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Hi Everyone,
I am having a retard moment. Yesterday I found a document in one of the threads with a Word doc on setting up Direct Push mail. Of course I did not save it because I swore I would remember the thread. Does anyone happen to have the instructions?
I have already updated my phone to the proper ROM.
Thanks
Nevermind. Figured it out.
Wow, so far WM5 makes Blackberry look like a child's toy. Let just hope that M$ will continue support this platform.
Agreed as far as I am concerned push mail with WM5 is the way to go, no need for a BES Server or other application on my desktop to route email.
Is direct push out? Where can I download it? I thought it wouldn't be out until April.
jklny
Not offically there is a Qtek TEST Rom on the FTP that has Push, but you must have a 2003 Exchange Server running SP2 to use it.
marka2k, thanks for the info. We are actually upgrading SP2 this Friday. Thanks!
Would you happen to have the full name of the ROM? Thanks.
ftp://[email protected]/Uploads/RUU_Prodigy_2080701_101_11310_Qtek_WWE_Test.exe
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jklny
Not offically there is a Qtek TEST Rom on the FTP that has Push, but you must have a 2003 Exchange Server running SP2 to use it.
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Wrong ... you may use other servers then Exchange Server 2003. Exchange server has built in push mail. But there exists several other push mail servers that can also do the push. Some of these servers has also client files for WM5.
Einstein
My point (maybe not well said) was in able to use the built in push email of the Qtek TEST ROM you need Exchange 2003 and SP2
Sorry for the confusion
For push mail you need:
1. A mailbox: Microsoft Exchange, Lotus Notes Server, IMAP or POP3
2. A pushmail server: Any server that's SyncML compatible
3. A client software on your mobile: 3rd party software or Qtek new test ROM
I digged a liitle bit into these issues during the past days. I'm going to put up an test system with push mail soon to my Qtek 9100.
Thanks for the link... I'm downloading it now to give a whirl.
Push Email
FYI- I have been using a "push" email system for several years using my XDA II and my office Lotus notes system by using the Mnotes program. In "enterprise" mode, it can be installed on the server, although I'm using my desktop as the server b/c its the easiest to set up.
Only real problem was finding a compatible VPN and I'm using Movian VPN
Cheers
I am using the qtek rom with 4smartphone.net, and the push system is amazing, believe me it takes about 30 seconds from sending a mail to myself and it appearing on my device via push, its that quick
Push mail
Hi Einstein!
I'm interested to exchange information with you about push mail setup etc. My email is vesku ät email piste com (laita mailia). I have Q9100 too.
Regards,
VESKU
Here you can preview server and client view of pushmail:
http://www.htcclub.net/en/toontips.php?ID=10
And here you can read a research where RIM is compared with Windows Mobile messaging
http://www.htcclub.net/en/toonnieuwsartikel.php?ID=111
Here you can preview server and client view of pushmail:
http://www.htcclub.net/en/toontips.php?ID=10
And here you can read a research where RIM is compared with Windows Mobile messaging
http://www.htcclub.net/en/toonnieuwsartikel.php?ID=111
Well, I got 'push' running on the QTek beta ROM. Took a little fidling since not using Exchange Front-End servers and I have SSL and Forms enabled.
See this doc: http://www.petri.co.il/problems_with_forms_based_authentication_and_ssl_in_activesync.htm
Now, I just need to modify the timeouts as recommended by several people. First, I have to find the docs explaing it again.
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ftp://[email protected]/Uploads/RUU_Prodigy_2080701_101_11310_Qtek_WWE_Test.exe
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Hi,
Is it only me who can not download this from the link above?
thanks.
Dexter_1975
dexter_1975 said:
Is it only me who can not download this from the link above?
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And service/server that supports push mail ...
I'm a bit confused. My exchange server is now upgraded to SP2 and I installed the test rom. Mail is coming in but not 'realtime'. I am getting emails which can be 5 to 10 minutes after I receive it on my desktop Outlook. Any ideas why the delay?
Thanks.
I understand the principle behind a corporate exchange connection.
But does anyone know any service providers or 3rd party companies that will be offering a personal service (aka. blackberry personal email).
maybe i'm wrong but i think A2DP was the bluetooth headset profile and the push mail feature is called AKU2.
btw: Happy using MDA Vario with free hosted exchange @ live.mail2web.com
right you are, stupid me !
have changed subject but can't change poll, hopefully people will work this out!
Currently running a XDA2i but hoping to upgrade to the Exec in the near future.
