you up front they will fit perfectly...
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Why, are they using a magentic attachment for the keyboard? Because the PDair case sucks after a couple of weeks of light use; the plastic distorts and presses several keys at once.
I want a case with a phrase custom-embossed on it

You could always fit a body shield - protects that part perfectly.

I've had the same problem
I've attached a picture of my keyboard to show the problem. In my case, it appears the scratching is coming from the relatively sharp chrome/metal "frame" around the screen. It's slighly proud (above) of the black plastic surface and when the keyboard is moved over the device it scrapes/gouges the clear plastic. My current plan is to just wait until it's gouged out all the plastic and then polish the clear plastic smooth again. But is sure would be nice to have a more appropriate fix from HTC for such and expensive device.

RichardKAthena said:
..... I personally find the whole "viewing window" business utterly redundant - I can't see it in the case, it wastes backlight (whole display illuminated).
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Yep - I have never taken mine out of the case so to be fair, I can live with the scratches on the clear plastic.
I did however cut off the 'Pen Loops' that are supposed to hold it shut - they got annoying after a couple of days.

apphoen said:
Yep - I have never taken mine out of the case so to be fair, I can live with the scratches on the clear plastic.
I did however cut off the 'Pen Loops' that are supposed to hold it shut - they got annoying after a couple of days.
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Sorry, what bit did you cut off?

jmdrizen said:
Sorry, what bit did you cut off?
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The loops on the case which you are supposed to put the supplied pen through to hold it shut.
Crappy design, they had to go.

apphoen said:
The loops on the case which you are supposed to put the supplied pen through to hold it shut.
Crappy design, they had to go.
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Thank God the DOPOD one doesn't have this pen loop, otherwise i will be cutting it off too.

wu5262 said:
Thank God the DOPOD one doesn't have this pen loop, otherwise i will be cutting it off too.
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Me too, glad i got the dopod now!

I've had my unit 10 days and it looks a lot older, I've used novus 1 and 2 to succesfully clean my plastic to look new again.

i tried the screen protector and it looks great. i will post some pics 2maro.

Does anyone have it on the T-Mobile Ameo or the Dopod?
Or is it just on the black HTC branded ones?
Not had this problem on my T-Mob Ameo and I've had that for over 2 months now...

rhedgehog said:
Does anyone have it on the T-Mobile Ameo or the Dopod?
Or is it just on the black HTC branded ones?
Not had this problem on my T-Mob Ameo and I've had that for over 2 months now...
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I've had two Ameo's and both are fine, I think it's what was mentioned before, if you lift and clip it's fine, but if you drag it over and click....

Scratched Diamond Screen ??

the diamond,as we all know has a very weak screen..anything will make a permanent scratch,even your fingernail !....the point is once scratched it looks terrible...the only soultion (so far) is to install the white mannila theme http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433050
as this completely hides all the scratches...more white/grey /light coloured themes would really help all thoses scratched diamonds out there..so theme makers please do some variations on light/white coloured themes as the scratch problem will only get worse !

That's why there are Screen Protectors.

The screen protector is rubbish too though, i have scratches on mine that have gone through that to the screen.

We all know that accidents can happen to scratch the touch screens but if people just use the inside of their fingers or use the Stylus you shouldn't have a problem. I never have even after 5 touch screen PDA/Phones.

This might be worth a shot:
http://www.amazon.com/Allsop-CD-Scratch-Repair-Kit/dp/B000056NNB
Or you can try furniture polish

Shaady said:
The screen protector is rubbish too though, i have scratches on mine that have gone through that to the screen.
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What the hell are you doing to your screen to get deep scratches like that?
Razor blades do not make good stylus

gobmonster said:
What the hell are you doing to your screen to get deep scratches like that?
Razor blades do not make good stylus
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I'm wondering the same!!!

Have you considered using a nail file, keeps everything smooooooth

jamesd256 said:
This might be worth a shot:
http://www.amazon.com/Allsop-CD-Scratch-Repair-Kit/dp/B000056NNB
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Those things actually work by grinding down the surface layer so that the scratch is less diffractive. I seriously wouldn't use that on your phone, unless you want to destroy it completely.

I was under the impression you can send it off to have the sreen repaired.
Surely you can polish scratches out?

flinx1 said:
Those things actually work by grinding down the surface layer so that the scratch is less diffractive. I seriously wouldn't use that on your phone, unless you want to destroy it completely.
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thats how most polishes work... they either fill it in or take a little bit off the surface.
the best i have found with previous devices is Acrylic Polish (like very fine T-Cut)
you wont break the device using it!

I used toothpaste and a soft cloth, to buff out light scratches from my diamond, it wont completely erase them, but it helps

My mates Dad just jabs at his screen with his car keys, it makes me cringe to think about it.

Surprisingly I took a dremel tool and put a cotton bit on the end, cranked the bugger to full speed and melted the scratch away. Need to be careful with how you do it but it does work. I suppose if you just go right at it and not pay close enough attention you'd warp the screen though...

Rubbercoating is pealing off

Hi,
i got my HD2 for 3 weeks and now the rubber on the right upper corner is pealing off. I don´t see the reason for this problem, because i handle the device very carefully ...carrying in a leather pocket (org. from) and keep it in my pants. It don´t look like "scratched of" more like seperating from the phone
My provider is going to change my device, but my question is - is there any similar behavior at any of your HD2s ?
Thank you in advantage!