I say I'll be running personal AKU2 but I do have my own Exchange server rather than a 3rd party server.
I've found the info on this site amazing and will post as much info as possible once I bite the bullet and upgrade and have chance to run a full Exchange SP2/WM5 setup.
Push Email
Hi All,
I use personal push email & have a personal exchange account set up with 4smartphone.com where I forward all my gmail & virgin.net emails.
Works great for me!
Regards,
Knight
thanks kinght
I presume your m5000 has the latest rom with AKU2.
Some questions:
1. Do you use xpress, proff or enterprise ?
2. Is there a minimum term
3. Outlook 2003 desktop support is only included with proff or enterprise. Does this mean diary syncronisation ?
4. How do you know an email has arrived, does one of the lights on the m5000 flash ?
thx
Using it Daily with the Exchange at Work, And I nmyself at home run exchange, but that is Alais not possible, limitation of synchronising with only one Exchange Server,
I am extremely happy, and when I want quite I turn off the Push mail for a while...
Perfect
Anyone got any recommendations for push email providers. Or just names to compare.
So far I have tried:
4smartphone.net - good service but not cheap
mail2web.com - good and cheap
any other recommendations ?
colonel said:
Anyone got any recommendations for push email providers. Or just names to compare.
So far I have tried:
4smartphone.net - good service but not cheap
mail2web.com - good and cheap
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From what I've gathered so far, go with one of those two.
or register your own domain and build your own exchange server, works fine
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or register your own domain and build your own exchange server, works fine
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Just like that?
If you would like to have direct push mail from Microsoft on your Universal, it can be done with MS Exchange server SP2
having Echange SP2 on your own (Hosted) server, and building your own certificate on this server (domain) which you later can import on your Universal, you can use Direct Push mail (Https) fron the Universal to your Echange server.
I'm using it,..and the mobile active sync is constantly keeping the GPRS HTTPS connection allive and is syncronising constantly my inbox (agenda, contacts, email and tasks) Not the same as blackberry, but only several seconds delay (depends on gprs network, umts will be faster)
Download the latest rom with the AKU2 feature pack from MS build in, install it on your device and you can use the Direct Push function
adonker said:
If you would like to have direct push mail from Microsoft on your Universal, it can be done with MS Exchange server SP2
having Echange SP2 on your own (Hosted) server, and building your own certificate on this server (domain) which you later can import on your Universal, you can use Direct Push mail (Https) fron the Universal to your Echange server.
I'm using it,..and the mobile active sync is constantly keeping the GPRS HTTPS connection allive and is syncronising constantly my inbox (agenda, contacts, email and tasks) Not the same as blackberry, but only several seconds delay (depends on gprs network, umts will be faster)
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Yes yes, I know all this... but you can get exactly the same thing for four pounds a month with 4smartphone.net and they take care of 90% of the hassle for you. Setting up an exchange server is beyond 95% of people with handhelds. And even then, I may be being charitable.
Even downloading a dodgy copy of Exchange via bittorrent is more hassle than getting 4smartphone.net to host it for you.
adonker said:
If you would like to have direct push mail from Microsoft on your Universal, it can be done with MS Exchange server SP2
having Echange SP2 on your own (Hosted) server, and building your own certificate on this server (domain) which you later can import on your Universal, you can use Direct Push mail (Https) fron the Universal to your Echange server.
I'm using it,..and the mobile active sync is constantly keeping the GPRS HTTPS connection allive and is syncronising constantly my inbox (agenda, contacts, email and tasks) Not the same as blackberry, but only several seconds delay (depends on gprs network, umts will be faster)
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I would rather look for a personal assistant at the cost of your solution
haha,....sorry. Im a system engineer.
I've been using mail2web with my XDA Exec for the last few days and it works really well. Pretty good for a free service!
Been using 4smartphone.net trial for a few days now... My Exec's mail keeps de-syncing with the Exchange server.
I figured that if I MOVE emails between folders a lot, I start getting ActiveSync problems with error code 0x80070008 and I can't sync anymore. After a soft reset, I can sync again, but the folders on my Exec are now out of sync with folders on the Exchange server. i.e. some mails that were moved are now in Inbox of Exchange, whereas they have been moved to another mail folder on my Exec.
Seems too unreliable for me :|
My take on 4smartphone.net is that its a bit more professional then mail2web. It also ensures that emails sent are stamped with the email address you want to use (i.e. the one fwded/pop3ed to 4smartphone).
mail2web is a little more DIY, however the FAQ is good.