I am assuming you have EU HD2 and by rubberclothing you mean rubber coating of the phone itself?
Thats really odd... can you take a picture of the damage?

Hi,
thank you for your reply.
yepp, your right - its an EU one (T-Mobile_LEO) ... and yepp i mean the coating (this word came not in my mind)
I can´t provide a picture, because i have no access to a digicam for now (only the one in the phone)
It looks like the device were fallen on sand or crushed stones (with high velocity) but its not ...
many imprints little on a 5x5mm square at the middle of the upper edge (looks like its pealing of), the rest of the area is intact. (a position where it is imposible to cause such damage by falling anyway)

no problems here after a couple of months
these coatings are normally very thin and often wear off over time, but not that quick. sounds like you have just found a bad one

probobly caused by sliding in and out of the case, or rubbing in your pocket.
i got a telstra hd2 and dont really know if it has paint or the rubber coating-im guessing paint. either way, rubber coating or paint, it will have some wear and tear if you keep sliding it in and out of the leather case or putting it in your pocket.
just think of it as cosmetic damage and not physical. our phones wont stay new forever. the minute you drop it, or get some scratches, you wont really care anymore

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the minute you drop it, or get some scratches, you wont really care anymore
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I totally agree with you 100% on this one! There are too many people out there who cherish their beautiful gadgets, but once they drop it or they make a scratch to it, they treat it like ****.
I noticed this alot from ipod and iphone users. They have oh-so-beautiful cases, but once a sand grain gets between the condom and the plastic, and a scratch is made, they don't tend to care much about is anymore like they used to.

Pliskinius said:
Hi,
thank you for your reply.
yepp, your right - its an EU one (T-Mobile_LEO) ... and yepp i mean the coating (this word came not in my mind)
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Okay, I have no idea what you are talking about. Which version do you have? the EU one or the T-mobile one?
Do you have the word "T-MOBILE" on your device at all?

I've had my Euro (NOT A TMOBILE) Hd2 for 5 month now and it is in perfect condition using the leather case it came with. And I mean, no scratches. I rate it 9.5/10.
Not only that, my scale for rating phone conditions is VERY RIGOROUS. A single hairline scratch makes it 8/10. No compromising.
I am very protective of my device. I dont know what you guys are going with your device, but hell,

Rubber coating will come off eventually my BB is completely gone, but a few months is way too short though unless it was used mostly in a construction site!

A lot of things interact with rubber coatings - esp hand santizer but the worst is hand cream. Both contain isopropyl alcohol which is a solvent and it will soften paint over time. Other things like brake fluid and other household cleaners are deadly.
People complain all the time about the rubberized coating pealing off the rubberized buttons on Mercedes and BMW's that have the coating on the steering wheel buttons. Personally never use sanitizers and hand cream and I have ZERO problems with mice which are coated and my cars. Since the coating on the phone is similar I expect the same. I have the TMobile US version and it feels more plastic than rubber coated although I think it is.

stim141 said:
A lot of things interact with rubber coatings - esp hand santizer but the worst is hand cream. Both contain isopropyl alcohol which is a solvent and it will soften paint over time. Other things like brake fluid and other household cleaners are deadly.
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wow, i want to disagree with you on using isopropanol alcohol. I use 70% isopropanol all the time to clean my hd2 for 5 months now. Rubber has never came off one bit!
I even use 100% EtOH to clean my screen and back lens.
my Hd2 looks brand new if you didnt know i had it for 5 months.

There was at least one guy on here that posted the coating was coming off his battery cover, probably a contaminant issue in manufacturing.

thank you guys for your answers!
normaly i don´t care about scratches and stuff, but the point is, that the device is only 3 weeks old and i don´t have any idea where the "damage" is coming from. It is not in the position where i touch it when i sliding the device out of the pocket and the pocket itself don´t touch this point. And chemicals like alcohol (hand sanitizer) or else didn´t come on the device.
I got a HD too and the coating on the back is fully intact (one year of use and mostly without pocket).
Today, im going to replace the whole device in my nearest T-Mobile-Store and im done, i can take it when i happends after serveral month, but not after 3 weeks.
@lemonspeakers
i got an EU HD2 with T-Mobile branded firmware, offical called T-Mobile_LEO when Swype is installed (EnergyRom)with the stockrom it showes "HTC_HD2"
And yes, the device is running on stockrom and spl is also stock again ;-)

How to repair by our self? is it possible?
The last 1 month ago, accidently I do peal off my rubber coating (small pill off) on top right conner due to usage of cheap leather case. God d**m cheap leather case!!
My question is there any way to fix this peal off rubber?
maybe some rubber treatment to make it look original back to the way i bought it.
Thanks

Pliskinius said:
@lemonspeakers
i got an EU HD2 with T-Mobile branded firmware, offical called T-Mobile_LEO when Swype is installed (EnergyRom)with the stockrom it showes "HTC_HD2"
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Thats much more clear. How you stated it before was just very confusing. Hardware wise, its the Euro. Software wise, it's the TMoUS.

what ever it is, i will get a new HD2 tomorrow ... for now i have to use a iPhone (anyoing thing btw) from one of my friends - who has ordered an HD2 ...