Ultimately I have opted to use mail2web as its only $1.99 a month vs $3.99 a month for 4smartphone (also have to keep up my IGN subscription
rgds
I found 4smartphone.net quite reliable.
did you setup manually - ? I did, maybe the autosetup has an issue.
are you syncing over wifi ? this has to be done manually
have 4smartphone.net given any reason why folder moving should case a trouble ?
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have 4smartphone.net given any reason why folder moving should case a trouble ?
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I haven't actually contacted them yet... I've been googling 0x80070008 and found it to be memory related issues on the device. I'm thinking memory leak leading to lack of memory on my device -> ActiveSync dies.
yeah, could be too many things running as well.
I haven't rebooted for 2 weeks now (since the new O2 update) - famous last words !
what is that aku2 thing and can I use push mail on WM2003se? thnx
no. u can use activesync over a GPRS/3G with wm 2003se. look at mail2web.com FAQs.
however this is not push, its periodic activesync.
push email is where your device gets email as soon as its delivered.
this means that you get the email straight away. the technical difference is that push (in WM5) is server driven and not device driven.
I presume you don't have a universal as they are all WM5.
rgds
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the technical difference is that push (in WM5) is server driven and not device driven.
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I have a question: does this mean that you don't pay for the data required to send the e-mail to your device? The one thing that's held me back from diving into push e-mail so far is the worry of going over my data limit (5mb/month on O2 - I can't afford any extra...) and paying too much on my contract.
If MMS messages are free to receive, is it the same for push e-mail messages because the server is initiating the connection? Or do we still have to pay? If you could answer this for me I'd really appreciate it, so thanks in advance
Mach
You'd still have to pay.
thanks for answer colonel. I will look at mail2web.com.
Hi all, im kind of new to this but i just read about push email with exchange server and i was wondering how i could use it with my mda vario. I've already installed an updated rom with push email but i dont know how to use it. can any one fill me in on this? thanks for any help.
You need a Exchange 2003 server with at least SP2 installed. Also a UMTS/GPRS connection because is not working over WIFI.
Bitfrotter 8)
Go to www.mail2web.com, sign up there. Than put the settings from the website in the Exchange Server settings in Active Sync on your PPC. Set your current email address to automatically forward your email to your mail2web email address. Enable GPRS and enable push email from the Comm Manager and bingo, push email is yours.
Ok, ive already signed up with mail2web but i want to automatically retrieve hotmail emails. i don't see an option on hotmail to forward all my emails to mail2web. am i missing something here? sorry, im inexperienced and all and these are probably lame questions and all. but please help me out. after reading that article i got hyped up in doing this. thanks for any replies.
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You need a Exchange 2003 server with at least SP2 installed. Also a UMTS/GPRS connection because is not working over WIFI.
Bitfrotter 8)
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I've gotten DirectPush to work over WiFi... Maybe that was an earlier ROM version though... I don't recall the circumstances under which I got it to work.
MS says that Direct Push does not work over WiFi. WiFi does not allow disconnected connections (in other words, a connection that allows for the data stream to be suspended). If WiFi did it, it would require a continuous connection that would drain the batteries at a very rapid pace.
Setting up Exchange for Direct Push is pretty easy. I set up ours in about 5 minutes.
One of the coolest things you can do with a correctly configured Exchange 2003 system is with the Mobile Admin pack (free download from MS). It allows you to tell the PDA that it needs to "self-destruct" in case the phone is stolen. A remote wipe will do a hard-reset on the phone, deleting all data not stored on an external SD.
I usually get my email on the MDA faster than Outlook on my desktop.
If any Exchange admins are out there, I can post how to set it up if anyone needs help.
exchange/activesync
Yes please!
Hotmail has deleted the possibility of forwarding mail automatically a few years ago in the free version, only Hotmail Plus subscribers can use this option. With gmail however it is still free. So a basic hotmail account will not be able to use Push over Exchange. You can however sign in to MSN Messenger on your device and will then be notified as soon as an email arrives on the hotmail server. This will cost you extra data charges though, since contacts coming online will also result in data transfer to your device.
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MS says that Direct Push does not work over WiFi. WiFi does not allow disconnected connections (in other words, a connection that allows for the data stream to be suspended). If WiFi did it, it would require a continuous connection that would drain the batteries at a very rapid pace.
Setting up Exchange for Direct Push is pretty easy. I set up ours in about 5 minutes.
One of the coolest things you can do with a correctly configured Exchange 2003 system is with the Mobile Admin pack (free download from MS). It allows you to tell the PDA that it needs to "self-destruct" in case the phone is stolen. A remote wipe will do a hard-reset on the phone, deleting all data not stored on an external SD.
I usually get my email on the MDA faster than Outlook on my desktop.
If any Exchange admins are out there, I can post how to set it up if anyone needs help.
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that would be awesome if you know of a tutorial anywhere on this..
so by creating an exchange server as romp said, you can sync any email including hotmail? well that's really a bummer that microsoft disabled forwarding on hotmail. Its mainly my primary email which all my friends/family know. so it would be a miracle if anyone knew how to sync hotmail without subscribing to their hotmail plus.
Well, getting outside emails are a bit more complex. This is usually for a business, but there are plenty of POP-to-Exchange plug ins that would allow getting Hotmail emails. Of course, you would need the Hotmail Plus for the POP.
http://www.slipstick.com/exs/popconnect.htm
My answer was more concerning the Exchange Direct push question, not the hotmail one.
Where I work (yes, I did set up the Exchange system) we have GFI spam filtering and virus filtering (www.gfi.com) and they have a POP2Exchange bridge included. It just checks the account, downloads any POP emails, and drops it in the right mailbox.
Exchange is a complete system, not just mail. It has webmail, Windows Mobile direct push, calendar, contacts, and more. Unless you are in a company with Exchange or Small Business Server, its not a cheap thing to do for a home network.
If you DO have Exchange at your office, run to the IT guy and hurt him until he sets your phone up on it. Its all the functionality of Blackberry and more, built into Exchange.
I'll write that tutorial, g0nk.
ok so if we go the mail2web route... i dont need to install exchange 2003 on a pc myself? does it only work on windows server 2003?
im interested in doing this at my job but i want to make sure it is not too difficult
edit.. well we have our own domain email addresses so the [email protected] is not an option..
any suggestions?
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Exchange is a complete system, not just mail. It has webmail, Windows Mobile direct push, calendar, contacts, and more.
If you DO have Exchange at your office, run to the IT guy and hurt him until he sets your phone up on it. Its all the functionality of Blackberry and more, built into Exchange.
I'll write that tutorial, g0nk.
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1) Agreed
2) I am the IT guy and it don't work on our server - the rootcertificate won't install to the PPC - an MS acknowledged problem............
3) Please forward ASAP !! Thanks !! :lol:
Is it a self published cert? Because you CAN get any externally issued cert to work just fine. We use a $15 GoDaddy cert with no problems.
The big screw up most people have with the cert (myself included) is that the cert is not correctly installed, even though it says it is.
Cheaper certs are called "Chained" certs. All certs need a path back to one of the big cert companies. So, companies like GoDaddy get approved to be second level cert issuers. IE on the PC will look at the cert and track it back to the main cert issuer. For example, the cert on GoDaddy goes from GoDaddy, to Starfield, to VeriCert. The VeriCert certificate is installed on all PCs.
Anyway, the problem is that the PC can follow an undefined cert path, the PPC can't. If you install the cert on the server, IE on the PC can figure out the whole path, PPC can't. So, the big thing is to make sure the MIDDLE CERTS are installed on the server. Even though everything seems fine, chances are that the middle ones are not (in this case STARFIELD)
The easiest way to find out if the cert is valid or not is try to get to your webmail on PIE. If you get a message about the cert, your server is not set up completely.
For my server, I had no luck until I found the Intermediary Cert and installed it. https://certificates.starfieldtech.com/Repository.go
Once that was done, my GoDaddy cert worked on the PPC and syncs went perfectly. Once the server has all the certs in the cert path installed, the PPC can validate each level. Until then, its clueless. Most people think you need to install the cert on the PPC. Its the server that needs it.
Does the self published cert only cause problems with direct push? I've got the "old" polling method working. I created a root CA on my server to sign the cert created for the web server and then turned that root CA into a CAB which was installed on the PPC. I should say that my phone doesn't have an AKU 2.xx rom on yet so I've not tested push mail.
This is all outlined in the following doc :
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/mobile/deploy/msfpdepguide.mspx
Also look at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/817379 if you are running a non sbs2003 exchange server in a configuration that doesn't have a front end/back end exchange server configuration. As there are some minor tweeks needed to the registry and to the default web server setup.
If you can do a remote Activesync, then DirectPush will work just fine.
A newbie Direct Push question:
I upgraded my 8125 ROM to the official Cingular June 19 version, and direct push SEEMS to be working great my my Hosted Exchange provider. When new email comes in to my Exchange server and/or a task / calendar / contact is changed on the desktop Outlook client, those get pushed quickly to the 8125.
Problem is, it doesn't seem to work in reverse. For example, IF I get an email pushed to me on my PDA, I read it and delete it on my PDA.....that deletion action is NOT getting syncronized back to my Exchange server. Is that by design, or is indeed something wrong?
Thanks in advance!
not sure if it helps, but you can change when pocket outlook deletes mail, there are 3 options:
on connect/disconnect
immediately
manually
I dunno if changing that will help you at all, but its in the pocket outlook options.
I'll shut up now, in case I misunderstood
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not sure if it helps, but you can change when pocket outlook deletes mail, there are 3 options:
on connect/disconnect
immediately
manually
I dunno if changing that will help you at all, but its in the pocket outlook options.
I'll shut up now, in case I misunderstood
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I appreciate your reply, but my question is beyond that......it centers around Driect Push.....my thinking is, regardless of that setting you referred to, once the email is deleted on the PDA, the PDA should "reverse-push" that deletion to the Exchange server, and mine does not seem to be doing that.
I hope that is a little clearer?
No, his answer was right. The reverse of the Push is not the same. You have to set the options as Jmel suggested. Its basically to save data.
This allows you to go through your mail, delete all your spam and crap, then update the server. Doing so immediately would be a waste. Recieving/sending emails is considered vital, deleting them...not so much.
Sorry guys, I have never used Push Mail before, but I have been reading about them and apparently getting myself more confused. I know that it's a way of getting your email constantly from a server so you don't have to keep pressing send/receive button(Pull).
Does Dopod 900 support Push Mail as well? How about XDA IIs? I looked at all the activesync, and they all looked the same to me. All of them support Exchange servers. How could I differentiate whether a PDA support Push Mail? Is it hardware base? or it's purely Software? What is it to look for in a PDA whether a system supports Push Mail?
Thanks in advance guys
Whether a PDa supports push mail depends on the version of WM5 it has. As I understand it, the version of WM5 has to include the MS AKU 2. That enabled push mail, provided that your email server supports it - it needed Exchange Server 2k3 and SP2. Note that there are some publicly available push email servers
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Whether a PDa supports push mail depends on the version of WM5 it has. As I understand it, the version of WM5 has to include the MS AKU 2. That enabled push mail, provided that your email server supports it - it needed Exchange Server 2k3 and SP2. Note that there are some publicly available push email servers
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How does it relate to Blackberry Client?
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How does it relate to Blackberry Client?
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Blackberry is completely separate and is also supported (as I understand it) on the Advantage - it is supplied with the Ameo
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Blackberry is completely separate and is also supported (as I understand it) on the Advantage - it is supplied with the Ameo
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Ok This push technology or BlackBerry, does it mean that your U1000 GPRS must be turned on continously?
I was also wondering whether as a personal user without corporate resources I could have this. I just simply configure my pocket PC the old ways. I'm using a telephone company's free email account that was with me for many years.
Then, to my surprise, the microsoft voice command started speaking to me that I have mail coming in while the unit was left alone. I no longer need to get in to press the send/receive button in order to get my mail. It just comes to be automatically - no tehcnial complexity to think about.
There are some free push email services around - google them.
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Whether a PDa supports push mail depends on the version of WM5 it has. As I understand it, the version of WM5 has to include the MS AKU 2. That enabled push mail, provided that your email server supports it - it needed Exchange Server 2k3 and SP2. Note that there are some publicly available push email servers
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Hope i am not hijacking this thread but after searching the Forums without success... can anyone please help on why i cannot receive yahoomail on my Ameo running WM5? when i click "send / recieve" i get the following in the status bar
1. connecting
2. logging on
3. recieving headers.
then an error message " Messages cannot be downloaded to your moile device, check your connection settings " and a second message " message cannot be sent, check server settings and try again"
thing is the same settings work on both my Universal running WM5 and TYTN II running WM 6.
thanks...
Well, I finally bought Blackberry Curve 8320 for my push email purposes. And it's great. I only need to pay $20/month fee with unlimited data for send and receive email as well as Browsing internet using APN Blackberry.
Now the question is can I do the same with Blackberry Connect? Or blackberry connect only supports the email but not the browsing capability?
Anyone actually notices the difference between Blackberry Connect and Blackberry Curve 8320?
Thanks in advance,